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Sebowski
Footballguy
modogg
Footballguy
what the hell, Stipe didn't even hold his hands up. You would think he wouldn't be taking a guy lightly, but looked that way.
And man that belly, DC might be larger then Roy Nelson with that thing.
Good Posting Judge
Footballguy
Good Posting Judge
Footballguy
Punxsutawney Phil
Footballguy
The UFC has a double standard with the WWE schtick. On one hand, Dana wants these guys acting professional, but it's obvious the fans love the unprofessional stuff, like the Lesnar push. Did you hear the crowd pop?Lesnar calling other people a POS
ILUVBEER99
Footballguy
Yep. Brock barely beat a washed up Mike Hunt...and Brock was juiced.
DC will beat him easily.
GOB
Footballguy
I'm going to have to disagree with you here.
DC was setting up Stipe to throw that short right hook all fight. He kept letting him dig underhooks and DC would tie him up with overhooks. I think Stipe thought they would tie up there and DC landed it on the button.
I am not a DC fan, but you have to respect him and he deserves it all.
Mike Perry and Paulo Costo are just the best though. Pure violence with no idea on defense.
NewlyRetired
Footballguy
has anyone seen an interview with Nagonnou yet about what in gods name happened during his fight?
Bobcat10
Footballguy
Like I worried about, cerebral Cormier came though. Agree with GOB above. No idea why Stipe wanted to clinch so much, he played right into what DC wanted. Great plan as I expected.
DC also knows exactly what he's going with his fingers and that it's illegal (and dirty) and he'll do it long enough until the other fighter can't see or he gets a final warning. The ref said he warned him 3 times even before the poke...so I think he should have taken a point there. Probably doesn't change the outcome, but you just can't allow that as a referee. Whoever the ref was Friday night did a great job at controlling the fighter who was doing the same thing as DC and prevented a poke in doing so.
It was a historic run for Stipe! Too bad he won't get his well deserved rematch because (from whispers around town) he doesn't get along that great with the bossman. Dana will go for the money fight as usual instead of doing the right thing. Stipe should sit back, enjoy his family (I think his wife is about to have a little girl) and see what happens with Dana's #### show.
And Ngannou/Lewis was the worst thing I think I've ever witnessed. Two violent guys that don't want to get violent. Happens sometimes, but not to that extreme. Embarrassing. They should both move down in the standings near #10.
DC also knows exactly what he's going with his fingers and that it's illegal (and dirty) and he'll do it long enough until the other fighter can't see or he gets a final warning. The ref said he warned him 3 times even before the poke...so I think he should have taken a point there. Probably doesn't change the outcome, but you just can't allow that as a referee. Whoever the ref was Friday night did a great job at controlling the fighter who was doing the same thing as DC and prevented a poke in doing so.
It was a historic run for Stipe! Too bad he won't get his well deserved rematch because (from whispers around town) he doesn't get along that great with the bossman. Dana will go for the money fight as usual instead of doing the right thing. Stipe should sit back, enjoy his family (I think his wife is about to have a little girl) and see what happens with Dana's #### show.
And Ngannou/Lewis was the worst thing I think I've ever witnessed. Two violent guys that don't want to get violent. Happens sometimes, but not to that extreme. Embarrassing. They should both move down in the standings near #10.
modogg
Footballguy
he looked good fighting, not his physique. Jon Jones would light him like a firework if he can just get back in the octagon
GOB
Footballguy
Correct.
Look Stipe was piecing him up with combos from distance. But I think somebody mentioned previously that DC's chin would hold up enough to get it into the clinch where he will win it. Let me see if I can find that post from that smart guy.
Angry Beavers
Footballguy
Bummed Stipe lost, but have to give it up to DC. I agree that Dana has wanted Stipe to lose for a while now so it will be a hot minute before Stipe gets another big fight. I am not sure what is next for him. Lewis maybe?
