WTF v. Blind Bidding WW: Who hates WTF? (1 Viewer)

[Frank Black]

For those who have played in leagues with worst to first WW and other leagues with blind bidding WW, is this the season where you finally just say no to WTF leagues? With the types of injuries we see now, with even 3rd string backups rising to temporary stardom, it hurts to effectively be penalized for being high up in your league standings.

We can't always see at leat 2 weeks in the future to stash away a player and depending on roster rize, we can't always have room to stash away certain players. It seems to me that blind bidding is the fairest system.

I know others feel this way, but I'm interested to know who feels so strongly about this that you will actually stop playing in WTF leagues this season?

 

[Ministry of Pain]

Worst to First? WTF is with these shortened double meaning abreviations?

 

[valhallan]

Blind bidding is easily more fun and strategic in redraft and I think we'll see a clear shift toward that system as the general public (Yahoo) becomes more aware of it.

In dynasty, worst-to-first has some merit for helping to maintain competitive balance.

 

[Irish1995]

We went blind bidding about 5 years ago, and I love the change. It's so much easier for me to deal with the waivers now.

 

[Captain Hook]

Blind bidding is easily more fun and strategic in redraft and I think we'll see a clear shift toward that system as the general public (Yahoo) becomes more aware of it.In dynasty, worst-to-first has some merit for helping to maintain competitive balance.

Not at the beginning of the season when even the best teams might get off to a slow start.Or a team be slightly lower because of early bye weeks.If you are concerned about the bad teams (and why should you be if their owners aren't?),the worst-to-first should only apply after the bye weeks are finished - before then have the order set from last to first on previous years standings, but once you make a claim you go to the end of the line.Still FAAB (blind bidding) is the fairest way for ALL the teams in the league(and if you really want to spice up your league, make the FA bidding in real $$)

 

[valhallan]

Blind bidding is easily more fun and strategic in redraft and I think we'll see a clear shift toward that system as the general public (Yahoo) becomes more aware of it.

In dynasty, worst-to-first has some merit for helping to maintain competitive balance.

Not at the beginning of the season when even the best teams might get off to a slow start.Or a team be slightly lower because of early bye weeks.

If you are concerned about the bad teams (and why should you be if their owners aren't?),

the worst-to-first should only apply after the bye weeks are finished - before then have the order set from last to first on previous years standings, but once you make a claim you go to the end of the line.

Still FAAB (blind bidding) is the fairest way for ALL the teams in the league

(and if you really want to spice up your league, make the FA bidding in real $$)

"Some merit" doesn't mean it's the best way. I agree worst-to-first has its flaws, but dynasties can be tricky. As a commissioner, I'm constantly looking for ways to keep everyone involved and the league competitive, but fair. We've considered changing from worst-to-first to another system but decided our particular league (some dynasty vets, some guys with only redraft experience) should stick with what we have for at least another year. Surely in a league full of "sharks", you'll want the most strategic system, which is most certainly not worst-to-first, but some leagues are better served taking a slower transition to systems like blind bidding IMO.

 

[Lash]

split the difference and use waiver priority

start first week worst-to-first (perhaps from last year standings) but once you use your claim you drop to bottom of list

makes you think and involves strategy and doesn't penalize the best teams as much as WTF, yet still gives the lesser teams an initial advantage

take for instance last year first week Derek Anderson taking Charlie Frye's spot

the worst team would have had to make a decision, take my player while i can and hope i climb back up eventually, or wait cause Quinn gonna take his spot week 4 anyways (and miss out)

the guy in the end could say well i have a a lowest priority so why not just take a flyer on DeShawn Wynn as i hear rumblings BJax can't pass protect

guy at the middle thinking about Derrick Ward and whether he is worth dropping 6 spots to the end or wait and climb to top for the for sure thing

etc, etc

 

[UnknownCoach]

WTF helps the weaker owners which balances the league. Yes, it rewards poor managers and hurts those who manage their team the best. Yet league balance makes FF more exciteing, fun, and challenging to play.

Blind Bidding rewards better managers. While this makes the game more based on skill than luck, it destroys league balance. What if the NFL gave the Super Bowl champion the number one draft pick as a reward? While that's not the same thing, the way it would unbalance the NFL is simuliar to how blind bidding affects fantasy leauges.

In my experience, blind bidding is an ok choice for a redraft league if you want to obliterate your opponents and you dont mind dominant teams and trash teams. Its bad for dynasty leagues or if you want a league where everyone can compete.

 

[squistion]

Blind bidding may be fine for redrafts but it should never be used in Dynasty leagues IMO as it eliminates one of the few ways the bad teams in the league can improve themselves that does not involve a skill contest.

In every Dynasty league I been in that has blind bidding, the best teams always seem to end up with the best players (probably because they are the best teams).

Eventually the owners of the poorer teams get discouraged and drop out of the league because they only have the rookie draft to improve their situation (trading involves skill too).

Blind bidding is fair to all owners only if all owners are equally skilled in blind bidding process.

 

[burd]

no one has had any complaints about doing waivers as the reversal of the draft order for Week 1 with teams moving to the end of the line each time they acquire someone.

 

[Brock Middlebrook]

no one has had any complaints about doing waivers as the reversal of the draft order for Week 1 with teams moving to the end of the line each time they acquire someone.

My biggest complaint about this is:If I have 2nd priority and I, and the the 1st priority put claims on and receive players then I am still behind the first guy the next time around.

