BobbyLayne
Footballguy
We've heard similar comments from Broncos, Chiefs and Lions fans. Seems to be a trend. He must be the luckiest WR around with how often guys trip over the own feet or get out of position.
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WR Stefon Diggs, NE (1 Viewer)
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Buck Bradcanon
Footballguy
He started his cut/move a half second before he caught the ball. The move to get free was glorious and is Diggs in a nutshell.
tone1oc
Footballguy
The ease at which he turns around (good) NFL corners is so obvious. After watching the SSND cut up of the Denver game I was completely sold. The ability to do that isn't really teachable or learnable IMO, and certainly not lucky.
Biabreakable
Footballguy
I do think Corey Fuller played well against Diggs. Could be useful to try to look at how Fuller played Diggs differently than other corners have thus far.
As far as Diggs's big catch I am pretty sure that came against the nickle corner not Fuller or Porter. Was it McManis covering on that one?
As far as Diggs's big catch I am pretty sure that came against the nickle corner not Fuller or Porter. Was it McManis covering on that one?
Biabreakable
Footballguy
Diggs said in the post game interview that Teddy led him that way into the cut.
tone1oc
Footballguy
I didn't get a chance to catch too much of the game.. But he did seem to be held in check until later on, was Fuller getting physical at the line? I know that was (is?) a concern of Diggs, his ability to beat press and be physical at the point of attack.
Raiderfan32904
Footballguy
Love how this hype train is blowing up. Dynasty value is skyrocketing. Hope you all got in on the ground floor. Choo Choo!
Sabertooth
Footballguy
I already sold. Gave Diggs and Christine Michael for Mike Evans. That said, he looks legit and who knows, maybe I'll live to regret selling low on him.
BobbyLayne
Footballguy
I'm not going to pretend I understand the subtlety and nuance at the NFL level that escapes virtually every casual fan, but I've read comments that there are aspects to his route running which really set him apart. Like (paraphrasing) "anybody can go down 12 steps, take one to the inside and then snap it off to the outside. Diggs does it so convincingly and absolutely sells it, that by the time the DB realizes he just misread him Diggs already has 6-8 feet of separation."
It's not measurables. He's fast but not a burner. He's quick and his cuts are superb but it doesn't show up as an elite shuttle time. But this kid gets the nuances of playing wideout on a level that usually takes years to acquire.
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Biabreakable
Footballguy
I am going to have to go back and watch the game as well. Been swamped and haven't had the opportunity yet. I will do that in a day or so when I get a chance. Cant do it today.
VaTerp
Footballguy
Yeah, he has an innate sense of timing on when to make breaks in his routes. That combined with his ability to get in and out of cuts at seemingly full speed makes him a really tough cover.
People talk about RBs being instinctive runners with vision, patience, and timing. Diggs seems to be similarly instinctive as a route runner. And then adds in the factor of being pretty dynamic with the ball in his hands after the catch as well.
JFS171
Footballguy
That's what sold me as well. The fact that he was doing that to Talib, Harris, and Roby (a group no WR has dominated this year) was really, really eye opening. As to his build, we've seen this trend in the NFL. You don't have to be built like Calvin or Julio or Demaryius anymore to be a legit WR1. Antonio Brown, OBJ, Cobb, etc. have found ways to dominate without imposing size.
SameSongNDance
Footballguy
I just re-watched his snaps, he 100% hurt his left knee (buckled under him a little oddly as he went to the ground) on his 20 yard grab which means he scored his 40 yard TD on said bum knee. Again, I'm not overly concerned but I wouldn't be surprised if he missed some practice time this week.
comfortably numb
Footballguy
Has he been fitted for his gold jacket yet?
The internet is gonna break this weekend
Gurley vs Diggs
The internet is gonna break this weekend
Gurley vs Diggs
BobbyLayne
Footballguy
tone1oc
Footballguy
I get what you are saying, but being a wet blanket is no fun.
I was ready to fit OBJ with a gold jacket around this time last year
BobbyLayne
Footballguy
I am honestly amazed, year in and year out, at the pain tolerance of the average NFL player. Pretty much everyone is banged up at one point or another during a season. It is a violent game played at high speeds. But these guys get treatment and just push through it.