Charlie Harper
Footballguy
I re-watched the Carwin fight and the Cain fight and I change my mind....DC will own Brock. I forgot how terrible Brock looked once Carwin put some punches on him and Cain stuffed his takedowns pretty well.
My fanboy memory just remembers Brock choking Carwin out and I blamed the diverticulitis for the Cain and Overeem losses.
AhrnCityPahnder
Yinz-o-riffic
Curtis Blaydes probably makes the most sense, winner gets a guaranteed title shot.
Craig_MiamiFL
Footballguy
No brainer
Had either of Lewis-Ngannou done anything at all there may be a discussion. As is, neither are in line to face Stipe or Blaydes IMO
modogg
Footballguy
i kind of hope not. Stipe will crush Blaydes, guy needs some more tune up fights. Alex Volkov is new to the UFC too but could be an option. Velasquez would be real good but i don't think he wants to fight anymore
and lol, UFC doesn't put a lot of effort into their website apparently. 1/3 of the guys listed aren't there anymore: http://www.ufc.com/fighter/Weight_Class/Heavyweight
AhrnCityPahnder
Yinz-o-riffic
I agree that Stipe beats Blades, but Blades just smashed Overeem. He doesn't need any more tune up fights. He needs a top 5 guy.
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modogg
Footballguy
HWY division is real weird. looking at guys like 'Reem, Hunt, Lewis, JDS, etc. you really can't always predict what you can get. it is good they got some new blood in there, but Blaydes only has 10 professional fights. Fighting Stipe might be his best call because losing to him can be seen as a good learning experience.
NewlyRetired
Footballguy
Ngannou's statement on the fight. It really shows you the mental side of the sport
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francisngannou: "I am not proud of my last performance. I have carried my fear from the last fight to this one. I completely understand the frustration & anger that it has caused to my fans, coaches, teammates, family and friends and I am truly sorry for that. I won't let everyone down again. All I can do now is prove myself and make you proud again."
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francisngannou: "I am not proud of my last performance. I have carried my fear from the last fight to this one. I completely understand the frustration & anger that it has caused to my fans, coaches, teammates, family and friends and I am truly sorry for that. I won't let everyone down again. All I can do now is prove myself and make you proud again."
Maik Jeaunz
Footballguy
bummed for Felder. I think he would have won that fight if not for the injured right arm. he hardly used it the last 2 rounds and still grabbed one of the judges' cards.
the Lesnar stuff interests me 0%. I'm interested in real fighters fighting, not a WWE circus.
the Lesnar stuff interests me 0%. I'm interested in real fighters fighting, not a WWE circus.
AhrnCityPahnder
Yinz-o-riffic
Yeah, Felder not getting a PotN bonus sucks. oh well.
Also. Can we get a Costa / Stylebender fight next?
Also. Can we get a Costa / Stylebender fight next?
bryhamm
Footballguy
. Stipe is gonna light that fool up
Charlie Harper
Footballguy
I don't get the Lesnar hate.
Dude has had several main event fights and none have been boring win or lose. He has a legit wrestling background and is a world class athlete. Fans discredit his HW reign, but people have been sucking off Stipe for defending 3 TIMES!!! People hate the "WWE" aspect, but the same people suck McGregor's nuts.
If you hate him for steroids I respect that, but hell the HW division is so ### I don't really care. Brock comes in for a fight every couple of years, puts on a show, and everyone (even his opponents!!) gets paid. So hate on him taking steroids, but saying he isn't a real fighter is nuts.
modogg
Footballguy
some valid points above. The UFC has themselves in a quandry with DC now too, guy has said multiple occassions he wants to retire at 40, and he is 39 now (turns 40 next March). McGreggor made the whole 2 belts thing cool, but there isn't much for Cormier at LHW, outside of another Jones fight. I would like to see him vacate that belt and fight 3-4 times at HWY. Jones can fight him up there, and advantage should go to DC since he is more accustomed to fighting at that weight class. I don't know the terms of Brock's suspension, but it would seem to be almost up since the UFC paraded him out there. I could see him fight Brock, some valid contender in between, and end with Jones. Doesn't have to finish at 40 on the dot, if he loses Jones he can take another one to go out on a win.I’m sad that Stipe lost but I’m pretty down on the whole UFC right now. The HW Champ is actually at LHW and now the next fight is going to be against an old steroid WWE clown.
