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Young WR Battle: Greg Jennings vs. Marques Colston - Who do you like (1 Viewer)

Jennings or Colston?

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  • Colston

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Englishteacher

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Jennings was the 2nd Round Draft Pick who wowed in the preseason. After a slow Week 1 he's come on in Weeks 2 and 3. The Packers will be awful this year. For 2007, you'd think Favre will be gone leaving the to date unimpressive Rogers throwing him the ball. It looks like it will have to get worse for a year or two in Green Bay before they turn it around. He has an older Donald Driver across from him.

Colston came out of nowhere, 7th round pick. Some thought he'd be a TE. In essence, a similar description of Mike Williams. The Saints liked him enough that they traded Donte' Stallworth in whom the Eagles, hamstring injury aside, have been well pleased. Of top shelf QB's with serious injuries that changed teams, Drew Brees looks like the better QB right now over Culpepper so NO's may have made a good choice there. If Brees can stay healthy he provides a steady Qb presence with winning experience. The Saints look to be a much better team than Green Bay right now. Maybe they are ahead in the rebuilding race. Heck, they're in the playoff race right now but let's see if it keeps up. Obviously, with Sean Payton and a new regime aboard and the return to the Super Bowl, plus three wins, the morale is really high. Still 13 games to go. And, Colston has looked like Mike Williams was supposed to. He's playing opposite Joe Horn.

There are many ways to tackle this question. We'll talk about that in just a moment. But for the purposes of this poll, I asked for a combination of redraft and dynasty consideration. Obviously these guys arrived on the scene way before we expected them to so I think we should talk about both. Now for different approaches on how to crack this one open.

How about overall talent? Does Jennings get the nod just because he was a second round pick or was Colston just severely misevaluated and is in truth just as talented, or moreso?

They seem to be two different types of WR's. Colston is a big, possession type WR while Jennings is a speedier guy. Perhaps a Z and an X WR. In comparing Colston versus Jennings, will Colston's speed limit the amount of yards he will accrue and his value or will the fact that he's a possession receiver garner him enough overall catches and passes to his big frame in the red zone to trump Jennings? Does Jennings have enough explosiveness, fluidity, and craftiness to become such a dangerous target that he'll get separation from Colston? If they're both equally as good at their respective "strengths", then who is better typically for fantasy? An outstanding X or an outstanding Z?

How about the players respective quarterbacking situations? Favre is in the twilight of his career but he proved last year and thusfar this season that with Ahman green playing he's a much better Quarterback. In 2006 he might just play well enough against bad and mediocre teams to put up serious numbers. And is Drew Brees out of the woods yet? You'd guess that if he can stay healthy he'd provide a much better long term situation for Colston obviously as Rogers hasn't proven anything yet. But, we've already followed the damage such an injury caused to a QB's career in Chad Pennington. He reinjured himself a couple of times. Is Colston safe in 2006 or beyond? And after we summarily buried Pennigton and thought he'd be a turnstyle QB this year he's picked himself up by the bootstraps in 2006 and lit the league on fire. Would Brees duplicate Pennington's rally if he were to have a setback with the shoulder?

What about the direction of the franchises? Sean Payton has momentarily floated New Orleans and everyone is pulling for the Saints but will a multiple decade long history of losing revisit the franchise if the emotion runs out? McCarthy will be given time to resurrect Green Bay? Will we see another Green Bay dynasty emerge or will the Packers return to the doldrums in and of their small market which we saw transcended by the arrival of legendary, era defining, Hall of Fame players at Quarterback and Defensive End (Reggie White). Tom Benson has taken a small bit of public relations boon since he owns a pro sports team in a city that experience perhaps our worst ever national public disaster. But, this is the same guy who wanted to move the team to San Antonio last year so does he deserve the credit? And after he benefits from the swoon in public support, will he return to be one of the absolute worst owners in the NFL, ignoring the plight of his team to just count the dollars and cents in the bank account while the losing seasons roll by just like the Bidwell's have in Arizona for an even longer period of time?

