ceo3west
Footballguy
See post # 24Exactly.I mean, no offense, but isn't this stating the obvious?
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Tau837
Footballguy
But if you believe there are reasons for a back to likely finish out of the top 10, you won't rank him in your top 10. What am I missing here?See post # 24Exactly.I mean, no offense, but isn't this stating the obvious?
1) LT - IMHO if you do not draft him here you are a bit of a nutter.
2) LJ - He's gonna get paid or traded, but no matter what happens he's a stud. If he stays at KC he'll even get more catches than before, which makes his stock go up even more in my PPR league.
3) SJax - Was never really sold on him due to him never getting the #######' ball, but now that he's getting carries he's a monster.
4) Addai - Good O-line, Good team, good runner. He'd be higher, but I can't lower the other three just yet.
5) Westbrook - Did I mention that I'm in a PPR league? This has Westbrook written all over it.
6) Reggie Bush - I had this guy in a keeper league last year and dumped him because I needed the roster space, my main RB was hurt and Bush wasn't doing much. Then he got hot & I'm kicking myself. Basically I'm a dumb***. This year he goes nuts and I look even more like an idiot.
7) Parker - What can I say? Top rusher in a run-oriented offensive system.
8) Maroney - Should do well this year, even though he might not be top tier yet.
9) Frank Gore - I hate to dump on him. He's great, but how long can he sustain in that offense?
10) Alexander - Remember when I said my main RB was hurt? *sigh* He has to really step up before I'll touch him again. He did crap last year.
Honorable mention:
Rudi Johnson - In my system his short TDs and few catches makes him lose value.
Maurice Jones-Drew - He rounds out my top 12 with made receiving skills. In fact, I only have a couple of others pegged as making more receptions, and they're in my top 10.
I still think I'll do okay. [brag] I had the 4th overall last year & won my 24 team league.[/brag]
-Dave
2) LJ - He's gonna get paid or traded, but no matter what happens he's a stud. If he stays at KC he'll even get more catches than before, which makes his stock go up even more in my PPR league.
3) SJax - Was never really sold on him due to him never getting the #######' ball, but now that he's getting carries he's a monster.
4) Addai - Good O-line, Good team, good runner. He'd be higher, but I can't lower the other three just yet.
5) Westbrook - Did I mention that I'm in a PPR league? This has Westbrook written all over it.
6) Reggie Bush - I had this guy in a keeper league last year and dumped him because I needed the roster space, my main RB was hurt and Bush wasn't doing much. Then he got hot & I'm kicking myself. Basically I'm a dumb***. This year he goes nuts and I look even more like an idiot.
7) Parker - What can I say? Top rusher in a run-oriented offensive system.
8) Maroney - Should do well this year, even though he might not be top tier yet.
9) Frank Gore - I hate to dump on him. He's great, but how long can he sustain in that offense?
10) Alexander - Remember when I said my main RB was hurt? *sigh* He has to really step up before I'll touch him again. He did crap last year.
Honorable mention:
Rudi Johnson - In my system his short TDs and few catches makes him lose value.
Maurice Jones-Drew - He rounds out my top 12 with made receiving skills. In fact, I only have a couple of others pegged as making more receptions, and they're in my top 10.
I still think I'll do okay. [brag] I had the 4th overall last year & won my 24 team league.[/brag]
-Dave
ceo3west
Footballguy
I'm just talking about the consensus top 10, and reasons why some of those guys may not end up there, and the fact that guys always drop out of the consensus top 10. My own personal top 10 IS different from the consensus top 10. What I am doing is scrutinizing some consensus choices for this year's top 10, and giving supporting arguements.Just Win Baby said:But if you believe there are reasons for a back to likely finish out of the top 10, you won't rank him in your top 10. What am I missing here?ceo3west said:See post # 24Just Win Baby said:Exactly.Synthesizer said:I mean, no offense, but isn't this stating the obvious?
