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JayMan

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I'm playing in a [DYNASTY] league and I've been lurking around to try and find the next young receiver(s) that would become a mainstay as an uber stud FFer... Marvin Harrison / Torry Holt / Joe Horn are names that comes immediately for comparison purposes - but Rod Smith / Jimmy Smith are others that are not as glamorous but that put good numbers on the board - year-in / year-out...

Looking at guys that have played 5 years or less... we can certainly say that Anquan Boldin / Chris Chambers / Larry Fitzgerald / Chad Johnson / Steve Smith have already attained that level - are nowhere near the waiver wire - nor could you get them dirt cheap in a trade... To a certain extent Santana Moss and Reggie Wayne could also be added to that list...

Excluding the guys above - you are looking at a set of young receivers that have potential either from an opportunity point of view or strickly from physical talents... Deion Branch / Michael Clayton / Lee Evans / TJ Houshmandzadeh / Andre Johnson / Brandon Lloyd / Donte' Stallworth / Javon Walker / Roy Williams top that list...

Finally, there are those enigmatic sophomore or junior guys that you just dreamed of having on your FF team... but that have yet to attain that elite status - but that show promise... Reggie Brown / Mark Clayton / Braylon Edwards / Chris Henry / Vincent Jackson / Michael Jenkins / Matt Jones / Rody White / Mike Williams / Troy Williamson...

Might it come from a rookie?... Santonio Holmes / Chad Jackson / Greg Jennings / Brandon Marshall / Sinorice Moss?... Or even from the terrific college players that might be available in April... Ted Ginn Jr. / Dwayne Jarrett / Calvin Johnson / Sidney Rice / Jeff Samardzija?...

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Excluding the young guys at the top... If you had, right now, to put your eggs in one basket - betting on one WR to help your [DYNASTY] squad for the long run... and putting into perspective the tag price that this guy comes with (i.e. if you want to bank on Mark Clayton or Matt Jones - the owner of that young WR won't let him go cheap... or if you wish to have Calvin Johnson - a top rookie pick is needed)... Who would you target and why? (physical attributes, coachability, route running, hands, intangibles... you name it)

 
Matt Jones above anyone else.

He's a physical freak, he has the opportunity starting THIS year, and he's shown he has big game potential in the NFL.

Targeting him in every REDRAFT league this year.

 
Keys Myaths said:
Matt Jones above anyone else.He's a physical freak, he has the opportunity starting THIS year, and he's shown he has big game potential in the NFL.Targeting him in every REDRAFT league this year.
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He isn't even the #1 in Jax. I like Vincent Jackson... of course he isn't #1 either...
 
Keys Myaths said:
Matt Jones above anyone else.He's a physical freak, he has the opportunity starting THIS year, and he's shown he has big game potential in the NFL.Targeting him in every REDRAFT league this year.
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He's the 1st name that came to my mind as well. I was not on the bandwagon at all but the guy just makes plays. He's got that physical ability that can't be taught.
 
Biggest gamble, biggest reward: Roy Williams. Only question to me in health. Even if Martz doesn't light up the scoreboard this year, I think Roy will be a stud for years. But....there's that health question. Looks like he has a little Fred Taylor in him, that Ferrarri that's always in the shop.

Safest pick: TJ Houshmanzadeh. I love this guy. He's consistent, and has Chad pulling coverage from him. And there's no TE or starting back stealing catches. Henry and Perry are a concern, but for the starting lineup, he's the #2 guy, and there is no #3 option.

Troy Williamson: Opportunity knocking. Glad I got him late before Koren went all James Brown on the state of Minnesota. I think he may already be one of the top deep threats in the game. He has F U speed.

 
massraider said:
Biggest gamble, biggest reward: Roy Williams. Only question to me in health. Even if Martz doesn't light up the scoreboard this year, I think Roy will be a stud for years. But....there's that health question. Looks like he has a little Fred Taylor in him, that Ferrarri that's always in the shop.Safest pick: TJ Houshmanzadeh. I love this guy. He's consistent, and has Chad pulling coverage from him. And there's no TE or starting back stealing catches. Henry and Perry are a concern, but for the starting lineup, he's the #2 guy, and there is no #3 option.Troy Williamson: Opportunity knocking. Glad I got him late before Koren went all James Brown on the state of Minnesota. I think he may already be one of the top deep threats in the game. He has F U speed.
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Good post. I agree with Matt Jones, too.I think Michael Jenkins in Atlanta would benefit greatly if Vick gets hurt.Two other guys - Reggie Brown, #1 on a team that throws a ton and has a good QB and Michael Clayton could rebound, too. Galloway performed so far ahead of anything he had done previously, and given Joey's past performance and injury history, a healthy Clayton could offer tremendous value.
 
