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Review of the Planet Hollywood:Pros:Clean, nice looking, and spacious roomsolid cocktail service with fairly attractive waitressesWas very soft tonight(obviously not sure about always)Nice and friendly floor who bought us all sandwiches and donutsCons:Max of $200 buy in on $1/2Not as many games running as the bigger roomsNo comp cardIf you've been following my blog, you'll remember that I said the softest game I ever sat in was my first night ever at the MGM....well this rivaled that. I sat down and it was only 5 handed. But the game quickly grew and there were just some horrible players at the table.Two big hands that I had early on in the session:7 handed, I have AKs in the BB. MP fish raises to $10. Total maniac on the button min raises to $20....he could literally(and I mean literally) have 27os here and it wouldn't surprise me. I pop it to $100 and I have about $80 behind. I GET 3 CALLERS! Flop comes AK9 with 2 diamonds. I briefly contemplate a slowplay, then I realize how utterly stupid that would be with a pot so big. I push for $80 more and they all fold.Very next hand I get QQ. A ton of limpers, I raise to $17 and get 4 callers. Flop comes J82 with 2 clubs. MP fish bets $50, maniac calls. I raise to $250. SB basically lets the entire table know that he has the flush draw by his talk and folds after thinking for 2 or 3 minutes. MP fish and maniac call me, MP fish is now all in. Turn is a 9. Maniac checks, I put him all in for about $200 more, he calls. River is a ten of clubs....pretty good card for me, giving me the straight now. I show my QQ. MP fish shows J7os and mucks it. Maniac shows JQ and we split the pot. Oh well, not horrible but still sucked to split.Table talk was ridiculous. Through small talk I revealed to a few people that I was a pro. The dealer imparts some great advice: "You'll never make it as a pro playing No Limit...too many swings. Stick to limit." Ummmmmm....ok. Maniac then tells me that hes thinking about going pro. He then asks me "How do you do it?" regarding downswings. I tell him that if you're properly bankrolled its not a big deal. He repeats "Yeah, but how do you do it?" about 5 times as I look at him quizically. Guy to my immediate right tells me that hes down $2300 on his trip just from buying in $100 at a time. He then asks me "If you wanted to make $2300 back in one session, what would you play? Should I shortstack a huge game at the Bellagio?" I mean, I never want to turn a fish into a decent player, but I felt pretty bad for the guy. That was nothing though.....he then says "Yeah I'm down about $70,000 overall playing poker.....if I wanted to take a shot to win that all back in one session, what stakes do you think I should play?" I really didn't even know what to say.Anyway, ended up winning $545 in less than 5 hours....not bad at all. Probably will check Planet Hollywood out again, although I do think the no comp card thing kinda sucks, as unless you get a good floorperson who is willing to hook you up you're going to miss out on comps(and even when he does hook you up, I then usually feel obligated to throw him $5).
Go back to the Real World: WSOP thread. I speak about PH and the massively stupid sized game we played there. I really think it's that soft all the time.
 
Review of the Planet Hollywood:

Guy to my immediate right tells me that hes down $2300 on his trip just from buying in $100 at a time. He then asks me "If you wanted to make $2300 back in one session, what would you play? Should I shortstack a huge game at the Bellagio?" I mean, I never want to turn a fish into a decent player, but I felt pretty bad for the guy. That was nothing though.....he then says "Yeah I'm down about $70,000 overall playing poker.....if I wanted to take a shot to win that all back in one session, what stakes do you think I should play?" I really didn't even know what to say.

Anyway, ended up winning $545 in less than 5 hours....not bad at all. Probably will check Planet Hollywood out again, although I do think the no comp card thing kinda sucks, as unless you get a good floorperson who is willing to hook you up you're going to miss out on comps(and even when he does hook you up, I then usually feel obligated to throw him $5).
$100K buy-in heads up with jwvdcw...
He actually did tell me that he liked heads up poker a lot and asked if I knew of any live room that would spread it, which I told him "not unless you're playing real high." I possibly could've gotten a heads up game with him last night, but the main game was too soft and I honestly did feel a bit bad for him.
 
Joe T said:
I don't understand why you wouldn't want to play live more than on-line? Especially on weekends when vegas is crowded with the weekend travelers just there for fun (ie non-pros).Also, why would you ever mention that you are a pro at a table full of lesser players?If someone ever did that at a table I was at in vegas I would either tighten my play up so much that my #### hole hurt or I would get up and find another table... :popcorn:
I play live at least 3 or 4 times per week. Its much more physically demanding playing live. I have to shower, dress nice, etc. and then drive there. I can't just take a quick break while playing and watch some tv or take a nap...once I'm there I have to get all my play in. There are obviously less hands per hour and one bad beat can mean a losing day.I like playing live, but the potential money online is so much better. Less rake(and rakeback), more hands per hour, easier playing conditions. The only advantage of live is minimal risk due to ridiculously soft play.Right now I've struck a really good balance between the two. I'm making really good money this past month, and most importantly I'm happy and enjoying it- the last part is vital. While I understand that my "job" comes across as easy and carefree, it can be tough at times. And keeping in a good mindset is more important than maximizing your short term EV imo.Warning: I may come across as arrogant in the rest of this post and I aplogize in advance....Regarding mentioning I was a pro, he asked me what I did for a living and I told him :lmao:I've had a few conversations on this board with guys like BostonFred, Dodds, and others who go out of their way to create some sort of image or to influence guys to play badly. And I just don't think its necessary. I'll be the first to admit that there are a lot of guys who win more money in tough games than me. However in $1/2 live I think that my hourly rate is as good as anyone I've ever met.(according to Barry Greenstein's ranking system, I'd give myself a 5 in tough games and a 10 in soft games). I once played a few sessions with my uncle right before I left for Vegas in Atlantic City and his remarks to me were "You play very well, but you come across as a good player....I always like to 'play dumb' and fumble my chips, forget to post my blinds, etc."I dunno, it just doesn't seem to matter to me. And I think that fish are a lot less likely to change their ways due to what we do than we think. I think the whole "don't tap the glass" mantra is overrated. And I don't care if I scare one fish away, someone else will replace him and I'll take his money. $1/2 live is just so utterly soft that I don't worry too much about stuff like that, and in my experience(probably around 500 hours of live play in 2007) it really doesn't matter much.
 