How about coaching? Payton has been the understudy in Parcells coaching tree for quite some time now and he's earned his chance. Does he have the moxie to keep this start up? Is he one of the guys around that can make a team better just by himself? Or would a lack of support from inside the organization ultimately strand this guy on an island to the point where this test of his as a head coach returns him to the ranks of assistants that we've seen so much in the NFL, never making his mark as a career type head caoch? And what about Mike McCarthy? Was a year in SF really a fair way to evaluate him or was it truly indicative of his worth as a head coach. Did he really deserve the job in Green Bay? Was it wise of the team to just take the next guy avalable from the Green Bay coaching tree? Can he be the type of rebuilding architect someone like Jimmy Johnson was?

How about complementary WR's? Joe Horn and Driver have both been studs in previous years but are getting old. Who benefits more from their elder this year, Colston or Jennings? Will one elder yield to his understudy more because of a decline in skills or an injury? Will one of the elders garner enough attention to create single coverage to either Jennings or Colston to their benefit? Which WR, Horn or Driver will be out of football first, making the young guy the #1 WR on his team, an obvious benefit for a young wideout's dynasty prospects? Do Driver or Horn have enough left in their tanks to turn in dominant 2006 performances that would kill the younger guys' fantasy seasons? Will either team's offense support production from two WR's in 2006? How about the potential in 2007 if the teams get better?

And how about the run games? Does Ahman Green give Green Bay enough oomph to keep the Packers competitive offensively and will he make it through 2006? Would we see such a huge stall if Green were hurt, leaving Morency and Herron to take over, that the Packers would never recover? Which is better for Jennings, a bad or a good run game? The combination of Deuce and Reggie has been a big hit so far, is this versatility and depth enough to keep the Saints dangerous on offense? Will their combination overshadow Colston potentially or propel him towards stardom?

How about he Offensive Lines? Everyone knows that the big guys up front that we don't hear about make or break offenses. The Packers have a couple of solid Tackles but will their younger interior players step up? Jamaal Brooks was a rookie stud at Right Tackle last year but was he meant to play the all important Left Tackle position and do so in his second year? With LT Wayne Gandy jettisoned and LeCharles Bentley signed by the Browns, what do the Saints actually have here?

What about the defenses? When did the Saints learn to play defense? Or have they? Is this just a mirage like the Saints' improbable start could be? Is this D really more talented than last year's? I'd guess not, at least not substantially, are they being coached up? If they are being coached up, will it last? Does a change in coaching staff really make that much of a difference? Or, are they FOR REAL??? :o And on to the Packers, :X . For fantasy purposes they're doing all-right. But they've given up a ton of yards. It stands to reason that a defense that stays on the field for long times will have more chances to make scoring fantasy defense plays. So, this could be the case. But does this unit have potential and it's really the offenses fault they're out there so much? I'd say it's actually both. So we have a Saints D we're confused about and a Green Bay Defense that will at least yield lots of points, making the game a shootout situation for the offense.

So what's the best scenario, fantasy wise, either Colston or Jennings could encounter? A potentially good defense that provides opportunity for the offense in New Orleans case? If so, is the offense strong enough that it takes advantage early, scores points, and allows them to become run oriented? Or will they struggle enough that they'll have to rely on the pass still to generate offense? Will New Orleans slide back toward their awfulness of 2005 or will their strong 2006 defensive start regress towards a mean of mediocrity? I think if New Orleans has a terrible or mediocre defense, their run game will provide enough support to the passing game that Colston and the offense can produce in games where they have to throw or need to throw respective to them being terrible or mediocre. Difficult sentence, sorry. Do constant shootout situations for Green Bay provide the best opportunity for passing production? If this happens and the Packers lose Ahman Green is this a recipe for disaster? Is there any potential for the Packers to develop a stout defense? I guess I'd have figured out the number of ways you could get your hashbrowns done at the Waffle House if I were to multiply the 3 possibilities of defenses (good, mediocre, bad) times the three types of offenses (good, mediocre, bad).

Lastly, are these guys for real? Both have turned in at least a couple great games. Can we expect this to continue and them to become consistent fantasy performers or will the usual inconsistency from rookie wideouts be the norm throughout the season? And, will these guys be dominant WR's in the future?

If you'd like to answer any of these questions, provide your own analysis in support support of Jennings or Colston, and just advocate either one, please add your voice to the discussion. :thumbup:

I'm sure owners; whether they're involved in redraft, keeper (I guess I said dynasty but their close enough), or dynasty leagues, will be glad you did.