The Man with the Plan
Footballguy
1.Steven Jackson (The future is now)
2.LaDainian Tomlinson (He's not bad)
3.Frank Gore(Can rush for 2000 yards)
4.Willie Parker (Look at the schedule)
5.Laurence Maroney( Could score 20 TDs)
6.Joseph Addai (The sky is the limit)
7.Clinton Portis (I still believe)
8 Marion Barber (wild card happens every year)
9.Travis Henry (Good but no Terrell Davis)
10.Ronnie Brown (Talentwise there's no question)
Notable omissions:
1.Larry Johnson (416 carries... no thanks)
2.Shaun Alexander (You can't turn back the clock)
3.Rudi Johnson (It has to end some time plus he really isn't that good)
4.Brian Westbrook (Had a career year in 06 plus McNabb's hurt)
5.Reggie Bush (Most overrated back in the NFL)
6.Laurence Maroney (Could score 20 TDs but I just don't trust him)
2.LaDainian Tomlinson (He's not bad)
3.Frank Gore(Can rush for 2000 yards)
4.Willie Parker (Look at the schedule)
5.Laurence Maroney( Could score 20 TDs)
6.Joseph Addai (The sky is the limit)
7.Clinton Portis (I still believe)
8 Marion Barber (wild card happens every year)
9.Travis Henry (Good but no Terrell Davis)
10.Ronnie Brown (Talentwise there's no question)
Notable omissions:
1.Larry Johnson (416 carries... no thanks)
2.Shaun Alexander (You can't turn back the clock)
3.Rudi Johnson (It has to end some time plus he really isn't that good)
4.Brian Westbrook (Had a career year in 06 plus McNabb's hurt)
5.Reggie Bush (Most overrated back in the NFL)
6.Laurence Maroney (Could score 20 TDs but I just don't trust him)
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ILUVBEER99
Footballguy
After the top 3 RB's i really don't see much of a difference at all in Non PPR leagues between RB's 4-15. But here's how i'd rank them.
1)LT
2)SJ
3)LJ
4)Portis
5)Alexander
6)Bush
7)Maroney
8)Gore
9)Westbrook
10)Addai
1)LT
2)SJ
3)LJ
4)Portis
5)Alexander
6)Bush
7)Maroney
8)Gore
9)Westbrook
10)Addai
This one gets my vote for the most interesting.
I love your list. If this happens I should win my Dynasty league this year!Truth be told - I do think pretty much everyone's list here will only be 50-60% correct. Ladell Betts was in the top 10 last year! There is just no way to predict injuries, big seasons, which teams are going to be good - just too many factors. Any of 25 different RB could finish in the top 10 this year.A better thread might be - "Taking in all accounts - if you had to gamble - Pick 5 RB that you GUARANTEE will be in the top 10." The Alexander - LJ - Maroney - Westbrook - Portis - picks seem a little risky to me - Injury could play a big factor.
Blackjacks
Footballguy
definetly went against the norm alittle
Not every league is redraft...
Desert_Power
Footballguy
Curious at the lack of love for MJD here. He was top ten as a rookie last season with no signs that his involvment will go down. Why does every back coming off their rookie seasons get a bump up into the top ten, yet one the largest gets bumped out?
Banger
Footballguy
Unsustainable ypc, td's will probably go down, Taylor is still there so he'll have to share. Plus there are a lot of backs this year ranked around the 10 spot that weren't there last year like McGahee, Henry, Maroney, potentially Benson, due an upgrade in circumstances (all are on good teams). All of those backs are slotted in to be the goto backs on their teams. For me, it's not that I don't like Drew, I just like other backs and their circumstances more.
ImTheScientist
Footballguy
Really?
ImTheScientist
Footballguy
1) LT
2) Gore
3) S-Jax
4) Alexander
5) Maroney
6) LJ
7) Addai
8) Benson
9) Westbrook
10) Rudi
**Non-ppr**
2) Gore
3) S-Jax
4) Alexander
5) Maroney
6) LJ
7) Addai
8) Benson
9) Westbrook
10) Rudi
**Non-ppr**
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PantherPower
Footballguy
1. LT
2. Gore
3. Jackson
4. LJ
5. Bush (2nd half was a sign of things to come)
6. Parker
7. Addai
8. Portis (his demise was GREATLY exaggerated)
9. MJD
10. Alexander (see Portis)
2. Gore
3. Jackson
4. LJ
5. Bush (2nd half was a sign of things to come)
6. Parker
7. Addai
8. Portis (his demise was GREATLY exaggerated)
9. MJD
10. Alexander (see Portis)
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Blackjacks
Footballguy
Could be cause he is #2 on the depth chart of his own team and is listed as a situational back.