Review of the Planet Hollywood:Pros:Clean, nice looking, and spacious roomsolid cocktail service with fairly attractive waitressesWas very soft tonight(obviously not sure about always)Nice and friendly floor who bought us all sandwiches and donutsCons:Max of $200 buy in on $1/2Not as many games running as the bigger roomsNo comp cardIf you've been following my blog, you'll remember that I said the softest game I ever sat in was my first night ever at the MGM....well this rivaled that. I sat down and it was only 5 handed. But the game quickly grew and there were just some horrible players at the table.Two big hands that I had early on in the session:7 handed, I have AKs in the BB. MP fish raises to $10. Total maniac on the button min raises to $20....he could literally(and I mean literally) have 27os here and it wouldn't surprise me. I pop it to $100 and I have about $80 behind. I GET 3 CALLERS! Flop comes AK9 with 2 diamonds. I briefly contemplate a slowplay, then I realize how utterly stupid that would be with a pot so big. I push for $80 more and they all fold.Very next hand I get QQ. A ton of limpers, I raise to $17 and get 4 callers. Flop comes J82 with 2 clubs. MP fish bets $50, maniac calls. I raise to $250. SB basically lets the entire table know that he has the flush draw by his talk and folds after thinking for 2 or 3 minutes. MP fish and maniac call me, MP fish is now all in. Turn is a 9. Maniac checks, I put him all in for about $200 more, he calls. River is a ten of clubs....pretty good card for me, giving me the straight now. I show my QQ. MP fish shows J7os and mucks it. Maniac shows JQ and we split the pot. Oh well, not horrible but still sucked to split.Table talk was ridiculous. Through small talk I revealed to a few people that I was a pro. The dealer imparts some great advice: "You'll never make it as a pro playing No Limit...too many swings. Stick to limit." Ummmmmm....ok. Maniac then tells me that hes thinking about going pro. He then asks me "How do you do it?" regarding downswings. I tell him that if you're properly bankrolled its not a big deal. He repeats "Yeah, but how do you do it?" about 5 times as I look at him quizically. Guy to my immediate right tells me that hes down $2300 on his trip just from buying in $100 at a time. He then asks me "If you wanted to make $2300 back in one session, what would you play? Should I shortstack a huge game at the Bellagio?" I mean, I never want to turn a fish into a decent player, but I felt pretty bad for the guy. That was nothing though.....he then says "Yeah I'm down about $70,000 overall playing poker.....if I wanted to take a shot to win that all back in one session, what stakes do you think I should play?" I really didn't even know what to say.Anyway, ended up winning $545 in less than 5 hours....not bad at all. Probably will check Planet Hollywood out again, although I do think the no comp card thing kinda sucks, as unless you get a good floorperson who is willing to hook you up you're going to miss out on comps(and even when he does hook you up, I then usually feel obligated to throw him $5).
Go back to the Real World: WSOP thread. I speak about PH and the massively stupid sized game we played there. I really think it's that soft all the time.
no link? :popcorn:
 
SaveFerrisB said:
Review of the Planet Hollywood:

Guy to my immediate right tells me that hes down $2300 on his trip just from buying in $100 at a time. He then asks me "If you wanted to make $2300 back in one session, what would you play? Should I shortstack a huge game at the Bellagio?" I mean, I never want to turn a fish into a decent player, but I felt pretty bad for the guy. That was nothing though.....he then says "Yeah I'm down about $70,000 overall playing poker.....if I wanted to take a shot to win that all back in one session, what stakes do you think I should play?" I really didn't even know what to say.

Anyway, ended up winning $545 in less than 5 hours....not bad at all. Probably will check Planet Hollywood out again, although I do think the no comp card thing kinda sucks, as unless you get a good floorperson who is willing to hook you up you're going to miss out on comps(and even when he does hook you up, I then usually feel obligated to throw him $5).
$100K buy-in heads up with jwvdcw...
He actually did tell me that he liked heads up poker a lot and asked if I knew of any live room that would spread it, which I told him "not unless you're playing real high." I possibly could've gotten a heads up game with him last night, but the main game was too soft and I honestly did feel a bit bad for him.
At the risk of sounding like the :popcorn: guy, I'd be wary of that dude shooting an angle. The sob story about being way down for his career and looking to make it up in one session could be a ploy to rope a player into a bigger game than he should be, and then the dude brings his "real" game when the stakes are higher and goes icy pots on everyone, like out of a bad episode of Tilt.
That actually does make sense, although this guy seemed like a fish from the beginning and unless he knew that a pro happened to be sitting in the $1/2 game at PH at 5AM on a Wednesday morning I don't see how it could be. And he did lose a bit while I was there too(although obviously if hes planning on playing for $70K later then a few hundred don't matter).Even still, at most I would play him $5/10 heads up.....and theres already a ton of variance in short term heads up play online, but if you couple that with the slow pace of live play then its completely not worth his time. Take two solid players and have them play heads up live for an hour....might as well just flip a coin and bet on that imo. And if he played well for an hour, then I think by then I'd have figured it out that hes not as bad as he says.

 
Dont want to make a new threas,

Fisher or anyone.. I won entry into a 54 dollar buy in at sportbook, ill give the account to someone who will send me a cpl bucks on any other poker site, Ill give the accnt first, you cant unregister for cash though, its wont let you.

-edit to add: Pm me.

 
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SaveFerrisB said:
Review of the Planet Hollywood:

Guy to my immediate right tells me that hes down $2300 on his trip just from buying in $100 at a time. He then asks me "If you wanted to make $2300 back in one session, what would you play? Should I shortstack a huge game at the Bellagio?" I mean, I never want to turn a fish into a decent player, but I felt pretty bad for the guy. That was nothing though.....he then says "Yeah I'm down about $70,000 overall playing poker.....if I wanted to take a shot to win that all back in one session, what stakes do you think I should play?" I really didn't even know what to say.

Anyway, ended up winning $545 in less than 5 hours....not bad at all. Probably will check Planet Hollywood out again, although I do think the no comp card thing kinda sucks, as unless you get a good floorperson who is willing to hook you up you're going to miss out on comps(and even when he does hook you up, I then usually feel obligated to throw him $5).
$100K buy-in heads up with jwvdcw...
He actually did tell me that he liked heads up poker a lot and asked if I knew of any live room that would spread it, which I told him "not unless you're playing real high." I possibly could've gotten a heads up game with him last night, but the main game was too soft and I honestly did feel a bit bad for him.
At the risk of sounding like the :lmao: guy, I'd be wary of that dude shooting an angle. The sob story about being way down for his career and looking to make it up in one session could be a ploy to rope a player into a bigger game than he should be, and then the dude brings his "real" game when the stakes are higher and goes icy pots on everyone, like out of a bad episode of Tilt.
That actually does make sense, although this guy seemed like a fish from the beginning and unless he knew that a pro happened to be sitting in the $1/2 game at PH at 5AM on a Wednesday morning I don't see how it could be. And he did lose a bit while I was there too(although obviously if hes planning on playing for $70K later then a few hundred don't matter).Even still, at most I would play him $5/10 heads up.....and theres already a ton of variance in short term heads up play online, but if you couple that with the slow pace of live play then its completely not worth his time. Take two solid players and have them play heads up live for an hour....might as well just flip a coin and bet on that imo. And if he played well for an hour, then I think by then I'd have figured it out that hes not as bad as he says.
I am with SaveFerris on this one. I think you want no part of that game. It all seems too convenient. Since you have played less live at big stakes, you have no idea what kind of tells you might have with 2K in the middle of the table. Tells can play a huge factor heads up live- they are a non issue online. Also, I an uncertain that you would know exactly where you stood until you were fairly deep into it. Even them=n, you would likely think "He is better than he was letting on, but he still has some holes in his game. If I get the right hand, I am going to stack him." If he is good enough, that is right where he wants you.
 
SaveFerrisB said:
SaveFerrisB said:
At the risk of sounding like the :lmao: guy, I'd be wary of that dude shooting an angle. The sob story about being way down for his career and looking to make it up in one session could be a ploy to rope a player into a bigger game than he should be, and then the dude brings his "real" game when the stakes are higher and goes icy pots on everyone, like out of a bad episode of Tilt.
That actually does make sense, although this guy seemed like a fish from the beginning and unless he knew that a pro happened to be sitting in the $1/2 game at PH at 5AM on a Wednesday morning I don't see how it could be. And he did lose a bit while I was there too(although obviously if hes planning on playing for $70K later then a few hundred don't matter).
Now that you reminded me of the details of the session, I'd peg the guy as the type rabidfireweasel insists is at the table despite repeated claims from skeptics: the guy who is there to lose. What you described fits the profile rfw has described in previous posts.
Those guys are GOLD Jerry! GOLD! I was just talking about that phenomenon to someone at school today.
 
