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WR Stefon Diggs, NE (2 Viewers)

killface said:
Not many qb's are afforded the excuses Bradford has had over his career....
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I don't know about that. There have been "franchise QBs" that have bounced around the league for long careers (Jeff George, Jay Cutler, others).

The excuses may change, but the results are similar.

 
Dizzy said:
I don't know about that. There have been "franchise QBs" that have bounced around the league for long careers (Jeff George, Jay Cutler, others).

The excuses may change, but the results are similar.
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Those are good examples but what is this the 4th first round pick bradford has cost a team?  That's a lot given he has shown nothing...

 
Dr. Brew said:
why even bother. you have your Homer glasses on so thick they make coke bottle glasses look trendy. 

how many excuses can you make for the guy
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As many as there are incorrect assertions. Comparing number of times blitzed per dropback is meaningless because not all QBs face the same defensive schemes. 

I wish Bradford was better, but he's not underperforming for the reasons people are giving.

 
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Andy Dufresne said:
I wish Bradford was better, but he's not underperforming for the reasons people are giving.
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my reason is he's just not that good. I think his years getting sacked over and over have made him play "scared" and that style continues today. you can't be a good qb if you're rushing through your progressions and running around all over the place. 

I don't think he'd a qb who can win you a championship. but then again I felt the same about Trent Dilfer.   

 
Any thoughts on this weekend's coming match up? I looked at Trembly's early projections and he has Thielen projected for almost double what Diggs is projected for in a PPR and projecting for only 3 catches. I know JAX isnt a great matchup (but not poor either)  for opposing WR but it isnt that they have a shut down corner that will limit Diggs. Seems like a really low projection for a guy that has 96 targets over 10 games this year.

Any issues that I am unaware of?

 
HULLOBUDMAN said:
Any thoughts on this weekend's coming match up? I looked at Trembly's early projections and he has Thielen projected for almost double what Diggs is projected for in a PPR and projecting for only 3 catches. I know JAX isnt a great matchup (but not poor either)  for opposing WR but it isnt that they have a shut down corner that will limit Diggs. Seems like a really low projection for a guy that has 96 targets over 10 games this year.

Any issues that I am unaware of?
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I assume it would be to do with the presence of Jalen Ramsey.

 
Hard to say. Ramsey's talent is undeniable but I dont believe he has reached that type of status quite yet, nor do I know if he follows the other team's #1 WR. I'm not sure where to pull that type of stat though.

 
HULLOBUDMAN said:
Hard to say. Ramsey's talent is undeniable but I dont believe he has reached that type of status quite yet, nor do I know if he follows the other team's #1 WR. I'm not sure where to pull that type of stat though.
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I don't have the stats on hand but I'm pretty sure Ramsey has been very stingy on #1 WRs this year. It's certainly something to think about with Diggs, but many (including me) won't have better options probably.

 
Much respect to Ramsey and the Jaguars for improving their defense.

I don't think they present a worse match up than the Cardinals who put Peterson on Diggs for most of the game however. Diggs had 7 targets 6 receptions 37 yards two games ago in that situation. Peterson kept Diggs from gaining YAC

I am not sure if he has been fully healthy, but healthy enough to play.

He was not listed as limited or out of practice today

Missing Tuesday was safety Harrison Smith, who left Thursday’s game on crutches, his left foot in a walking boot. He had been bothered in recent weeks by an ankle injury.

Also not practicing were defensive tackle Sharrif Floyd (knee) and linebacker Edmond Robinson (undisclosed injury). Returning after sitting out against the Cowboys were center Joe Berger (concussion) and cornerbacks Marcus Sherels (rib) and Mackensie Alexander (groin).

Sherels, the Vikings’ punt returner, fractured a rib Nov. 20 against Arizona that has forced him to miss the past two games. Overall, injuries have kept Sherels out of four of the past six games, at great cost to the Vikings’ special teams.
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Ramsey hasn't been Deion 2.0, teams have just found easier sledding elsewhere.  

