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Surprised he made it past halftime to be honest..
Knowing the Spanos family they'll just make him permanent for next year.You'd have to assume under-performing Kellen Moore will take the reins as the interim HC.
Knowing the Spanos family they have a call into Norv Turner.Knowing the Spanos family they'll just make him permanent for next year.You'd have to assume under-performing Kellen Moore will take the reins as the interim HC.
He will never be a HC again.He'll get another job and then another HC spot.
Who is the acting or interim coach?
Poor Kotite. He has survived all these years as the ur-example of a horrible coach. He was actually successful with the Eagles, with a winning record and a few playoff appearances, but he bottomed out with the Jets (4-28). I don't have a lot of specific memories of him, but if I hear the name I immediately think "horrible coach", just like if I hear Jeff Fischer's name I immediately think "mediocre coach".
But why him and not, say, Hue Jackson, who went 3-36 and is one of only two coaches to go 0-16? (The other was Rod Marinelli, but I think his rep was saved by the fact that he's considered an excellent defensive coach who was out of his depth at HC). I'm reminded of an explanation I once read in The Straight Dope about why the Mona Lisa is considered the greatest painting ever. You can talk about the smile, or some of the things Da Vinci did with the background, but ultimately, something's gotta be considered the greatest, so why not that one? I think Kotite may be the Mona Lisa of bad HCs
He will, everyone gets another shot. Just look at McDaniels (and Norv). He may prove to be a good DC and should stay in that role though.He will never be a HC again.He'll get another job and then another HC spot.
Who is the acting or interim coach?
He may be the worst coach in history.
Don't worry. The next guy will be a lot like the last three.This stinks, I was really hoping he'd stick around.
Maybe the issue with The Chargers is a little higher up the food chain than coaching?
It seems we've been saying these things about The Chargers for years.Maybe the issue with The Chargers is a little higher up the food chain than coaching?
Can you elaborate?
The roster is excellent. The Quarterback is excellent. I'm going to credit the GM with that.
For ownership, I don't envision the owner making a change there.
Kotite will always be remembered in Philly for his 7-2 start in 1994 where we managed to finish 7-9 to close out the season. It was unquantifiable how he got another job after that let alone 2 years in NY before fading into the sunset.Poor Kotite. He has survived all these years as the ur-example of a horrible coach. He was actually successful with the Eagles, with a winning record and a few playoff appearances, but he bottomed out with the Jets (4-28). I don't have a lot of specific memories of him, but if I hear the name I immediately think "horrible coach", just like if I hear Jeff Fischer's name I immediately think "mediocre coach".
But why him and not, say, Hue Jackson, who went 3-36 and is one of only two coaches to go 0-16? (The other was Rod Marinelli, but I think his rep was saved by the fact that he's considered an excellent defensive coach who was out of his depth at HC). I'm reminded of an explanation I once read in The Straight Dope about why the Mona Lisa is considered the greatest painting ever. You can talk about the smile, or some of the things Da Vinci did with the background, but ultimately, something's gotta be considered the greatest, so why not that one? I think Kotite may be the Mona Lisa of bad HCs
A lot of it is probably contextual. In Philly he took over for Buddy Ryan who I recall being a pretty popular coach there. Kotite did take them to the playoffs once but they generally got worse under his tenure. Then in two years with the Jets he went 3-13 and 1-15, the latter being tied for the worst 16-game record ever (at the time; it had only been done a few times, and it wasn't until the late 2000s that a team finally went 0-16). He was succeeded there by a legendary coach in Parcells who immediately made the Jets a winning team, which didn't help Kotite's legacy. And it happened in New York, as opposed to a place like Cleveland or Indianapolis.
I agree with you that he's not the best example to hold up as the worst, especially now, but his name just kinda sticks around in the conversation. It's like if you're talking about greatest QBs ever someone will inevitably throw in a name like Fran Tarkenton or whatever. He might've been in the discussion fifty years ago, just like it might've made sense to discuss Kotite as worst coach ever 25 years ago, but now it just seems silly to mention them when there have been much better examples in the decades since.
TBH the organization needs Dean and Alex Spanos to go full Dan Snyder so the Chargers can out the Spanos family and get new ownership. Maybe the new owners will realize how stupid it is that the Chargers are in LA and move them back to SD. One can only hope Dean's sister is successful in selling the team.Maybe the issue with The Chargers is a little higher up the food chain than coaching?
Can you elaborate?
The roster is excellent. The Quarterback is excellent. I'm going to credit the GM with that.
