Youtube video re: Pacman Jones signing (1 Viewer)

[gianmarco]

 

[KoolKat]

So true, nobody should want PacMan, or Henry for that matter.

 

[munchkin]

My brother lives in San Antonio and is a pretty avid Dallas fan. He was very disappointed in the Pacman signing. The Sportscaster is right on. Jones is not that different than many big business people who look at the bottom line (as he inferred in his comment regarding those occupuing the luxury boxes). It's all about profits and winning at any costs.

 

[cowboysin07]

I don't know what is wrong with giving a person a chance. He's a young kid and can still become a good person. That is ignorant of the sportscaster. Yes I am biased but it happens everywhere in business and life. People make bad choices but that doesn't mean they should be shut out of society. Him giving up his signing bonus to be reinstated shows that he wants to and believes he can change.

 

[PlasmaDogPlasma]

He's also an incredible football talent. I'm so happy he's out of the AFC South.

 

[Kai's Hero]

I don't know what is wrong with giving a person a chance. He's a young kid and can still become a good person. That is ignorant of the sportscaster. Yes I am biased but it happens everywhere in business and life. People make bad choices but that doesn't mean they should be shut out of society. Him giving up his signing bonus to be reinstated shows that he wants to and believes he can change.

Tell the parents of the guy in the wheelchair for the rest of his life that Pac Man deserves another chance. How Naive? Have you not been paying attention? The man's had many, many chances. He's a thug and once a thug, always a thug. He doesn't belong in the NFL and he won't start the season with the Cowboys. Roger will make sure of that.

 

[DWidmar]

I don't know what is wrong with giving a person a chance. He's a young kid and can still become a good person. That is ignorant of the sportscaster. Yes I am biased but it happens everywhere in business and life. People make bad choices but that doesn't mean they should be shut out of society. Him giving up his signing bonus to be reinstated shows that he wants to and believes he can change.

I also sensed that this sportscaster was holding a grudge because he was let go by Jones. He said he didn't but just him bringing it up, shows that he does, IMHO. I think there is a difference if your team tolerates this type of behavior by your players on or off the field. Lately all of the Cowboys have stayed out of trouble. Maybe a couple of minor things but for the most part well behaved. I think Jerry is giving this kid a second chance. If he misbehaves and Jerry stands behind him, then shame on Jerry, if he misbehaves and Jerry cuts him, then thats what he should do. I have no problem giving people a second chance as long as you take the appropriate action when or if they mess up. In this case, a great reward if this man turns himself around and if not, it was worth the risk at this price.

 

[Iwannabeacowboybaby!]

I don't know what is wrong with giving a person a chance. He's a young kid and can still become a good person. That is ignorant of the sportscaster. Yes I am biased but it happens everywhere in business and life. People make bad choices but that doesn't mean they should be shut out of society. Him giving up his signing bonus to be reinstated shows that he wants to and believes he can change.

If the guy is a criminal, he should be in jail. If he is a menace to society, then Goodell should ban him from the league. If that happens, I'm in full support.If the guy is eligible to play football in the NFL, then I give credit to Jerry Jones to use him as long as you can.You're right, I wouldn't invite this guy over to my BBQ or wouldn't want him to date my daughter, but there are plenty of guys in business I'd say that about, not just Pacman Jones.....so that really has nothing to do with it.We don't know half the things many of these guys do on all of our favorite teams, probably lots of stuff that if we knew, we'd be surprised, shocked and ultimately disappointed.This guy seems bitter about losing his job and I don't believe he likes Jerry Jones like he said in this video. I believe if he took a lie detector test, we'd find out he dislikes him. The guy is a clever old sports reporter who knows how to spin a story and take an angle and make it compelling, hiding or trying to his bitter feelings.Too bad for him everyone's not as dumb as he hopes.

 

[gianmarco]

I don't know what is wrong with giving a person a chance. He's a young kid and can still become a good person. That is ignorant of the sportscaster. Yes I am biased but it happens everywhere in business and life. People make bad choices but that doesn't mean they should be shut out of society. Him giving up his signing bonus to be reinstated shows that he wants to and believes he can change.

