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PFFs article about Brady being the best player in 2016 touched on this.
And the funny thing about those guys who most of us would say are below average QBs is they have a combined record of just 3 games under .500. That's a lot better than they should be based on the eye test.
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Interesting quantification. Kind of jibes with my personal take:Run It Up said:
Good post man! You make a great point with Montana's play on the Cheifs but I'm still going Brady and not losing sleep over it. Walsh's system was so far ahead of anyone else that I think it's at least as big an advantage as those that attach everything Brady does to Belichick. And the number of HOF's and near HOF's Montana played with makes it an easy decision for me. I was stunned to find that only SEVEN--that's right--SEVEN players were on the team that beat Seattle. That's just tremendous to be this successful in the salary cap era.
I don't know if that illustrates anything but a guy with a big mouth keeps talking. That is unless you want to recognize the long list of alleged cheats that the Patriots did. This is rhetorical, because you don't.
None of those four WRs on his team this year were bums, which is always the implication.
This part is a little misleading, Lewis was out for most of the year and New England puts their running backs into a position to succeed. They are talented, but not all world talents. I would trade several backfields with New England's in the league.
To pick nits, technically it's FIVE times since 2007 Brady had a first-team All-Pro at WR or TE. Welker was a first-teamer in 2008 . . . the year Brady missed. The year before, Welker was a seconder-teamer.
2016 RT Marcus Cannon 2
2015 TE Rob Gronkowski 1
2014 TE Rob Gronkowski 1
2013 G Logan Mankins 2
2012 G Logan Mankins 2
2011 G Logan Mankins 2
2011 TE Rob Gronkowski 1
2011 WR Wes Welker 1
2010 RT Sebastian Vollmer 2
2010 G Logan Mankins 1
2009 G Logan Mankins 2
2007 C Dan Koppen 2
2007 G Logan Mankins 2
2007 T Matt Light 1
2007 WR Wes Welker 2
2007 WR Randy Moss 1
2001 WR Troy Brown 22014 WR Demaryius Thomas 2
2013 G Louis Vasquez 1
2013 WR Demaryius Thomas 2
2012 T Ryan Clady 1
2010 WR Reggie Wayne 1
2009 C Jeff Saturday 2
2009 TE Dallas Clark 1
2009 WR Reggie Wayne 2
2007 C Jeff Saturday 1
2007 WR Reggie Wayne 2
2006 C Jeff Saturday 2
2006 WR Marvin Harrison 1
2005 C Jeff Saturday 1
2005 WR Marvin Harrison 2
2005 RB Edgerrin James 1
2004 WR Marvin Harrison 2
2004 RB Edgerrin James 2
2003 WR Marvin Harrison 2
2002 WR Marvin Harrison 1
2001 WR Marvin Harrison 2
2000 WR Marvin Harrison 2
2000 RB Edgerrin James 2
1999 WR Marvin Harrison 1
1999 RB Edgerrin James 1
1998 RB Marshall Faulk 2It's not trash, but it's far from elite. And more often than not, that has been the case throughout his career.
These guys are not "elite" like a Julio or AB, true. I doubt that any of them would make the catch that Julio made in the SB over Eric Rowe. There are a set of singular physical talents out there, and NE does not typically ( outside of Moss ) bring in those guys.
Name the number 3 RB on those teams. None are as good as D Lewis.
Get a grip. This week, most are calling him the GOAT amongst QBs, and many are now calling him the best football player ever. And you think everyone takes him for granted?
To the 1st part it doesn't really matter, some teams have 2 running backs that are so much better than Blount and White or Lewis(depends on who you put first) that the 3rd guy could be anyone, but I will play it your way
It's true that NE's best RB doesn't touch the best RB from quite a few NFL teams, but that really wasn't the point, to quibble over which teams had the best 1-3 RBs. The point was that the NE offense had a lot of talent at the skill positions this year. No one who is an All-Pro, but I am just saying, for as great as Brady is, people need to stop with the "he is winning with less" narrative, because it simply is not true anymore.
We will just have to agree to disagree. Matt Ryan has better receivers, better running backs and a better line and Brady did more, the same can be said about Dallas, the same about Green Bay minus the running game, every year New England is a top offense and you look across the NFL and usually the top offenses have more/equal weapons than Brady.
Well, random internet poster thinks it's not close. I guess that settles it, guys!
Brady had a very solid WR corps this season. I'd say probably top 10. He had 4 good WRs. His OL was good this year I wouldn't say top 10 because I think he masks some of their deficiency by getting rid of the ball quickly and moving well inside the pocket. They were a mess last year and he hid it most of the time. His TEs on paper were the best in the NFL. In actuality Gronk barely played and Bennett was playing through injury. Limited Bennett was still good. So they weren't playing with JAGs. I'm not sure how I'd rate them personally. Probably top 15 at least. The RBs... Dion never quite looked like the guy before the injury. Blount looked good but his per carry numbers were just average. White was a very good receiving back all year and special in the Superbowl. I wouldn't say the RBs were great. I'd say top 10 at best.
People are going to prefer who they prefer and,yes, that is loaded with bias. My favorite is still Marino on a nostalgic level but when I look back at numbers and team achievements that is hard to defend. One thing I've always considered in Brady v. Manning is the huge difference in their draft stock. Peyton was anointed a QB at an early age while Brady had to work hard for it; both in college and the pros. The mental toughness displayed in the SB is a great example and it is shocking Brady has come this far, especially if you've seen combine video of a scrawny kid. This isn't to say Manning didn't work hard, but Brady was more of an underdog to me.
I'm just trying to understand how this is a top ten wide receiving corps or even pass catching group.
Good to hear him say that. Maybe it will shut up the ridiculousness surrounding Brady. What I've been saying all along. Put Manning or Brees or Rodgers in NE under that coaching and they are right there with Brady.
I think some people confuse best athlete and best athlete at their job. For example, I doubt Wayne Gretzky was the fastest skater or most skilled, but he was by far the best hockey player ever because of everything he brought to the table, which included the neck up. In the case of Brady, I am sure if they did a skills competition for running and jumping, he wouldn't finish at the top, but who cares? He plays QB, and for that position, he has done it about as well as anyone ever has. I saw someone on TV making the argument that Deion Sanders was a better athlete because he could run faster.
There was another person confusing best athlete with best athlete at their job.
I know that's been your criticism for a while and I hesitated to post because I knew you'd be in here to say something about it, again.
No denying he's great and accurate. He wouldn't be around this long if he wasn't accurate. The difference between the 1st and 2nd halves is the Pats O wore down the ATL D. He was awful in the 1st half BECAUSE the DL was getting to him. He was missing guys left and right. In the 2nd half, he had the time to make those throws.
at the "takes Brady for granted" Tom's a smart guy.
3rd most games over. 500, 7th best playoff record. Best in the recent era. The only current coaches I think have a legit chance of getting near him are Tomlin, McCarthy and Carroll. But they have a ways to go. Not coincidentally, they all have great QBs they kind of lucked into.
Carroll has no shot of getting close to him, and the only reason either of the other two is that they have so many more years to coach that it can't be viewed as impossible. But the odds of either doing so are virtually nil.
Yeah, laughing...Carroll is actually a year older than Belichick so I don't think that's happening. Plus, if you are going to call Belichick a cheater, let's talk about Carroll's reign at USC. He left them in shambles.
He's simply coaching at a different level. Everyone else reacts to changes. They are the copy catters. He makes changes. Once someone figures him out, he changes it up. He wins with inferior teams but he definitely needs a HOF QB to win SBs with the cast he surrounds the QB with. That's not a knock. He would simply build a powerhouse D if he had a lesser QB.
