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PPR - Larry Fitzgerald - Its not that I think Kevin Kolb is the second Coming or anything, its that I think Derek Anderson and John Skelton were that bad last year. Fitz managed 90 catches and 1137 yards last year with one of the worst situations possible. Fitz caught 90 of 93 catchable balls thrown his way last year and he had 173 targets. there is two crazy things about that bit of info. First, that he caught 97% of his catchable targets, that is unheard of. the second crazy thing is that only 93 of his 173 targets were catchable.... I watched 5 or 6 Cards games last year and even though Fitz is the ultimate teammate, he was clearly frustrated and made it obvious after balls were tossed 15 yards over his head. I like Kolb to help Fitz out a lot this year with giving him more opportunities on catchable targets which means fitz will return to his usual fantasy glory. For those who stayed true to him in dynasty will get rewarded very nicely this year.

NON-PPR - Calvin Johnson - I have been a huge Calvin guy ever since his days at Georgia tech days and cant wait for this year. I honestly think this is the year he finally has enough around him for his immense talent to translate to the fantasy game. Last year was the tip of the iceberg for this guy and if Stafford can stay upright for at least 12 games this year Calvin WILL have over 13 Tds and WILL have over 1250 yards. The only thing is Calvin is similar to Andre Johnson in the respect that they both tend to get banged up by the way they play. I expect him to play 14 or 15 games this year, but considering the production in those games he still will be more than worth an early 2nd round pick in redrafts.

I just got done reading the Ray Rice Thread and this got me thinking about who The WRs are that I think have the best chance to finish NO.1.

List your guys who you think have the best shot in PPR and NON-PPR.

 
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'wiscstlatlmia said:
PPR - Larry Fitzgerald - Its not that I think Kevin Kolb is the second Coming or anything, its that I think Derek Anderson and John Skelton were that bad last year. Fitz managed 90 catches and 1137 yards last year with one of the worst situations possible. Fitz caught 90 of 93 catchable balls thrown his way last year and he had 173 targets. there is two crazy things about that bit of info. First, that he caught 97% of his catchable targets, that is unheard of. the second crazy thing is that only 93 of his 173 targets were catchable.... I watched 5 or 6 Cards games last year and even though Fitz is the ultimate teammate, he was clearly frustrated and made it obvious after balls were tossed 15 yards over his head. I like Kolb to help Fitz out a lot this year with giving him more opportunities on catchable targets which means fitz will return to his usual fantasy glory. For those who stayed true to him in dynasty will get rewarded very nicely this year. NON-PPR - Calvin Johnson - I have been a huge Calvin guy ever since his days at Georgia tech days and cant wait for this year. I honestly think this is the year he finally has enough around him for his immense talent to translate to the fantasy game. Last year was the tip of the iceberg for this guy and if Stafford can stay upright for at least 12 games this year calvin WILL have over 13 Tds and WILL have over 1250 yards. The only thing is Calvin is similar to Andre Johnson in the respect that they both tend to get banged up by the way they play. I expect him to play 14 or 15 games this year, but considering the production in those games he still will be more than worth an early 2nd round pick in redrafts. I just got done reading the Ray Rice Thread and this got me thinking about who The WRs are that I think have the best chance to finish NO.1.List your guys who you think have the best shot in PPR and NON-PPR.
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PPR: Calvin JohnsonNonPPR: Andre Johnson
 
Calvin Johnson....Calvin Johnson. Detroit is looking like the real deal this year and Calvin should have his best year. Calvin will produce with any of their top 3 QBs. Fritz and AJ will have big years too. Can't go wrong with any of those.

 
'shortbow said:
PPR: Calvin JohnsonNonPPR: Andre Johnson
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Interesting since Andre has had multiple 100 catch seasons, but no double digit TD seasons, and Calvin has never had an 80 catch season, but has had multiple double digit TD seasons.Swap them and I agree. Although I may put Fitz in there at PPR.
 
