Punxsutawney Phil
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The 2 months of trying to cover up the virus is going to be China's Chernobyl event.
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Your Feelings Towards China (1 Viewer)
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fantasycurse42
Footballguy Jr.
My feelings on China:
I've been stewing on these feelings for a while, and while I have no ill will towards any Chinese American citizens, and not really for those citizens in China, the CCP is the most terrible poisonous regime on Earth. They're truly a disgusting authoritarian party.
The Wuhan coverup should be the final nail in the coffin for these #######s. I'm not talking about war on a battlefield, but I do believe everyone in the world should star taking actions that will directly impact China:
Corporations need to start removing all supply chain from China and looking for other developing nations, governments need to levy tariffs to punish those businesses that don't remove supply chain from China, and most importantly, as citizens of anywhere on Earth outside of China, we need to be cognizant of things made in China and avoid at all costs.
Just because they'll be the first country to fix this disaster they have unleashed on everyone with their irresponsibility, doesn't mean they should be rewarded.
I've been stewing on these feelings for a while, and while I have no ill will towards any Chinese American citizens, and not really for those citizens in China, the CCP is the most terrible poisonous regime on Earth. They're truly a disgusting authoritarian party.
The Wuhan coverup should be the final nail in the coffin for these #######s. I'm not talking about war on a battlefield, but I do believe everyone in the world should star taking actions that will directly impact China:
Corporations need to start removing all supply chain from China and looking for other developing nations, governments need to levy tariffs to punish those businesses that don't remove supply chain from China, and most importantly, as citizens of anywhere on Earth outside of China, we need to be cognizant of things made in China and avoid at all costs.
Just because they'll be the first country to fix this disaster they have unleashed on everyone with their irresponsibility, doesn't mean they should be rewarded.
Chaz McNulty
Footballguy
This is strange to me. In Canada I have never heard anyone talking like this regarding China.
Da Guru
Fair & Balanced
Would you want your family to be welded into your apartment or home by the government?
I work and am friends with engineers from China who have lived in the states for decades. When they talk about how bad the Chinese government is to the people they still look around and whisper.
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fantasycurse42
Footballguy Jr.
So what do you say about the country of China, specifically the CCP?
Ive read reports that incinerators burned for over a month straight in Wuhan. They lied about everything, covered up, punished everyone who spoke up, and have put the world in jeopardy. Oh, and they’re trying to put propaganda out that somehow this was brought to Wuhan by American soldiers; the country is a ####### nightmare.
Da Guru
Fair & Balanced
It always has been. Not the people but the government.fantasycurse42 said:
As I have stated from being there the people in China are for the most part uniformed because of censure and have no idea what is going on. A Chinese friend who I work with still thinks much of the Chinese population has no idea about Wuhan or how bad it is there ,or how it started there and has been transmitted around the globe now. In some ways many areas of China are not much different than N Korea in terms of public knowledge of what goes on.
fantasycurse42
Footballguy Jr.
@Slapdashfantasycurse42 said:
You called me a xenophobe, please defend your comments. My ill will isn't towards a group of people, it's towards the ruling party of a country, as I've mapped out numerous times. I wouldn't be surprised if more than half the population there had no idea what was going on in the world or with this virus (due to information suppression and propaganda). The ruling party is disgusting and needs to be stopped. Good thing is, everyone will probably hate the CCP when this is over.
Certainly was not making that remark about you in particular, more attitudes towards China in general. Only just realized you were the OP, so I can see how you took it that way. Not my intent.
fantasycurse42
Footballguy Jr.
Okay, felt like that. FWIW, I obviously know this has nothing to do with Asian Americans, or Asians anywhere, honestly. My feelings are strictly directed at the government in China.
fantasycurse42
Footballguy Jr.
I see that, apologies. I think, for sizable parts of the populace (when comparing the US to Canada), that distinction is less true. And that can bleed through the media and attitudes. That was the point. No interesting in defending the Chinese gov't, who certainly suppressed and downplayed this virus early.
ren hoek
Footballguy
fantasycurse42
Footballguy Jr.
https://www.cnbc.com/2020/05/13/more-than-80-kids-in-new-york-city-have-coronavirus-inflammatory-syndrome-mayor-de-blasio-says.html
Why hasn't China mentioned anything about this? Shouldn't they be months ahead of us on this stuff?
I hate the Communist Party of China more than anything!
Why hasn't China mentioned anything about this? Shouldn't they be months ahead of us on this stuff?
I hate the Communist Party of China more than anything!