ImTheScientist
Footballguy
Hopefully you didn't feel any disrespect...I respect you going against the grain. Do you have projected stats for your rankings or do you do just "feeling" type rankings. I ask because I would be curious about your projections for McGahee, Benson, Portis, and Thomas Jones. I also can't help but assume you are predicting injury to LJ.
Neo
The Dude minds
I have to agree here. I love Blackjack's list and thinking, very similar to my rankings. The only guy I disagree with is LJ. LJ is a stud and the only way he is not in the top 10 is by injury. He will get the ball a ton again this year and will still move piles and the football.
Tau837
Footballguy
Here is my reasoning. MJD had 212 touches last season. The next lowest number for a top 10 RB last season was Betts, who was RB10 and had 298 touches. The top 10 RBs other than MJD averaged 378 touches. Also, only 5 RBs had more TDs than MJD.So, basically, he had a flukishly good season in terms of production per touch. I expect him to have lower ypc than 5.7 and lower ypr than 9.5, perhaps significantly lower in one or both. And I expect him to have fewer TDs.I do expect him to have more touches, but not a lot more... not more than 250. Given that, I am not confident that he can again put up top 10 RB numbers.
Blackjacks
Footballguy
I don't think KC's line is good and I think their qb situations is very dicey as well as the fact that LJ is coming off a career high of carries in a year and YES I don think he'll get hurt. Even if LJ doesn't get hurt (which I think he will) I still don't see him in the top ten. He is a good rb back but I think the Chiefs are going to be awful this year and personally I don't want a rb on a bad team. I feel very comfortable in thinking every rb I put in the top 10's team will be .500 or better this year. I don't like rb's on bad teams cause their qb's are having to throw the second halves of games and they don't get alot of carries. I'd rather have a rb that gets that extra 5-10 carries in the 2nd half of a game. Just not a fan of LJ this year but then again I wasn't last year either.Neo said:
Shooter McGavin
Down the middle
LT
Jackson
L. Johnson
Westbrook
Parker
Gore
Addai
Alexander
Henry
Ronnie Brown
Jackson
L. Johnson
Westbrook
Parker
Gore
Addai
Alexander
Henry
Ronnie Brown
Val Rannous
Footballguy
1. LT
2. SJ
3. LJ
4. Westy
5. Alexander
6. Gore
7. Fast Willie
8. Addai
9. R. Johnson
10. Jones-Drew (!)
2. SJ
3. LJ
4. Westy
5. Alexander
6. Gore
7. Fast Willie
8. Addai
9. R. Johnson
10. Jones-Drew (!)
TheWick
Footballguy
Redraft - PPR
1. Ladanian Tomlinson - Still the head of the class
2. Steven Jackson - Less catches but more TDs
3. Larry Johnson - Just to good and gets the ball a ton...barring injury he's gotta be top 3
4. Brian Westbrook - PPR dynamo
5. Joseph Addai - He's good enough to get it done in this offense
6. Frank Gore - slows down a little without Turner but still a beast
7. Willie Parker - Will run as much and catch more in new offense
8. Reggie Bush - The "football" fastest player I've ever seen gets more touches and capitalizes
9. Travis Henry - Good all around back, hopefully stays healthy
10. Laurence Maroney - Terrific young back, lets see if he can go the distance
11. Ronnie Brown - Cam Cameron turns him around with a little help from Trent Green
12. Clinton Portis - Could jump up quite a bit if he gets most the carries
Not fond of
Shaun Alexander - easy division, decent offense...but he looked sooooo slow last year. Might be done.