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'Kleck said:
'shortbow said:
PPR: Calvin JohnsonNonPPR: Andre Johnson
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Interesting since Andre has had multiple 100 catch seasons, but no double digit TD seasons, and Calvin has never had an 80 catch season, but has had multiple double digit TD seasons.Swap them and I agree. Although I may put Fitz in there at PPR.
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Whether it was because they had a rotation of QBs or because they were behind a lot. Im pretty sure the lions threw more than any other team last year.I think the top 3 no matter what is Megatron, AJ and White
 
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I think we all are forgetting how good Fitzgerald is. The only other WR in the league who matches him talent wise is Calvin.

That being said, its hard to say fantasy wise as situation plays such a large factor.

 
'NDyse10 said:
I think we all are forgetting how good Fitzgerald is. The only other WR in the league who matches him talent wise is Calvin.

That being said, its hard to say fantasy wise as situation plays such a large factor.
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does it really?In PPR last year with Fitz's terrible situation he still had 90 catches and 1100 yards. Not #1 number mind you, that went to BRandon Freakin Lloyd.

the point is regardless of situation, the stud players play like stud players. the situation just means the best wont be #1 more like #9.

 
PPR: Miles Austin with a healthy Romo (31 REC, 474 Yards, 2 TD 1st four games with healthy Romo)He was easily on pace for a 100+ reception season.

NON PPR: Calvin Johnson- TD Machine

 
'wiscstlatlmia said:
PPR - Larry Fitzgerald - Its not that I think Kevin Kolb is the second Coming or anything, its that I think Derek Anderson and John Skelton were that bad last year. Fitz managed 90 catches and 1137 yards last year with one of the worst situations possible. Fitz caught 90 of 93 catchable balls thrown his way last year and he had 173 targets. there is two crazy things about that bit of info. First, that he caught 97% of his catchable targets, that is unheard of. the second crazy thing is that only 93 of his 173 targets were catchable.... I watched 5 or 6 Cards games last year and even though Fitz is the ultimate teammate, he was clearly frustrated and made it obvious after balls were tossed 15 yards over his head. I like Kolb to help Fitz out a lot this year with giving him more opportunities on catchable targets which means fitz will return to his usual fantasy glory. For those who stayed true to him in dynasty will get rewarded very nicely this year.

NON-PPR - Calvin Johnson - I have been a huge Calvin guy ever since his days at Georgia tech days and cant wait for this year. I honestly think this is the year he finally has enough around him for his immense talent to translate to the fantasy game. Last year was the tip of the iceberg for this guy and if Stafford can stay upright for at least 12 games this year Calvin WILL have over 13 Tds and WILL have over 1250 yards. The only thing is Calvin is similar to Andre Johnson in the respect that they both tend to get banged up by the way they play. I expect him to play 14 or 15 games this year, but considering the production in those games he still will be more than worth an early 2nd round pick in redrafts.

I just got done reading the Ray Rice Thread and this got me thinking about who The WRs are that I think have the best chance to finish NO.1.

List your guys who you think have the best shot in PPR and NON-PPR.
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don't we say this about CJ every year during training camp, that he's going to set the world on fire with his raw talent? Only once in his 4 year career has CJ played an entire 16-game schedule, so saying he WILL catch OVER 13 TDS and OVER 1250 yards is a bit too optimistic - he's never had more than 78 recs in a single season, nor has he recorded more than 12 TDS and only once has he recorded more than 1120 yards in a single season.his 4-yr avg?

76/1047/8..

I wouldn't put all my eggs in the Lions basket just yet..CJ needs to prove he can stay healthy and play 16 games..

for my money Fitz and AJ are the best at what they do...either one is good for PPR or non-PPR..

 
'bicycle_seat_sniffer said:
'NDyse10 said:
I think we all are forgetting how good Fitzgerald is. The only other WR in the league who matches him talent wise is Calvin.