Thanks for speaking up! :wub:

 
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In a redrafter for this season I believe that Jennings has greater value with Favre throwing all the time. However, in a dynasty league I like Colston because they have stability at the QB position for several years whereas Favre is likely to be in his last season with the Packers.

 
i am lucky enough to have both in my dynasty league

both are good talents, for me it seems to be coming down to weekly matchups as to which one i start

 
Englishteacher said:
They seem to be two different types of WR's. Colston is a big, possession type WR while Jennings is a speedier guy. Perhaps a Z and an X WR. In comparing Colston versus Jennings, will Colston's speed limit the amount of yards he will accrue and his value or will the fact that he's a possession receiver garner him enough overall catches and passes to his big frame in the red zone to trump Jennings? Does Jennings have enough explosiveness, fluidity, and craftiness to become such a dangerous target that he'll get separation from Colston? If they're both equally as good at their respective "strengths", then who is better typically for fantasy? An outstanding X or an outstanding Z?
http://www.nfl.com/draft/profiles/2006/jennings_greghttp://www.nfl.com/draft/profiles/2006/colston_marques

Granted straight line speed obviously isn't everything, and this was in just one run, but at the combine, Colston was actually a little bit faster than Jennings despite being 27lbs heavier at the time. If you watched the game on Monday night, I thought Colston showed plenty of speed on that 25+ yard gain that saw him bulldoze a few Falcons in the process. I went to Hofstra, and know a few guys that played with Colston and the general consensus is that no one is surprised with his ability thus far. When he was healthy, he was a man amongst boys and coaches actually had to limit the amount of working out he was allowed to do because of his ability to balloon up and put on muscle so easily that it began to effect his speed a little. He's apparently a bit lighter right now than he was in college and I think he's gained a step or two...although one of the LBers I know swears Marques used to run in the 4.4s back in college. Bottom line, to me, is that he seems to have the rare combination of size, strength speed and ability, combined with a real good situation to make me believe he's going to be putting up solid numbers in this league for a few years.

 
Bottom line, to me, is that he seems to have the rare combination of size, strength speed and ability, combined with a real good situation to make me believe he's going to be putting up solid numbers in this league for a few years.
:goodposting: Not that anyone cares about my dynasty team, but I have both, have been starting both, and feel very fortunate. This team was horrid at WR when I took it over. I drafted Jennings in the late 2nd round. I picked up Colston a week before the hype started in late-August when I read about him running with the first team. So, I want them both to succeed and don't have a favorite.

I think the quote above is right on. Oddly, Colston will probably turn out to be the best WR among these rookies long-term, Jackson and Holmes included. He looks very comfortable at this level, the game comes to him easily, he is a physical presence, he has some natural instincts that separate him from the others, and he's off to a great start.

 
I hear you guys saying Colston does have speed. I don't know as much about him although I did pick him up in my CHUG (see sig) league so I've obviously been paying attention. I thought he ran like a 4.5 or something, which is pretty speedy for a possession type WR. But are you guys at all saying he has breakaway type speed because I can dig on the other good stuff about him very easily. With NFL type training and conditioning, could he get lean enough to have breakaway type type speed while still maintaining his power? I guess you think of 4.3 as breakaway type speed, 4.4 as X WR type speed, and 4.5 good to great speed for a possession type or functional speed for an top level type wideout. Of course Jerry Rice ran a 4.6 but let's not go there. And, Ernest Wilford ran a 4.7 if I'm not mistaken and he's having a pretty productive career as a possession-red zone type. That's about the range you'll see guys. So where is he? I always thought if Keyshawn could have run more than 2 feet after the catch he'd have been deadly.

And what was Jennings?

Additionally, there's timed speed and playing speed which incorporates more things like quickness and instincts. I believe Jennings is supposed to be pretty good in this area no?

 
In a redrafter for this season I believe that Jennings has greater value with Favre throwing all the time. However, in a dynasty league I like Colston because they have stability at the QB position for several years whereas Favre is likely to be in his last season with the Packers.
I very much agree.Now, the biggest question is, how much longer will Favre stick around. Jennings seems to be a fave of Favre (say that 5 times fast) though not to the extent that Driver is. And then of course, the Aaron Rodgers question - how will he be and will he lean towards the younger guy or the vet. And will it matter?Brees is young and has definitely locked onto Colston. He will probably be a solid QB for several years to come - years that Jennings will have when Rodgers (if he is indeed the future) starts will be rougher IMO. I also think overall NO is closer to good than GB will be for a while.I think in terms of ability, Jennings might be the better guy but overall (including situation) I lean towards Colston.
 
