JackReacher
Footballguy
Love Hill and have him on a couple teams, but can't argue with the way Reid is calling plays this year.
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WR Tyreek Hill, MIA (3 Viewers)
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Hankmoody
Footballguy
No, but it's not too far off, especially in a return yard league. OBJ and Hopkins still gotta be up there, but he's in the next tier with Green, Julio, Thomas, and Nelson. It'll depend on what you value - reliability vs. upside vs. proven vs. longevity vs. floor vs. vs. vs. That puts him firmly in the top 10 and at this point he definitely belongs there. His usage is still a bit light - he's only got 8.2 uses per game, that needs to be over 10. But give him 25% more rushes/targets and the points that go with them and yeah, he gets into that tier.
Milkman
Footballguy
Hot Sauce Guy
Footballguy
7 targets for Hill is like 17 targets for Kelce though. If Hill gets behind the defense by 1 step he’s gone.
Kelce is a chain mover. Hill could have 5 TD & 200+ yards with 5 catches.
Stompin' Tom Connors
Footballguy
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Don’t be greedy or look a gift horse in the mouth, as they say.
Don’t be greedy or look a gift horse in the mouth, as they say.
Chaka
Footballguy
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Stompin' Tom Connors
Footballguy
How crazy is this going off every-other-game trend getting?
Tonight was forecasted to be a slow night - here’s to that not costing people too many games; and here’s to Hill going off next week to help us all win Week 9!
Tonight was forecasted to be a slow night - here’s to that not costing people too many games; and here’s to Hill going off next week to help us all win Week 9!
skol asylum
Footballguy
I have Hill and Kelce on my dynasty squad. As long as they don't both tank in the same week I'm pretty happy. Wish I had Hunt too.
I barely squeaked by this week with Hill's non-involvement.
Milkman
Footballguy
Tyreek is used just like Cooks. It's super frustrating because they are both all world talents but they are just ignored to much for long stretches to be consistent enough. Tyreek has another thing working against him. His name is Alex Smith. The guy cost Tyreek at least another 5-6 points with his terrible placement last night.
Like I said earlier in this thread and was laughed at, his targets need to go way up for him to be in that top tier of WR. He has the talent. They aren't there yet and it looks like they aren't coming either. At least not this year.
Like I said earlier in this thread and was laughed at, his targets need to go way up for him to be in that top tier of WR. He has the talent. They aren't there yet and it looks like they aren't coming either. At least not this year.
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Kwai Chang Caine
Footballguy
-2 for the interception. Lost by 1.9. Un-#######-real.
NeverEnough
Footballguy
I gotta get off this roller coaster & trade Hill. What's his value in dynasty PPR, though? I wonder if I can get AJ Green for him
I agree and I said the same last week. Love tyreek. But he’s not involved enough. And the one week on one week off thing is really frustrating. Won me my matchup 2 weeks ago, cost me my matchup yesterday. I don’t know why I expected different than this when I drafted him this year. I was expecting him to be more consistently the focal pt of the offense. Butthe way this offense is built it seems like no one other than smith and hunt are every week focal pts in the game plan. Even Kelce, although to a lesser degree, is phased out of the game plan sometimes. It seems rare when both Kelce and tyreek go off in the same week. It’s one or the other. So when I saw Kelce balling out early last night, plus the early defensive td, I knew I was doomed with tyreek.
The Jacket
Footballguy
The best hope for Hill is that Mahomes starts next year. Anyone who expected the Chiefs to be able to support a true #1 WR w/ Smiff at QB really were kinda clueless. He is a SPECIAL talent, but he was never, ever going to get the volume most top guys get, and you can only break so many big TDs. Like last night, he EARNED a big TD when he completely smoked Chris Harris, but Smiff whiffed (he overthrew him because he's still scared of making mistakes).