That being said, its hard to say fantasy wise as situation plays such a large factor.
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does it really?In PPR last year with Fitz's terrible situation he still had 90 catches and 1100 yards. Not #1 number mind you, that went to BRandon Freakin Lloyd.

the point is regardless of situation, the stud players play like stud players. the situation just means the best wont be #1 more like #9.
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But aren't you proving his point? Lloyd did nothing when featured (not a stud) and when he walked into a situation where a HC featured him, he walked away #1. If you put him on Carolina this year, there is no way he would break top 15 (with Smith there and rookie QB). I would say situation plays a very large role in how a guy performs. There is a very good chance, that on the same team, Loyd does not walk away top 15.
 
'Tanner9919 said:
'wiscstlatlmia said:
PPR - Larry Fitzgerald - Its not that I think Kevin Kolb is the second Coming or anything, its that I think Derek Anderson and John Skelton were that bad last year. Fitz managed 90 catches and 1137 yards last year with one of the worst situations possible. Fitz caught 90 of 93 catchable balls thrown his way last year and he had 173 targets. there is two crazy things about that bit of info. First, that he caught 97% of his catchable targets, that is unheard of. the second crazy thing is that only 93 of his 173 targets were catchable.... I watched 5 or 6 Cards games last year and even though Fitz is the ultimate teammate, he was clearly frustrated and made it obvious after balls were tossed 15 yards over his head. I like Kolb to help Fitz out a lot this year with giving him more opportunities on catchable targets which means fitz will return to his usual fantasy glory. For those who stayed true to him in dynasty will get rewarded very nicely this year.

NON-PPR - Calvin Johnson - I have been a huge Calvin guy ever since his days at Georgia tech days and cant wait for this year. I honestly think this is the year he finally has enough around him for his immense talent to translate to the fantasy game. Last year was the tip of the iceberg for this guy and if Stafford can stay upright for at least 12 games this year Calvin WILL have over 13 Tds and WILL have over 1250 yards. The only thing is Calvin is similar to Andre Johnson in the respect that they both tend to get banged up by the way they play. I expect him to play 14 or 15 games this year, but considering the production in those games he still will be more than worth an early 2nd round pick in redrafts.

I just got done reading the Ray Rice Thread and this got me thinking about who The WRs are that I think have the best chance to finish NO.1.

List your guys who you think have the best shot in PPR and NON-PPR.
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don't we say this about CJ every year during training camp, that he's going to set the world on fire with his raw talent? Only once in his 4 year career has CJ played an entire 16-game schedule, so saying he WILL catch OVER 13 TDS and OVER 1250 yards is a bit too optimistic - he's never had more than 78 recs in a single season, nor has he recorded more than 12 TDS and only once has he recorded more than 1120 yards in a single season.his 4-yr avg?

76/1047/8..

I wouldn't put all my eggs in the Lions basket just yet..CJ needs to prove he can stay healthy and play 16 games..

for my money Fitz and AJ are the best at what they do...either one is good for PPR or non-PPR..
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Check back in with me once you look at Calvin's first 4 years and then compare it to Fitz and Andre's. Its spooky how similar they are. I also am not sure you can use the 'injury prone' argument because Both fitz and Andre (Andre moreso) both missed significant time in there first four years due to injury. I am not arguing that Calvin wont be injury prone his entire career, I actually believe you can just about bank on him missing one or two games a year, But like Andre now, Hes worth having for those 14 games a year he plays and will be one of the few that is a sure fire elite WR1 when hes in there.Average first four years:

Games Played Catches Yards YPC(Yards per catch) TDs

Larry Fitzgerald: 15 82.5 1135.5 13.8 8.5

Andre Johnson 15.25 77.75 988.25 12.7 4.25

Calvin Johnson 15 67.5 1047.75 15.52 8.25

Pretty damn similar if you ask me. Fitz had the best stats, but he also has Kurt warner for three of those years and a solid passing offense around him whereas Calvin and andre had nothing and were the only show in town for just about all of there first four years. Also they all played essentially the same amount (Andre playing one more game than both Calvin and Fitz) of games, so that is not a legitimate argument If you are comparing the three.