For ownership, I don't envision the owner making a change there.
The GM was let go after 11 years, the Chargers have a history of hiring coaches that do not embody a culture in San Diego or Los Angeles.Maybe the issue with The Chargers is a little higher up the food chain than coaching?
Can you elaborate?
The roster is excellent. The Quarterback is excellent. I'm going to credit the GM with that.
For ownership, I don't envision the owner making a change there.
Should have been 9PM PSTI thought about putting up a post soliciting guesses as to what time today it would go down. I was going to say 9 PST, which would have been dead-onJust fired along with GM
I actually didn’t hate the Mack acquisition. It’s the kind of move this team never makes and he has played pretty well. But he can’t cover receivers and Bosa can’t stay healthy beside him.Khalil Mack trade was a franchise killer. And committing to Mike Williams. Definitely seems like poor management that is being meddled by the ownership. They traded picks and assumed Mack’s contract when he was clearly declining.
Let’s not forget that Quentin Johnson is also looking like a huge miss. Year 1 wr production is assumed these days.
Lastly, Staley was just a big nerd and had the deer in headlights look. I’m guessing the whole team expected him to be gone last year and were probably bummed he wasn’t
There's nothing wrong with Herbert that A good OC and HC wouldn't fix. Dude had mad talent.LAC should start a rebuild and draft a decent QB.. That would be a start.
Of course there is nothing wrong with him, outside not being as good as some fans and the media thinks he is..There's nothing wrong with Herbert that A good OC and HC wouldn't fix. Dude had mad talent.LAC should start a rebuild and draft a decent QB.. That would be a start.
Of course there is nothing wrong with him, outside not being as good as some fans and the media thinks he is..There's nothing wrong with Herbert that A good OC and HC wouldn't fix. Dude had mad talent.LAC should start a rebuild and draft a decent QB.. That would be a start.
maybe a Good OC will have him rise above his abilities, but this is what year 4 and he has played in 1 playoff game.
Not a Duck fan?Of course there is nothing wrong with him, outside not being as good as some fans and the media thinks he is..There's nothing wrong with Herbert that A good OC and HC wouldn't fix. Dude had mad talent.LAC should start a rebuild and draft a decent QB.. That would be a start.
maybe a Good OC will have him rise above his abilities, but this is what year 4 and he has played in 1 playoff game.
overrated as hell
Gotta wonder what he’d go for. Patriots first the next three years?LAC should start a rebuild and draft a decent QB.. That would be a start.
I am not so sure about Staley. And not every former HC gets another chance.He will, everyone gets another shot. Just look at McDaniels (and Norv). He may prove to be a good DC and should stay in that role though.He will never be a HC again.He'll get another job and then another HC spot.
Who is the acting or interim coach?
I am sure a team would be happy to overpay for him.Gotta wonder what he’d go for. Patriots first the next three years?LAC should start a rebuild and draft a decent QB.. That would be a start.
I guess it will come down to how well the next defense does and how he can convince teams he's learned from this and can be a successful HC.I am not so sure about Staley. And not every former HC gets another chance.He will, everyone gets another shot. Just look at McDaniels (and Norv). He may prove to be a good DC and should stay in that role though.He will never be a HC again.He'll get another job and then another HC spot.
Who is the acting or interim coach?
It would surprise me if he gets another HC gig vs a DC gig.
Most mocks I see have them drinking the Kool-Aid McKinstry, but that was before all this free fall and finally firing. O Line and D (DLine and LB for sure) continue to be needs. RB will be a day 2 need (Ek on the downhill, Spiller and Kelly are not starters).Looks like they are going to have a pretty good daft pick coming up. Does anyone think they’ll add a lineman, O or D? I sure don’t. But that’s what they should do. Pick the DB and WR in round 2-4.
It's awfully hard to project what this roster might look like heading into the draft. They are currently $45m over the cap. Here are some of the biggest cap hits for next year and their NFL rank.Looks like they are going to have a pretty good daft pick coming up. Does anyone think they’ll add a lineman, O or D? I sure don’t. But that’s what they should do. Pick the DB and WR in round 2-4.
We need @Just Win Baby to chime in on dead money, and we can probably take this to the Chargers thread, but I think they keep Mack, Keenan and Derwin and Bosa and Williams are done. I don't think they can trade them with those numbers.It's awfully hard to project what this roster might look like heading into the draft. They are currently $45m over the cap. Here are some of the biggest cap hits for next year and their NFL rank.Looks like they are going to have a pretty good daft pick coming up. Does anyone think they’ll add a lineman, O or D? I sure don’t. But that’s what they should do. Pick the DB and WR in round 2-4.