Starting with confidence.  Checkdown Sammy can easily feed our hero for 8 catches for 60 yards or whatever.  

 
massraider said:
Ramsey hasn't been Deion 2.0, teams have just found easier sledding elsewhere.  

Starting with confidence.  Checkdown Sammy can easily feed our hero for 8 catches for 60 yards or whatever.  
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That is the way I see it. I saw him ranked so low I thought he was still injured or something. 

 
I am considering benching him in favor of Malcolm Mitchell. Diggs likely won't go off for 20+ fantasy points, which means we are looking at trying to eek out 10+. Against a Jaguars passing defense that allows the second fewest passing yards a game all season (196). 

I'd actually consider this a great game to start Rudolph. 

 
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Dr. Brew said:
I am considering benching him in favor of Malcom Mitchell. Diggs likely won't go off for 20+ fantasy points, which means we are looking at trying to eek out 10+. Against a Jaguars passing defense that allows the second fewest passing yards a game all season (196). 

I'd actually consider this a great game to start Rudolph. 
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One thing concerns be about Mitchell. Brady. He can sling the ball to numerous targets and avoid Mitchell all together. Still seems early. Especially the playoffs. 

 
Denver724 said:
One thing concerns be about Mitchell. Brady. He can sling the ball to numerous targets and avoid Mitchell all together. Still seems early. Especially the playoffs. 
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That's the one thing that doesn't concern me. I'd rather trust Brady to give him the ball than Sam Bradford to get the ball to Diggs. The last two weeks either of those WRs played, Mitchell is averaging more targets. Yes, small sample size but Gronk just recently got hurt, thrusting Mitchell into the role he is in now so it's rather unfair to compare season stats (and now Amendola is hurt too). 

I just have a bad feeling about Diggs this week. I think it screams one of his 4/50 games. I think that's Mitchell's floor.

Not to mention Dallas showed how you can contain Diggs. Let Bradford dump down to him and keep him from getting YAC. I think that cat's out of the bag

 
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Listed as a limited participant in practice today due to his knee

Status is now questionable for this week. Not sure there is anything to see here, but something to note none the less

 
He's a middling WR2 most weeks due to D&D.  

Hard to roll the dice on him today. 

Odds of him scoring 20 for you are low, but the reward is there if you hit it.

 
26. MIN - Full practice for WR Stefon Diggs

Source: Vikings.com

Minnesota Vikings WR Stefon Diggs (knee) fully participated in practice Thursday, Dec. 15.

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While we expect a better showing from the Vikings passing offense, Diggs has been supplanted in that offense by Adam Thielen. Diggs gets solid amounts of catches but they don't add up to enough yards to be more than a WR5.

why I still read these is anyone's guess... just a jokam I missing something? should I be considering benching him vs the 26th ranked passing d

 
Dr. Brew said:
26. MIN - Full practice for WR Stefon Diggs

Source: Vikings.com

Minnesota Vikings WR Stefon Diggs (knee) fully participated in practice Thursday, Dec. 15.

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While we expect a better showing from the Vikings passing offense, Diggs has been supplanted in that offense by Adam Thielen. Diggs gets solid amounts of catches but they don't add up to enough yards to be more than a WR5.

why I still read these is anyone's guess... just a jokam I missing something? should I be considering benching him vs the 26th ranked passing d
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FBG view is that there are 48 WR better than him?

Ha

 
I am benching him in most of my leagues, but I started Rawls everywhere last night thinking he would do something. So Digss will probably put up 20+.

 
massraider said:
FBG view is that there are 48 WR better than him?

Ha
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Exactly. I have Diggs as a high end WR2 this week. Potential for volume is huge... Indy can score a lot of points, they have a terrible passing defense, and MIN has no rushing attack. 

