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I agreed to trade him and my 1st round pick in a dynasty ( prior to his 200 yard outburst) for Roddy White. One of the reasons I did this was due to also owning Percy, and not feeling comfortable with two wr from the same team. I'm curious as to how other dynasty owners view the 2 wr situation: something to avoid, something to look for, or does it make a difference?thatguy said:
Having 2 WRs on the same NFL team in your starting lineup increases variance. Not as much as having a QB/WR combo, but it still does increase it. So, if you have an above-average team, you'd want to avoid it. If you have a below average team, you'd want to court that sort of thing. Thta being said, I don't think it makes enough of a difference to worry about. Maybe as a tie-breaker in a close deal, but it really doesn't have much effect. Of course, if one WR is a stud, and the other is just some random prospect that won't start for you for some time, then it's nearly entirely immaterial.
In my rankings, Gonzo's drop is a result of him going from "unquestioned #2 in Indy" to "questioned #2 in Indy". I have Shonn Greene low because I don't think he's a special talent, and I have Washington low because I think he's Jerious Norwood North. I'm not thinking short term (i.e. "he's not a starter yet..."), because I have Stewart ranked very high and he's not a starter yet, either (and I drafted MJD in the 2nd round of my startup years before he became a starter).F&L (and others who wish, of course), first off, this isn't a "rate my trade" post, but more of a "how do you account for injuries" question.Dynasty TradeTEAM A: Gave Anthony Gonzalez WR, Shonn Greene and Leon WashingtonTEAM B: Gave Rashard Mendenhall and Correl BuckhalterNotes relevant to the discussion (possibly)Start 3 WR and 2 RB (no flex)Team A has R. White, D. Jackson, M. Colston and M. Crabtree already at WR (giving up Gonzo was depth)I realize in your rankings Gonzalez is ranked fairly low (37 currently) - but in September he was ranked as high as 22. Is the drop simply due to the injury (his ranking will come back up once healthy) - or do you see the injury, combined with him being 1 year older (and a season seeing Garcon/Collie play fairly well) hurting his long term value that much?A similar question could be made in regards to L. Washington/Greene. Most beleive one of the two will be the starter in NY next season (or very soon after that given TJs age). Is the low ranking simply becuase that hasn't happened yet? (i.e. will the value of one or the other jump into the top 15 or so, when TJ is not resigned?)Just curious on your thoughts. Oh - and I will let you know which team is mine later.
I get the love, but I think this is crazy talk. Johnson, MJD, and ADP are RB1, 2, and 3 respectively in points to date, it's true... but what about Chris Johnson's level of production screams "sustainable" to you? Right now, Chris Johnson is one of four RBs since 1960 to post 6+ ypc with 150+ carries (the others are Jim Brown, Barry Sanders, and OJ Simpson). Which is all well and good, but each of those guys saw their YPC return to more normal levels throughout the rest of their career (Simpson had a 4.7 career ypc, Sanders had a 5.0 career ypc, Brown had a 5.2 career ypc). If Chris Johnson was averaging a merely awesome 5.5 ypc, he'd have 160 fewer yards and would rank behind both MJD and Peterson. Chris Johnson has been unbelievable so far, but this is not sustainable.As for MJD and ADP... their production is totally sustainable. They're just doing what they've always done. They're both averaging 5.1 ypc, which is right in line with their career averages, and also a sustainable rate for a stud RB. MJD is scoring boatloads of TDs, but there's nothing new there- he's averaging a TD for every 14 carries, but his career average is a TD for every 15 carries. Both MJD and Peterson are pretty much carrying on business as usual, and yet they're still essentially right on the heels of Chris Johnson in the midst of a career year.From a skillset standpoint, too, Chris Johnson doesn't have the tools to compete with ADP or MJD. Both of those backs are better all-around runners, and especially better in short yardage and at the goal line. The fact that he's currently having the best boom/bust season of any boom/bust RB in NFL history doesn't change the fact that CJ is still a boom/bust RB and will never be the TD threat that those two are. I'd take either of those backs above CJ from an NFL standpoint- and I'd add Steven Jackson to that list, too.
