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[H.K.]

Thanks guys!... Excellent insight inlcuded in the many replies...

I've tallied the votes (so far)... and I'm listing the players that get the "most love" (top3) in the diverse categories...

Established youngsters: guys that play regularly and that would cost the most to acquire in a [DYNASTY] league:

1. Roy Williams;

2. Javon Walker;

3. Andre Johnson.

(other notables: Houshmandzadeh / Branch / Bryant)

Young guns: talented guys that are getting (or will be getting) more opportunities and could develop into perenial stars:

1. Matt Jones;

2. Lee Evans;

3. Michael Clayton.

(other notables: Jenkins / Parker)

Diaper Dandies: Rookies or Sophomores where the sky's the limit:

1. Braylon Edwards;

2. Chad Jackson;

3. Reggie Brown.

(other notables: MarkClayton / VJackson / Jennings / Williamson)

Future thoughts: Guys that will still be touching a striped ball this year:

1. Calvin Johnson;

2. Dwayne Jarrett;

3. Ted Ginn Jr.

(other notable: Rice)

Let's continue this discussion...

Excellent recap, good work.

 

[H.K.]

Might it come from a rookie?... Santonio Holmes / Chad Jackson / Greg Jennings / Brandon Marshall / Sinorice Moss?... Or even from the terrific college players that might be available in April... Ted Ginn Jr. / Dwayne Jarrett / Calvin Johnson / Sidney Rice / Jeff Samardzija?...

Calvin Johnson. He's the only man on the planet that can almost make Reggie Ball look good.

CJ is the real deal. He's a man among boys right now. Can't leave GT soon enough as far as I am concerned!:clemsonhomer:

 

[cr8f]

Let's continue this discussion...

Mark Clayton and Greg Jennings.

 

[Tau837]

I really like Lee Evans. As of 8/10, FBG ADP shows him as being taken as the 24th WR off the board, although I took him in a recent draft as the 28th WR off the board.

Evans was WR24 and WR29 the past two seasons, with only 160 total targets and subpar QB play. Now Moulds, who had 276 targets over the past two seasons, is gone. Looking specifically at last season, Moulds got 129 targets and Evans 92 (tied for 41st in the league), yet Evans was WR29 and Moulds only WR35. This year, I expect Evans to get at least an additional 30 targets. Plus, I am hopeful the Bills' QB play might be at least a little better. All in all, Evans stands a very good chance of breaking the top 20.

 

[brakeyawself]

anyone likeing the antonio bryant/alex smith connection for at least 5 years?

 

[EBF]

I really like Lee Evans. As of 8/10, FBG ADP shows him as being taken as the 24th WR off the board, although I took him in a recent draft as the 28th WR off the board.Evans was WR24 and WR29 the past two seasons, with only 160 total targets and subpar QB play. Now Moulds, who had 276 targets over the past two seasons, is gone. Looking specifically at last season, Moulds got 129 targets and Evans 92 (tied for 41st in the league), yet Evans was WR29 and Moulds only WR35. This year, I expect Evans to get at least an additional 30 targets. Plus, I am hopeful the Bills' QB play might be at least a little better. All in all, Evans stands a very good chance of breaking the top 20.

 

[EBF]

anyone likeing the antonio bryant/alex smith connection for at least 5 years?

I don't know about five years, but I think they're going to surprise people this season. I think Bryant will be a top 20 WR.

 

[ChrisCooleyFan]

Jarrett Hicks Wr Texas Tech

 

[pettifogger]

anyone likeing the antonio bryant/alex smith connection for at least 5 years?

I don't know about five years, but I think they're going to surprise people this season. I think Bryant will be a top 20 WR.

I agree with this in part because the SF O line is revamped and much, much better, plus they are still a sub-.500 team and I expect some garbage time production to pad Bryant's stats too.

 

[brakeyawself]

anyone likeing the antonio bryant/alex smith connection for at least 5 years?

I don't know about five years, but I think they're going to surprise people this season. I think Bryant will be a top 20 WR.

I agree with this in part because the SF O line is revamped and much, much better, plus they are still a sub-.500 team and I expect some garbage time production to pad Bryant's stats too.

definitely agree. and i also think if alex smith even becomes just a 2nd or 3rd tier qb, bryants numbers will be great. all though probably his red zone catches a little lower because of V davis. But, i guess im also on an alex smith bandwagon this year. i think he's going to suprise (best qb in his draft class imo). I think he'll have the system down too.

 

[Shiver44]

Lee Evans

Roddy White

Matt Jones

That is my top trio of "up and comers."

 

[Sabertooth]

Greg ############# Jennings

 

[Tau837]

Lee EvansRoddy White Matt JonesThat is my top trio of "up and comers."