Stompin' Tom Connors
Footballguy
They normally don't tank in the same week (that is, history so far this year); the other side of that is that also rarely explode at the same time. Here are their performances based on fantasy points scored based on my league's scoring (PPR, return yds).cap'n grunge said:
HILL KELCE
WEEK 1 27.7 7.73
WEEK 2 7.83 24.63
WEEK 3 18.66 0.77
WEEK 4 6.83 25.06
WEEK 5 18.96 15.13
WEEK 6 8.13 6.36
WEEK 7 26.63 11.96
WEEK 8 3.63 26.96
PPG AVG 14.80 14.83
It seems fairly intuitive that where Hill is not hitting, has harder coverage, not getting the right matchups, etc. that the looks/opportunity naturally shifts to Kelce, and vice-versa.
There have been two games where both scored decently -- Week 5 against HOU and Week 7 against OAK -- with the commonality that both these games were close high-scoring affairs (defined as >60 points scored).
There was one game, Week 6 against PIT, that was generally below expectations. This was a low scoring game by both teams, and more of a defensive effort.
Take that for what it all may mean, if anything.
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psychobillies
Footballguy
He's the #3 WR in one of my leagues (bonus TD distance) and #5 in another. I'm ok with that from my 4th round pick.
barackdhouse
Footballguy
He is #3 in my main redraft. I have to chalk last week to the Denver D. Otherwise yes the roller coaster has been tough. But if he's active he is starting for me. Even Julio and ABrown have had ####ty games the last couple years.
chad in Indy
Footballguy
Not to defend Smith, but I thought he looked to just be having an all around bad game. He missed throws all night long....behind receivers, high, etc. - as opposed to being scared to make a mistake. moot point bc the result is the same. just not enough targets for Hill.The Jacket said:
I have been really disappointed that Hill has been nonexistent in the run game. I hoped his wild variance in a Smith-led offense could be balanced by a 3-4 carries per game. However, every jet sweep is a fake to Hill.
Chaka
Footballguy
I am having trouble understanding the complaints about Hill. Where was he drafted and where is he ranked in your leagues that he is considered a disappointment?
I drafted him at 6.03 in my 12 team, PPR, super-flex, redraft that combines WR&TE. He was the 23rd WR/TE off the board and he is currently ranked as the #12 WR/TE (PPG).
I'm thrilled with his production.
I drafted him at 6.03 in my 12 team, PPR, super-flex, redraft that combines WR&TE. He was the 23rd WR/TE off the board and he is currently ranked as the #12 WR/TE (PPG).
I'm thrilled with his production.
Stompin' Tom Connors
Footballguy
People complaining about his production clearly haven't actually looked at said production.
The guy is third in my league behind Antonio and Nuk, and just going by standard scoring (which I assume FBG uses in their stats dominator) is 6th overall in reception yards, 8th overall in FPPG, 13th overall in receptions, and 19th overall in targets.
That's borderline/straight up WR1 performance from a guy most people drafted as their WR2, if not lower.
What the heck is not to like here? The only thing that seems to need to come up is his TD production, but with options like Hunt and Kelce, not sure he can rack up the same tallies as Brown and Nuk who really are the best weapons on their respective teams.
Milkman
Footballguy
LOL 3 targets. Anybody want to come in here and state how happy they are with his usage? LOL he's is one of the best weapons in the NFL and he's wasting away in KC with Noodle arm Smith. He should have another long TD today.......Smith didn't see him.......Honestly he could be the #1 WR in FF with a better QB.
JackReacher
Footballguy
Agreee. Terrible usage, but he still scored the TD of the season. The guy is so sick.
Stompin' Tom Connors
Footballguy
Sublimely silly to be complaining about Hill’s usage.
Clearly a game where Kelce was creating mismatches, and given the pass distributions, Chiefs definitely looked like they were trying to take advantage of the D’s softness against RBs out of the backfield.
Looks like only 7 catches by all WRs altogether so not like Hill wasn’t being targeted in favor of other WRs.
Some people can’t be grateful for what Hill is giving them, which was solid production this game and all season. Some people don’t see the forest for that one single shrubbery.
The continued crying about absolutely nothing is just going to bring bad mojo.
Clearly a game where Kelce was creating mismatches, and given the pass distributions, Chiefs definitely looked like they were trying to take advantage of the D’s softness against RBs out of the backfield.