I traded Portis today for Willis McGahee, made sense in the short-term since I have Ray Rice, plus I'm taking a flier on the outside chance that McGahee lands a starting job somewhere else next year.Speaking of which, assuming McGahee is cut in the offseason, what are the odds of him landing a starting job next year, or at least the heavy share of a RBBC?SSOG said:
This seems to me like the Barry Sanders v Emmitt Smith argument all over again
You want to score the most points you can. It doesn't matter how you get those points.
Want to hear F&L weigh in here...In my rankings, Gonzo's drop is a result of him going from "unquestioned #2 in Indy" to "questioned #2 in Indy". I have Shonn Greene low because I don't think he's a special talent, and I have Washington low because I think he's Jerious Norwood North. I'm not thinking short term (i.e. "he's not a starter yet..."), because I have Stewart ranked very high and he's not a starter yet, either (and I drafted MJD in the 2nd round of my startup years before he became a starter).F&L (and others who wish, of course), first off, this isn't a "rate my trade" post, but more of a "how do you account for injuries" question.Dynasty TradeTEAM A: Gave Anthony Gonzalez WR, Shonn Greene and Leon WashingtonTEAM B: Gave Rashard Mendenhall and Correl BuckhalterNotes relevant to the discussion (possibly)Start 3 WR and 2 RB (no flex)Team A has R. White, D. Jackson, M. Colston and M. Crabtree already at WR (giving up Gonzo was depth)I realize in your rankings Gonzalez is ranked fairly low (37 currently) - but in September he was ranked as high as 22. Is the drop simply due to the injury (his ranking will come back up once healthy) - or do you see the injury, combined with him being 1 year older (and a season seeing Garcon/Collie play fairly well) hurting his long term value that much?A similar question could be made in regards to L. Washington/Greene. Most beleive one of the two will be the starter in NY next season (or very soon after that given TJs age). Is the low ranking simply becuase that hasn't happened yet? (i.e. will the value of one or the other jump into the top 15 or so, when TJ is not resigned?)Just curious on your thoughts. Oh - and I will let you know which team is mine later.I get the love, but I think this is crazy talk. Johnson, MJD, and ADP are RB1, 2, and 3 respectively in points to date, it's true... but what about Chris Johnson's level of production screams "sustainable" to you? Right now, Chris Johnson is one of four RBs since 1960 to post 6+ ypc with 150+ carries (the others are Jim Brown, Barry Sanders, and OJ Simpson). Which is all well and good, but each of those guys saw their YPC return to more normal levels throughout the rest of their career (Simpson had a 4.7 career ypc, Sanders had a 5.0 career ypc, Brown had a 5.2 career ypc). If Chris Johnson was averaging a merely awesome 5.5 ypc, he'd have 160 fewer yards and would rank behind both MJD and Peterson. Chris Johnson has been unbelievable so far, but this is not sustainable.As for MJD and ADP... their production is totally sustainable. They're just doing what they've always done. They're both averaging 5.1 ypc, which is right in line with their career averages, and also a sustainable rate for a stud RB. MJD is scoring boatloads of TDs, but there's nothing new there- he's averaging a TD for every 14 carries, but his career average is a TD for every 15 carries. Both MJD and Peterson are pretty much carrying on business as usual, and yet they're still essentially right on the heels of Chris Johnson in the midst of a career year.From a skillset standpoint, too, Chris Johnson doesn't have the tools to compete with ADP or MJD. Both of those backs are better all-around runners, and especially better in short yardage and at the goal line. The fact that he's currently having the best boom/bust season of any boom/bust RB in NFL history doesn't change the fact that CJ is still a boom/bust RB and will never be the TD threat that those two are. I'd take either of those backs above CJ from an NFL standpoint- and I'd add Steven Jackson to that list, too.
take the money and run
i really don't think it is as lopsided as you do.How big of you.
it is completely and totally one sided....beyond lopsided.unless of course there is some crazy scoring that your not sharingi really don't think it is as lopsided as you do.How big of you.