Think about how many times you see a Megatron or Marshall or ADP limp off and it's oh #### no please don't be hurt and next thing you know they're back out there making a play. Or they're limited all week but come Sunday they're getting it done.
It's fashionable to be nonchalant and cynical about the NFL, but I really am in awe of how quickly these guys recover.
The HC didn't seem to think it was a big deal yesterday, but he definitely tweaked something. Limited practice would be a good thing IMO.
Buck Bradcanon
Footballguy
Don't want to jinx anything but Min hosts NYG in week 16 when all you boys get to the SB. Brees and co had a decent day against them yesterday.
comfortably numb
Footballguy
Yep.
I think it was Boomer on the morning show I once heard say that each game is like being in a violent car accident.
JFS171
Footballguy
flapgreen
Footballguy
Said I'm not taking anything away from him. He's a great young receiver and a must start. Just saying what I saw while watching the game.
flapgreen
Footballguy
Didn't say that. He's a great receiver, probably best rookie behind Cooper. I mean that he's going to have some games where he doesn't produce much. It's typical for a younger guy. Teddy was having a terrible day and Diggs got one late.
BobbyLayne
Footballguy
Yeah early on, nothing was working except dumps to the tight end and screens to the FB. Think he had one catch in his first five targets. Wallace was a ghost.
But they just kept feeding him. 12 targets. He's averaging 10 a game, and he's solidly entrenched as a FF WR2.
At present he's not in an offense that can support a WR1. This is not Jeffry, OBJ, AB, AJG, healthy Dez or Julio getting 14-20 targets in his big blowup games. We're not seeing 30-45 point explosions, and in the next month (4 of 5 tough match ups up next) he'll throw up a clunker or two.
But for a guy we basically got for free, he's pretty good.
shadyridr
Footballguy
not saying the giants are good but injuries had a lot to do with that yesterday. No prince amakamura. Also JPP is coming back soon.
VaTerp
Footballguy
NIce overall read referencing Diggs' attention to detail among other things. As I mentioned back on page 2, I LOVE everything about this kid. Just hope he stays healthy b/c the hype is warranted. Special player.
http://bleacherreport.com/articles/2585479-rising-nfl-star-stefon-diggs-is-all-about-the-details?utm_source=dlvr.it&utm_medium=twitter
On his week 7 highlight reel stretch out TD:
“A lot of people are calling that an overthrow, but it wasn’t, and I blame that on myself,” Diggs recently told Bleacher Report during a phone conversation.
“I had a double move, and I didn’t burst out of my cut,” he said. “I turned my head and looked right away, and typically in practice when we run it, I burst and try to pick up speed before looking for the ball. But because I looked so fast, I had to pick up speed and catch up to the ball.”
“As soon as I put my foot in the ground and I passed the defensive back, I should have ran three or four steps before looking for the ball,” he added.“That’s one of the little things I’ve learned, because it’ll be easier. Naturally when you turn your head for a ball, your body slows down. On tape you can see my body speeds up, but that split second that I did slow down could have cost me heavily, and it could have been a wasted play.”
http://bleacherreport.com/articles/2585479-rising-nfl-star-stefon-diggs-is-all-about-the-details?utm_source=dlvr.it&utm_medium=twitter
On his week 7 highlight reel stretch out TD:
“A lot of people are calling that an overthrow, but it wasn’t, and I blame that on myself,” Diggs recently told Bleacher Report during a phone conversation.
“I had a double move, and I didn’t burst out of my cut,” he said. “I turned my head and looked right away, and typically in practice when we run it, I burst and try to pick up speed before looking for the ball. But because I looked so fast, I had to pick up speed and catch up to the ball.”
“As soon as I put my foot in the ground and I passed the defensive back, I should have ran three or four steps before looking for the ball,” he added.“That’s one of the little things I’ve learned, because it’ll be easier. Naturally when you turn your head for a ball, your body slows down. On tape you can see my body speeds up, but that split second that I did slow down could have cost me heavily, and it could have been a wasted play.”
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Ditka Butkus
Footballguy
If you target 1 receiver 10 times a game he is bound to put up decent numbers.
mquinnjr
Footballguy
Sig alluded in the Week 8 recap podcast to the fact that you weren't seeing coverage rolled away from Wallace to Diggs yet, and it's a great point. There's enough of a sample + tape on Diggs at this point for teams to not only notice but game plan for his presence on the field going forward.