I also sensed that this sportscaster was holding a grudge because he was let go by Jones. He said he didn't but just him bringing it up, shows that he does, IMHO. I think there is a difference if your team tolerates this type of behavior by your players on or off the field. Lately all of the Cowboys have stayed out of trouble. Maybe a couple of minor things but for the most part well behaved. I think Jerry is giving this kid a second chance. If he misbehaves and Jerry stands behind him, then shame on Jerry, if he misbehaves and Jerry cuts him, then thats what he should do. I have no problem giving people a second chance as long as you take the appropriate action when or if they mess up. In this case, a great reward if this man turns himself around and if not, it was worth the risk at this price.

There's the problem with your entire post. This isn't a second chance. It's pretty far beyond it. In fact, after all this happened and he was suspended, he met with Goodell and told him he'd keep his nose clean so he could get reinstated. What did he do? Got pulled over for speeding and was reportedly at another strip club. But if you want to call this a "second chance", then fine.

 

[Iwannabeacowboybaby!]

I don't know what is wrong with giving a person a chance. He's a young kid and can still become a good person. That is ignorant of the sportscaster. Yes I am biased but it happens everywhere in business and life. People make bad choices but that doesn't mean they should be shut out of society. Him giving up his signing bonus to be reinstated shows that he wants to and believes he can change.

I also sensed that this sportscaster was holding a grudge because he was let go by Jones. He said he didn't but just him bringing it up, shows that he does, IMHO. I think there is a difference if your team tolerates this type of behavior by your players on or off the field. Lately all of the Cowboys have stayed out of trouble. Maybe a couple of minor things but for the most part well behaved. I think Jerry is giving this kid a second chance. If he misbehaves and Jerry stands behind him, then shame on Jerry, if he misbehaves and Jerry cuts him, then thats what he should do. I have no problem giving people a second chance as long as you take the appropriate action when or if they mess up. In this case, a great reward if this man turns himself around and if not, it was worth the risk at this price.

2nd chance, meaning 2nd team and maybe leaving all that mess behind him when he was in Tennessee.He probably got his first 2nd chance when he was in Kidnergarden if he want to talk about when that was given out.

There's the problem with your entire post. This isn't a second chance. It's pretty far beyond it. In fact, after all this happened and he was suspended, he met with Goodell and told him he'd keep his nose clean so he could get reinstated. What did he do? Got pulled over for speeding and was reportedly at another strip club. But if you want to call this a "second chance", then fine.

 

[gianmarco]

I don't know what is wrong with giving a person a chance. He's a young kid and can still become a good person. That is ignorant of the sportscaster. Yes I am biased but it happens everywhere in business and life. People make bad choices but that doesn't mean they should be shut out of society. Him giving up his signing bonus to be reinstated shows that he wants to and believes he can change.

I also sensed that this sportscaster was holding a grudge because he was let go by Jones. He said he didn't but just him bringing it up, shows that he does, IMHO. I think there is a difference if your team tolerates this type of behavior by your players on or off the field. Lately all of the Cowboys have stayed out of trouble. Maybe a couple of minor things but for the most part well behaved. I think Jerry is giving this kid a second chance. If he misbehaves and Jerry stands behind him, then shame on Jerry, if he misbehaves and Jerry cuts him, then thats what he should do. I have no problem giving people a second chance as long as you take the appropriate action when or if they mess up. In this case, a great reward if this man turns himself around and if not, it was worth the risk at this price.

2nd chance, meaning 2nd team and maybe leaving all that mess behind him when he was in Tennessee.He probably got his first 2nd chance when he was in Kidnergarden if he want to talk about when that was given out.

There's the problem with your entire post. This isn't a second chance. It's pretty far beyond it. In fact, after all this happened and he was suspended, he met with Goodell and told him he'd keep his nose clean so he could get reinstated. What did he do? Got pulled over for speeding and was reportedly at another strip club. But if you want to call this a "second chance", then fine.