MJD - asking for trouble if he is your RB1
1. Ladanian Tomlinson - Still the head of the class
2. Steven Jackson - Less catches but more TDs
3. Larry Johnson - Just to good and gets the ball a ton...barring injury he's gotta be top 3
4. Brian Westbrook - PPR dynamo
5. Joseph Addai - He's good enough to get it done in this offense
6. Frank Gore - slows down a little without Turner but still a beast
7. Willie Parker - Will run as much and catch more in new offense
8. Reggie Bush - The "football" fastest player I've ever seen gets more touches and capitalizes
9. Travis Henry - Good all around back, hopefully stays healthy
10. Laurence Maroney - Terrific young back, lets see if he can go the distance
11. Ronnie Brown - Cam Cameron turns him around with a little help from Trent Green
12. Clinton Portis - Could jump up quite a bit if he gets most the carries
Not fond of
Shaun Alexander - easy division, decent offense...but he looked sooooo slow last year. Might be done.
MJD - asking for trouble if he is your RB1
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fsufan
Footballguy
i think he is a better rec. than you think. he had 48 recpt. in 2002 in Buff.
fsufan
Footballguy
Let look at rushing #s for Denver over the years from 2006 and backused this site for my #sI am actually quite surprised to see him in just about everybody's top 10 with comments like "I have a hard time seeing how he wont be top 10". Seriously, when was the last time Denver had a stud RB? Dont get me wrong I got him 11th but I cant find a single guy in my top 10 to bounce to put Henry in. Im not saying he wont be good but I dont think its as much a lock as everybody is making it out to be.
http://www.pro-football-reference.com/
2006
T. Bell- 233 atts., 1025 yards, 2 TDs
M. Bell- 157 Atts, 657 yards, 8 TDs
2005
Anderson- 239 carr, 1014 yards, 12 TDs- #9 FF RB that year
Bell- 173 carr, 921 yards, 8 TDs
2004
Droughns-245 carr, 1240 yards, 241 rec yards, 8 total TDs
2003
Portis- 290 carr, 1591, 14 TDs
2002
Portis- 273 carr, 1508 yards, 15 TDs
2001
Davis- 167 carr, 701 yards, year he got hurt
2000
Anderson- 297 carr, 1487 yards, 15 TDs
1999
O. Gary- 276 carr, 1159 yards, 7 TDs
1995, 1996, 1997 and 1998 was Davis in his Prime
RBBC was in 2005, 2006 but Anderson was still a solid #2 RB in 2005 and T. Bell was a good Flex play in 2005
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evilempire
Footballguy
And don't forget that Greg Jones is back, so the goal line touches for MJD will go down appreciably as well.
obxlegends
Footballguy
Let me just say I'm not a Travis Henry hater or apologist. I however think a lot of people are naive on this board who believe Henry will be a Top 10 back on Denver's system alone. I'm not saying he won't be, but for sure it's not a product of the system with Henry. With Plummer you had a mobile QB. With his mobility (bootlegs, etc) he was able to keep your back end DE's at bay for a second longer to allow for that famous one cutback scheme to be at it's most effective. Plummer also used a lot of ghost reverses and other "tricks" to help out the running game. Cutler isn't the same QB. He's more of a pure drop back passer. This eliminates a good portion of what Denver liked to do with Plummer over the last few years. Once again, this isn't saying Henry won't be productive. He'll just have to do it in a different way.fsufan said:Let look at rushing #s for Denver over the years from 2006 and backused this site for my #s
http://www.pro-football-reference.com/
2006
T. Bell- 233 atts., 1025 yards, 2 TDs
M. Bell- 157 Atts, 657 yards, 8 TDs
2005
Anderson- 239 carr, 1014 yards, 12 TDs- #9 FF RB that year
Bell- 173 carr, 921 yards, 8 TDs
2004
Droughns-245 carr, 1240 yards, 241 rec yards, 8 total TDs
2003
Portis- 290 carr, 1591, 14 TDs
2002
Portis- 273 carr, 1508 yards, 15 TDs
2001
Davis- 167 carr, 701 yards, year he got hurt
2000
Anderson- 297 carr, 1487 yards, 15 TDs
1999
O. Gary- 276 carr, 1159 yards, 7 TDs
1995, 1996, 1997 and 1998 was Davis in his Prime
RBBC was in 2005, 2006 but Anderson was still a solid #2 RB in 2005 and T. Bell was a good Flex play in 2005
Traders2001
Footballguy
No way Parker is at #10, why would he lose goal line carries ( He might lose a a few series per game 2 or 3 , and it s good for him . But he was actually a very good goal line back last season so no reason to doubt he will be this season " Davenport and Barlow are worthless aniways " ) also if they pass more it s great it will open up the running game even more and Willy will have more chances to break long ones . Easily Parker will be a top 5 , while Rudy Jhonson will lose his job to Irons .