Dont want to make a new threas,Fisher or anyone.. I won entry into a 54 dollar buy in at sportbook, ill give the account to someone who will send me a cpl bucks on any other poker site, Ill give the accnt first, you cant unregister for cash though, its wont let you.-edit to add: Pm me.
sportbook = sportsbook.com???I don't understand the exact deal your proposing("send me a cpl bucks on any other poker site" is kinda vague), but my guess is that you'll have more luck finding a taker if you offer that someone can play the tourney for you and you'll send them 50% of whatever they win for you. People would be more willing to do that because theres no risk to them. You could adjust that 50% figure to more in your favor if you wanted though.
 
SaveFerrisB said:
Review of the Planet Hollywood:

Guy to my immediate right tells me that hes down $2300 on his trip just from buying in $100 at a time. He then asks me "If you wanted to make $2300 back in one session, what would you play? Should I shortstack a huge game at the Bellagio?" I mean, I never want to turn a fish into a decent player, but I felt pretty bad for the guy. That was nothing though.....he then says "Yeah I'm down about $70,000 overall playing poker.....if I wanted to take a shot to win that all back in one session, what stakes do you think I should play?" I really didn't even know what to say.

Anyway, ended up winning $545 in less than 5 hours....not bad at all. Probably will check Planet Hollywood out again, although I do think the no comp card thing kinda sucks, as unless you get a good floorperson who is willing to hook you up you're going to miss out on comps(and even when he does hook you up, I then usually feel obligated to throw him $5).
$100K buy-in heads up with jwvdcw...
He actually did tell me that he liked heads up poker a lot and asked if I knew of any live room that would spread it, which I told him "not unless you're playing real high." I possibly could've gotten a heads up game with him last night, but the main game was too soft and I honestly did feel a bit bad for him.
At the risk of sounding like the :rolleyes: guy, I'd be wary of that dude shooting an angle. The sob story about being way down for his career and looking to make it up in one session could be a ploy to rope a player into a bigger game than he should be, and then the dude brings his "real" game when the stakes are higher and goes icy pots on everyone, like out of a bad episode of Tilt.
That actually does make sense, although this guy seemed like a fish from the beginning and unless he knew that a pro happened to be sitting in the $1/2 game at PH at 5AM on a Wednesday morning I don't see how it could be. And he did lose a bit while I was there too(although obviously if hes planning on playing for $70K later then a few hundred don't matter).Even still, at most I would play him $5/10 heads up.....and theres already a ton of variance in short term heads up play online, but if you couple that with the slow pace of live play then its completely not worth his time. Take two solid players and have them play heads up live for an hour....might as well just flip a coin and bet on that imo. And if he played well for an hour, then I think by then I'd have figured it out that hes not as bad as he says.
I am with SaveFerris on this one. I think you want no part of that game. It all seems too convenient. Since you have played less live at big stakes, you have no idea what kind of tells you might have with 2K in the middle of the table. Tells can play a huge factor heads up live- they are a non issue online. Also, I an uncertain that you would know exactly where you stood until you were fairly deep into it. Even them=n, you would likely think "He is better than he was letting on, but he still has some holes in his game. If I get the right hand, I am going to stack him." If he is good enough, that is right where he wants you.
I did actually play a bunch(well maybe 100 hours) of high stakes live last summer and I still do maintain that a live heads up session between two solid players is going to come down to luck 99% of the time(so its a pretty crappy "con"). However, a lot of that is probably just my ego talking too, and overall I do agree with you guys. FWIW I never seriously considered any of this; I was just reporting it here for the purpose of an interesting story.Btw, RFW I think it'd be a great thread idea for you to just tell some stories you have about live play....seems like you have a ton and you always bring good insight.

 
Dont want to make a new threas,Fisher or anyone.. I won entry into a 54 dollar buy in at sportbook, ill give the account to someone who will send me a cpl bucks on any other poker site, Ill give the accnt first, you cant unregister for cash though, its wont let you.-edit to add: Pm me.
sportbook = sportsbook.com???I don't understand the exact deal your proposing("send me a cpl bucks on any other poker site" is kinda vague), but my guess is that you'll have more luck finding a taker if you offer that someone can play the tourney for you and you'll send them 50% of whatever they win for you. People would be more willing to do that because theres no risk to them. You could adjust that 50% figure to more in your favor if you wanted though.
Ya sportsbook.com, I was saying id give them my name on there because you cant transer or sell tickets to tournies. So i would rather have a garenteed 5 bucks on ps,fulltilt,absolute then to maybe place in this (the structure isnt in my favor). First prize is 75k though...I wouldnt want anyone to play the tourny for me or anything like that though...
 
a)I did actually play a bunch(well maybe 100 hours) of high stakes live last summer and I still do maintain that a live heads up session between two solid players is going to come down to luck 99% of the time(so its a pretty crappy "con"). However, a lot of that is probably just my ego talking too, and overall I do agree with you guys. FWIW I never seriously considered any of this; I was just reporting it here for the purpose of an interesting story.b)Btw, RFW I think it'd be a great thread idea for you to just tell some stories you have about live play....seems like you have a ton and you always bring good insight.
a)I think this is your arrogance talking a bit. A quality heads up specialist with live experience and a big bankroll is, IMO, a bigger than a coin flip favorite over a solid experienced on-line player in a cash game situation. Not to sound like a know-it-all, but the fact that you are ready to chock it up to luck so quickly indicates to me you might get taken pretty good by a great heads up player before you realized you were being beaten by someone better than you. If the player has strength in the psychological meta-gameand correctly perceives you as a potential long term opponent, he might be able to emotionally manipulate you to get to play more sessions (he might play up the luck angle or if your were seeming arrogant, he might talk #### to you so you couldn't wait to play him again.) The biggest winners in poker are the ones that make the losers eager to not just continue, but return.b) You are kind and feed my ego sweetly, but that probably be a very boring 16 post thread where I have 10 of the posts, there are four black dots/white corners and two fasteddie posts. The first would suggests that we revisit the Real world Las Vegas thread where he has a parallel story, and second would ask why no one had replied to his first post.
 
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b) You are kind and feed my ego sweetly, but that probably be a very boring 16 post thread where I have 10 of the posts, there are four black dots/white corners and two fasteddie posts. The first would suggests that we revisit the Real world Las Vegas thread where he has a parallel story, and second would ask why no one had replied to his first post.
I haven't :lmao: this hard in a LONG time!
 
b) You are kind and feed my ego sweetly, but that probably be a very boring 16 post thread where I have 10 of the posts, there are four black dots/white corners and two fasteddie posts. The first would suggests that we revisit the Real world Las Vegas thread where he has a parallel story, and second would ask why no one had replied to his first post.
I haven't :lmao: this hard in a LONG time!
:hot: This is why I friggen love this place. I almost feel like I know some of you guys better than some of my family.

 
Do these dates look accurate for March Madness?

