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you're welcome to call them a great defense but they were a 5-13 team without Brady and a 14-3 championship team with him. If you want to use turnovers as the reason they won them the fact that Brady threw 12 picks and manning threw 28 ought to be brought up.
So he threw a lot and wasn't good at it. Who was he throwing to, by the way? Any hall of famers? Just marshall faulk and Marvin Harrison?
He ran for a td in the Raiders game and got hurt in the steelers game. He led a game winning field goal drove in the superbowl that most coaches wouldn't even have let him try. But yes, like you said with manning, he did what was asked of him, he had an 18 to 12 td/int ratio, he played conservative ball with significantly below average receivers and turned troy brown into a 100 catch receiver overnight.
Again, you can say the same about Manning's title. 3 TDs to 7 INTs, I am pretty sure that he is the only SB winning QB that threw twice as many INTs in his playoff run than TDs. 47% of the Colts' points were scored by the kicker vs. 40% for Brady in 2001. If there is a guy that can be argued was carried to his title based on the D and K it was Manning - not Brady.
Brady was in his first year as a starter. In Manning's Superbowl season - his 8th(?) as a starter - he threw 3 TDs in 4 playoff games, along with 7 picks. He had one game where he threw for 170 yards and 2 picks, and his team did not score a singleTD, but they still won. Luckily his defense generated 13 turnovers of their own during the 4 playoff games - 3.25 per game for those keeping score at home. They also held opponents to 16.25 ppg and 239 ypg compared to the 15.7 ppg and 321 ypg for Brady in 01.
I agree with most of this except for the assertion that Manning played under duress the whole game. He was threw the ball 57 times and was only touched once. Brady on the other hand was touched 8 times, which is still pretty good protection.
You don't honestly believe this, do you? His arm has never been great, but it has been obviously weaker post operation(s).
Being rainy in Miami in February is a hell of a lot different than playing in the cold and snow in New England over the winter. No one ever said he can't win in the rain either, it's the cold that he can't get it done in.
lol ... insufferable. Probably a meteorological stat out there that shows wind and frozen precipitation rates always increased when Brady had the ball
Why does everyone assume Denver is really cold? It's not. Other places in Colorado yeah, but Denver is actually pretty mild compared to New England.
google's your friend --Avg low in Denver for Dec. -> Feb is 16, 16, 18 degrees -- Boston 28, 22, 25
Wow. You seriously have no idea what you're talking about AT ALL. Someone from Denver should actually chime in, because the fact that you think Denver is colder than Boston is absolutely hilarious. You obviously didn't do enough research on Google. Due to the altitude Denver has very mild winters, with an average winter temperature of 45 degrees, and it's not uncommon for it to hit 60. Denver gets more annual hours of sun than Miami and San Diego. It's a totally different climate than Boston. Snow doesn't even stay on the ground for long in Denver because of the climate. Get your facts straight first before you try making a point. Boston and New England in general have much colder winters than Denver.
My guess is you are 12 y/o old and don't travel much
--ok I lose. Brady wins, and Boston fans win even with the wickedest weather on the planet.Someone's a little salty huh?My guess is you are 12 y/o old and don't travel much
it's a good thing they don't play football at 5AM (when you see daily lows). Now compare average high temps.
I live in Denver. Manning has played in very few bad weather games here. In fact, I would guess the number is 3 or less. By bad weather I mean 15+ MPH winds or sub 30 degrees with precipitation or sub 15 degree with wind chill. The vast majority of his games in Denver have had very mild conditions.
wow. so its actually NICER and WAY easier on Manning in Denver than it was indoors!
No, it's not nicer than the dome he played 12 ( 13? ) years in. However, looking at the game logs, he's played exactly 2 games under 30 degrees at home since moving to Denver, one in 2012 and one in 2013. He's also played 2 games in Dec/Jan at home that were over 60 degrees.
How would you explain Schroeder and FBOC then? Those two are the first that jump to the forefront for me in this debate.
You may want to extend an apology. Not only are you way wrong but then you played the 12 yo card on top of it.My guess is you are 12 y/o old and don't travel much
which temperature do think is closer to game time temps? The high, which generally registers in mid afternoon, or the low, which generally registers in the early AM hours?Ya, but why compare highs either?
In general that is correct, but average takes into account the whole day and Denver, being intercontinental sees drastic changes in weather faster than say Boston which is more maritime. So, given that, Manning, even in the middle of the day, likely has to deal with faster changes in weather and temperature than Mr. Tom Brady. So clearly, Manning is the better quarterbackwhich temperature do think is closer to game time temps? The high, which generally registers in mid afternoon, or the low, which generally registers in the early AM hours?Ya, but why compare highs either?
Answer that, and I bet you can answer your own.
I live in Denver - you are wrong.In general that is correct, but average takes into account the whole day and Denver, being intercontinental sees drastic changes in weather faster than say Boston which is more maritime. So, given that, Manning, even in the middle of the day, likely has to deal with faster changes in weather and temperature than Mr. Tom Brady. So clearly, Manning is the better quarterbackwhich temperature do think is closer to game time temps? The high, which generally registers in mid afternoon, or the low, which generally registers in the early AM hours?Ya, but why compare highs either?
Answer that, and I bet you can answer your own.
I grew up in Maine and currently live in Denver. They are not even close. Winter here is pretty nice, winter there is brutal. Denver is a much better place to live just looking at weather (and honestly everything else).
Of course we have to have it, it's a great sports topic, they both continue to win and it is perpetually timely since they play each other every year. Nothing can be settled until they are done playing and if one doesn't win another title or 2 it probably won't ever be "settled". Nothing wrong with that, it's all good, take a position and put up your dukesAnarchy99 said:
or sit back and enjoy or ignore the spectacle.
Just finished watching the Denver-St. Louis game and it's more clear than ever that Manning's arm isn't what it once was. He struggles to throw the ball 50 yards down field, and at that distance it's a duck.