Then you might want to rethink he situation. I realize he doesn't have much "tread on the tires" but Turner's already 27 and he now has a leg injury. VJax is a top 3 dynasty WR - who is starting to come into his own. He'a year younger than Turner and WR's don't drop off at 30 like RBs tend to. Granted, some of it may depend on your current roster, scoring, starting requirements, etc. but many would suggest that Turner for VJax straight up would be a decent trade for the person getting VJax - but you're also getting the #1 rookie WR in terms of talent as well - one who some think could be a top fantasy WR in his own right and very soon.i really don't think it is as lopsided as you do.
I wouldn't dream of trading VJax for Turner straight up. Not a chance in hell. Even if Turner was 100% healthy, I wouldn't touch that with a ten-foot pole.Here's what I said about him on October 19th:#1- I made this one already, but I'm reiterating it for emphasis. Michael Turner is not a top-10 dynasty RB. He impressed me far more as a backup to LT than he did as a workhorse for Atlanta. He's a solid back, but he's not as special as I thought he was. So far this year, he's really been struggling- his ypc had dropped from 4.5 to 3.7 coming into this week, and it'll be even lower now. His performance so far this year has actually been propped up thanks to all those TDs (he was the #3 RB in points per game in standard FBGs scoring coming into this week), so others might not have caught on yet. I think it's a great time to see what you can get for him and move on without him. Especially because, not only is he not as good as I thought he was, he's also a lot older than you might think. Of F&L's top 20 RBs, only six are even within TWO YEARS of Turner (Jacobs, Ronnie, DeAngelo, Gore, Barber, and SJax), and Turner is older than all of them except for Brown. He's still 3 years away from the dreaded 3-0, but his perceived value is going to start falling QUICKLY (in two years, no one will want him because he's just a year away from 30). I have no trouble holding an RB while his value drops if he's getting me Ronnie-like production, but I don't think Turner is going to do that anymore going forward.
I'd take VJax / Crabtree over Turner 10 days out of 10i really don't think it is as lopsided as you do.How big of you.
Let's update this: Michael Turner is averaging 5.0 yards per carry in 2009, which is half a yard more than his 2008 season that saw him finish No. 2 in fantasy points.To reiterate, he's not my kind of Dynasty asset considering his age and lack of involvement in the passing game. I still think you're selling him short.
yes, but am i selling him short for vjax and crab?
Agreed. He's selling him a lot short. Turner is a very special runner.
I get that you don't like CJ over AP/MJD because you don't think he can sustain his current YPC (6.4 YTD). It's not so much that you think AP or MJD are underperforming right now, but rather you think CJ is overperforming. I do think he can continue to average ~20 fantasy points per game. I will concede that he could just be riding a nice wave of variance, but this could also easily be the result of everything really coming together for him. Obviously, coming into the league last year his body and physical tools were ready for the NFL game, but I am wondering if after seeing 20+ NFL games if things are really starting to slow down for him, and he is morphing into something truly amazing. Regardless, my root point isn't that he should be ranked ahead for this season (although Dodds and I both think he should be), but rather that I look at him, and wonder if he can keep getting better. What does he become if he can add a few more tricks to his repetoire? What does he become if Tenn goes from a normal 2.3 TD/game offense to a good 3.3 TD/game offense? He's at least in the #1 discussion for this year. If he actually can improve, he manages to provide a competitive advantage over the AP owner in your league. He would provide a crushing advantage over the Frank Gore owner in your league. Maybe you disagree and see something approaching a 0% chance of that happening. If that's the case, then he absolutely should stay in the RB3-5 range. I'm starting to think it's nearing 50/50, and that is just a huge boon to a player's value. However, even if someone thinks there's only a 10-20% shot of it happening, depending on where you put him currently, I think you still need consider putting him in the #1 spot.In my rankings, Gonzo's drop is a result of him going from "unquestioned #2 in Indy" to "questioned #2 in Indy". I have Shonn Greene low because I don't think he's a special talent, and I have Washington low because I think he's Jerious Norwood North. I'm not thinking short term (i.e. "he's not a starter yet..."), because I have Stewart ranked very high and he's not a starter yet, either (and I drafted MJD in the 2nd round of my startup years before he became a starter).F&L (and others who wish, of course), first off, this isn't a "rate my trade" post, but more of a "how do you account for injuries" question.