Summer Wheat
Footballguy
Thunderlips
Footballguy
China is here. They've been fighting for centuries. The Chinese mix everything up. Look what they have to work with; Buddhism, Confucianism, Taoist alchemy and sorcery......they take what they want and leave the rest......just like a salad bar.
Gr00vus
Footballguy
Don't Toews Me
Footballguy
The Chinese Communist Party just showed Jack Ma — and the rest of us — who’s boss
Don't piss off the Party, Jack.
Don't piss off the Party, Jack.
Don't Toews Me
Footballguy
Da Guru
Fair & Balanced
Manster
Footballguy
We did....a long time ago. Back in those days, that's what was happening......today is a different age.
As for China, they suppressed information about covid. Not cool....
I believe Trump was correct in standing up to the Chinese gub......I just wish he was better at not pissing off our allies.
Moving forward, China is going to be our biggest challenge.......we, as Americans have become complacent and lazy. We fight amongst ourselves cuz we don't truly know what it's like to just try to survive.....we have taken our great life here for granted.....The Chinese gub will continue to use that against us as they expand their own interests.....or maybe sleepy joe can be a master diplomat...he's got like 47 years of experience for Gods sake!
Don't Toews Me
Footballguy
https://twitter.com/LizAnnSonders/status/1327235219833798656
I don't find the following particularly surprising: https://finance.yahoo.com/news/china-president-xi-jinping-personally-073400055.html
Chart at link^
I don't find the following particularly surprising: https://finance.yahoo.com/news/china-president-xi-jinping-personally-073400055.html
Da Guru
Fair & Balanced
China is no threat. Come on man....We did....a long time ago. Back in those days, that's what was happening......today is a different age.
As for China, they suppressed information about covid. Not cool....
I believe Trump was correct in standing up to the Chinese gub......I just wish he was better at not pissing off our allies.
Moving forward, China is going to be our biggest challenge.......we, as Americans have become complacent and lazy. We fight amongst ourselves cuz we don't truly know what it's like to just try to survive.....we have taken our great life here for granted.....The Chinese gub will continue to use that against us as they expand their own interests.....or maybe sleepy joe can be a master diplomat...he's got like 47 years of experience for Gods sake!
Don't Toews Me
Footballguy
https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/national-security/china-has-done-human-testing-create-biologically-enhanced-super-soldiers-n1249914?fbclid=IwAR1AZHCu5iQLYVHAS4lTbXBJl2y__BBvpl_Tb8nbQJP_Io1tg6G3BzMOyb4
I don't find this particularly surprising. In fact, I would find it surprising if China, given how they've conducted themselves as a nation, wouldn't look into gene doping to enhance the biological and physical abilities of it's soldiers.
Don't Toews Me
Footballguy
McChrystal sounds the alarm bells: https://www.axios.com/stanley-mcchrystal-china-biden-79c82cc2-cc32-48e1-be08-a0605c6afccf.html
Da Guru
Fair & Balanced
At this point in time why would the USA, China or Russia want a full scale war with each other? What would be the long term benefit to any of the countries?
GordonGekko
Footballguy
Ben Shapiro on China’s Oppression of its Ugyhur Minority
786,506 views •Jul 22, 2020
Taken from JRE #1512 w/Ben Shapiro
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=11sfIop-dDs
Are We Heading for War With China?
2,088,153 views •Apr 27, 2020
Taken from JRE #1465 w/Tim Pool
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rzSQruPTf3Y
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https://www.theatlantic.com/international/archive/2015/09/united-states-china-war-thucydides-trap/406756/
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Thucydides_Trap
The Thucydides Trap: Are the U.S. and China Headed for War?
In 12 of 16 past cases in which a rising power has confronted a ruling power, the result has been bloodshed.
Graham Allison September 24, 2015
.....The defining question about global order for this generation is whether China and the United States can escape Thucydides’s Trap. The Greek historian’s metaphor reminds us of the attendant dangers when a rising power rivals a ruling power—as Athens challenged Sparta in ancient Greece, or as Germany did Britain a century ago. Most such contests have ended badly, often for both nations, a team of mine at the Harvard Belfer Center for Science and International Affairs has concluded after analyzing the historical record. In 12 of 16 cases over the past 500 years, the result was war. When the parties avoided war, it required huge, painful adjustments in attitudes and actions on the part not just of the challenger but also the challenged.
Based on the current trajectory, war between the United States and China in the decades ahead is not just possible, but much more likely than recognized at the moment. Indeed, judging by the historical record, war is more likely than not. Moreover, current underestimations and misapprehensions of the hazards inherent in the U.S.-China relationship contribute greatly to those hazards. A risk associated with Thucydides’s Trap is that business as usual—not just an unexpected, extraordinary event—can trigger large-scale conflict. When a rising power is threatening to displace a ruling power, standard crises that would otherwise be contained, like the assassination of an archduke in 1914, can initiate a cascade of reactions that, in turn, produce outcomes none of the parties would otherwise have chosen.....