 
'Tanner9919 said:
'wiscstlatlmia said:
PPR - Larry Fitzgerald - Its not that I think Kevin Kolb is the second Coming or anything, its that I think Derek Anderson and John Skelton were that bad last year. Fitz managed 90 catches and 1137 yards last year with one of the worst situations possible. Fitz caught 90 of 93 catchable balls thrown his way last year and he had 173 targets. there is two crazy things about that bit of info. First, that he caught 97% of his catchable targets, that is unheard of. the second crazy thing is that only 93 of his 173 targets were catchable.... I watched 5 or 6 Cards games last year and even though Fitz is the ultimate teammate, he was clearly frustrated and made it obvious after balls were tossed 15 yards over his head. I like Kolb to help Fitz out a lot this year with giving him more opportunities on catchable targets which means fitz will return to his usual fantasy glory. For those who stayed true to him in dynasty will get rewarded very nicely this year.

NON-PPR - Calvin Johnson - I have been a huge Calvin guy ever since his days at Georgia tech days and cant wait for this year. I honestly think this is the year he finally has enough around him for his immense talent to translate to the fantasy game. Last year was the tip of the iceberg for this guy and if Stafford can stay upright for at least 12 games this year Calvin WILL have over 13 Tds and WILL have over 1250 yards. The only thing is Calvin is similar to Andre Johnson in the respect that they both tend to get banged up by the way they play. I expect him to play 14 or 15 games this year, but considering the production in those games he still will be more than worth an early 2nd round pick in redrafts.

I just got done reading the Ray Rice Thread and this got me thinking about who The WRs are that I think have the best chance to finish NO.1.

List your guys who you think have the best shot in PPR and NON-PPR.
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don't we say this about CJ every year during training camp, that he's going to set the world on fire with his raw talent? Only once in his 4 year career has CJ played an entire 16-game schedule, so saying he WILL catch OVER 13 TDS and OVER 1250 yards is a bit too optimistic - he's never had more than 78 recs in a single season, nor has he recorded more than 12 TDS and only once has he recorded more than 1120 yards in a single season.his 4-yr avg?

76/1047/8..

I wouldn't put all my eggs in the Lions basket just yet..CJ needs to prove he can stay healthy and play 16 games..

for my money Fitz and AJ are the best at what they do...either one is good for PPR or non-PPR..
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Check back in with me once you look at Calvin's first 4 years and then compare it to Fitz and Andre's. Its spooky how similar they are. I also am not sure you can use the 'injury prone' argument because Both fitz and Andre (Andre moreso) both missed significant time in there first four years due to injury. I am not arguing that Calvin wont be injury prone his entire career, I actually believe you can just about bank on him missing one or two games a year, But like Andre now, Hes worth having for those 14 games a year he plays and will be one of the few that is a sure fire elite WR1 when hes in there.Average first four years:

Games Played----- Catches--- Yards-----YPC(Yards per catch)---TDs

Larry Fitzgerald: 15 ---------- 82.5----1135.5------ 13.8 ------------- 8.5

Andre Johnson: 15.25 --------77.75 ---988.25------12.7------------- 4.25

Calvin Johnson: 15----------- 67.5---1047.75------15.52------------ 8.25

Pretty damn similar if you ask me. Fitz had the best stats, but he also has Kurt warner for three of those years and a solid passing offense around him whereas Calvin and andre had nothing and were the only show in town for just about all of there first four years. Also they all played essentially the same amount (Andre playing one more game than both Calvin and Fitz) of games, so that is not a legitimate argument If you are comparing the three.

Edit: the columns were screwed up on the stats

 
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Calvin Johnson for both, I think if Stafford can finally stay health we will finally see the insane numbers we've always known he's capable of.