Dynasty Trade
TEAM A: Gave Anthony Gonzalez WR, Shonn Greene and Leon Washington
TEAM B: Gave Rashard Mendenhall and Correl Buckhalter
Notes relevant to the discussion (possibly)
Start 3 WR and 2 RB (no flex)
Team A has R. White, D. Jackson, M. Colston and M. Crabtree already at WR (giving up Gonzo was depth)
I realize in your rankings Gonzalez is ranked fairly low (37 currently) - but in September he was ranked as high as 22. Is the drop simply due to the injury (his ranking will come back up once healthy) - or do you see the injury, combined with him being 1 year older (and a season seeing Garcon/Collie play fairly well) hurting his long term value that much?
A similar question could be made in regards to L. Washington/Greene. Most beleive one of the two will be the starter in NY next season (or very soon after that given TJs age). Is the low ranking simply becuase that hasn't happened yet? (i.e. will the value of one or the other jump into the top 15 or so, when TJ is not resigned?)
Just curious on your thoughts. Oh - and I will let you know which team is mine later.I get the love, but I think this is crazy talk. Johnson, MJD, and ADP are RB1, 2, and 3 respectively in points to date, it's true... but what about Chris Johnson's level of production screams "sustainable" to you? Right now, Chris Johnson is one of four RBs since 1960 to post 6+ ypc with 150+ carries (the others are Jim Brown, Barry Sanders, and OJ Simpson). Which is all well and good, but each of those guys saw their YPC return to more normal levels throughout the rest of their career (Simpson had a 4.7 career ypc, Sanders had a 5.0 career ypc, Brown had a 5.2 career ypc). If Chris Johnson was averaging a merely awesome 5.5 ypc, he'd have 160 fewer yards and would rank behind both MJD and Peterson. Chris Johnson has been unbelievable so far, but this is not sustainable.As for MJD and ADP... their production is totally sustainable. They're just doing what they've always done. They're both averaging 5.1 ypc, which is right in line with their career averages, and also a sustainable rate for a stud RB. MJD is scoring boatloads of TDs, but there's nothing new there- he's averaging a TD for every 14 carries, but his career average is a TD for every 15 carries. Both MJD and Peterson are pretty much carrying on business as usual, and yet they're still essentially right on the heels of Chris Johnson in the midst of a career year.
From a skillset standpoint, too, Chris Johnson doesn't have the tools to compete with ADP or MJD. Both of those backs are better all-around runners, and especially better in short yardage and at the goal line. The fact that he's currently having the best boom/bust season of any boom/bust RB in NFL history doesn't change the fact that CJ is still a boom/bust RB and will never be the TD threat that those two are. I'd take either of those backs above CJ from an NFL standpoint- and I'd add Steven Jackson to that list, too.
Not at all. Unless you have a whacked out scoring system, take the offer and run.What's with your objection that you'd be "left with" Peterson, Chris Johnson, and Pierre Thomas? That's gotta be the best trio in the league even if you're playing in a 6-man league.