Of course you want the good times to continue to roll as an owner, but how he handles any extra attention will be the test in the upcoming weeks for sure. I think I'm at temper expectations slightly, but keep in your lineup definitely as we move ahead here and see how it unfolds.
BobbyLayne
Footballguy
Jordan Matthews and Mike Evans are doing very little with their 9 per game. But yeah, I think most recognize volume as a prereq to production.
BobbyLayne
Footballguy
Very good point. Denver used their 3rd corner to cover Diggs, the Bears often used McManis (nickel back). And as I have mentioned several times, the next month the pass defenses will be better than the 4 he has faced so far.
tone1oc
Footballguy
Not sure what your point is here? Of course a WR will need targets to put up (at least) decent numbers.
Does the umpteen targets Alshon gets per week make him good, or does he get those targets because he is good? I'd argue the latter for both
tone1oc
Footballguy
BobbyLayne
Footballguy
Correct, complete whiff.
Debuted at 135 in PPR after the Chiefs game (3 weeks after Denver game.) Bumped him 80 slots after he torched Detroit.
BobbyLayne
Footballguy
The FBGs staff also whiffed on Jordan Reed before the Bucs game. TE20.
Interseptopus
Footballguy
FBG staff is not what it used to be
Sigs too busy leading the circle jerk over cmike
Sigs too busy leading the circle jerk over cmike
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BobbyLayne
Footballguy
Full disclosure: I'm a bit miffed at FBGs over the Forsett injury. In reality it was a NBD thing - didn't cost me, just didn't like the way it was handled.
Dr Jene Bremel looked at a still photo of Forsett's sprained ankle right after it happened and decided "see where his hand is? way above the ankle. classic reaction to a HAS." Every single FF site said he was getting treatment, the coach speak is positive, if he's limited on Friday, roll with him. Everyone in the FF universe. Except FBGs. Stuck to Dr. Jene's call - didn't matter what was being tweeted and reported Sunday a.m., it's a late starting game, you're gonna need other options. My other options were AA and Duke. Cost me 10 points.
NBD, but it could have been. I don't make the same mistake twice.
Back on topic, most of the FF world was slow on Diggs. I get that, most people have a broad target audience and it's like teaching in public schools. Teach to the middle. Information for the masses. There was a time when FBGs differentiated themselves from other sites with insight and information. Was.
Thankfully the SP is still a good source of info.
Dr Jene Bremel looked at a still photo of Forsett's sprained ankle right after it happened and decided "see where his hand is? way above the ankle. classic reaction to a HAS." Every single FF site said he was getting treatment, the coach speak is positive, if he's limited on Friday, roll with him. Everyone in the FF universe. Except FBGs. Stuck to Dr. Jene's call - didn't matter what was being tweeted and reported Sunday a.m., it's a late starting game, you're gonna need other options. My other options were AA and Duke. Cost me 10 points.
NBD, but it could have been. I don't make the same mistake twice.
Back on topic, most of the FF world was slow on Diggs. I get that, most people have a broad target audience and it's like teaching in public schools. Teach to the middle. Information for the masses. There was a time when FBGs differentiated themselves from other sites with insight and information. Was.
Thankfully the SP is still a good source of info.
BobbyLayne
Footballguy
How much longer will Rivers play? What is the L.A. Chargers offense going to look like in a few years? Hard to say.
How much longer will ADP play? IIRC this is the last year at an open air facility. Next year they'll be at U.S. Bank & it would make sense to focus on a volume passing attack if you're a dome team. Not too many Todd Gurley's out there these days. Is TB capable of being the man in a volume passing offense?
In dynasty, it shouldn't matter if it was yesterday, today, or tomorrow.
The answer is Allen, 100% of the time.
The Gator
Footballguy
shadyridr
Footballguy
so did you
BobbyLayne
Footballguy
That's right. I told you to wait a week, Bucs shut down Olsen & Julius.
Good call.
I think you're wrong. Diggs is something special. Not saying Allen isnt, but Diggs is a star in this league and will be for a long time. The comparisons Wallace made to Antonio Brown opened my eyes. Watching him since, I believe it
Interseptopus
Footballguy
depends what your RBs are. Starting slots are. I prob would