9. Mack - $38.5m (FA in 2025)
10. Bosa - $36.6m (FA in 2026)
13. Keenan - 34.7m (FA in 2025)
15. M. Williams - $32.5m (FA in 2025)
89. Derwin - $19.9m (FA in 2027)
91. Herbert - $19.3m (FA in 2030)
It seems to me like one or both edge rushers will be gone after this year and one or both WRs will be gone after this year. If so, they both need to be addressed early in the draft.
We need @Just Win Baby to chime in on dead money, and we can probably take this to the Chargers thread, but I think they keep Mack, Keenan and Derwin and Bosa and Williams are done. I don't think they can trade them with those numbers.It's awfully hard to project what this roster might look like heading into the draft. They are currently $45m over the cap. Here are some of the biggest cap hits for next year and their NFL rank.Looks like they are going to have a pretty good daft pick coming up. Does anyone think they’ll add a lineman, O or D? I sure don’t. But that’s what they should do. Pick the DB and WR in round 2-4.
9. Mack - $38.5m (FA in 2025)
10. Bosa - $36.6m (FA in 2026)
13. Keenan - 34.7m (FA in 2025)
15. M. Williams - $32.5m (FA in 2025)
89. Derwin - $19.9m (FA in 2027)
91. Herbert - $19.3m (FA in 2030)
It seems to me like one or both edge rushers will be gone after this year and one or both WRs will be gone after this year. If so, they both need to be addressed early in the draft.
I think both receivers are gone if it's cap-feasible to do so. They have Palmer, can draft a guy, pick up a reasonable move-the-chains guy in free agency and can still hope Q. Johnston makes a jump in his second year. Throw in decent TE play and that's plenty for Herbert with good coaching.It's awfully hard to project what this roster might look like heading into the draft. They are currently $45m over the cap. Here are some of the biggest cap hits for next year and their NFL rank.Looks like they are going to have a pretty good daft pick coming up. Does anyone think they’ll add a lineman, O or D? I sure don’t. But that’s what they should do. Pick the DB and WR in round 2-4.
9. Mack - $38.5m (FA in 2025)
10. Bosa - $36.6m (FA in 2026)
13. Keenan - 34.7m (FA in 2025)
15. M. Williams - $32.5m (FA in 2025)
89. Derwin - $19.9m (FA in 2027)
91. Herbert - $19.3m (FA in 2030)
It seems to me like one or both edge rushers will be gone after this year and one or both WRs will be gone after this year. If so, they both need to be addressed early in the draft.
Kotite's success came with Buddy Ryan's roster. Then he collapsed epically in 1994, starting 7-2 and losing the final 7 games, the last one to the Bengals, who were by far the worst team in the league. That got him fired by Jeffrey Lurie, who had bought the Eagles less than a year before. He then went to the Jets who had about zero talent and his teams were predictably horrendous. But it wasn't just his record with the Jets that got him his reputation, it was the sheer delusion he displayed in his press conferences. And because it happened in New York, the whole country heard about it.Poor Kotite. He has survived all these years as the ur-example of a horrible coach. He was actually successful with the Eagles, with a winning record and a few playoff appearances, but he bottomed out with the Jets (4-28). I don't have a lot of specific memories of him, but if I hear the name I immediately think "horrible coach", just like if I hear Jeff Fischer's name I immediately think "mediocre coach".Rich Kotite checking inLes than Steckel?He may be the worst coach in history.
But why him and not, say, Hue Jackson, who went 3-36 and is one of only two coaches to go 0-16? (The other was Rod Marinelli, but I think his rep was saved by the fact that he's considered an excellent defensive coach who was out of his depth at HC). I'm reminded of an explanation I once read in The Straight Dope about why the Mona Lisa is considered the greatest painting ever. You can talk about the smile, or some of the things Da Vinci did with the background, but ultimately, something's gotta be considered the greatest, so why not that one? I think Kotite may be the Mona Lisa of bad HCs
Yeah, it wasn't just that the teams were so bad (& they were), but that he was also so tone-deaf. Add in that it happened in NYC - and WFAN was at the height of its power, which was no small thing in the 90s.Kotite's success came with Buddy Ryan's roster. Then he collapsed epically in 1994, starting 7-2 and losing the final 7 games, the last one to the Bengals, who were by far the worst team in the league. That got him fired by Jeffrey Lurie, who had bought the Eagles less than a year before. He then went to the Jets who had about zero talent and his teams were predictably horrendous. But it wasn't just his record with the Jets that got him his reputation, it was the sheer delusion he displayed in his press conferences. And because it happened in New York, the whole country heard about it.Poor Kotite. He has survived all these years as the ur-example of a horrible coach. He was actually successful with the Eagles, with a winning record and a few playoff appearances, but he bottomed out with the Jets (4-28). I don't have a lot of specific memories of him, but if I hear the name I immediately think "horrible coach", just like if I hear Jeff Fischer's name I immediately think "mediocre coach".Rich Kotite checking inLes than Steckel?He may be the worst coach in history.