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More than 2,400 years ago, the Athenian historian Thucydides offered a powerful insight: “It was the rise of Athens, and the fear that this inspired in Sparta, that made war inevitable.” Others identified an array of contributing causes of the Peloponnesian War. But Thucydides went to the heart of the matter, focusing on the inexorable, structural stress caused by a rapid shift in the balance of power between two rivals. Note that Thucydides identified two key drivers of this dynamic: the rising power’s growing entitlement, sense of its importance, and demand for greater say and sway, on the one hand, and the fear, insecurity, and determination to defend the status quo this engenders in the established power, on the other.
In the case about which he wrote in the fifth century B.C., Athens had emerged over a half century as a steeple of civilization, yielding advances in philosophy, history, drama, architecture, democracy, and naval prowess. This shocked Sparta, which for a century had been the leading land power on the Peloponnese peninsula. As Thucydides saw it, Athens’s position was understandable. As its clout grew, so too did its self-confidence, its consciousness of past injustices, its sensitivity to instances of disrespect, and its insistence that previous arrangements be revised to reflect new realities of power. It was also natural, Thucydides explained, that Sparta interpreted the Athenian posture as unreasonable, ungrateful, and threatening to the system it had established—and within which Athens had flourished.
Thucydides chronicled objective changes in relative power, but he also focused on perceptions of change among the leaders of Athens and Sparta—and how this led each to strengthen alliances with other states in the hopes of counterbalancing the other. But entanglement runs both ways. (It was for this reason that George Washington famously cautioned America to beware of “entangling alliances.”) When conflict broke out between the second-tier city-states of Corinth and Corcyra (now Corfu), Sparta felt it necessary to come to Corinth’s defense, which left Athens little choice but to back its ally. The Peloponnesian War followed. When it ended 30 years later, Sparta was the nominal victor. But both states lay in ruin, leaving Greece vulnerable to the Persians......Today, China has displaced the United States as the world’s largest economy measured in terms of the amount of goods and services a citizen can buy in his own country (purchasing power parity).
What Xi Jinping calls the “China Dream” expresses the deepest aspirations of hundreds of millions of Chinese, who wish to be not only rich but also powerful. At the core of China’s civilizational creed is the belief—or conceit—that China is the center of the universe. In the oft-repeated narrative, a century of Chinese weakness led to exploitation and national humiliation by Western colonialists and Japan. In Beijing’s view, China is now being restored to its rightful place, where its power commands recognition of and respect for China’s core interests.
786,506 views •Jul 22, 2020
Taken from JRE #1512 w/Ben Shapiro
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=11sfIop-dDs
Are We Heading for War With China?
2,088,153 views •Apr 27, 2020
Taken from JRE #1465 w/Tim Pool
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rzSQruPTf3Y
********
https://www.theatlantic.com/international/archive/2015/09/united-states-china-war-thucydides-trap/406756/
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Thucydides_Trap
The Thucydides Trap: Are the U.S. and China Headed for War?
In 12 of 16 past cases in which a rising power has confronted a ruling power, the result has been bloodshed.
Graham Allison September 24, 2015
.....The defining question about global order for this generation is whether China and the United States can escape Thucydides’s Trap. The Greek historian’s metaphor reminds us of the attendant dangers when a rising power rivals a ruling power—as Athens challenged Sparta in ancient Greece, or as Germany did Britain a century ago. Most such contests have ended badly, often for both nations, a team of mine at the Harvard Belfer Center for Science and International Affairs has concluded after analyzing the historical record. In 12 of 16 cases over the past 500 years, the result was war. When the parties avoided war, it required huge, painful adjustments in attitudes and actions on the part not just of the challenger but also the challenged.
Based on the current trajectory, war between the United States and China in the decades ahead is not just possible, but much more likely than recognized at the moment. Indeed, judging by the historical record, war is more likely than not. Moreover, current underestimations and misapprehensions of the hazards inherent in the U.S.-China relationship contribute greatly to those hazards. A risk associated with Thucydides’s Trap is that business as usual—not just an unexpected, extraordinary event—can trigger large-scale conflict. When a rising power is threatening to displace a ruling power, standard crises that would otherwise be contained, like the assassination of an archduke in 1914, can initiate a cascade of reactions that, in turn, produce outcomes none of the parties would otherwise have chosen.....