I would agree if it seemed he was having problems because of being in Tennessee. But he wasn't. He was doing all these things on his own time, not around teammates, and in different cities. We're not talking about a guy that didn't get along with teammates and was struggling because of his surroundings. What indication from his past actions (problems in Las Vegas, for example) makes you think that will change just because he went from Tenn to Dallas? I'm sorry but your homerism is really shining through in your excuses for him. If you don't have a problem with Dallas signing him despite his past behavior, then fine. But don't blame his problems on the Titans or his surroundings. Those fall squarely on Pacman's shoulders and the Titans gave him more than enough chances over there. A change in surroundings won't make Pacman any better. Only a change in character will. I'm 99% sure we won't see that change in character happen.

 

[DWidmar]

I don't know what is wrong with giving a person a chance. He's a young kid and can still become a good person. That is ignorant of the sportscaster. Yes I am biased but it happens everywhere in business and life. People make bad choices but that doesn't mean they should be shut out of society. Him giving up his signing bonus to be reinstated shows that he wants to and believes he can change.

I also sensed that this sportscaster was holding a grudge because he was let go by Jones. He said he didn't but just him bringing it up, shows that he does, IMHO. I think there is a difference if your team tolerates this type of behavior by your players on or off the field. Lately all of the Cowboys have stayed out of trouble. Maybe a couple of minor things but for the most part well behaved. I think Jerry is giving this kid a second chance. If he misbehaves and Jerry stands behind him, then shame on Jerry, if he misbehaves and Jerry cuts him, then thats what he should do. I have no problem giving people a second chance as long as you take the appropriate action when or if they mess up. In this case, a great reward if this man turns himself around and if not, it was worth the risk at this price.

There's the problem with your entire post. This isn't a second chance. It's pretty far beyond it. In fact, after all this happened and he was suspended, he met with Goodell and told him he'd keep his nose clean so he could get reinstated. What did he do? Got pulled over for speeding and was reportedly at another strip club. But if you want to call this a "second chance", then fine.

Well I guess it is how we all view a "second chance". He was suspended from the league on ONE occasion for several issues. There are many people in our society (not just pacman or other football players) who dont get held accountable for their actions. Sure they get talked to or dragged through the mud by the media etc but they dont really get held accountable. Now he has been suspended from playing the game he loves and we will see how he responds to that. I also realize that there was a serious issue with the guy that got shot by his bodyguard or someone in his posse. I dont respect the guy as a person for that behavior. However the other things brought up just show poor judgement. You are trashing him for getting a speeding ticket and going to a strip club. I probably need to be locked up cuz I get speeding tickets and go to strip clubs. So I really do see it as one issue because I do not hold anything against him for the speeding ticket or strip club visits. I am probably in the minority, but I know I give second chances to people in my business when others won't so I have a softer side to helping people get through things. In all honesty, I have been burned more times than I have succeeded with this mind set but it is how I believe.

 

[Mustang Man]

I don't know what is wrong with giving a person a chance. He's a young kid and can still become a good person. That is ignorant of the sportscaster. Yes I am biased but it happens everywhere in business and life. People make bad choices but that doesn't mean they should be shut out of society. Him giving up his signing bonus to be reinstated shows that he wants to and believes he can change.

I also sensed that this sportscaster was holding a grudge because he was let go by Jones. He said he didn't but just him bringing it up, shows that he does, IMHO. I think there is a difference if your team tolerates this type of behavior by your players on or off the field. Lately all of the Cowboys have stayed out of trouble. Maybe a couple of minor things but for the most part well behaved. I think Jerry is giving this kid a second chance. If he misbehaves and Jerry stands behind him, then shame on Jerry, if he misbehaves and Jerry cuts him, then thats what he should do. I have no problem giving people a second chance as long as you take the appropriate action when or if they mess up. In this case, a great reward if this man turns himself around and if not, it was worth the risk at this price.

2nd chance, meaning 2nd team and maybe leaving all that mess behind him when he was in Tennessee.He probably got his first 2nd chance when he was in Kidnergarden if he want to talk about when that was given out.

There's the problem with your entire post. This isn't a second chance. It's pretty far beyond it. In fact, after all this happened and he was suspended, he met with Goodell and told him he'd keep his nose clean so he could get reinstated. What did he do? Got pulled over for speeding and was reportedly at another strip club. But if you want to call this a "second chance", then fine.