March 19th-24th is when I am shooting to be out there next, a long time away...

http://www.tickco.com/sports_basketball_nc...ent_tickets.htm
That's the first weekend of the tourney (64 --> 16), it's a little later than usual this year.
Just an FYI to those who care- the first weekend of the NCAA's is Easter weekend next year. I'll be out there weekend #2 because of that. A little less fun in the sportsbook, but still plenty of great games.
That is good news for all of us who have Good Friday off every year. One less vacation day to burn for those glorious 1st 2 days of the tourney. :lmao:
 
a)I did actually play a bunch(well maybe 100 hours) of high stakes live last summer and I still do maintain that a live heads up session between two solid players is going to come down to luck 99% of the time(so its a pretty crappy "con"). However, a lot of that is probably just my ego talking too, and overall I do agree with you guys. FWIW I never seriously considered any of this; I was just reporting it here for the purpose of an interesting story.b)Btw, RFW I think it'd be a great thread idea for you to just tell some stories you have about live play....seems like you have a ton and you always bring good insight.
a)I think this is your arrogance talking a bit. A quality heads up specialist with live experience and a big bankroll is, IMO, a bigger than a coin flip favorite over a solid experienced on-line player in a cash game situation. Not to sound like a know-it-all, but the fact that you are ready to chock it up to luck so quickly indicates to me you might get taken pretty good by a great heads up player before you realized you were being beaten by someone better than you. If the player has strength in the psychological meta-gameand correctly perceives you as a potential long term opponent, he might be able to emotionally manipulate you to get to play more sessions (he might play up the luck angle or if your were seeming arrogant, he might talk #### to you so you couldn't wait to play him again.) The biggest winners in poker are the ones that make the losers eager to not just continue, but return.b) You are kind and feed my ego sweetly, but that probably be a very boring 16 post thread where I have 10 of the posts, there are four black dots/white corners and two fasteddie posts. The first would suggests that we revisit the Real world Las Vegas thread where he has a parallel story, and second would ask why no one had replied to his first post.
:sadbanana:Yes strangely spot on...hmmm :unsure:
 
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a)I did actually play a bunch(well maybe 100 hours) of high stakes live last summer and I still do maintain that a live heads up session between two solid players is going to come down to luck 99% of the time(so its a pretty crappy "con"). However, a lot of that is probably just my ego talking too, and overall I do agree with you guys. FWIW I never seriously considered any of this; I was just reporting it here for the purpose of an interesting story.b)Btw, RFW I think it'd be a great thread idea for you to just tell some stories you have about live play....seems like you have a ton and you always bring good insight.
a)I think this is your arrogance talking a bit. A quality heads up specialist with live experience and a big bankroll is, IMO, a bigger than a coin flip favorite over a solid experienced on-line player in a cash game situation. Not to sound like a know-it-all, but the fact that you are ready to chock it up to luck so quickly indicates to me you might get taken pretty good by a great heads up player before you realized you were being beaten by someone better than you. If the player has strength in the psychological meta-gameand correctly perceives you as a potential long term opponent, he might be able to emotionally manipulate you to get to play more sessions (he might play up the luck angle or if your were seeming arrogant, he might talk #### to you so you couldn't wait to play him again.) The biggest winners in poker are the ones that make the losers eager to not just continue, but return.b) You are kind and feed my ego sweetly, but that probably be a very boring 16 post thread where I have 10 of the posts, there are four black dots/white corners and two fasteddie posts. The first would suggests that we revisit the Real world Las Vegas thread where he has a parallel story, and second would ask why no one had replied to his first post.
A. I wasn't saying that its just luck. What I'm saying is that in my experience heads up(and I have VERY FOOLISHLY sat with some great players heads up before for high stakes) its going to take at least 10,000 hands in order to have any clue who is outplaying who provided that both players are at least solid winning(overall) players. B. :hot: Quality stuff man.C. You mentioned doing some 'icy pots' artwork earlier and selling it to me....still up for this?
 
A. I wasn't saying that its just luck. What I'm saying is that in my experience heads up(and I have VERY FOOLISHLY sat with some great players heads up before for high stakes) its going to take at least 10,000 hands in order to have any clue who is outplaying who provided that both players are at least solid winning(overall) players. B. :excited: Quality stuff man.C. You mentioned doing some 'icy pots' artwork earlier and selling it to me....still up for this?
A. Well here it could be a few things. You could be so good heads up that it will take luck to beat you, for all but the very best players. Or it could be that you were running pretty good (without knowing it during those sessions). It could be that you were evenly matched so that it really was a coin flip. It could be a combination of these factors. I do know that you have a great trait to stay afloat heads up, you can release a good hand and lose some chips, rather than always play it through an lose all your chips.I think 10,000 is way off. You rarely get more than 40 hands in an hour live. I think that after 1000-1200 hands (25-30 hours)you can often get a sense of whose better, if someone is better. I have played a guys heads-up for several nights in a row and thousands of hours three handed, it was clear where people stood. The hard part was factoring in when they were improving/decreasing in skill. As a side not, it is my opinion that the best heads-up players are not the best players. They often have some wholes in ring game play However, they are extremely strong about reading true weakness and punishing it.Also, I think that you are going to be more more cautious and have a less variance if you are sitting heads up with a player you know is good. You are going to cautious, wary of traps, and not pushing every perceived edge. If you are up against someone you perceive as a fish, you are much more likely to make a mistake by stepping out at the wrong time, and then just chalking that up to bad luck. You would have a different approach going up against this "fish" than against a great player where you were trying to test yourself.b) thanksc) hell yes-we can sort that out in PM's. think about how big you want it, how many pots, if you want stuff in the pots, etc.
 
10,000 was too high of an estimate....you're right.

Anyway, my point is this: Lets say that a player is a great heads up player and he plays me in $5/10 NL heads up. Would it be fair to say that he would on average make around $50/hour from me in the long run?(I'm really not exactly sure, thats a total estimate)?

I would think that after 2 hours of playing with him, I would have fully discovered if he was way better than he led on at first. And since $5/10 is high for my bankroll right now, I definitely wouldn't stay as soon as I figured this out(unless I was up a decent amount).

So he'd be "conning" me out of an expected $100(on average). For a good player, that seems like a total waste of time, no?

I do agree with you that I'd be more cautious if I thought he was a good player though.

Regarding the icy pots....How big is a standard living room painting that you'd hang up on your wall? Whatever that is, then that would be good I suppose. Maybe, if you had the time, it would actually look better if there were 2 of them so I could fill an entire wall(one on each side). And I want ice in the pots....lots and lots of ice!