His recent bad games have come against some stout passing defenses:
Arizona
Dallas - decent passing D... he had a pretty okay game this week with a lot of volume
Jacksonville

Recent opponents that are ranked close to Indy:
Detroit, 13/80
Washington, 13/164

I would think Diggs is in line for at least 8 receptions this week. His YPC has been pretty low so maybe 70 yards. Potential for a score. I'll take 8/70 easily. It would equal what Baldwin did for my opponent this week at least. Diggs is my WR3... so I think I could do a lot worse (Mitchell) 

 

 
Lots of tough choices with Diggs this week. Looks like he is a full go. Really considering starting him over Dez. Also considering starting him over Gabriel and Hill. Those two guys seem big play dependent. Diggs, at full go, is a PPR machine. And starting in the slot against the Colts keeps him away from Vonte Davis. 

Thoughts anyone? 

 
mr roboto said:
I'd be more worried about the targets Theilen gets. 
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Why?

Diggs and Thielen both had 5 targets in the most recent game but generally Diggs gets more targets.

Targets for both WR over the last 5 weeks:

Diggs

14

15

7

8

5

Thielen

4

5

11

9

5

Adam Thielen had more targets than Diggs 3 weeks ago against the Lions and also against Dallas, so two times out of the last 3 games.

Over the last 5 games Diggs has 53 targets (10.6 per game) Adam Thielen has 34 targets (6.8 per game)

 
Biabreakable said:
Why?

Diggs and Thielen both had 5 targets in the most recent game but generally Diggs gets more targets.

Targets for both WR over the last 5 weeks:

Diggs

14

15

7

8

5

Thielen

4

5

11

9

5

Adam Thielen had more targets than Diggs 3 weeks ago against the Lions and also against Dallas, so two times out of the last 3 games.

Over the last 5 games Diggs has 53 targets (10.6 per game) Adam Thielen has 34 targets (6.8 per game)
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I am not sure these stats tell the whole story. the Vikings offense has dramatically changed over the last 3-4 weeks. for whatever reason. Maybe the poor OL play. or maybe how defenses are scheming against diggs. 

imo, what is most telling is before week 11 Diggs was averaging 8 targets a game, Thielen avg 5 targets.

since week 11 Diggs is avg 6.6, Thielen 7.5 targets

Granted one game Diggs was hurt but to go from 5 targets a game to 7.5, and to drop from 8 to 6.6 is quite significant and nothing to shrug off. they've almost completely swapped targets

 
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Stats never tell the whole story.

Mr Roboto was talking specifically about targets. Adam Thielen did have more targets than Diggs against Detroit and Dallas which are two recent games for the Vikings. I just don't think this means there has been a changing in the guard as far as who will be the most targeted WR for the Vikings most weeks, including this week.

 
Dr. Brew said:
I am not sure these stats tell the whole story. the Vikings offense has dramatically changed over the last 3-4 weeks. for whatever reason. Maybe the poor OL play. or maybe how defenses are scheming against diggs. 

imo, what is most telling is before week 11 Diggs was averaging 8 targets a game, Thielen avg 5 targets.

since week 11 Diggs is avg 6.6, Thielen 7.5 targets

Granted one game Diggs was hurt but to go from 5 targets a game to 7.5, and to drop from 8 to 6.6 is quite significant and nothing to shrug off. they've almost completely swapped targets
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I've mentioned earlier in this thread that Diggs has tended to under-achieve this year when he wasn't able to put in any full practices leading up to the game. However, in weeks where he has had full practices (2 this past week) he has blown up. I'm not necessarily banking on anything, but the analytics side of me sees a trend here.

 
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tricky92 said:
I've mentioned earlier in this thread that Diggs has tended to under-achieve this year when he wasn't able to put in any full practices leading up to the game. However, in weeks where he has had full practices (2 this past week) he has blown up. I'm not necessarily banking on anything, but the analytics side of me sees a trend here.
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me too. still concerned and considering a much higher ceiling in Gabriel 

 
knowing me I'll bench Diggs and he'll go off for 8/130/1 and Gabriel will miss out on a td and go 4/50.

I'll be back and forth with this several times

 
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