Huh????Moss recorded 40.....let me repeat 40 TDs combined in his rookie year (Age 21) and his 10th year (Age 30). That fact in itself leads me to say that Moss is the best WR ever to play the game, and I'm not dissing Jerry Rice. If I'm starting an NFL team, my first pick would be Moss as I can wait till my next selection to grab one of the great QBs, but Moss is the common denominator on the 2 highest scoring offenses in NFL history......simply opens up the offense greater than any single player in history, Welker should pay for Moss' vacation each year, as he's made this guy's career and enhanced Tom Terrific's profile as well. So I simply can't get with that comparison as Moss has much better speed and athleticism than V-Jax could ever dream of, and V-Jax is plenty talented, but quite simplyMoss (21-27 yrs old) >>>>>>>>>>>> V-Jax (now)and Moss (32 yrs old) >>>>>>>> V-Jax (now)Moss is The Ultimate Playmaker, nobody has done it better nor been more threatening to a defense from the WR positionThe closest that anyone may come to Moss is Calvin, and he has quite a ways to go......I'd say V-Jax is closer to Michael Irvin (or Herman Moore or Carl Pickens or Marcus Robinson) moreso than he is to Randy Moss in play style and ability
First off, I never said that Vincent Jackson was the closest thing we'd see to Randy Moss in ability. I also never said that he would produce at a Moss-like level for the rest of his career. I said he was the closest thing we'd see to Randy Moss in measurables (6'5", sub 4.4 forty) and playstyle (dominant both as a deep threat and as a red zone threat). I also never said that he was Randy Moss, I said that he might be the closest we'd see. In fact, Jackson's game is different from Moss's in the red zone in that Jackson is 25+ lbs. heavier and more able to outmuscle DBs, while Moss has that unmatched leaping ability. I was just saying really the only comparison for the wildly disparate areas that VJax has managed to excel in is Moss. Typically, WRs either excel in traffic, or they excel in space, but few have managed to put the two together like Vincent Jackson has so far this season.
Maybe I am. I haven't caught many Falcons games (and none in the last three weeks since he's really started turning it on), but like I said, I wasn't as impressed with him last year in Atlanta as I was two years ago in San Diego.
I don't think he's built to handle 20+ carries a game. I don't think he's capable of handling short yardage duties. I don't think there's any chance in hell of him sustaining his current ypc rate. I just don't think there's anything sustainable about his current level of production.Also, in response to the bolded, Chris Johnson has boatloads of the "bust" to go along with his "boom". If you look at his 26 carries this last week, Johnson had 4 carries for 104 yards, and 22 other carries for 28 yards, including the following carries:
46) C.Johnson left end to TEN 46 for 2 yards (Sp.Johnson).
I see the complete opposite. People think Minnesota's line is good because it's good in Madden, but they have been a below average run blocking unit this year.Also, Tennessee runs tons of screens to get Johnson out in open space, Minnesota almost never runs them.Watch Chris Johnson highlights. On every big play when he gets the ball he's got 6 yards around him in all directions with no defenders. Peterson has yet to get the ball in that situation all year. It's remarkable that Peterson is putting up a 5.1ypc behind that line. Chester Taylor is averaging 2.6ypc behind the same line.
Not true. Hopefully Week 10 is a sign of things to come. The Titans ran at least 2 screens (maybe 3?) against the Bills, but they had not been running too many screens earlier in the year. They've admittedly gotten more creative about getting CJ the ball in space since Young entered the lineup 3 games ago, but that certainly wasn't the case when Collins was under center.
Irvin is a good comparison. Anyone, including SSOG, is entitled to a little hyperbole when their guy breaks out. Hopefully he also saw the Sunday night game where the NBC folks timed Moss' long touchdown run at something like a 3.6 40. For all the specialness of VJax, Moss is still on another plane as far as measurables and ability even at 32.