 
10,000 was too high of an estimate....you're right. Anyway, my point is this: Lets say that a player is a great heads up player and he plays me in $5/10 NL heads up. Would it be fair to say that he would on average make around $50/hour from me in the long run?(I'm really not exactly sure, thats a total estimate)?I would think that after 2 hours of playing with him, I would have fully discovered if he was way better than he led on at first. And since $5/10 is high for my bankroll right now, I definitely wouldn't stay as soon as I figured this out(unless I was up a decent amount).So he'd be "conning" me out of an expected $100(on average). For a good player, that seems like a total waste of time, no?I do agree with you that I'd be more cautious if I thought he was a good player though.Regarding the icy pots....How big is a standard living room painting that you'd hang up on your wall? Whatever that is, then that would be good I suppose. Maybe, if you had the time, it would actually look better if there were 2 of them so I could fill an entire wall(one on each side). And I want ice in the pots....lots and lots of ice!
You and I are approaching this very differently. Most of the best heads up guys that I have played/seen aren't looking long term hourly rate, because they are never going to get to the long term with you. They can't just grind it out, because once they really mash you, you are done with them.. They are looking for you in the short term to put a very large sum (often more money out on the table than you usually would) and then they are looking to gut you. They may do it by outplaying you or they may do it by cheating you (if you don't have a dealer) but that's what they are looking to do if heads up is their bag. Most heads up players are willing to play sub optimally for smaller stakes in the hope to make you play sub optimally for larger stakes. So, he is not looking to make $50 an hour. He is trying to figure out if he can play with you all night to take 2-5K from you in one hand. That is the goal. He is looking to double up through you. Now that is hard with you, because you can fold a decent hand in a big pot if the money is deep, but many solid players can't.As for the paintings, I make all kinds of painting sizes. Probably for a bachelor in an apartment, a 40"x30" or 48"x36" would be pretty big. I could make two that you could hang side by side in a big place (40" x 60") or keep on different walls until then. I am looking forward to painting you some icy pots. Lots of Ice.
 
Ok....yeah I understand what you're saying. I'm just looking at it more from an "in the long run" perspective, and I just don't think its a very good con......

First you have to waste the money playing badly at $1/2

Then you have to hope that everything works perfectly and the guy obliges

Then you have to hope that the guy who obliges doesn't happen to be a great heads up player

Then you have to outplay him in a short period of time(relatively speaking)

Then you have to hope that your hand holds up once the money gets in

You could execute everything perfectly, then get all the money in with top set against a flush draw and end up losing that. Cheating obviously being an exception.

:unsure: to the paintings!!

 
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Went back to Planet Hollywood last night. I do like the place(as evidenced by my quick second trip back), but I don't think I'd put it in my top tier of places for the simple fact that they just don't get as many players as the bigger rooms. It was prime time(11PM Friday night) and they only had 2 or 3 $1/2 NL games going, a 2 table tourney, and a few tables of limit. No $2/5 at all. Perhaps it will get more popular in the future though, I dunno. Also it seems to be a bit of an older crowd, at least compared to a place like MGM. Both of these card rooms are out in the open right in the middle of the casino, but PH has a piano bar next to it while MGM has a bar playing hip hop or rock music. Not that I don't like the piano bar(the performer last night was actually playing a bunch of older pop songs that I loved), but its obviously just a bit of a different crowd age wise.

Was having a good session, and I racked up my chips. Looked at one last hand, saw pocket 4s, decided to call the $8 preflop raise, hit a set, and he hit a higher set(AA vs 44 on a A46 board with 2 diamonds). There was another player in the hand, and that fact coupled with flush and straight draws made it nearly impossible for me to do anything but get it all in. Nevertheless, I still won $24 on the night despite this hand, but it sucked to have happened on the last hand of the night.

Anyway, there were 3 semi-interesting hands from the night, coincidentally all against the same villian. Villian was a typical $1/2 fish I'd say. Plays too many hands, overvalues them too much. I didn't have any real read on his aggression or ability to bluff though before these hands. I list them in cronological order, so any read you pick up from one hand may be applied to the next. And my view of him which I gave above is stricly my thoughts on him before the first hand. Also note that these hands all happened pretty much within 30 minutes of each other, so they were fresh in both of our minds. Before these hands, I had been very quiet and tight for about 90 minutes, so if anyone had bothered to put a read on me they would definitely label me as tight.

Hand #1

I have 78os in BB. A few limpers, including villian on button. Flop comes 467 with 2 clubs. I bet $8. MP calls and button calls. Turn is a 2 non-club. I bet $20. MP folds, button calls. River is a ten non-club. I check. He bets $50. Your move.

What I did

I called. He showed 46 for 2 pair and won.

What I think I should've done

This is tough. 89 hit a straight, but nearly every other draw missed. And since I had an 8 that made 89 a bit more unlikely. I was getting just about 2.5-1 on the call. Most $1/2 fish don't bluff much, but this seemed strange to me. Looking back, I can't believe he played that hand so passively with all of the draws out there and then so aggressively on the river....just strange. I dunno, I'm ok with my call I think.

Hand #2

I have about $185, villian has me covered. Villians limps from EP, I raise to $15 with AQos- usually a hand I won't play so aggressively, but nothing much was happening on the night so far and I needed some action. Only villian calls. Flop comes A26 rainbow. He checks, I bet $25, he calls. Turn is a 3, bringing a flush draw. He checks, I bet $55, he calls. River is a 4. He checks, you have about $90 left. Your move.

What I did

I pushed, he called, I showed, he mucked.

What I think I should've done

I like the play and think its the least interesting of the 3 hands. Some may check behind, but I think thats weak poker. He called $15 preflop, so the odds of him having a hand like A2, A3, A4, A5, or A6 is less than a better ace imo. With a better hand like a set, I can't imagine him checking it on every single street.

Hand #3

Villian in BB, I limp in EP with 9J of diamonds. A few other limpers. Flop comes TQK all clubs. Villian bets $10, I raise to $35, everyone folds to villian, he calls. Turn is a king(obviously non-club). He checks, I bet $50, he calls. River is a 3 non club. He checks. Your move.

What I did

I thought for a while and checked. I showed, he mucked.

What I think I should've done

Ugh...tough call. Obviously it turns out that I should've bet. I think he would've paid me off with any king. At the same time, I think the first hand showed that he was passive enough to check call down with AJ(and honestly I don't think thats that bad really with that board)...hell, he maybe even could've been check/calling down with a real low flush, although I doubt it. Maybe I chickened out here. I think this is a very close decision. If I had to make a decision now, I think I should bet $100, although obviously I didn't make that decision at the table and it could be clouding my judgment now by being results oriented.

 
Oh and also of note....finally bought a tv. Was weird not having one for so long. Got a 50" Vizio flat screen. I researched a bit online, and Vizio seems to be a very good brand for the price(cheaper than the big names like Panasonic/Samsung, better quality than the other low end ones). And I decdied to go with DirecTV, which is ironic since I used to sell cable door to door, but the cable company out here(Cox) does charge more than what Cablevision did in NY, and DirecTV seemed to have a better specific package for what I was looking for right now...plus the option for Sunday Ticket is a big plus.

 
From another thread that I didn't want to hijack...

Joe T said:
Assani Fisher said:
Assani,If the money is so good there, why do you need Dodds to stake you?Weren't you up like 20K at one point? If the money was good there, you wouldn't need someone to stake you... what am I missing?Thanks,Joe T
Joe T,Don't want to hijack the thread too much, so after this reply feel free to respond to me in my poker thread of via PM, but I'm up way more than 20K. I've lived solely off of poker for 4 years(one exception being a sales job I had for about 3 months), including some very stupid overspending and playing way too high stakes for my bankroll. I won't give any exact figures(and to be honest, I don't know exactly), but I can say that not one of my friends from college has made as much as I have since we graduated(although many probably saved and invested much better). I didn't need to be staked, but Dodds came to me with a pretty interesting idea that benefitted us both(will discuss over PM if you want exact details). He contacted me. And it was perfect timing for me, as I was going through a tough time due to non-poker related issues, which I went into detail about in my poker thread. He will continue staking me until the end of 2007 as per our initial agreement.Assani
 
Assani,

I play all 3 hands EXACTLY the same. The 3rd one is close whether to bet on the end, but ugh... I don't mind a check behind there at all. Glad to hear you did well...but next time, after you rack up, LEAVE! You'd be amazed, and I'm sure you've seen it too, that after a guy racks up and decides to keep playing, loses his stack. Call it superstition call it karma, whatever. Still, next time either rack up after your UTG hand or just tell the dealer to deal you out :shrug:

And congrats on the TV. Vizio's are pretty well thought of and I'm thinking about getting one for the bedroom (have a 65" Mits DLP for the living room and LOVE it, but the idea of an LCD is appealing).

