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I guess thats the feeling, but i dont get it. Joba is so much more valuable as a starter. Seems like they've got enough young bull pen arms to give Joba a chance to prove himself a top of the rotation guy.I'd be surprised if they throw Hughes to the wolves again, even if its only as SP5.
So Hughes starts at AAA? What happens if he comes out of the gate pitching well. I dont think they want him in the bullpen.
They've got Pettitte, Burnett, Wang and Joba all in one rotation...Hughes will be up soon enough!
but what if Hughes is ready by the summer? What happens? If Joba is in the rotation, Andy is obviously the odd man out (barring injuries). Would they really just dump him from the rotation? They aren't gonna move Joba mid-season again if they can help it. that being said, I'm glad they are bringing Pettite back one more time. Its a low risk move.
Sure would be a short term thinking Yankee-like move.
It's the way to go if you hate the Yankees, sure.In no world is 60 innings of that guy better than a 140+. Horribly bad thinking.
The Yanks have a decent bullpen and should get to Mo most nights. They absolutely turn the game into 7 innings with Joba in the pen. If you were to tell me Joba will be a 200+ IP guy for the rest of his career, I have no problems with him in the rotation. I just hope his body holds up.
That's true but does it boil down to that guy not being able to pitch 140+ innings healthy? I'd love 140+ innings of 2006 Joel Zumaya but he can't even throw 35 innings without tearing his labia.
Injuries happen. You can mitigate them by limiting how much work a pitcher does (especially in any given game), but keeping Joba in the bullpen is essentially forgoing half the work he might be able to do in one year to lower his probability of any serious injury from a pretty small number to an even smaller one.The right move is to start Joba. Deal with any injuries IF they occur.
I don't disagree with you, I think they should start him. But how do you come up with the chance of him having any serious future injury as "pretty small?" He already has seen Dr. James Andrews once for a shoulder problem, I don't think we can know one way or another about whether he will be injury prone or not especially with his outp pitch being a slider/slurve. I also think this is a consideration in their current thinking because I don't think you can justify moving a guy with this much upside and a pretty good rookie season as a starter, to the pen.
DD, I'm sure that you are more connected to the Tigers than I will ever be, but I did have a former player tell me that it was understood in the organization that Joel was involved with steroids. I certainly hope that he is wrong because Zumaya is a rare physical talent. I would love to see what that kid could do in a completely healthy season.
Wow I never heard that, not even as a dirty rumor. I mean that finger injury he had is unlikely to be tied to steroids and the "box falling on him" was probably something involving a motorcycle or him just being a dummy. I'm not saying steroids is out of the question, but with him he has a little bit of bad luck and he does some really dumb ####. He should be in decent shape and health going into the season this year and I think he will be the closer by May if he stays healthy/out of trouble but I'm actually one of few Tigers fans who are optimistic about him. But we all agree he can't be counted on, and that might be just what Joel needs to get his #### straightened out.
I wish I hadn't brought it up. To see this kid reach his potential would be awesome........he is young enough to still have an amazing career.
Why?
He's a type A free agent, probably explains why he is still unsigned. I'm not saying high K/9 fireballers with below average control grow on trees, they're valuable, but at the expense of a 1st round pick? Not worth it, but the Yanks have never valued a farm system so I'd think them acquiring him would make sense.
How does the system work? Did they already lose all their 1st round picks from signing CC & Tex?
With the Yanks or AAA?
Just heard last night that the Yanks dont have a 1-3 round pick cuz of the Type A FAs they already signed. According to MLBN, they would lose a 4th rounder for signing Cruz. No brainer IMO
Noted, and at that price I agree that Cruz would be worth it.
I also wanted it to work out for him in the rotation, but he's wired for high intensity in short spurts.(Didn't search the thread with the intention of bumping this comment... it just caught my eye.)