I would agree if it seemed he was having problems because of being in Tennessee. But he wasn't. He was doing all these things on his own time, not around teammates, and in different cities. We're not talking about a guy that didn't get along with teammates and was struggling because of his surroundings. What indication from his past actions (problems in Las Vegas, for example) makes you think that will change just because he went from Tenn to Dallas? I'm sorry but your homerism is really shining through in your excuses for him. If you don't have a problem with Dallas signing him despite his past behavior, then fine. But don't blame his problems on the Titans or his surroundings. Those fall squarely on Pacman's shoulders and the Titans gave him more than enough chances over there. A change in surroundings won't make Pacman any better. Only a change in character will. I'm 99% sure we won't see that change in character happen.

Someone finally gets it like you said "If you don't have a problem with Dallas signing him despite his past behavior, then fine. But don't blame his problems on the Titans or his surroundings. Those fall squarely on Pacman's shoulders and the Titans gave him more than enough chances over there."Now he gets one last chance in a new situationi ALSO LOVE HOW YOU KNOW WHAT pACMAN INTENTION ARE 99% GET REAL End of Story. Let's end this BS Pacman is traded to Dallas and that is it. It's draft day!!!!!! Now Dallas will only get BETTER. HAVE A GOOD ONE.

 

[Kevin Ashcraft]

Adam also had 5 second chances when he was arrested 6 times in three years. That is FIVE chances to correct your ways. Even if not convicted, it means he was at least somewhere he should not have been. This guys does not get it. The best thing he can do to repair himself is got to work and then go home and do it all over again the next day. Quit putting onself in environments that will lead to bad things happening.

But when you have been doing that for so long, it is almost asking too much....and that is the sad part.

 

[Iwannabeacowboybaby!]

I don't know what is wrong with giving a person a chance. He's a young kid and can still become a good person. That is ignorant of the sportscaster. Yes I am biased but it happens everywhere in business and life. People make bad choices but that doesn't mean they should be shut out of society. Him giving up his signing bonus to be reinstated shows that he wants to and believes he can change.

I also sensed that this sportscaster was holding a grudge because he was let go by Jones. He said he didn't but just him bringing it up, shows that he does, IMHO. I think there is a difference if your team tolerates this type of behavior by your players on or off the field. Lately all of the Cowboys have stayed out of trouble. Maybe a couple of minor things but for the most part well behaved. I think Jerry is giving this kid a second chance. If he misbehaves and Jerry stands behind him, then shame on Jerry, if he misbehaves and Jerry cuts him, then thats what he should do. I have no problem giving people a second chance as long as you take the appropriate action when or if they mess up. In this case, a great reward if this man turns himself around and if not, it was worth the risk at this price.

2nd chance, meaning 2nd team and maybe leaving all that mess behind him when he was in Tennessee.He probably got his first 2nd chance when he was in Kidnergarden if he want to talk about when that was given out.

There's the problem with your entire post. This isn't a second chance. It's pretty far beyond it. In fact, after all this happened and he was suspended, he met with Goodell and told him he'd keep his nose clean so he could get reinstated. What did he do? Got pulled over for speeding and was reportedly at another strip club. But if you want to call this a "second chance", then fine.

I would agree if it seemed he was having problems because of being in Tennessee. But he wasn't. He was doing all these things on his own time, not around teammates, and in different cities. We're not talking about a guy that didn't get along with teammates and was struggling because of his surroundings. What indication from his past actions (problems in Las Vegas, for example) makes you think that will change just because he went from Tenn to Dallas? I'm sorry but your homerism is really shining through in your excuses for him. If you don't have a problem with Dallas signing him despite his past behavior, then fine. But don't blame his problems on the Titans or his surroundings. Those fall squarely on Pacman's shoulders and the Titans gave him more than enough chances over there. A change in surroundings won't make Pacman any better. Only a change in character will. I'm 99% sure we won't see that change in character happen.

I'll try and be nice but you need to go back and reread my post I guess. I didn't blame anything on the Titans in terms of Pacman Jones or his surroundings. I explained to you what the other guy was talking about in terms of 2nd chance. I went on to talk about he probably was getting 2nd chances since Kidnergarden, further showing that it had nothing to do with the Titans, that it's been an issue with him all along.Just slow down and read before you go posting, it makes all the difference in the world.