I am beyond anxious to get out there as well. Having to stick it out these last 90 days is just brutal. :sigh:

 
Hand #3

Villian in BB, I limp in EP with 9J of diamonds. A few other limpers. Flop comes TQK all clubs. Villian bets $10, I raise to $35, everyone folds to villian, he calls. Turn is a king(obviously non-club). He checks, I bet $50, he calls. River is a 3 non club. He checks. Your move.

What I did

I thought for a while and checked. I showed, he mucked.
Shouldn't he have showed first?
 
Hand #3

Villian in BB, I limp in EP with 9J of diamonds. A few other limpers. Flop comes TQK all clubs. Villian bets $10, I raise to $35, everyone folds to villian, he calls. Turn is a king(obviously non-club). He checks, I bet $50, he calls. River is a 3 non club. He checks. Your move.

What I did

I thought for a while and checked. I showed, he mucked.
Shouldn't he have showed first?
No. Technically the rules are the last person to make an "aggressive action"(meaning betting or raising, not calling) has to show first, so since I bet $50 on the turn I would show. Pragmatically if you feel as if theres a pretty good chance you have the best hand you should just show your hand or else its poor etiquette. Either way, I show first.
 
Alright, got some updates coming here. Online things have been going pretty well. These past few weeks I've made it "fairly deep" in a number of big tournaments, which actually sucks because each time I've gone out very close to big money(usually at final table) but never actually gotten there. So much luck/variance....I mean, I won't complain because I'm winning, but its emotionally draining to get your hopes up so many times in a such a short time span only to be disappointed.

Playing live has been just the opposite. For the first time ever(I think) I've had 3 straight losing sessions at live $1/2 NLHE. And I've lost $200+ each time too. I'll have some hands from 2 of the sessions here coming up(the other session really didn't have anything interesting).

Its pretty crazy to think this, but as I was walking to the valet last night after playing, instead of being upset or disappointed with my recent streak I was actually thinking "cool, I'll have some interesting hands to post about in my blog after having so many boring and uninteresting sessions."

Also on an unrelated note(I swear it has nothing to do with my recent bad sessions) I may look to start playing limit Omaha 8 live. I wish so badly that they would spread some pot limit or no limit Omaha 8 live anywhere as thats my best game and I can't imagine how soft it'd be live(if its anything like the difference between live and online hold em). But since I probably won't be able to find that much outside of WSOP time I guess I'll look to improve my limit game and give it a try for a session or two. I hear that the Wynn regularly spreads it, and I'll always take an excuse to go there and play(like that place a lot, but man the NLHE low stakes games are tough compared to other places in my experience).

Anyway, will be posting some hands here soon.....

 
First session to report on happened at the MGM. I hadn't been very active for the first hour or so, maybe down $50 or so. Then....

Hand #1

Villian is a fish. He has made strange plays...thats really the only way to put it. Just weird raises or bets that don't really accomplish anything like small raises into huge pots when hes out of position. But hes running very well- pretty much a perfect guy to have at the table. I had $200, he had about $600 before this hand.

There are a few limpers, villian limps in MP/LP. I have QQ in LP and raise to $15. Blinds fold, two of the limpers call, villian raises $15 more(wtf??!!!). My hand is too weak to allow the other two players into the pot, and I'm 99% certain that I'm ahead of villian here. I raise to $100, leaving me with about $100 behind. Limpers fold, villian thinks for about 10 seconds and calls.

Flop comes AA6 rainbow. Big mistake I made here by not really studying villian's reaction to flop at all. Anyway, he checks. I'll stop the hand here....how do you plan on playing this hand the rest of the way?

What I did

I checked the flop. The turn is a total blank. He checks. I bet $50. He raises all in for $50 more. I sigh and call. He has AQ and wins.

What I think I should've done

Ugh....I got 1/2 my stack in preflop here, obviously intending to get it all in on the flop. I wish the flop just could've come AKx so I could've gotten away. But whatever, lets analyze instead of complaining.....

The pot is $233 and I have $100 left. Villian's range is probably AT-AK, 77-JJ imo. Without going over the actual math, I would think that if he just pushed on the flop I'd have to call based upon the odds and his possible holdings. His checking twice obviously doesn't change much, so on the turn I have two options: Decide to get it all in and try to bet an amount that is most likely to get him to call me down with a worse hand OR check and hope he keeps it small on the river(if he checks river, then value bet). Note that I don't list betting and then folding to a raise as an option. I dunno...I just think with the pot size and his unpredictable nature, that'd be a mistake. However, as the hand played out I was very very certain that I was beat when he pushed in(physical tell of his confidence in pushing seemed overwhelming)...so maybe you could fault me there for not considering it an option. Even still though, its tough to think that I'm drawing completely dead(AQ or aces full) so the 2 outs and attractive pot odds, while not making it a correct call if I was 100% certain of his holdings(again havn't done the math but seems that way to me), would make it correct if I wasn't as certain.

So would it have been better to check? Perhaps it would've. First off, it would've given me yet another chance to get a read on him as I'd see him act first on the river. Secondly, once I've decided that I'm willing to go broke due to the pot size, at this point we're simply concerned with the EV of the play of the last $100. I do think he definitely would've called down with a hand like TT or so. But still hes more likely mathematically to have a hand with an ace based upon our range we've assigned him. So I guess I wish I would've checked. But then if he hit a set on the river, I probably hate myself for it. But if we determine that he wasn't folding anyway, then thats meaningless.

Yeah I guess checking the turn and then planning on calling any bet he makes on the river(or value betting if he checks) would've been better.



Hand #2

This hand isn't that interesting imo really, but I'll include it anyway. No reads on villian. Two limpers, no real reads on either. The one that is villian in hand has a shortstack, I have him covered. I have JJ and raise to $15, they both call.

Flop is 356 all hearts. I have the J of hearts. They check, I bet $35, first limper folds, villain pushes for about $75 more. Your move.

What I did

I called. He showed a set of 5s. No heart or jack came.

What I think I should've done

Was getting about 2.5-1 on the call. I was about a 65-35 underdog. Obviously if he had a flush I'd be a much worse underdog(especially if he had a card over a jack-then I'd be drawing to runner runner full house), but I think thats offset somewhat by the fact that I could've been a coinflip(A of hearts plus another over), a slight favorite(A of hearts plus an undercard), or a huge favorite(smaller pocket pair). I'm fine with the call.

 
First session to report on happened at the MGM. I hadn't been very active for the first hour or so, maybe down $50 or so. Then....

Hand #1

Villian is a fish. He has made strange plays...thats really the only way to put it. Just weird raises or bets that don't really accomplish anything like small raises into huge pots when hes out of position. But hes running very well- pretty much a perfect guy to have at the table. I had $200, he had about $600 before this hand.