* * *
More than 2,400 years ago, the Athenian historian Thucydides offered a powerful insight: “It was the rise of Athens, and the fear that this inspired in Sparta, that made war inevitable.” Others identified an array of contributing causes of the Peloponnesian War. But Thucydides went to the heart of the matter, focusing on the inexorable, structural stress caused by a rapid shift in the balance of power between two rivals. Note that Thucydides identified two key drivers of this dynamic: the rising power’s growing entitlement, sense of its importance, and demand for greater say and sway, on the one hand, and the fear, insecurity, and determination to defend the status quo this engenders in the established power, on the other.
In the case about which he wrote in the fifth century B.C., Athens had emerged over a half century as a steeple of civilization, yielding advances in philosophy, history, drama, architecture, democracy, and naval prowess. This shocked Sparta, which for a century had been the leading land power on the Peloponnese peninsula. As Thucydides saw it, Athens’s position was understandable. As its clout grew, so too did its self-confidence, its consciousness of past injustices, its sensitivity to instances of disrespect, and its insistence that previous arrangements be revised to reflect new realities of power. It was also natural, Thucydides explained, that Sparta interpreted the Athenian posture as unreasonable, ungrateful, and threatening to the system it had established—and within which Athens had flourished.
Thucydides chronicled objective changes in relative power, but he also focused on perceptions of change among the leaders of Athens and Sparta—and how this led each to strengthen alliances with other states in the hopes of counterbalancing the other. But entanglement runs both ways. (It was for this reason that George Washington famously cautioned America to beware of “entangling alliances.”) When conflict broke out between the second-tier city-states of Corinth and Corcyra (now Corfu), Sparta felt it necessary to come to Corinth’s defense, which left Athens little choice but to back its ally. The Peloponnesian War followed. When it ended 30 years later, Sparta was the nominal victor. But both states lay in ruin, leaving Greece vulnerable to the Persians......Today, China has displaced the United States as the world’s largest economy measured in terms of the amount of goods and services a citizen can buy in his own country (purchasing power parity).
What Xi Jinping calls the “China Dream” expresses the deepest aspirations of hundreds of millions of Chinese, who wish to be not only rich but also powerful. At the core of China’s civilizational creed is the belief—or conceit—that China is the center of the universe. In the oft-repeated narrative, a century of Chinese weakness led to exploitation and national humiliation by Western colonialists and Japan. In Beijing’s view, China is now being restored to its rightful place, where its power commands recognition of and respect for China’s core interests.
supermike80
Footballguy
My honest opinion about China?
Its generally a disgusting country in almost every way.
Not the people.
Its generally a disgusting country in almost every way.
Not the people.
Agree 100%.
One thing that’s not talked about much is how America is missing the boat on becoming an energy powerhouse. This is where China will eat our lunch big time.
supermike80
Footballguy
BoltBacker
Footballguy
Well, China produces more than 60% of the solar panels in the world(as of ~2018). If America is finally focused on the future of energy... it's about time.supermike80 said:
It's worth noting that green economy jobs employ 10x the amount of people as the fossil fuel industry. With an economy in disarray it would be ridiculous not to lean into renewables...
https://www.newscientist.com/article/2219927-us-green-economy-has-10-times-more-jobs-than-the-fossil-fuel-industry/#:~:text=The green economy has grown,-16%2C government figures show.
The Z Machine
Footballguy
No they didn't. They started up their an fusion reactor at a higher power (finally burning plasma) for the first time this week. I do not think they are close to break even for energy output, nor are they close to being able to operate it for sustained periods. I applaud them for continuing to push fusion research (especially in conjunction with ITER), but to say China has it working is totally incorrect.
The Z Machine
Footballguy
Not great. There are 2 major categories of fusion research: magnetic confinement (which is what China just started up, and what the ITER Tokamak is based on, as well as stellarators), and inertial confinement (like the US based NIF).
Russia led early on in magnetic confinement, but research has been going on in this area since the 60s in the US. ITER is an international venture funded by lots of governments and is currently the best shot at reaching break even from burning plasma. But it won't go online for another 5-10 years, and it's not meant to be a power plant but really a research facility. If ti works, the first demonstration power plant won't be built for another 15 year after that. The US isn't leading in this area IMO.
For inertial confinement, the US has led from the start. This is mainly because the technology can be used to simulate thermonuclear weapon detonations, so lots of US $$ has been spent using this facility for weapons research (instead of blowing up atolls). NIF is unlikely to ever reach the break-even point for energy production. I don't know the latest research in this area, nor what the next big project will be that uses this or similar techniques.