DenverBuc
Footballguy
1. LT
2. SJax
3. LJ
4. Alexander
5. Gore
6. Addai
7. Westbrook
8. Parker
9. Rudi Johnson
10. Travis Henry
The Travis Henry pick in the top ten seems to be scaring a lot of people. I read an interesting article in the Denver Post here this weekend that interviewed Shanahan and Henry. Shanahan really wants to push one back to carry the ball. He wants a TD-type scenario. While he isn't willing to say he has that in Henry, he says he sees someone with the skills, build, and desire to be THE back and keep the ball the whole game.
Henry said he wants that too. He feels like his rhythm develops as he gets more and more carries and he wants to finish our drives and games. He thinks he is an old-school one back kind of guy and he thinks the Broncos brought him in to move in that direction.
Good enough for me. We all already knew that any Denver back that started and got a majority of the carries had the potential to be a top 10 back, regardless if it was Henry, Mike Anderson, Clinton Portis, whatever. If Henry can stay healthy, he should easily be top 10, with a ceiling of even much better.
2. SJax
3. LJ
4. Alexander
5. Gore
6. Addai
7. Westbrook
8. Parker
9. Rudi Johnson
10. Travis Henry
The Travis Henry pick in the top ten seems to be scaring a lot of people. I read an interesting article in the Denver Post here this weekend that interviewed Shanahan and Henry. Shanahan really wants to push one back to carry the ball. He wants a TD-type scenario. While he isn't willing to say he has that in Henry, he says he sees someone with the skills, build, and desire to be THE back and keep the ball the whole game.
Henry said he wants that too. He feels like his rhythm develops as he gets more and more carries and he wants to finish our drives and games. He thinks he is an old-school one back kind of guy and he thinks the Broncos brought him in to move in that direction.
Good enough for me. We all already knew that any Denver back that started and got a majority of the carries had the potential to be a top 10 back, regardless if it was Henry, Mike Anderson, Clinton Portis, whatever. If Henry can stay healthy, he should easily be top 10, with a ceiling of even much better.
Yeah. MJD had more gaolline TDs last year than G Jones has in his entire career. MJD will be the GL back again this year while Jones will be the blocking FULLBACK. MJD will be around the top 10, but he might not sneak in.evilempire said:And don't forget that Greg Jones is back, so the goal line touches for MJD will go down appreciably as well.
Buddy Ball 2K3
Footballguy
Based mine on PPR leagues
#1- Tomlinson- An absolute stud - enough said
#2- S. Jackson- Easily the #2 back. He could challenge for the #1 spot. Should be with in 10% of LT2's fantasy numbers
#3- Brian Westbrook- McNabb getting hurt last season will be a blessing this season. With a balanced offense I expect huge things from Westbrook. Now all he has to do is stay healthy
#4- Frank Gore- Very talented RB on an up and coming team. If the 9ers show any ability to get the ball down field Gore should have a similar season to lasts.
#5- Joseph Addai- I am a true believer in this kid. He can do it all and I think we are looking at 2nd year Edge type numbers
#6- Shaun Alexander- SA could easily finish in the top 5 however I have a feeling he will be closer to the bottom 10
#7- Larry Johnson- Love LJ, hate his QB situation. not a fan of his O line or his WR's. Only one RB has ever had over 370 carries in a season that did not see a major decline in his production the following year. LJ isn't on the Rams and he isn't Eric Dickerson
#8- Clinton Portis- Everyone acts like Portis is 32 years old. The guy is 26, has had over 1,300 yards in 4/5 seasons & has had double digit TDs in 3/5. I expect Clinton to bounce back with a very nice season.