There are a few limpers, villian limps in MP/LP. I have QQ in LP and raise to $15. Blinds fold, two of the limpers call, villian raises $15 more(wtf??!!!). My hand is too weak to allow the other two players into the pot, and I'm 99% certain that I'm ahead of villian here. I raise to $100, leaving me with about $100 behind. Limpers fold, villian thinks for about 10 seconds and calls.

Flop comes AA6 rainbow. Big mistake I made here by not really studying villian's reaction to flop at all. Anyway, he checks. I'll stop the hand here....how do you plan on playing this hand the rest of the way?
ugh
 
First session to report on happened at the MGM. I hadn't been very active for the first hour or so, maybe down $50 or so. Then....

Hand #1

Villian is a fish. He has made strange plays...thats really the only way to put it. Just weird raises or bets that don't really accomplish anything like small raises into huge pots when hes out of position. But hes running very well- pretty much a perfect guy to have at the table. I had $200, he had about $600 before this hand.

There are a few limpers, villian limps in MP/LP. I have QQ in LP and raise to $15. Blinds fold, two of the limpers call, villian raises $15 more(wtf??!!!). My hand is too weak to allow the other two players into the pot, and I'm 99% certain that I'm ahead of villian here. I raise to $100, leaving me with about $100 behind. Limpers fold, villian thinks for about 10 seconds and calls.

Flop comes AA6 rainbow. Big mistake I made here by not really studying villian's reaction to flop at all. Anyway, he checks. I'll stop the hand here....how do you plan on playing this hand the rest of the way?
Tough spot. Preflop, if you were oop, clearly you should shove. But with position, calling seems more reasonable. I still lean toward shoving to maximize EV b/c a reasonable raise leaves you with a half-pot bet on the flop. Even though you will get away from AKx flops, you will still have to stick that last $100 in as a dog pretty frequently (against sets, two pair, etc). Instead, I think you get more action than you deserve (b/c they play bad) by just shoving preflop. On the flop, I don't think you're getting much action unless you're beat and he doesn't have KK often enough to try folding that hand worthwhile. But even with that, I'd rather fold the two and three out hands that are much more frequently out there and take down the pot. So my play would be to bet my last $100 If I decided to check the flop, I would just check the turn and call a river bet (hopefully less than $100).

Hand #2

This hand isn't that interesting imo really, but I'll include it anyway. No reads on villian. Two limpers, no real reads on either. The one that is villian in hand has a shortstack, I have him covered. I have JJ and raise to $15, they both call.

Flop is 356 all hearts. I have the J of hearts. They check, I bet $35, first limper folds, villain pushes for about $75 more. Your move.

What I did

I called. He showed a set of 5s. No heart or jack came.

What I think I should've done

Was getting about 2.5-1 on the call. I was about a 65-35 underdog. Obviously if he had a flush I'd be a much worse underdog(especially if he had a card over a jack-then I'd be drawing to runner runner full house), but I think thats offset somewhat by the fact that I could've been a coinflip(A of hearts plus another over), a slight favorite(A of hearts plus an undercard), or a huge favorite(smaller pocket pair). I'm fine with the call.
Agreed.
 
Assani,

I was there last week, and was busy with the Fam thing to get out for an evening to play....

I did go see the Love show at the Mirage, and they had a 10/20 O8 game going.....a table of very old guys...LOL There was also an interest list for 5/10 O8

Hope this helps

Parm

 
I agree with Munga, PF you either call or push, the pot already has $75-80 in it at this point, might as well (hopefully) take it down with a push.

 
Tough spot. Preflop, if you were oop, clearly you should shove. But with position, calling seems more reasonable. I still lean toward shoving to maximize EV b/c a reasonable raise leaves you with a half-pot bet on the flop. Even though you will get away from AKx flops, you will still have to stick that last $100 in as a dog pretty frequently (against sets, two pair, etc). Instead, I think you get more action than you deserve (b/c they play bad) by just shoving preflop. On the flop, I don't think you're getting much action unless you're beat and he doesn't have KK often enough to try folding that hand worthwhile. But even with that, I'd rather fold the two and three out hands that are much more frequently out there and take down the pot. So my play would be to bet my last $100 If I decided to check the flop, I would just check the turn and call a river bet (hopefully less than $100).
Thanks for the thoughts.Preflop, my thoughts were this: I can't flat call his small raise even though I have position because it'll invite the two others into the hand and I don't want a 4 way pot. Moreover, I'm 90% sure that I have the best hand here so getting more money into the pot is never a bad thing. I think that my $70 raise was better than pushing because its more likely to get him to call(and he did think about it for a while so I assume that it was actually just about perfect amount) and obviously I want a worse player to call OOP when he has a much worse hand.Interesting thought about shoving flop due to not wanting to let him draw out, and the pot is big so I can understand wanting to protect against it. I do agree with you though that if I check the flop then I should've just checked the turn. On the whole, I don't think I cost myself that much(I would've called his river bet no matter what) and it was just a tough spot. Still....would rather save $50 or so if I can, ya know.
 
I agree with Munga, PF you either call or push, the pot already has $75-80 in it at this point, might as well (hopefully) take it down with a push.
You would rather take down $75 than have him call $70 more when he is out of position, hes a bad player, and he is almost surely playing a worse hand? At that point, my thoughts were on doubling up and/or extracting maximum value, not on trying to win a decent but not huge pot preflop.It definitely would've worked out better for me had I done that though, and perhaps certain people would even still call with worse hands than QQ if I shoved(and of course its better for me if he calls $170 than $70 if he has a worse hand than me). Still though I think that shoving there is playing a bit fearful and avoiding postflop play, which as the better player we should not be doing.
 
Parmcat said:
Assani,I was there last week, and was busy with the Fam thing to get out for an evening to play....I did go see the Love show at the Mirage, and they had a 10/20 O8 game going.....a table of very old guys...LOL There was also an interest list for 5/10 O8Hope this helpsParm
Cool thanks....have only been to Mirage once- thought their poker room was ok but nothing special. If the game at the Wynn is good, then I'd definitely rather play at the Wynn. Still though, having more options never hurts, so thanks for the tip. Let me know if you're back anytime soon and wanna meet up.
 
Parmcat said:
Assani,I was there last week, and was busy with the Fam thing to get out for an evening to play....I did go see the Love show at the Mirage, and they had a 10/20 O8 game going.....a table of very old guys...LOL There was also an interest list for 5/10 O8Hope this helpsParm
Cool thanks....have only been to Mirage once- thought their poker room was ok but nothing special. If the game at the Wynn is good, then I'd definitely rather play at the Wynn. Still though, having more options never hurts, so thanks for the tip. Let me know if you're back anytime soon and wanna meet up.
I hope to be there again is Feb or so...if not...will try to get there during the WSOP again....Keys owes me...so I will be stalking him....LOL
 
Assani Fisher said:
Alias said:
I agree with Munga, PF you either call or push, the pot already has $75-80 in it at this point, might as well (hopefully) take it down with a push.
You would rather take down $75 than have him call $70 more when he is out of position, hes a bad player, and he is almost surely playing a worse hand? At that point, my thoughts were on doubling up and/or extracting maximum value, not on trying to win a decent but not huge pot preflop.It definitely would've worked out better for me had I done that though, and perhaps certain people would even still call with worse hands than QQ if I shoved(and of course its better for me if he calls $170 than $70 if he has a worse hand than me).