 

[gianmarco]

I don't know what is wrong with giving a person a chance. He's a young kid and can still become a good person. That is ignorant of the sportscaster. Yes I am biased but it happens everywhere in business and life. People make bad choices but that doesn't mean they should be shut out of society. Him giving up his signing bonus to be reinstated shows that he wants to and believes he can change.

I also sensed that this sportscaster was holding a grudge because he was let go by Jones. He said he didn't but just him bringing it up, shows that he does, IMHO. I think there is a difference if your team tolerates this type of behavior by your players on or off the field. Lately all of the Cowboys have stayed out of trouble. Maybe a couple of minor things but for the most part well behaved. I think Jerry is giving this kid a second chance. If he misbehaves and Jerry stands behind him, then shame on Jerry, if he misbehaves and Jerry cuts him, then thats what he should do. I have no problem giving people a second chance as long as you take the appropriate action when or if they mess up. In this case, a great reward if this man turns himself around and if not, it was worth the risk at this price.

2nd chance, meaning 2nd team and maybe leaving all that mess behind him when he was in Tennessee.He probably got his first 2nd chance when he was in Kidnergarden if he want to talk about when that was given out.

There's the problem with your entire post. This isn't a second chance. It's pretty far beyond it. In fact, after all this happened and he was suspended, he met with Goodell and told him he'd keep his nose clean so he could get reinstated. What did he do? Got pulled over for speeding and was reportedly at another strip club. But if you want to call this a "second chance", then fine.

I would agree if it seemed he was having problems because of being in Tennessee. But he wasn't. He was doing all these things on his own time, not around teammates, and in different cities. We're not talking about a guy that didn't get along with teammates and was struggling because of his surroundings. What indication from his past actions (problems in Las Vegas, for example) makes you think that will change just because he went from Tenn to Dallas? I'm sorry but your homerism is really shining through in your excuses for him. If you don't have a problem with Dallas signing him despite his past behavior, then fine. But don't blame his problems on the Titans or his surroundings. Those fall squarely on Pacman's shoulders and the Titans gave him more than enough chances over there. A change in surroundings won't make Pacman any better. Only a change in character will. I'm 99% sure we won't see that change in character happen.

I'll try and be nice but you need to go back and reread my post I guess. I didn't blame anything on the Titans in terms of Pacman Jones or his surroundings. I explained to you what the other guy was talking about in terms of 2nd chance. I went on to talk about he probably was getting 2nd chances since Kidnergarden, further showing that it had nothing to do with the Titans, that it's been an issue with him all along.Just slow down and read before you go posting, it makes all the difference in the world.

I read it. And I see your points elsewhere, but they contradict each other. I bolded the statement above. You said:"2nd chance, meaning 2nd team and maybe leaving all that mess behind him when he was in Tennessee"

He's not leaving all that mess when he was in Tennessee. His "mess" has nothing to do with Tennessee nor did it mostly happen in Tenn. That's why I'm saying if you're calling it a 2nd chance as in a new team, it's not as if the problem was Tenn. You tried to explain what you meant by a second chance as in a new team, but it doesn't apply to him since it wasn't Tenn that was the problem. But, if you think he can have several instances and lump them into just one and call it his "Tennessee experience" and then call this a second chance and call it his "Dallas experience", then great. So if he has 4 run-ins with the law while in Dallas and then gets traded to Arizona, will that be his 3rd chance?

 

[gianmarco]

I don't know what is wrong with giving a person a chance. He's a young kid and can still become a good person. That is ignorant of the sportscaster. Yes I am biased but it happens everywhere in business and life. People make bad choices but that doesn't mean they should be shut out of society. Him giving up his signing bonus to be reinstated shows that he wants to and believes he can change.