 
'wiscstlatlmia said:
PPR - Larry Fitzgerald - Its not that I think Kevin Kolb is the second Coming or anything, its that I think Derek Anderson and John Skelton were that bad last year. Fitz managed 90 catches and 1137 yards last year with one of the worst situations possible. Fitz caught 90 of 93 catchable balls thrown his way last year and he had 173 targets. there is two crazy things about that bit of info. First, that he caught 97% of his catchable targets, that is unheard of. the second crazy thing is that only 93 of his 173 targets were catchable.... I watched 5 or 6 Cards games last year and even though Fitz is the ultimate teammate, he was clearly frustrated and made it obvious after balls were tossed 15 yards over his head. I like Kolb to help Fitz out a lot this year with giving him more opportunities on catchable targets which means fitz will return to his usual fantasy glory. For those who stayed true to him in dynasty will get rewarded very nicely this year. NON-PPR - Calvin Johnson - I have been a huge Calvin guy ever since his days at Georgia tech days and cant wait for this year. I honestly think this is the year he finally has enough around him for his immense talent to translate to the fantasy game. Last year was the tip of the iceberg for this guy and if Stafford can stay upright for at least 12 games this year Calvin WILL have over 13 Tds and WILL have over 1250 yards. The only thing is Calvin is similar to Andre Johnson in the respect that they both tend to get banged up by the way they play. I expect him to play 14 or 15 games this year, but considering the production in those games he still will be more than worth an early 2nd round pick in redrafts. I just got done reading the Ray Rice Thread and this got me thinking about who The WRs are that I think have the best chance to finish NO.1.List your guys who you think have the best shot in PPR and NON-PPR.
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This but I'd put AJ instead of fitz.
 
'Tanner9919 said:
'wiscstlatlmia said:
PPR - Larry Fitzgerald - Its not that I think Kevin Kolb is the second Coming or anything, its that I think Derek Anderson and John Skelton were that bad last year. Fitz managed 90 catches and 1137 yards last year with one of the worst situations possible. Fitz caught 90 of 93 catchable balls thrown his way last year and he had 173 targets. there is two crazy things about that bit of info. First, that he caught 97% of his catchable targets, that is unheard of. the second crazy thing is that only 93 of his 173 targets were catchable.... I watched 5 or 6 Cards games last year and even though Fitz is the ultimate teammate, he was clearly frustrated and made it obvious after balls were tossed 15 yards over his head. I like Kolb to help Fitz out a lot this year with giving him more opportunities on catchable targets which means fitz will return to his usual fantasy glory. For those who stayed true to him in dynasty will get rewarded very nicely this year.

NON-PPR - Calvin Johnson - I have been a huge Calvin guy ever since his days at Georgia tech days and cant wait for this year. I honestly think this is the year he finally has enough around him for his immense talent to translate to the fantasy game. Last year was the tip of the iceberg for this guy and if Stafford can stay upright for at least 12 games this year Calvin WILL have over 13 Tds and WILL have over 1250 yards. The only thing is Calvin is similar to Andre Johnson in the respect that they both tend to get banged up by the way they play. I expect him to play 14 or 15 games this year, but considering the production in those games he still will be more than worth an early 2nd round pick in redrafts.

I just got done reading the Ray Rice Thread and this got me thinking about who The WRs are that I think have the best chance to finish NO.1.

List your guys who you think have the best shot in PPR and NON-PPR.
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don't we say this about CJ every year during training camp, that he's going to set the world on fire with his raw talent? Only once in his 4 year career has CJ played an entire 16-game schedule, so saying he WILL catch OVER 13 TDS and OVER 1250 yards is a bit too optimistic - he's never had more than 78 recs in a single season, nor has he recorded more than 12 TDS and only once has he recorded more than 1120 yards in a single season.his 4-yr avg?

76/1047/8..

I wouldn't put all my eggs in the Lions basket just yet..CJ needs to prove he can stay healthy and play 16 games..

for my money Fitz and AJ are the best at what they do...either one is good for PPR or non-PPR..
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In general I find attempting to overrationlize perfomance based on injuries (the players and their key teammates) is counterproductive. Unless a player is going in with an injury, I try and look at what the talent dictates and let the random injury stuff happen as it happens. It is human behavior. We WANT to apply labels to everything, but more often than not it's our way of tieing up loose ends of correlation and calling them causation.

MEGA is the the best WR in football (skillset wise) and his team has improved leaps and bounds. His #1 pick QB (who is a STUUUUUD if he can stay healthy) has also taken some higly though of skill set complements to CJ. As hard as it is to believe CJ has received 2x/3x's most of his career. Teams aren't going to have that luxury anymore.

 
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