Since you specified over the long-term rather than impact this season:

1. Javon Walker

2. Braylon Edwards

You will never again be able to acquire either for less than you can get them right now.

Both have tremendous skills. The only thing that concerns me about Edwards is the QB situation, but I do think that's a franchise now headed in the right direction, and as soon as they get the feeling Frye isn't the guy, I think they'll make a move to get a solid QB.

 
Matt Jones :thumbup: :banned: :excited:

6'6'' 240 former QB with good hands and 4.3 speed starting on a good team.

Sky's the limit for this guy.

 
H.K. said:
massraider said:
Biggest gamble, biggest reward: Roy Williams. Only question to me in health. Even if Martz doesn't light up the scoreboard this year, I think Roy will be a stud for years. But....there's that health question. Looks like he has a little Fred Taylor in him, that Ferrarri that's always in the shop.Safest pick: TJ Houshmanzadeh. I love this guy. He's consistent, and has Chad pulling coverage from him. And there's no TE or starting back stealing catches. Henry and Perry are a concern, but for the starting lineup, he's the #2 guy, and there is no #3 option.Troy Williamson: Opportunity knocking. Glad I got him late before Koren went all James Brown on the state of Minnesota. I think he may already be one of the top deep threats in the game. He has F U speed.
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I think Michael Jenkins in Atlanta would benefit greatly if Vick gets hurt.
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Isn't it messed up how true that is? I root for Vick to do well, but man, he ain't doing Jenkins and Roddy any favors.It's at the point now, where after about three weeks, I'm gonna try and steal White and Jenkins from frustrated owners. I figure the Vick leg injury is inevitable, and I'll have a solid WR on my hands.
 
Bob Sacamano said:
Since you specified over the long-term rather than impact this season:1. Javon Walker2. Braylon EdwardsYou will never again be able to acquire either for less than you can get them right now. Both have tremendous skills. The only thing that concerns me about Edwards is the QB situation, but I do think that's a franchise now headed in the right direction, and as soon as they get the feeling Frye isn't the guy, I think they'll make a move to get a solid QB.
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I traded the 4th overall pick this year for Braylon - I share your sentiment. This investment probably will not come full bloom until 1-3 years down the road though. Also very high on Roy Williams being a perennial top 10.
 
Though he's dissappointed me many a time, I like Andre Johnson's future... T

hough long term, I'd give the obvious nod to Fitz, then Roy, then Lee Evans, then Braylon, then Mark Clayton, and then Vincent Jackson. Matt Jones will be solid, but I don't see him as a steady receiver. His ceiling is a poor man's Randy Moss, whis doesn't sound too bad now that I think about it.

Just don't forget Lee Evans... :yes:

 
JayMan said:
I'm playing in a [DYNASTY] league and I've been lurking around to try and find the next young receiver(s) that would become a mainstay as an uber stud FFer... Marvin Harrison / Torry Holt / Joe Horn are names that comes immediately for comparison purposes - but Rod Smith / Jimmy Smith are others that are not as glamorous but that put good numbers on the board - year-in / year-out...

Looking at guys that have played 5 years or less... we can certainly say that Anquan Boldin / Chris Chambers / Larry Fitzgerald / Chad Johnson / Steve Smith have already attained that level - are nowhere near the waiver wire - nor could you get them dirt cheap in a trade... To a certain extent Santana Moss and Reggie Wayne could also be added to that list...

Excluding the guys above - you are looking at a set of young receivers that have potential either from an opportunity point of view or strickly from physical talents... Deion Branch / Michael Clayton / Lee Evans / TJ Houshmandzadeh / Andre Johnson / Brandon Lloyd / Donte' Stallworth / Javon Walker / Roy Williams top that list...