Oh yeah, I mentioned Evans above but forgot to mention White. Here is a recent post of mine about Roddy:

Previous post on White:

Posted this last month:

Last year, the Falcons attempted 451 passes, and the WRs caught 118. Here was the breakdown:

+----------------------+----+-----------------------+----------------------+| Name				 |  G |  RSH  YARD   AVG  TD  |  REC  YARD   AVG  TD |+----------------------+----+-----------------------+----------------------+| Romby Bryant		 |  3 |	0	 0   0.0   0  |	0	 0   0.0   0 || Brian Finneran	   | 16 |	0	 0   0.0   0  |   50   611  12.2   2 || Michael Jenkins	  | 14 |	0	 0   0.0   0  |   36   508  14.1   3 || Jerome Pathon		|  8 |	0	 0   0.0   0  |	1	18  18.0   0 || Dez White			|  6 |	0	 0   0.0   0  |	2	25  12.5   1 || Roddy White		  | 16 |	4	12   3.0   0  |   29   446  15.4   3 |+----------------------+----+-----------------------+----------------------+

Who here thinks Finneran will catch 50 again? I don't. In 2004, he was the #3 receiver with 23 catches, though he did also miss 4 games.Consider targets. Last season, here were the WR targets:Finneran 81Jenkins 71Roddy 68Dez 10Pathon 3Roddy White had only 29 catches last season, but he was targeted often. Clearly he was raw last season, and has potential for significant improvement this season. That could lead both to catching more of his targets and to being targeted more frequently.I could easily see White adding one catch per game, even if WR catches don't increase. That would leave Jenkins & Finneran to split the the other 70 from this trio last year. This would push him to 45 catches. If he maintains his ypc and TD % averages, that would give him a statline like this: 45/693/5Last year, that would have ranked as WR37. I think that qualifies as sleeper material... FBG says his current ADP is WR57.Now, is that the ceiling, either for White or this passing game? No. Add 50 more plays as was discussed earlier and call 20 of them passing plays, which would give Atlanta 471 passing attempts. WRs have caught ~26% of Atlanta's passes over the past two years, so that means a few more catches for the WRs. If White is the leading receiver, that could give him a few more catches.More importantly, is it possible for the WRs to get more passes this season? I think so. In 2002, Vick's best passing year, WRs caught 28.6% of Atlanta's 479 passing attempts. Entering his third year with the same coaching staff & offense, I could see Vick's confidence as improved, plus he is healthy unlike last year. So I could see him looking downfield more. If the WRs could catch 28.6% of 471 passes instead of 26%, that is 135 catches for the WRs, 17 more than last year. Again assuming White is the #1, or at least co-#1, that could be 7-10 more catches for him over the numbers I showed earlier. That could get him to 55/847/6... WR28 last year.Finally, consider his splits from last season:First 8 games: 8/94/0 receiving, with 23 targetsLast 8 games: 21/352/3, with 45 targetsIf he was able to carry his second half performance forward to this year and maintain it all season, that would be 90 targets and 42/704/6, which last season would have ranked as WR35.Looks to me like there is a reasonable chance for White to end up in the WR30-W40 range, and he is currently being drafted far below that. Hence, he would seem to be a good value.

The latest ADP posted at FBG shows him at WR53--very good value there.Also, it is worth noting that, while the average performance of Vick's WR1 hasn't been good, as posted previously in this thread, Finneran posted 56/838/6 and was WR31 in 2002. Not coincidentally, that season was Vick's career high in passing attempts. If his passing attempts go up this year, White could have a surprisingly good year.There are certainly those who have written off Vick and decided he simply isn't capable of improving as a passer. Those people will tend to ignore White. But anyone who thinks Vick still has potential to improve his passing, like I do, should be targeting White.

I posted that before Finneran got hurt. And also before I was aware Crumpler would miss the entire preseason due to recovery from knee surgery.As of 8/10, his ADP was WR49. White = value

 

[Billy1x]

Let's continue this discussion...

Mark Clayton and Greg Jennings.

Both are similar in that they came into the league with great route running skills. The only reason they weren't the 1st WRs drafted is because they didn't measure out perfectly. Most teams would rather go high risk with upside rather than taking a solid player. Clayton has been limited by injuries and QB play last year.Both have one issue long term. Their current QBs could play one more year or they could go for 4 more. This will have an effect on there future numbers. Also, the Ravens could be looking at new coach next year but then again if its Martz that would be a good thing.

 

[brakeyawself]

This might be a year or two away, but im putting Sinorice Moss down. He was drafted pretty high, and i think deveredly so. He's only an inch shorter and like 8 pounds lighter than steve smith, and faster. he's only like two inches shorter than his brother too. Im not gonna say he'll for sure be a top 10 reciever at any point, but despite his size, he's got the tools. He's speed is evil.... and he's in a great position in ny, with manning throwing the ball, and toomer waiting for his social security checks.