I also sensed that this sportscaster was holding a grudge because he was let go by Jones. He said he didn't but just him bringing it up, shows that he does, IMHO. I think there is a difference if your team tolerates this type of behavior by your players on or off the field. Lately all of the Cowboys have stayed out of trouble. Maybe a couple of minor things but for the most part well behaved. I think Jerry is giving this kid a second chance. If he misbehaves and Jerry stands behind him, then shame on Jerry, if he misbehaves and Jerry cuts him, then thats what he should do. I have no problem giving people a second chance as long as you take the appropriate action when or if they mess up. In this case, a great reward if this man turns himself around and if not, it was worth the risk at this price.

There's the problem with your entire post. This isn't a second chance. It's pretty far beyond it. In fact, after all this happened and he was suspended, he met with Goodell and told him he'd keep his nose clean so he could get reinstated. What did he do? Got pulled over for speeding and was reportedly at another strip club. But if you want to call this a "second chance", then fine.

Well I guess it is how we all view a "second chance". He was suspended from the league on ONE occasion for several issues. There are many people in our society (not just pacman or other football players) who dont get held accountable for their actions. Sure they get talked to or dragged through the mud by the media etc but they dont really get held accountable. Now he has been suspended from playing the game he loves and we will see how he responds to that. I also realize that there was a serious issue with the guy that got shot by his bodyguard or someone in his posse. I dont respect the guy as a person for that behavior. However the other things brought up just show poor judgement. You are trashing him for getting a speeding ticket and going to a strip club. I probably need to be locked up cuz I get speeding tickets and go to strip clubs. So I really do see it as one issue because I do not hold anything against him for the speeding ticket or strip club visits. I am probably in the minority, but I know I give second chances to people in my business when others won't so I have a softer side to helping people get through things. In all honesty, I have been burned more times than I have succeeded with this mind set but it is how I believe.

I'm not trashing him for getting a speeding ticket or going to a strip clubs. Are you serious? In a vacuum, of course that's not a big deal. But this isn't a vacuum. This is a guy who's been arrested multiple times and was suspended for one year because of it. He sat in the commissioner's office and told him right in his face that he would keep his nose clean. And THEN he got pulled over. I can't help you if you don't see why that is different from, say, LT getting pulled over for speeding and going to a strip club. You have to take it in context with the rest of his behavior and it IS a problem for him.I will somewhat agree with your statement about this being the first time he's punished so in that sense, it is a second chance. I guess the problem is that his 1st disciplinary action came too late. In that sense, if he has been able to keep clean since then and continues to, then I would agree with that. Just a shame that he hasn't been held accountable earlier on.

 

[DWidmar]

I will somewhat agree with your statement about this being the first time he's punished so in that sense, it is a second chance. I guess the problem is that his 1st disciplinary action came too late. In that sense, if he has been able to keep clean since then and continues to, then I would agree with that. Just a shame that he hasn't been held accountable earlier on.

I agree with you 100%. The NFL teams for the most part, do a poor job of handling discipline. That is why Goodel had to step in and try to fix the negative image the league was getting. Pacman was having run ins with the law and the Titans acted like they were doing something but they really weren't. Had they done something serious sooner maybe this all could have been avoided. The thing I dont get is that the troubled players typically bring your team down. If I have an employee, no matter how good they are, is causing trouble at work or out of work, I fire them. (although I am a sucker for giving them a second chance) I don't want their attitude to carry over to the other employees. I realize that NFL teams have Millions invested and that taking serious actions could cost them for years depending on the player but somebody has to take a stand somewhere. I think the Commish should make exceptions to the salary cap for players who fit a Chris Henry or Pacman. That will give them the ability to do suspend, get rid of, or cut troubled players.

 

[Iwannabeacowboybaby!]

I don't know what is wrong with giving a person a chance. He's a young kid and can still become a good person. That is ignorant of the sportscaster. Yes I am biased but it happens everywhere in business and life. People make bad choices but that doesn't mean they should be shut out of society. Him giving up his signing bonus to be reinstated shows that he wants to and believes he can change.

I also sensed that this sportscaster was holding a grudge because he was let go by Jones. He said he didn't but just him bringing it up, shows that he does, IMHO. I think there is a difference if your team tolerates this type of behavior by your players on or off the field. Lately all of the Cowboys have stayed out of trouble. Maybe a couple of minor things but for the most part well behaved. I think Jerry is giving this kid a second chance. If he misbehaves and Jerry stands behind him, then shame on Jerry, if he misbehaves and Jerry cuts him, then thats what he should do. I have no problem giving people a second chance as long as you take the appropriate action when or if they mess up. In this case, a great reward if this man turns himself around and if not, it was worth the risk at this price.