Finally, there are those enigmatic sophomore or junior guys that you just dreamed of having on your FF team... but that have yet to attain that elite status - but that show promise... Reggie Brown / Mark Clayton / Braylon Edwards / Chris Henry / Vincent Jackson / Michael Jenkins / Matt Jones / Rody White / Mike Williams / Troy Williamson...

Might it come from a rookie?... Santonio Holmes / Chad Jackson / Greg Jennings / Brandon Marshall / Sinorice Moss?... Or even from the terrific college players that might be available in April... Ted Ginn Jr. / Dwayne Jarrett / Calvin Johnson / Sidney Rice / Jeff Samardzija?...

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Excluding the young guys at the top... If you had, right now, to put your eggs in one basket - betting on one WR to help your [DYNASTY] squad for the long run... and putting into perspective the tag price that this guy comes with (i.e. if you want to bank on Mark Clayton or Matt Jones - the owner of that young WR won't let him go cheap... or if you wish to have Calvin Johnson - a top rookie pick is needed)... Who would you target and why? (physical attributes, coachability, route running, hands, intangibles... you name it)
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Since you indicated that the price tag they may carry is a consideration, I would take a look at 2 rookie WR. Santonio Holmes and Chad Jackson. Both of these guys could likely be had relatively cheap now and both have an opportunity to make a decent impact this year and have the potential to be future studs (Which I believe both of them will be with two very good young QBs)!

 
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Mike Hass.

The knock on him is his 40 time. He is not a 4.32 guy but his 40 time was faster than that Rice guy...

The guy simply gets open and catches everything. He is cheap right now. He won't be after this season.

Two years ago my answer would have been Fitzgerald. Not really an answer to this question since Fitz is pretty much there already.

 
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Sand said:
Mike Hass.The knock on him is his 40 time. He is not a 4.32 guy but his 40 time was faster than that Rice guy...The guy simply gets open and catches everything. He is cheap right now. He won't be after this season.Two years ago my answer would have been Fitzgerald. Not really an answer to this question since Fitz is pretty much there already.
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Went to college with Hass, I even played against him in HS. He's been amazing since HS.
 
What do you guys think of Sinorice Moss? He's not much smaller than Steve Smith or his brother. I think he's like 5'8 175, and smith is like 5'9 185. With toomer at the end of his career, might be good for him.

 
I say Roy Williams too and I think he is out in front by a good clip. If they can find a way to get him the ball he has skills like very few WRs I've ever seen. Oh, and I'm not a Lions fan either.

One guy that I may be biased toward is Braylon Edwards. He runs very crisp routes, he is smart, and the only WR I've ever seen adjust to the ball better on a deep ball is Moss. The injury sets him back a year but if he comes back strong the guy is going to be a beast. He has all the tools to be a great one. Oh, and I'm a Michigan fan.

 
2banalias said:
Keys Myaths said:
Matt Jones above anyone else.He's a physical freak, he has the opportunity starting THIS year, and he's shown he has big game potential in the NFL.Targeting him in every REDRAFT league this year.
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He isn't even the #1 in Jax. I like Vincent Jackson... of course he isn't #1 either...
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Isn't Matt lined up in the X position? I'm pretty sure Jimmy Smith's old position was considered WR1. Also, the fact that Matt played QB is a plus.
 
Bob Sacamano said:
Since you specified over the long-term rather than impact this season:

1. Javon Walker

2. Braylon Edwards

You will never again be able to acquire either for less than you can get them right now.

Both have tremendous skills. The only thing that concerns me about Edwards is the QB situation, but I do think that's a franchise now headed in the right direction, and as soon as they get the feeling Frye isn't the guy, I think they'll make a move to get a solid QB.
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:no:
 
IGKYA!!! said:
Bob Sacamano said:
Since you specified over the long-term rather than impact this season:

1. Javon Walker

2. Braylon Edwards

You will never again be able to acquire either for less than you can get them right now.

Both have tremendous skills. The only thing that concerns me about Edwards is the QB situation, but I do think that's a franchise now headed in the right direction, and as soon as they get the feeling Frye isn't the guy, I think they'll make a move to get a solid QB.
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:no:
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Care to explain why? I see great things for the kid, and he showed flashes last year.
 