It doesn't seem fair.

 

[AB in DC]

Why not?

The point of using reverse draft order is to compensate for the disadvantage of drafting at the end of round one. (There's another thread around here that shows the problems with a normal serpentine draft)

 

[poopdawg]

no one has had any complaints about doing waivers as the reversal of the draft order for Week 1 with teams moving to the end of the line each time they acquire someone.

I use the priority system in 2 of our leagues and I love it. If you really want a player, chances are that someone else wants that player so you move from the first priority to the last. So if a different player happens to go off the next week, youre pretty much screwed out of getting that player. As for worst-to-first, this is the dumbest way of handling things. Our champ last year was in last place and got first crack at Ryan Grant after week 8. He also drafted first and had LT. He made up some ground and ended up winning it all. Ridiculous.

 

[stugnut]

There was a previous discussion on this a couple of years ago.

I guess what I don't get about the WTF method, which is designed to promoted "equality" among teams, is why would owners want teams to be equal? I'm going to try to get every advantage I can and bury the rest of the teams in my league, and I hope that is what every other owner is trying to do to me.

The whole idea of holding someone's hand because they had a bad draft or whatever the reason is, is totally at odds with what my league is about. The WTF method seems tantamount to having "strong" owners help "weaker" owners manage their team. I know I don't want anyone else helping me manage my team and as the commish if I thought I had an owner who expected other owners to help build his weak team back up, I'd probably not ask him back the following year. I shouldn't have to create rules to keep weaker owner/teams interested or competitive.

I also don't buy the argument that the WTF system helps weaker teams build their team back up. A weaker team is not always guaranteed to be first, second or even third on the waiver list. But in a blind bid system the weaker teams would of course bid more for the players they want because they need them more; blind bidding a supply and demand system in a free market and those most in need are willing to pay more. I actually think a blind bid system would better help the weaker teams than a WTF system.

Having said all that, I think a league should go with whatever works for them, be it blind biding or WTF. But since the thread title was "who hates WTF" I wanted to add my 2 cents

 

[burd]

no one has had any complaints about doing waivers as the reversal of the draft order for Week 1 with teams moving to the end of the line each time they acquire someone.

My biggest complaint about this is:If I have 2nd priority and I, and the the 1st priority put claims on and receive players then I am still behind the first guy the next time around.

It doesn't seem fair.

if the 1st priority guy beats you out to the same player, you'd be in the #1 position for the next player on your list, or less you'd be #1 for the next week or whenever you'd decide to use your waiver claim.

 

[Jersey35]

Blind bidding may be fine for redrafts but it should never be used in Dynasty leagues IMO as it eliminates one of the few ways the bad teams in the league can improve themselves that does not involve a skill contest.

In every Dynasty league I been in that has blind bidding, the best teams always seem to end up with the best players (probably because they are the best teams).

Eventually the owners of the poorer teams get discouraged and drop out of the league because they only have the rookie draft to improve their situation (trading involves skill too).

Blind bidding is fair to all owners only if all owners are equally skilled in blind bidding process.

I hear what you're saying, but WTF bidding is only fair if all owners are equally skilled at evaluating talent. This type of statement could be made about virtually any rule in FF. The truth is, unless we want to get all owners the same players, there are always going to be varying levels of skill involved - that's what part of what makes FF fun: the competition.I'm of the opinion that when faced with two imperfect options, the best choice is to go with what seems most "fair" and let the rest sort itself out. In this case, blind bidding is for me in redraft, keeper, and dynasty.

 

[the UFFRM]

First come, first served is the only way.

 

[Brock Middlebrook]

no one has had any complaints about doing waivers as the reversal of the draft order for Week 1 with teams moving to the end of the line each time they acquire someone.

My biggest complaint about this is:If I have 2nd priority and I, and the the 1st priority put claims on and receive players then I am still behind the first guy the next time around.

It doesn't seem fair.

if the 1st priority guy beats you out to the same player, you'd be in the #1 position for the next player on your list, or less you'd be #1 for the next week or whenever you'd decide to use your waiver claim.

I don't think you're getting itif we both claim players, he gets priorityy over me. He gets his first choice, I get my second. He's getting the better player and still has a higher waiver priority than me

 

[Real Man of Genius]

For those in dynasty leagues, what about a blind bid system in which the best-finishing teams from the prior year get less blind bid dollars to start the season than the worst teams? You still get the strategy of blind bidding, but you keep a little bit of the competitive balance of WTF.

 

[Lash]

For those in dynasty leagues, what about a blind bid system in which the best-finishing teams from the prior year get less blind bid dollars to start the season than the worst teams? You still get the strategy of blind bidding, but you keep a little bit of the competitive balance of WTF.

or giving a $5 "bonus" to each team that lost that weekkeeps the blind bidding free market but gives a small boost to the lesser talented teams

 

[Anthony Borbely]

I can't stand worst to first, or any other rule that gives a benefit to poor management.

 

[greyone]

:dot:

 

[swirvenirvin]

Switched to it in two of my leagues

 

[Godsbrother]

First come, first served is the only way.

Care to elaborate because I think FCFS is the worst way.

 

[poopdawg]

First come, first served is the only way.

Care to elaborate because I think FCFS is the worst way.

Just because Im out at the bar on Sunday, at work during the week, etc., doesnt mean I should be penalized while some geek is sitting in front of his computer 24/7 waiting to sweep up all the talent. FCFS takes every bit of skill out of fantasy.