The LHW champ is a guy that only has the belt because the real champ can’t stay clean.
MW champ is only there because GSP poached the belt and now can’t fight. Whittaker is a solid fighter so this isn’t as bad as the others.
WW champ is legit but oh lord I don’t think I can handle Covington as the belt holder.
LW we can’t get the fight we want between Tony and Khabib.
FW we got denied an awesome fight tonight.
BW Dillishaw is alright but BW, FW and LW are all only belt holders Money McGregor doesn’t care about anything but himself.
SW is just DJ dominating. Everyone loves DJ maybe a little better of stable of competition for him would be nice? I don’t know though. He’s real awesome.
Maybe I’m just bitter
That would seem to give us a good idea what his legacy will be. Kind of shame he went to LHW because of Cain, he would have probably cemented more credible wins instead of fighting guys like Cummins, and SIlva on a few weeks notice. I think if he goes the above route, that fight for Jones will be the key for him. He will cement himself at the top (maybe top 3-4 HWY of all time if he can sneak in multiple title defenses. But no way he can enter the GOAT discussion without another fight with Jon, and i think his chances at HWY are better then at LHW
kutta
Footballguy
Seeing that no other HW fighter EVER has defended the title three straight times, Stipe deserves a ton of credit.
And I hate the WWE aspect of things, and I also can't stand McGregor. So I guess I'm off the hook.
I think he cheapens the UFC. Sure, he can wrestle. But the fake promoting he does (and Connor does), to me, just makes the UFC look like they are chasing the $ instead of chasing the best fights and fighters.
Note - I agree Connor is actually a good fighter, so it's different for him. But I still can't stand the fake BS stuff he brings.
Nathan R. Jessep
Footballguy
I enjoyed the card, except for the fightless fight
As for the WWE aspect, it's not like that is a new thing. Ken Shamrock. Tito. There's always been a "character" somewhere in the rankings, and because they get reactions (be them good or bad), that's who gets the promo juice. I, for one, look forward to the DC-Brock fight. And I bet any of the younger fighters would kill to be on that fight card.
As for the WWE aspect, it's not like that is a new thing. Ken Shamrock. Tito. There's always been a "character" somewhere in the rankings, and because they get reactions (be them good or bad), that's who gets the promo juice. I, for one, look forward to the DC-Brock fight. And I bet any of the younger fighters would kill to be on that fight card.
Paulymaggs
Footballguy
If not for the failed tests, the DC win legitimizes Jones as the GOAT.
Punxsutawney Phil
Footballguy
Anyone seeing this Dana / Schaub drama. Brendan's latest Eskimo bro comment would lead one to believe the same girl is Rhonda... 
NewlyRetired
Footballguy
that was quite eye openeingAnyone seeing this Dana / Schaub drama. Brendan's latest Eskimo bro comment would lead one to believe the same girl is Rhonda...
I only saw Brendon's response. Do you have a link (or can describe) what precipitated this response?
modogg
Footballguy
yeah what is the backstory i wonder?that was quite eye openeing
I only saw Brendon's response. Do you have a link (or can describe) what precipitated this response?
here it is for those wondering:
https://twitter.com/BrendanSchaub/status/1017493904059400192
Borden
Footballguy
Schaub was vocal about having issues with the Reebok(?) fight gear deal. This one seems like almost all on Dana though.
White needs to stop with this kind of stuff. I can’t imagine and other of the major sports commissioners engaging like this. I like that White seems to speak openly but with the state of the UFC and how close it’s starting to get to the WWE, he needs to tone it down. Or least be smarter with picking when to get into social media disputes.