2nd chance, meaning 2nd team and maybe leaving all that mess behind him when he was in Tennessee.He probably got his first 2nd chance when he was in Kidnergarden if he want to talk about when that was given out.

There's the problem with your entire post. This isn't a second chance. It's pretty far beyond it. In fact, after all this happened and he was suspended, he met with Goodell and told him he'd keep his nose clean so he could get reinstated. What did he do? Got pulled over for speeding and was reportedly at another strip club. But if you want to call this a "second chance", then fine.

I would agree if it seemed he was having problems because of being in Tennessee. But he wasn't. He was doing all these things on his own time, not around teammates, and in different cities. We're not talking about a guy that didn't get along with teammates and was struggling because of his surroundings. What indication from his past actions (problems in Las Vegas, for example) makes you think that will change just because he went from Tenn to Dallas? I'm sorry but your homerism is really shining through in your excuses for him. If you don't have a problem with Dallas signing him despite his past behavior, then fine. But don't blame his problems on the Titans or his surroundings. Those fall squarely on Pacman's shoulders and the Titans gave him more than enough chances over there. A change in surroundings won't make Pacman any better. Only a change in character will. I'm 99% sure we won't see that change in character happen.

I'll try and be nice but you need to go back and reread my post I guess. I didn't blame anything on the Titans in terms of Pacman Jones or his surroundings. I explained to you what the other guy was talking about in terms of 2nd chance. I went on to talk about he probably was getting 2nd chances since Kidnergarden, further showing that it had nothing to do with the Titans, that it's been an issue with him all along.Just slow down and read before you go posting, it makes all the difference in the world.

I read it. And I see your points elsewhere, but they contradict each other. I bolded the statement above. You said:"2nd chance, meaning 2nd team and maybe leaving all that mess behind him when he was in Tennessee"

He's not leaving all that mess when he was in Tennessee. His "mess" has nothing to do with Tennessee nor did it mostly happen in Tenn. That's why I'm saying if you're calling it a 2nd chance as in a new team, it's not as if the problem was Tenn. You tried to explain what you meant by a second chance as in a new team, but it doesn't apply to him since it wasn't Tenn that was the problem. But, if you think he can have several instances and lump them into just one and call it his "Tennessee experience" and then call this a second chance and call it his "Dallas experience", then great. So if he has 4 run-ins with the law while in Dallas and then gets traded to Arizona, will that be his 3rd chance?

2nd chance with another team, not with the law. He's exhausted all of his chances with Tennesse. You're looking at it from the law's side, I'm looking at it from an NFL team's view.This is his 2nd chance on another team. Like I said, he's probably been getting 2nd chances his entire life, starting in grade school. I don't think Tennessee was the problem, nor was his college or his 2nd grade teacher.

I believe he is to blame for what he's done.

I believe Tennessee and the NFL has given him many many chances so far in the league

I believe going to Dallas will be his 2nd chance on another team

I don't believe Tennessee or any other team is to blame for Pacman's behavior

I'm not sure what he'll do in the future, but either does anyone else.

 

[Hoss_Cartwright]

I'm pretty sure he will be out the league soon, and will probably be either dead or in prison within 5 years. How many chances does one get before we finally realize he won't change? He is what he is.

 

[gianmarco]

I don't know what is wrong with giving a person a chance. He's a young kid and can still become a good person. That is ignorant of the sportscaster. Yes I am biased but it happens everywhere in business and life. People make bad choices but that doesn't mean they should be shut out of society. Him giving up his signing bonus to be reinstated shows that he wants to and believes he can change.

I also sensed that this sportscaster was holding a grudge because he was let go by Jones. He said he didn't but just him bringing it up, shows that he does, IMHO. I think there is a difference if your team tolerates this type of behavior by your players on or off the field. Lately all of the Cowboys have stayed out of trouble. Maybe a couple of minor things but for the most part well behaved. I think Jerry is giving this kid a second chance. If he misbehaves and Jerry stands behind him, then shame on Jerry, if he misbehaves and Jerry cuts him, then thats what he should do. I have no problem giving people a second chance as long as you take the appropriate action when or if they mess up. In this case, a great reward if this man turns himself around and if not, it was worth the risk at this price.