As is almost always the case in Dynasty league trades, the team walking away with the best player wins. In this case, I'd much rather have Mendenhall than the package with Gonzalez and Greene.As SSOG said, "Gonzo's drop is a result of him going from unquestioned #2 in Indy to questioned #2 in Indy."Like the majority of Colts players, much of their value resides in situation rather than talent. Gonzo's situation is a huge question mark right now because the Colts clearly don't need him. The offense is dominant with Austin Collie and Pierre Garcon playing well. What is Gonzo's role when he does come back? Making matters worse is that Gonzo can't get over the hump with this knee injury. I have a bad feeling about an injury that was supposed to have him back in the lineup in Week 7. It's a month later, and we still have no timetable for his return. Re: Washington/Greene. I agree with SSOG that Washington is basically Jerious Norwood North with a few extra touches. He's never going to be "the man." If fact, I'm not sure if we can count on much of a contribution at all next season. He may never be the player he once was after a severe broken leg. I like Greene more than SSOG does, but his value is kept in check by the uncertainly on his ETA for the lead back job. Most of the Jets beat writers believe Thomas Jones will be brought back next season because of Washington's injury, which means another year of waiting for Greene. When he does finally get the job, how valuable will he be? He doesn't catch passes, so he's going to have to find the end zone like Michael Turner to be a fantasy star. I don't mind waiting on a player for a couple of years if I have every reason to believe he's going to be a fantasy difference-maker. But Shonn Greene is no Jonathan Stewart.F&L (and others who wish, of course), first off, this isn't a "rate my trade" post, but more of a "how do you account for injuries" question.Dynasty TradeTEAM A: Gave Anthony Gonzalez WR, Shonn Greene and Leon WashingtonTEAM B: Gave Rashard Mendenhall and Correl BuckhalterNotes relevant to the discussion (possibly)Start 3 WR and 2 RB (no flex)Team A has R. White, D. Jackson, M. Colston and M. Crabtree already at WR (giving up Gonzo was depth)I realize in your rankings Gonzalez is ranked fairly low (37 currently) - but in September he was ranked as high as 22. Is the drop simply due to the injury (his ranking will come back up once healthy) - or do you see the injury, combined with him being 1 year older (and a season seeing Garcon/Collie play fairly well) hurting his long term value that much?A similar question could be made in regards to L. Washington/Greene. Most beleive one of the two will be the starter in NY next season (or very soon after that given TJs age). Is the low ranking simply becuase that hasn't happened yet? (i.e. will the value of one or the other jump into the top 15 or so, when TJ is not resigned?)Just curious on your thoughts. Oh - and I will let you know which team is mine later.
Not even in 25-man roster leagues.
I didn't stop reading right there, but the answer remains "what the hell are you waiting for?!" Portis was done coming into this season, but Portis owners have been the most delusional Dynasty leaguers of the past couple of seasons ... so I guess that's to be expected.Take the trade and then go steal CJ3 from your dad ... although I think that's a horrible thing to do to someone who brought you into this world.
Thank you sir. Your input and expertise on all things dynastic is fantastic. Just for the record, I was the owner who got MendenhallAs is almost always the case in Dynasty league trades, the team walking away with the best player wins. In this case, I'd much rather have Mendenhall than the package with Gonzalez and Greene.As SSOG said, "Gonzo's drop is a result of him going from unquestioned #2 in Indy to questioned #2 in Indy."F&L (and others who wish, of course), first off, this isn't a "rate my trade" post, but more of a "how do you account for injuries" question.
Dynasty Trade
TEAM A: Gave Anthony Gonzalez WR, Shonn Greene and Leon Washington
TEAM B: Gave Rashard Mendenhall and Correl Buckhalter
Notes relevant to the discussion (possibly)
Start 3 WR and 2 RB (no flex)
Team A has R. White, D. Jackson, M. Colston and M. Crabtree already at WR (giving up Gonzo was depth)
I realize in your rankings Gonzalez is ranked fairly low (37 currently) - but in September he was ranked as high as 22. Is the drop simply due to the injury (his ranking will come back up once healthy) - or do you see the injury, combined with him being 1 year older (and a season seeing Garcon/Collie play fairly well) hurting his long term value that much?
A similar question could be made in regards to L. Washington/Greene. Most beleive one of the two will be the starter in NY next season (or very soon after that given TJs age). Is the low ranking simply becuase that hasn't happened yet? (i.e. will the value of one or the other jump into the top 15 or so, when TJ is not resigned?)
Just curious on your thoughts. Oh - and I will let you know which team is mine later.
Like the majority of Colts players, much of their value resides in situation rather than talent. Gonzo's situation is a huge question mark right now because the Colts clearly don't need him. The offense is dominant with Austin Collie and Pierre Garcon playing well. What is Gonzo's role when he does come back? Making matters worse is that Gonzo can't get over the hump with this knee injury. I have a bad feeling about an injury that was supposed to have him back in the lineup in Week 7. It's a month later, and we still have no timetable for his return.