Reggie Brown. With McNabb back, 500+ attempts per year, #1 WR on the team, even with all the dumpoffs to Westbrook, Brown should put up more than his current draft position suggests.

 
Javon Walker is clearly going to be a stud for the next 5-8 years.

This guy is just entering his peak age as a WR and he is about to take over as the number 1 reciever on a great franchise and team (if not this year the number one guy than next year for sure). He has a proven veteran starting QB at this time and an elite rookie that will take over with superstar potential. He has one of the best coaches in the business. Walker has proven that he already can be an elite player and Denver were really fortunate to land this stud.

Don't sleep on this guy in dynasty drafts.

 
Colin Dowling said:
Andre Johnson is a great choice for 2007 and beyond, when he'll have a real QB (a la Brady Quinn) throwing him the ball.
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Yes, Carr will be exposed as the fraud that he is this year as he will not be able to hide from his ineptitude. You know it's bad when in the 1st pre season game, the best the coaches can say is that he ran with the ball well.
 
I agree with the Roy Williams nomination, but he's going so high that he's practically already considered a star for dynasty purposes.

I think Antonio Bryant, Lee Evans, and Matt Jones all have the potential to be consistently productive #1 WRs.

There are a few other guys with the talent to make the leap, but the three players I listed all have a chance to do it immediately, whereas a guy like Braylon Edwards, Chris Henry, or Chad Jackson is probably 2-3 years away from peaking.

 
Antonio bryant...he's always had the talent but the knock on him was his maturity/attitude and he seems to have that taken care of. On top of that he's in the best position you could want a wr to have, he's on a a team with a crappy d in a division full of high powered offenses.

 
Colin Dowling said:
Roy Williams. I can't even think of anyone else I'd put in the conversation.
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I agree. I have had good sucess with receivers over the years (wish the same was true with RB's), and Williams is the guy Im going to reach for this year. I beleive he will be the next one to join the elite - starting this year.
 
Roy Williams, Andre Johnson, and especially Javon Walker have already shown us they are damn good receivers. Roy and Javon are both already star quality receivers IMO even though injuries have left fantasy owners wanting more. These three are the cream of the somewhat proven group you mentioned.

If I had to pick one young guy who has yet to break out, it would be Braylon Edwards. He's nearly a year behind schedule due to his injury but he wouldnt be too far behind Andre Johnson in my dynasty rankings.

 
ExtraPoint said:
Roy Williams, Andre Johnson, and especially Javon Walker have already shown us they are damn good receivers. Roy and Javon are both already star quality receivers IMO even though injuries have left fantasy owners wanting more. These three are the cream of the somewhat proven group you mentioned. If I had to pick one young guy who has yet to break out, it would be Braylon Edwards. He's nearly a year behind schedule due to his injury but he wouldnt be too far behind Andre Johnson in my dynasty rankings.
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You make good points. I'm convinced.
 
Nugget said:
Calvin Johnson, Georgia Tech. This kid is the real deal.
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I can't believe I had to go this far down the list to hear his name. I've watched him BEAT UP on some good DBs. Small school knock, NFL performance. Bang for the buck was the ? right? An early-mid first rounder next year should do it and that comes cheaper than what anybody owning one of the WRs so far mentioned will ask (with the exception of Hass). I've heard Brandon Marshall tagged as a T.O. clone, and I don't know about that, but this guy IS. Probably a 4.45 but he's so damned big and strong. If his head is screwed on right and he doesn't deteriorate on 'roids like Boston, he should be what Boston could have been. Also reminds me of A.Johnson. Really goes up and fights for the jump balls w/ superior size, strenght, vertical and desire.
 
Cookiemonster said:
Nugget said:
Calvin Johnson, Georgia Tech. This kid is the real deal.
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I can't believe I had to go this far down the list to hear his name. I've watched him BEAT UP on some good DBs. Small school knock, NFL performance. Bang for the buck was the ? right? An early-mid first rounder next year should do it and that comes cheaper than what anybody owning one of the WRs so far mentioned will ask (with the exception of Hass). I've heard Brandon Marshall tagged as a T.O. clone, and I don't know about that, but this guy IS. Probably a 4.45 but he's so damned big and strong. If his head is screwed on right and he doesn't deteriorate on 'roids like Boston, he should be what Boston could have been. Also reminds me of A.Johnson. Really goes up and fights for the jump balls w/ superior size, strenght, vertical and desire.
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The real deal like starting from day 1?
 