But why him and not, say, Hue Jackson, who went 3-36 and is one of only two coaches to go 0-16? (The other was Rod Marinelli, but I think his rep was saved by the fact that he's considered an excellent defensive coach who was out of his depth at HC). I'm reminded of an explanation I once read in The Straight Dope about why the Mona Lisa is considered the greatest painting ever. You can talk about the smile, or some of the things Da Vinci did with the background, but ultimately, something's gotta be considered the greatest, so why not that one? I think Kotite may be the Mona Lisa of bad HCs
Ray Handley performed just as terrible with the Giants as Kotite did with the Jets, but his press conferences weren't meme-able.
I think both receivers are gone if it's cap-feasible to do so. They have Palmer, can draft a guy, pick up a reasonable move-the-chains guy in free agency and can still hope Q. Johnston makes a jump in his second year. Throw in decent TE play and that's plenty for Herbert with good coaching.It's awfully hard to project what this roster might look like heading into the draft. They are currently $45m over the cap. Here are some of the biggest cap hits for next year and their NFL rank.Looks like they are going to have a pretty good daft pick coming up. Does anyone think they’ll add a lineman, O or D? I sure don’t. But that’s what they should do. Pick the DB and WR in round 2-4.
9. Mack - $38.5m (FA in 2025)
10. Bosa - $36.6m (FA in 2026)
13. Keenan - 34.7m (FA in 2025)
15. M. Williams - $32.5m (FA in 2025)
89. Derwin - $19.9m (FA in 2027)
91. Herbert - $19.3m (FA in 2030)
It seems to me like one or both edge rushers will be gone after this year and one or both WRs will be gone after this year. If so, they both need to be addressed early in the draft.
Brandon Staley’s Chargers’ tenure always will be remembered and defined by memorable moments from each of the past three seasons.
2021: Lost a Week 18 win-or-go-home game to Raiders.
2022: Lost 31-30 to the Jaguars in the playoffs after being up 27-0.
2023: Fired after losing in historic fashion to the Raiders, 63-21.
Yep. At the time I was working in Central Jersey and had WFAN on often, and the clowning on Kotite was nonstop.Yeah, it wasn't just that the teams were so bad (& they were), but that he was also so tone-deaf. Add in that it happened in NYC - and WFAN was at the height of its power, which was no small thing in the 90s.Kotite's success came with Buddy Ryan's roster. Then he collapsed epically in 1994, starting 7-2 and losing the final 7 games, the last one to the Bengals, who were by far the worst team in the league. That got him fired by Jeffrey Lurie, who had bought the Eagles less than a year before. He then went to the Jets who had about zero talent and his teams were predictably horrendous. But it wasn't just his record with the Jets that got him his reputation, it was the sheer delusion he displayed in his press conferences. And because it happened in New York, the whole country heard about it.Poor Kotite. He has survived all these years as the ur-example of a horrible coach. He was actually successful with the Eagles, with a winning record and a few playoff appearances, but he bottomed out with the Jets (4-28). I don't have a lot of specific memories of him, but if I hear the name I immediately think "horrible coach", just like if I hear Jeff Fischer's name I immediately think "mediocre coach".Rich Kotite checking inLes than Steckel?He may be the worst coach in history.
But why him and not, say, Hue Jackson, who went 3-36 and is one of only two coaches to go 0-16? (The other was Rod Marinelli, but I think his rep was saved by the fact that he's considered an excellent defensive coach who was out of his depth at HC). I'm reminded of an explanation I once read in The Straight Dope about why the Mona Lisa is considered the greatest painting ever. You can talk about the smile, or some of the things Da Vinci did with the background, but ultimately, something's gotta be considered the greatest, so why not that one? I think Kotite may be the Mona Lisa of bad HCs
Ray Handley performed just as terrible with the Giants as Kotite did with the Jets, but his press conferences weren't meme-able.