Edit: I feel bad that I gave this story a click. I’d really like the UFC to get back to the fights and not “promotion”.
White needs to stop with this kind of stuff. I can’t imagine and other of the major sports commissioners engaging like this. I like that White seems to speak openly but with the state of the UFC and how close it’s starting to get to the WWE, he needs to tone it down. Or least be smarter with picking when to get into social media disputes.
Edit: I feel bad that I gave this story a click. I’d really like the UFC to get back to the fights and not “promotion”.
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ILUVBEER99
Footballguy
The CM Punk embarrassment definitely shows the UFC is fine with WWE type stuff. Putting someone absolutely unqualified to be in a UFC ring was a joke. CM Punk is not anywhere near an elite athlete, he coulda got seriously injured. I just hope they don't keep going that route.
Brock is different as he actually is/or at least was an elite wrestler. At the same time he doesn't deserve to fight for the UFC title at this point in his career. It's a joke.
BustedKnuckles
Footballguy
If a fighter has the personality and can be original in his promoting why not? Look at ALI ....yes he was a great fighter...but if he didnt talk the way he did ...if he didnt do the antics he did before and after his fights he would have been just another great fighter ...like Frazier or Foreman...what sets Ali apart from the rest was his showmanship...it made him richer than most ...CM is the same way...he stands out from the crowd ...he makes an otherwise average fight seem like a great fight by how he acts before...the things he says and does...he gets peoples attention ...of course their are people who hate that stuff...but at the end of the day CM is going to do what he knows works so he can make the big bucks...CM is one of the wittiest fighters in a long time ...his one liners become t-shirts and memes...''who the f### is THAT guy'' will be repeated for years and years ...that wasnt planned ...he just said the exact right thing at the exact right time....thats not something just anyone can duplicate...then after all is said and done he trains like an animal and backs up his antics and predictions with action...so while others see BS ...i see brilliance on level with ALI
NewlyRetired
Footballguy
what made Ali brilliant was that he talked AND backed it up.
Ali had 28 title defenses.
Which just happens to be exactly 27 more than Conor has attempted.
Mentioning these two in the same breath just seem like a stretch to me.
BustedKnuckles
Footballguy
im not comparing records ...im talking promoting style ...they are 2 completely different fighters ...but they are similar in approach to promoting...as far as backing it up what does it matter if the fight is a title fight or not? a fight is a fight
kutta
Footballguy
I agree he’s a great promoter. I just don’t like it. I’ve always respected humble people who are great at what they do, and I’ve always disliked loudmouths. I just don’t like the guy.
BustedKnuckles
Footballguy
have you ever watched anything other than videos of him doing what he does to sell fights? him talking quietly ...Conor the family man? Conor giving his opponents straight up respect after the fight (if given to him)....the conor who is gracious in defeat ...the movie NOTORIOUS is a great film to watch to get a real feel of who Conor is
kutta
Footballguy
That’s all fine and good. I just think you should show respect to your opponent all the time, not just when you feel like it. He’s either truly disrespectful before fights (and after a lot of times), or he’s just acting to sell fights. Either way, I just don’t like it.
BustedKnuckles
Footballguy
honestly im not a fan of disrespecting anyone ...but sports are as mental as they are physical...its literally part of the game ...not everyone can do it...those that are good at it will use it ...those whos personalities wont really allow it wont do it.....i can name so many fighters who use mental tactics to win fights ...i like a fighter who trains hard and entertains the fans....Roberto Duran was plain evil in the ring....before and after his fights he was hard pressed to give respect...but he is one of boxing favorite fighters because he fought like a demon and the crowd loved it....Hagler wouldnt shake an opponent's hand before a fight...ever...he disdained his opponents ...then when the fight was over it was just business...shake a hand and move on
kutta
Footballguy
I agree. I’m not saying you have to be best friends. I’ve actually come around to Nate Diaz because I believe he’s truly a punk at heart, and it’s kind of endearing. Connor just feels like it’s all an act, and it just comes off bad to me.