Still though I think that shoving there is playing a bit fearful and avoiding postflop play, which as the better player we should not be doing.
Yeah I agree about the bolded, originally I was going to say just call and outplay him post flop. I guess a pot sized raise just does not seem like enough for me :goodposting:
 
Alright, got sidetracked a bit, but heres the writeup of the other session that I promised. This was my 3rd of 3 straight losing sessions live.....

Met up again with Mike Z(Unlucky from FBGs) to watch his Steeler's demolish my Ravens...just embarrassing. Ravens are horrible this year. I even said coming in that their record was a sham. Third best team in their division at best. We watched the game at Mandalay Bay. Their sportsbook is setup pretty well...comfortable seats, bathroom right there, nice big tvs. But I was diappointed to learn that bettting on sports didn't earn you free drinks. I had to bet $10 on a horse race to get free drinks...not a big deal, but still. Anyway, we decided to stay there and play a bit afterwards.

Mandalay Bay poker room is right by the sports book. Average size...not nearly as big as the big ones, but enough tables to keep you happy...similar to Planet Hollywood size wise imo, although not as spacious. Nothing really else to mention....very standard room imo. Nothing stood out as bad, so I guess thats a positive.

Anyway onto the interesting part.....

Hand #1

Villian is a lady who has been winning a lot. Doesn't seem very good at first. Then I see her make an incredibly strange play where she calls a pot sized bet on the flop drawing to a gutshot, hits the nuts on the turn, and just flat calls with the absolute nuts on the turn and river from LP.

I had seen her play one other hand, and I was involved. She limped, I raised to $15 with AQos, LP called, she calls from LP. Flop comes J32 rainbow and she bets $10 into a $48 pot.

I dunno what to really take from these. For one, I think its very likely that shes not a very good player though. And secondly, I think shes a bit timid. Onto the hand....

I have about $200, she has me covered.

Shes in the BB. Everyone folds to me in MP. I make a small raise with AJ, like $8 I think. Everyone folds to her, she calls. Flop comes KJ6 rainbow. She bets out $10. Meh....I dunno what to make of that. I'll call.

Turn is a jack. Perfect! She bets another $10. I choose to call because I think that if I raise here she'll get scared and fold. My plan is to raise the river unless its a king.

River is a $7. She bets again, this time a bit more($25 maybe, not sure). Your move.

What I did

I raised to something like $70(sorry for forgetting so many details this session). She called. She showed 77 for a rivered full house.

What I think I should've done

Ugh. I guess raise the turn. I dunno, I think I'm ok with waiting to raise. I guess maybe I could see just flat calling against her because shes so timid that she wouldn't have called anything if she was behind....but I have to think that she'd call with KQ there, no? I mean, I think its pretty tough to put me on a hand the way I played it. Meh....I don't know. Give me some advice.

Hand #2

I get 89os in MP and limp. A few other limpers both before and after me. I have a little over $200, everyone else important to the hand has me covered. Villian in this hand is an older guy, who is clearly a regular there. Seems like a fairly tight player, but at the same time he hasn't showed his hand when he hasn't had to, so I don't know for sure. But he definitely had that "nut peddling old man" look to him.

Flop comes 489 with two diamonds. Woman from hand #1 leads out for $10, villian calls, I raise to $40. They both call(everyone else folded at one point).

Turn is a 5 non diamond, giving 67 a straight. Woman checks, guy bets out $40 which really surprised me as I was all set to bet myself. I'm actually going to stop this hand in two different points. Your move.

What I did

I flat called. Woman flat called behind.

What I think I should've done

This is tough. On one hand, I don't want to continue to give cheap draws to the straights and flushes. On the other hand, I don't want to stack off here. I do have position, which is an argument for just calling. Really not sure. I guess if I had to say I think that raising all in would be my preferred move here, but its a close call and I don't hate myself for the way I played it.

The River

River is another five non diamond. Woman checks. Guy bets $100. Your move.

What I did

I thought for a while and called. Woman folded. Guy said "good call" and showed 7T. I showed my 89 and won.

What I think I should've done

This was tougher because I incorrectly labeled him as a tight passive old man before this hand. However, the river didn't really change much unless he had a higher pocket pair or had made two pair on turn and filled up on river, but I can't see him just flat calling the woman's $10 flop bet with either of those. Getting well over 3-1 on my call here, but I'm really not beating anything but a bluff. I think its the right play due to the pot odds.

Hand #3

The game was pretty tight. At least 3 of the people there were regulars and solid overall players. Add in me and Mike and you have yourself a tight table for sure. So I had been raising more often preflop, often only to $7. Had been successful taking down a few small pots. I had raised 3 out of the last 4 pots to $7 preflop and followed them all up with continuation bets on the flop.

One villian in this hand is a middle aged lady who thus far has played almost exactly as I play at $1/2. Obviously it hasn't been enough to tell for sure how good she is, and obviously there has to be some reason why shes only playing $1/2, but I would say I was impressed. She had about $215.

Other villian in hand is a young big breasted lady who just sat down with her boyfriend. Both of them were drinking and looked to be there just to gamble and have fun.

I get KK in MP and it has been folded to me. I raise again to $7, praying that someone gets tired of my act and comes over the top. Nobody does. In fact, the worst possible thing happens: I get a ton of callers.

Flop is 9TQ. Not exactly a perfect flop for me, but it'll do. Checked to me, I bet $15 and get 4 callers. Not good. Probably should've bet more, but I was prepared to release the hand to any aggression.

Turn is a rag, although I believe there is now a flush draw out there. Checked to me again, I bet $50. The big breasted lady calls from LP and the older villian calls from the blinds.

River is another rag, no flush came. If I had to say I think the board is something like 9TQ45, but the last two cards are really inconsequential. Older lady checks. Older lady has $150 left, big breasted lady has $100 left, you have them both covered. Your move.

What I did

I moved all in. Big breasted lady folded. Older lady called. Older lady showed Q9 for two pair and took the pot.

What I think I should've done

My thoughts at the time were that any hand that had me beat on the flop or turn would've surely bet or raised at some point to protect the hand against the draws. However, looking back I can see why she played the hand like she did, and I actually could see myself playing the hand like that(although I probably lead out on river once draws miss) some of the time. I dunno. I was surprised that I was beat. Still not really certain if I should've checked or not.

 
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What I think I should've done

My thoughts at the time were that any hand that had me beat on the flop or turn would've surely bet or raised at some point to protect the hand against the draws. However, looking back I can see why she played the hand like she did, and I actually could see myself playing the hand like that(although I probably lead out on river once draws miss) some of the time. I dunno. I was surprised that I was beat. Still not really certain if I should've checked or not.
I think you're giving her too much credit. She's probably just a timid player and isnt going to bet/raise, just check/call unless she has the nuts.i will be in vegas in Feb. also, hopefully we can meet up and i can play some cards with you.

 
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congrats man. Have you played a lot of big tourneys before? I don't recall hearing from you before, so I'm interested in hearing some details. Great job.
thanks! I play almost exclusively MTTs and SNGs. I play most of the east coast events and a bunch of WSOP events. I've been lucky enough to close pretty well when I've gone deep this year, so it's been a successful year. I'm ranked in the top 100 in the POY thingy on Cardplayer despite playing relatively light volume, so i'm quite happy.Keep up the good work with this thread, it's great.
 

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