2nd chance, meaning 2nd team and maybe leaving all that mess behind him when he was in Tennessee.He probably got his first 2nd chance when he was in Kidnergarden if he want to talk about when that was given out.

There's the problem with your entire post. This isn't a second chance. It's pretty far beyond it. In fact, after all this happened and he was suspended, he met with Goodell and told him he'd keep his nose clean so he could get reinstated. What did he do? Got pulled over for speeding and was reportedly at another strip club. But if you want to call this a "second chance", then fine.

I would agree if it seemed he was having problems because of being in Tennessee. But he wasn't. He was doing all these things on his own time, not around teammates, and in different cities. We're not talking about a guy that didn't get along with teammates and was struggling because of his surroundings. What indication from his past actions (problems in Las Vegas, for example) makes you think that will change just because he went from Tenn to Dallas? I'm sorry but your homerism is really shining through in your excuses for him. If you don't have a problem with Dallas signing him despite his past behavior, then fine. But don't blame his problems on the Titans or his surroundings. Those fall squarely on Pacman's shoulders and the Titans gave him more than enough chances over there. A change in surroundings won't make Pacman any better. Only a change in character will. I'm 99% sure we won't see that change in character happen.

I'll try and be nice but you need to go back and reread my post I guess. I didn't blame anything on the Titans in terms of Pacman Jones or his surroundings. I explained to you what the other guy was talking about in terms of 2nd chance. I went on to talk about he probably was getting 2nd chances since Kidnergarden, further showing that it had nothing to do with the Titans, that it's been an issue with him all along.Just slow down and read before you go posting, it makes all the difference in the world.

I read it. And I see your points elsewhere, but they contradict each other. I bolded the statement above. You said:"2nd chance, meaning 2nd team and maybe leaving all that mess behind him when he was in Tennessee"

He's not leaving all that mess when he was in Tennessee. His "mess" has nothing to do with Tennessee nor did it mostly happen in Tenn. That's why I'm saying if you're calling it a 2nd chance as in a new team, it's not as if the problem was Tenn. You tried to explain what you meant by a second chance as in a new team, but it doesn't apply to him since it wasn't Tenn that was the problem. But, if you think he can have several instances and lump them into just one and call it his "Tennessee experience" and then call this a second chance and call it his "Dallas experience", then great. So if he has 4 run-ins with the law while in Dallas and then gets traded to Arizona, will that be his 3rd chance?

2nd chance with another team, not with the law. He's exhausted all of his chances with Tennesse. You're looking at it from the law's side, I'm looking at it from an NFL team's view.This is his 2nd chance on another team. Like I said, he's probably been getting 2nd chances his entire life, starting in grade school. I don't think Tennessee was the problem, nor was his college or his 2nd grade teacher.

I believe he is to blame for what he's done.

I believe Tennessee and the NFL has given him many many chances so far in the league

I believe going to Dallas will be his 2nd chance on another team

I don't believe Tennessee or any other team is to blame for Pacman's behavior

I'm not sure what he'll do in the future, but either does anyone else.

I think we can agree on all those points. As both DW above and you pointed out, it is a "second chance" in terms of teams and really the NFL in regards to what has been done thus far. I guess the main problem is that nothing was done earlier. For that reason, this is his 2nd but also his last chance to make a change. And it has to be a major and drastic change. I hope for his sake and the NFL's that it works out, I really do. I don't inherently hate people or players and it would be a great story if he can turn it around. I'm HIGHLY doubtful that it can happen, but you never know, esp. considering how Dallas has some people in place to help change that. All that said, I don't fault this newscasters stance and I agree with him as well. I wouldn't lose any sleep whatsoever if Pacman wasn't given this "second chance" and never played again.

 

[BusterTBronco]

Pulled over for speeding?

Oh, my! Goodell needs to lay down the law and give him a lifetime suspension!