I was thinking about Deion Branch this year and the fact that the entire Pats WR squad has really declined. Branch and Ben Watson may be the only reliable veteran targets there despite Brady's past propensity to spread it around. If he gets his butt into camp, then I see his receptions moving into the high eighties range which would place him in the top 10.

 
brakeyawself said:
Cookiemonster said:
Nugget said:
Calvin Johnson, Georgia Tech. This kid is the real deal.
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I can't believe I had to go this far down the list to hear his name. I've watched him BEAT UP on some good DBs. Small school knock, NFL performance. Bang for the buck was the ? right? An early-mid first rounder next year should do it and that comes cheaper than what anybody owning one of the WRs so far mentioned will ask (with the exception of Hass). I've heard Brandon Marshall tagged as a T.O. clone, and I don't know about that, but this guy IS. Probably a 4.45 but he's so damned big and strong. If his head is screwed on right and he doesn't deteriorate on 'roids like Boston, he should be what Boston could have been. Also reminds me of A.Johnson. Really goes up and fights for the jump balls w/ superior size, strenght, vertical and desire.
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The real deal like starting from day 1?
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Depending what team he goes to, yes. The footage I have seen of him, he reminds me of Fitzgerald. That kind of atheletic ability.
 
brakeyawself said:
What do you guys think of Sinorice Moss? He's not much smaller than Steve Smith or his brother. I think he's like 5'8 175, and smith is like 5'9 185. With toomer at the end of his career, might be good for him.
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I like Tim Carter more than Moss as a dynasty WR from NYG..he has great size and speed, he just can't stay healthy..so far in preseason, he's looked fine..Toomer is slowing, his career is winding down for sure..But I'd think that Carter is going to have the best shot at being the #1 in NY long before Moss will..He will take over the spot vacated by Toomer, when he does leave..Moss has a lot of talent too, but needs a few years to catch up...another guy I'd add is Sammie Parker, he looks real good in KC so far..Matt JonesPatrick Crayton - T.O. is still hurt, Glenn can be hurt at the drop of a hat, leaving Crayton as the #1 WR in Big D..he's only battling against aging vets for playing time..in a year or two, Crayton will be the top WR in Dallas..
 
Matt Jones

Roy Williams

Braylon Edwards

Lee Evans

Reggie Brown

Greg Jennings

 
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djcolts said:
:blackdot: This is what I'm looking for - I'm trying to build my team for 2007 and 2008, not for this season.
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Seriously, look to next years draft then if so. Several ELITE WRs should be coming out. At the top of my short list are (no particular order) :D . JarrettT. GinnC. JohnsonS. Rice
 
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Thanks guys!... Excellent insight inlcuded in the many replies...

I've tallied the votes (so far)... and I'm listing the players that get the "most love" (top3) in the diverse categories...

Established youngsters: guys that play regularly and that would cost the most to acquire in a [DYNASTY] league:

1. Roy Williams;

2. Javon Walker;

3. Andre Johnson.

(other notables: Houshmandzadeh / Branch / Bryant)

Young guns: talented guys that are getting (or will be getting) more opportunities and could develop into perenial stars:

1. Matt Jones;

2. Lee Evans;

3. Michael Clayton.

(other notables: Jenkins / Parker)

Diaper Dandies: Rookies or Sophomores where the sky's the limit:

1. Braylon Edwards;

2. Chad Jackson;

3. Reggie Brown.

(other notables: MarkClayton / VJackson / Jennings / Williamson)

Future thoughts: Guys that will still be touching a striped ball this year:

1. Calvin Johnson;

2. Dwayne Jarrett;

3. Ted Ginn Jr.

(other notable: Rice)

Let's continue this discussion...

 
JayMan said:
Might it come from a rookie?... Santonio Holmes / Chad Jackson / Greg Jennings / Brandon Marshall / Sinorice Moss?... Or even from the terrific college players that might be available in April... Ted Ginn Jr. / Dwayne Jarrett / Calvin Johnson / Sidney Rice / Jeff Samardzija?...
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Calvin Johnson. He's the only man on the planet that can almost make Reggie Ball look good.
 
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