Looks like only 7 catches by all WRs altogether so not like Hill wasn’t being targeted in favor of other WRs.
Some people can’t be grateful for what Hill is giving them, which was solid production this game and all season. Some people don’t see the forest for that one single shrubbery.
The continued crying about absolutely nothing is just going to bring bad mojo.
Stompin' Tom Connors
Footballguy
LOL.
Given the trend? Absolutely.
But no way I’m risking that. Hill is a bona fide every week start.
What’s sublimely silly is the hill usage apologists coming in here and defending usage even in games where he is used sparingly. Lol
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Milkman
Footballguy
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ConnSKINS26
Footballguy
4 targets. One of them was a crazy half hail mary play that worked mostly because the D didn't tackle, or people would be a lot more pissed off in here.
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Hankmoody
Footballguy
Stompin' Tom Connors
Footballguy
Ignored for whom exactly?
For Kelce? Guess what, this team has three offensive weapons and will use them. And if Kelce is getting it on, which he was in this game, they are going to keep feeding him because it wins games. This is what’s been hapening for two years. If you can’t or won’t see it, that’s on you.
For other receivers? Their usage was just as “poor” this game and no other reciever comes close in targets, receptions, yards, etc.
They aren’t using him enough altogether? Something called game flow and matchups dictate that - yes, believe it or not, if a running game or another way of attacking is being successful, the plays are going to lean that way. And with an elite TE and an electric back woth good hands, there is a cap on how much you will and should throw to a single WR.
Reid knows exactly what he’s got in Hill. You, apparently, don’t.
You both don’t ever seem to bring any clear thinking, data, or sensible counterpoints. All you are bringing are tears and a little separation from reality.
So be it. Not sure there is any point in engaging further so enjoy the cry while the rest of us will continue to love what Hill brings to the table, and the larger picture of getting WR1 production from who we drafted as our WR2/3.
Good luck with your respective seasons.
Milkman
Footballguy
lol I stopped reading after wins games.....they lost this game and they haven't exactly been tearing the league up the last month. Maybe they should try to get the ball to their best offensive weapon. What do I know though.....
Stompin' Tom Connors
Footballguy
Middling game for Smith where he didn’t seem to get much going with his receivers other than Kelce.
Is it possible to be happy that Hill is producing nicely this season but also observe that he could be other worldly studly if he was getting more targets week in and week out?
It’s a yes or no question no need for another one of your diatribes. Is that possible, yes or no?
Ghost Rider
Footballguy
This is what I feared would happen with Hill. Teams have figured out that the rest of their WRs are trash, so Hill is getting extra special coverage from defenses and teams are making the Chiefs beat them other ways. This was fairly predictable. Defenses are not gonna let the fastest guy in the league run past them for 70-yard TDs every week.
NeverEnough
Footballguy
Anyone seeing any Hill trades in dynasty? If so, post em!
Milkman
Footballguy
He needs double digit touches every game. He's still a top 12 WR on a per game basis in my league so it's not like he's horrible but he could be so much better. Half way through the season though and it isn't really happening. What we got so far is probably all we're going to get.
Chaka
Footballguy
And what we've gotten so far is #1 WR production.
He did get double digit opportunities last night. If your league doesn't award the player for special teams then he still got 8 opportunities, which isn't bad.
I think the problem for most of us is specifically his target share in the passing game. I would like to consistently see eight or so targets per game (he is at 6.5 right now) to go along with rushing and special teams play. If they bump him to 10+ targets I imagine they would limit his rushing and special teams opportunities.
Milkman
Footballguy
Yeah and honestly I never expected Smith to push it down the field much to Tyreek. It's still frustrating seeing him running 2-3 yards behind the defense and Smith not going for it. Oh well. He's so young hopefully KC gets a better QB to work with him at some point.
Bingo. You just never know what you’re gonna get week inand week out. For years now people have complained about Julio Jones in the same way. One week 300 yards and 2 yds and the next week 30 yards.