#9- Maurice Jones Drew- I do not believe in Fred Taylor... but I do believe my eyes and what they showed me is a kid who is about as an explosive a runner as I have seen in a long time. Expect another double digit TD year along with a combined 1,500 yards
#10- Willie Parker- Would love to rank Willie higher, however I see him falling back to the pack a bit. I believe the Steelers are going to try to get the ball down field a bit more this season and I feel this means bad things for Fast WP. I am not a fan of Big Ben so I expect this offense to struggle a bit while they figure out what they can and can not do with their QB.
The guys that could sneak into the top 10
Reggie Bush, Laurence Maroney, & Travis Henry
#1- Tomlinson- An absolute stud - enough said
#2- S. Jackson- Easily the #2 back. He could challenge for the #1 spot. Should be with in 10% of LT2's fantasy numbers
#3- Brian Westbrook- McNabb getting hurt last season will be a blessing this season. With a balanced offense I expect huge things from Westbrook. Now all he has to do is stay healthy
#4- Frank Gore- Very talented RB on an up and coming team. If the 9ers show any ability to get the ball down field Gore should have a similar season to lasts.
#5- Joseph Addai- I am a true believer in this kid. He can do it all and I think we are looking at 2nd year Edge type numbers
#6- Shaun Alexander- SA could easily finish in the top 5 however I have a feeling he will be closer to the bottom 10
#7- Larry Johnson- Love LJ, hate his QB situation. not a fan of his O line or his WR's. Only one RB has ever had over 370 carries in a season that did not see a major decline in his production the following year. LJ isn't on the Rams and he isn't Eric Dickerson
#8- Clinton Portis- Everyone acts like Portis is 32 years old. The guy is 26, has had over 1,300 yards in 4/5 seasons & has had double digit TDs in 3/5. I expect Clinton to bounce back with a very nice season.
#9- Maurice Jones Drew- I do not believe in Fred Taylor... but I do believe my eyes and what they showed me is a kid who is about as an explosive a runner as I have seen in a long time. Expect another double digit TD year along with a combined 1,500 yards
#10- Willie Parker- Would love to rank Willie higher, however I see him falling back to the pack a bit. I believe the Steelers are going to try to get the ball down field a bit more this season and I feel this means bad things for Fast WP. I am not a fan of Big Ben so I expect this offense to struggle a bit while they figure out what they can and can not do with their QB.
The guys that could sneak into the top 10
Reggie Bush, Laurence Maroney, & Travis Henry
Deuce'sWild
Footballguy
I have a hard time ranking MJD ahead of guys like Benson, Henry, and Maroney....guys who will be "the guy". I love MJD, and he's an explosive runner, but I have no clue how much he'll be used. And neither do any of you.
Blackjacks
Footballguy
Buddy Ball 2K3
Footballguy
Well ask yourself this, will he be used more or less then he was last season? If you were the coach would you want your most explosive player to get the ball in his hands more or less? What do you think DelRio is gonna do ?
Blackjacks
Footballguy
My opinion on this question is "Can he do what he did last year with ball with the same or even a small amount of increase in touches?"I don't think he can have another year like that with those touches (yard per a touch and long td's.) I do see him getting about the same amount of touches but not more. He broke alot of long runs last year that I don't see him repeating as many. He does have the potential, once he gets a defined position, but until then I'll pass
Deuce'sWild
Footballguy
100% agree with this. I just can't rely on a guy that gets limited touches and needs big runs to score a lot. I just don't think he can come close to those TD numbers this year...especially with a healthy Taylor and Jones.
Tau837
Footballguy
First of all, he will almost certainly do less per touch than he did last season. So getting more touches might not equate to equal or better fantasy performance. As for how many more touches, unless you assume a drastic change in Taylor's role or an injury to Taylor, I don't see how you can project more than 250 touches or so. Last season he only had 212, so that would be about a 20% increase.ETA: See post #73.
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BigSteelThrill
Footballguy
Tomlinson
Jackson
Addai
Gore
LJohnson
Alexander
Parker
Westbrook
TJones
THenry
Jackson
Addai
Gore
LJohnson
Alexander
Parker
Westbrook
TJones
THenry
BigSteelThrill
Footballguy
Final tally through post #95.
Before any skew attempts.