It's a tough call ... I could see both of these guys making the NFC Pro Bowl squad with regularity in the very near future.

 
Greg Jennings reminds me of Chambers when he entered the league 5 years ago. He plays bigger than he is. Difference is he has Brett Favre instead of jay Fiedler tossing the ball, and he also has a decent WR across from him. Teams will not be double covering Greg jennings right now.

Colston is benefiting from Drew Brees who seems to love big targets and Colston is providing that for him right now.

I actually like Jennings better in a redraft league. I think they could be pretty even at this point in dynasty leagues. I would think you could trade them in dynasty leagues for more proven veterans that can help ypu win this year.

 
In a redrafter for this season I believe that Jennings has greater value with Favre throwing all the time. However, in a dynasty league I like Colston because they have stability at the QB position for several years whereas Favre is likely to be in his last season with the Packers.
This here is the correct answer...
 
NO has played no body as of yet. The ATL game was a MNF game with the home team pumped up playing a depleted defense and having an early ST score. NO has played no body yet, I said it again.

 
Jennings or Colston?Jennings [ 32 ] [50.00%]Colston [ 32 ] [50.00%]
Wow. That's what I call parity.
Is it you just can't go wrong with either? That's an emphatic statement for both right there if that's the case. :shock: :eek: :jawdrop:
The only way you'd go wrong with Jennings is if Rodgers doesn't develop.For Colston, as odd as it is to say, he may be the safer bet long term, although I like Jennings a lot.ETA: Where has Colston lined up? If he's in the slot and performing, it means less than being the #2 WR and performing.
 
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Who do you like better factoring in both redraft and dynasty?

Jennings or Colston?

Jennings [ 51 ] [56.67%]

Colston [ 39 ] [43.33%]

Total Votes: 90

Jennings pulling away a little.

 
Jennings or Colston?Jennings [ 32 ] [50.00%]Colston [ 32 ] [50.00%]
Wow. That's what I call parity.
Is it you just can't go wrong with either? That's an emphatic statement for both right there if that's the case. :shock: :eek: :jawdrop:
The only way you'd go wrong with Jennings is if Rodgers doesn't develop.For Colston, as odd as it is to say, he may be the safer bet long term, although I like Jennings a lot.ETA: Where has Colston lined up? If he's in the slot and performing, it means less than being the #2 WR and performing.
Colston lines up at split end, Horn at flanker, Dev Henderson in the slot ...
 
In a redrafter for this season I believe that Jennings has greater value with Favre throwing all the time. However, in a dynasty league I like Colston because they have stability at the QB position for several years whereas Favre is likely to be in his last season with the Packers.
I completely agree with the assessment and I personally also like Colston better because he didn't cost me a draft pick. I got the guy after week 1 which makes him an enormous value and I love that.
 
guy just picked up Jennings in my main money league where we have very small rosters. Was trying to move one of my WR's in a trade and then pick him up. All of my WR's were money so I wasn't going to drop any of them. :wall:

 
Jennings, for these reasons:

1. Favre throws more.

2. Jennings is the bigger name and the higher draft pick and the better prospect. He's less likely to fade.

 
Jennings can be a number one receiver if Driver goes down.

Colston is more of an unknown. Is he capable of being the guy if Horn goes down?

 
They are both playmakers who have earned the trust of their pro-bowl QBs. I'd much rather have either then somebody like Lee Evans, Chris Chambers, Santana Moss, etc.

 
bump after another week of games
I think the majority is getting this wrongColston 20-336-3

Jennings 15-259-2

Both excellent starts, but if you've watched a bunch of Charger football over the past couple years, there's something familiar about the way Brees and Colston work and Antonio Gates. As long as Colston can battle his way to the right spot, a catchable ball will be there. I don't see this changing. I just see them getting better and better. 12 TDs is not out of the question for Colston as a rookie. I doubt Jennings keeps pace. Horn is already WR2. Driver remains WR1 all year.

 

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