Re: Washington/Greene. I agree with SSOG that Washington is basically Jerious Norwood North with a few extra touches. He's never going to be "the man." If fact, I'm not sure if we can count on much of a contribution at all next season. He may never be the player he once was after a severe broken leg. I like Greene more than SSOG does, but his value is kept in check by the uncertainly on his ETA for the lead back job. Most of the Jets beat writers believe Thomas Jones will be brought back next season because of Washington's injury, which means another year of waiting for Greene. When he does finally get the job, how valuable will he be? He doesn't catch passes, so he's going to have to find the end zone like Michael Turner to be a fantasy star.
I don't mind waiting on a player for a couple of years if I have every reason to believe he's going to be a fantasy difference-maker. But Shonn Greene is no Jonathan Stewart.
AHHHHHHEeeeeemmmmmmLook's like he'll be starting the rest of the season after a good game last week in his first significant action as a Ram.In deep leagues, he's more then worth a flyer.
No. This is the thread that said "Swing for the fences because championship banners fly forever." Or "The current season is three times as important as any future season." I personally don't do any strict exit value analysis or project numbers 3-5 years down the road. But that doesn't mean that I don't value the future. While I don't have a hard and fast rule about looking beyond three years, I do have a rule that I don't like RBs once they hit age 28. What's happened the past couple of seasons with young backs vs. aging backs only reinforces that one.
I agree. Traded him last week for Hester. I just wanted to rid myself of him.
Look for some teams out of contention and buy a Donald Driver or a Hines Ward off of them on the cheap to shore up your WR situation. The only way I'd deal either Harvin or Nicks is if I could get an upgrade at WR- maybe trading one of them to a team out of contention for Santonio Holmes, Steve Smith North, or Chad Ochocinco, or else packaging one of them with Washington or Bradshaw for another quality young WR who is actually producing at a WR2+ level right now. You might even be able to steal Randy Moss if the owner's out of contention. Another route would be to try to package the two of them together for a Roddy White type.Also, since we're on the subject, I hate the idea of trade deadlines in dynasty leagues. It's not like redraft where once you're eliminated from the playoffs there's nothing to prevent you from destroying your team and tanking on purpose.
Irvin was a great WR, but he was 6'2", 207 lbs, and ran the 40 in over 4.5 seconds.
There is a much smaller difference between 4.45 and 4.55 than between 4.45 and track speed. VJax doesn't have track speed. He has great speed for a 6'5" guy. Please show me clips of VJax outrunning corners on fly routes.
no offense but I disagree with you on almost every point. The left side of the vikings line has played fine (hutch has been hurt and doesn't have birk to his left so he has not been elite but I think the majority of the nfl would take steve hutchinson at 85%,) i think sullivan has sucked and herrera has never been good. Loadholt has been improving weekly and is a serviceable RT.Tennessee's line has not played at a great level this year either. Roos isn't playing at the level he was last year, the interior of the line is also down (Mawae, scott) ... Amano and Stewart have been solid on the right side but they are not performing any better (and probably worse then the vikings 5some.Also, on the Chris Johnson thing. You obviously didnt watch the San Fran game or even a lot of the Bills game. If anything Johnson is greatly helped by both Scaife and Crumpler being big TEs who can help seal the edge. The best thing about him is he gets to the edge before a defense can close.A lot of Adrian Peterson's negative runs are less to do with poor blocking and more to do with him wanting to either bust something outside instead of taking sure yardage or him trying to setup a big cutback and defenses staying disciplined on the back side. I can understand your chester comparison but in seeing the games I have ... he just doesn't seem to be the back he was last season. He looks indecisive and skiddish.
Also, the vikings are clearly trying to get the ball to AP in space this season with a lot of designed screens and more dumps then he has received in the past.
I didn't bother to look up Irvin's info, but this was my immediate reaction when I read this as well. Jackson is 6'5" 230, ran a 4.38 40 and had a 39" vertical at his combine. He is much more of a physical freak than Irvin ever was.
How big of you.