1- Tomlinson 365
2- Jackson 329
3- LJohnson 237
4- Gore 189
5- Alexander 163
6- Addai 144
7- Westbrook 142
8- Parker 137
9- Henry 76
10- RJohnson 53
Maroney 40
Portis 39
Bush 31
Benson 11
MJ Drew 11
Brown 9
McGahee 8
TJones 4
MBarber 3
AGreen 1
Before any skew attempts.
1- Tomlinson 365
2- Jackson 329
3- LJohnson 237
4- Gore 189
5- Alexander 163
6- Addai 144
7- Westbrook 142
8- Parker 137
9- Henry 76
10- RJohnson 53
Maroney 40
Portis 39
Bush 31
Benson 11
MJ Drew 11
Brown 9
McGahee 8
TJones 4
MBarber 3
AGreen 1
AnonymousBob
Footballguy
MJD was very effective as a GL runner while Jones made for an excellent fullback (according to homers that follow the team).evilempire said:And don't forget that Greg Jones is back, so the goal line touches for MJD will go down appreciably as well.
AnonymousBob
Footballguy
Plummer played his first year for the Broncos in 2003. The Denver rushing attack did just fine before he was there and it will do a great job after he's gone.Let me just say I'm not a Travis Henry hater or apologist. I however think a lot of people are naive on this board who believe Henry will be a Top 10 back on Denver's system alone. I'm not saying he won't be, but for sure it's not a product of the system with Henry. With Plummer you had a mobile QB. With his mobility (bootlegs, etc) he was able to keep your back end DE's at bay for a second longer to allow for that famous one cutback scheme to be at it's most effective. Plummer also used a lot of ghost reverses and other "tricks" to help out the running game. Cutler isn't the same QB. He's more of a pure drop back passer. This eliminates a good portion of what Denver liked to do with Plummer over the last few years. Once again, this isn't saying Henry won't be productive. He'll just have to do it in a different way.fsufan said:Let look at rushing #s for Denver over the years from 2006 and backused this site for my #s
http://www.pro-football-reference.com/
2006
T. Bell- 233 atts., 1025 yards, 2 TDs
M. Bell- 157 Atts, 657 yards, 8 TDs
2005
Anderson- 239 carr, 1014 yards, 12 TDs- #9 FF RB that year
Bell- 173 carr, 921 yards, 8 TDs
2004
Droughns-245 carr, 1240 yards, 241 rec yards, 8 total TDs
2003
Portis- 290 carr, 1591, 14 TDs
2002
Portis- 273 carr, 1508 yards, 15 TDs
2001
Davis- 167 carr, 701 yards, year he got hurt
2000
Anderson- 297 carr, 1487 yards, 15 TDs
1999
O. Gary- 276 carr, 1159 yards, 7 TDs
1995, 1996, 1997 and 1998 was Davis in his Prime
RBBC was in 2005, 2006 but Anderson was still a solid #2 RB in 2005 and T. Bell was a good Flex play in 2005
RudeDog
Footballguy
I was ecstatic at the end of last year having MJD in a keeper league, then the Taylor contract was announced and I cried. I agree that MJD is explosive and I would try to get him the ball as much as possible, but why resign Taylor for so much money...... I am very confused at this time and can only wait and see how this ends up.I have to protect and try to get a true #1 back until the fog clears though, trusting that DelRio gets him the ball as much as possible is not how I will enter this year.That being said:1a) Tomlinson1b) Steven Jackson2) Gore3) Alexander (still a touchdown machine - see playoff vs Bears last year)4) Westbrook5) Parker6) Addai7) Benson (should do well out from under Jones' shadow)8) Rudi9) HenryNot touching LJ with his contract problems - I don't think he'll play much this year.
evilempire
Footballguy
Purely because Jones wasn't healthy all year. Had he been around, MJD would have gotten about half the touches he received last year.Yeah. MJD had more gaolline TDs last year than G Jones has in his entire career. MJD will be the GL back again this year while Jones will be the blocking FULLBACK. MJD will be around the top 10, but he might not sneak in.evilempire said:And don't forget that Greg Jones is back, so the goal line touches for MJD will go down appreciably as well.