 

[Bob_Magaw]

no doubt roy williams & andre johnson have the raw talent & natural ability to be dominant & potential top 3-5 in the future (guys like steve smith, chad johnson, fitzgeral & boldin aren't exactly old), but if you try & acquire them you will find out a lot of the upside is already priced in...

i agree lee evans, who has been compared to marvin harrison & ALSO may have top 5 ability (has everyting but their height, and may be smoother route runner & have more creative & elusive RAC skills), and since i'm guessing he can be had cheaper in many leagues, is arguably the more compelling value.

mark clayton put up monster numbers towards last third or quarter of the season... like top 5-10 numbers. making the transition to the next level he was called one of the most pro ready WRs in his draft for his smooth, polished route running, great hands & dynamic, explosive RAC ability... these traits are all reminiscent of evans. he isn't stopwatch fast like evans, & i'm not sure if the scouts thought of him as a burner, but he did clock a 4.4 at COMBINE (or workout?), & he PLAYS fast with outstanding game speed. he won't be primary target in his offense like evans (that would be mason & heap), but that could help him as he will predominantly draw single coverage for a few years, & mason is in his 30s & clayton has goods to eventually be WR1... in the meantime he could be one of the better WR2s in the league... not sure if he puts up reggie wayne numbers, but he could finish close.

greg jennings also represents outstanding value IMO as he may emerge as the best WR from this class but is generally cheaper than holmes, jackson & moss. he has a lot of same attributes as evans & clayton in terms of maturity, sophisticated route running ability, hands & RAC ability (one of top punt returners in the nation last year). he also supposedly wasn't a burner but helped himself with a 4.4 clocking at Combine, & in some of the quickness & change of direction drills, was as fast or actually faster than the other top WR prospects from class of 06. like clayton not top receiving option for his team, which means he should see a lot of single coverage as defenses rightly focus on driver (also in his 30s i think?). when WRs look as good as he has this early (at a position that historically takes 2-3 years to ramp up to speed) and is ahead of the curve developmentally relative to his peers, it can bode very well & be strong indicator of future success.

troy williamson has a lot of talent & is now in even more of a position to succeed.

 

[-OZ-]

Matt Jones

Roy Williams

Braylon Edwards

Lee Evans

Reggie Brown

Greg Jennings

4/6 ain't bad.

 

[Chubbs]

James Jones sshhh

 

[Doctor Detroit]

I say Roy Williams too and I think he is out in front by a good clip. If they can find a way to get him the ball he has skills like very few WRs I've ever seen. Oh, and I'm not a Lions fan either. One guy that I may be biased toward is Braylon Edwards. He runs very crisp routes, he is smart, and the only WR I've ever seen adjust to the ball better on a deep ball is Moss. The injury sets him back a year but if he comes back strong the guy is going to be a beast. He has all the tools to be a great one. Oh, and I'm a Michigan fan.

You don't make many Shark Pool predictions but man you are when you do.

 

[Burning Sensation]

I say Roy Williams too and I think he is out in front by a good clip. If they can find a way to get him the ball he has skills like very few WRs I've ever seen. Oh, and I'm not a Lions fan either. One guy that I may be biased toward is Braylon Edwards. He runs very crisp routes, he is smart, and the only WR I've ever seen adjust to the ball better on a deep ball is Moss. The injury sets him back a year but if he comes back strong the guy is going to be a beast. He has all the tools to be a great one. Oh, and I'm a Michigan fan.

You don't make many Shark Pool predictions but man you are when you do.

While he was correct, they were not very bold calls, both Williams and Edwards were top 5 picks in the NFL draft.

 

[Doctor Detroit]

I say Roy Williams too and I think he is out in front by a good clip. If they can find a way to get him the ball he has skills like very few WRs I've ever seen. Oh, and I'm not a Lions fan either. One guy that I may be biased toward is Braylon Edwards. He runs very crisp routes, he is smart, and the only WR I've ever seen adjust to the ball better on a deep ball is Moss. The injury sets him back a year but if he comes back strong the guy is going to be a beast. He has all the tools to be a great one. Oh, and I'm a Michigan fan.

You don't make many Shark Pool predictions but man you are when you do.

While he was correct, they were not very bold calls, both Williams and Edwards were top 5 picks in the NFL draft.

Williams was 7th.

 

[Burning Sensation]

I say Roy Williams too and I think he is out in front by a good clip. If they can find a way to get him the ball he has skills like very few WRs I've ever seen. Oh, and I'm not a Lions fan either. One guy that I may be biased toward is Braylon Edwards. He runs very crisp routes, he is smart, and the only WR I've ever seen adjust to the ball better on a deep ball is Moss. The injury sets him back a year but if he comes back strong the guy is going to be a beast. He has all the tools to be a great one. Oh, and I'm a Michigan fan.

You don't make many Shark Pool predictions but man you are when you do.

While he was correct, they were not very bold calls, both Williams and Edwards were top 5 picks in the NFL draft.

Williams was 7th.

Sorry, i thought i remember him being picked 5th. Point is still the same though, just turning the 5 into a 7.

 

[Sabertooth]

Gotta love a homer bumping his own thread though. I've been trying to acquire ROY for some time, looks like I can put the kabosh or that. Oh well.