The Noid
Avoid me!
I think it was more of a line written for Carmella's reaction to her mentioning the "baby" and being concerned about the safety of the house.
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Wheelhouse
Footballguy
I thought he had an uzi with him and was going to open fire on those classmates.
glvsav37
Footballguy
me thinks that it was more along the lines of the opposite. I think she sees all the glitz and excess and wwants that for her and her baby. But the break up threw me....but I don't think the 2 are connected. I think the filmed the break up during the parade to point out how AJ is so Anglo and that she might be getting pressure for being with him.I hope they don't end it there...there could be a good story line in her and him.
Nipsey
Footballguy
I thought it was because she was a gold digger. She knew who he was because she did his tax/paperwork on the construction site. I think she thought he'd have a direct line to the family's money. I took her asking "for only 3 people?' about the spec house as a last ditch effort to get a piece of the money via a subtle nudging ("hey, we're 3 people too and he's your son, how about giving us that house"). She was a ##### the week before there at dinner, they didn't really say why but I guess it makes sense if she was growing impatient. When AJ proposes and gives her the spiel about being a pizza manager, that wasn't going to cut it for her. Girl that hot needs big bacon.Any chance she goes over AJ's head, takes a shot at being the bosses/dad's goomah for a share of the loot that way and then AJ finds out and goes berserk? AJ seems pretty depressed in those previews. Tony knocks her up (did he ever get snipped?) but AJ's named the father because they have the same DNA? The series ends with Tony feeding a bottle to little Juan, his new grandson (son)?
Capella
Footballguy
The series ends with Tony feeding a bottle to little Juan, his new grandson (son)?
Raider Nation
Devil's Advocate
So here's a question:
Tony begged Carmella for some cash ($200K of her $600K haul, if I followed it correctly) to put on the Jets. Are we to believe that the BOSS of Jersey has to put the money up front if he wants to bet large on a game? C'mon...
Remember during one of his sessions with Melfi -- during his "busy season" -- he took a phone call and okay'd a $50,000 bet on Duke/Wake Forest? Tony says "Sure... if he's good for it, take it." But the Don of Jersey doesn't have enough pull with a bookmaker to send in a 2-hundy-large bet on credit?
Tony begged Carmella for some cash ($200K of her $600K haul, if I followed it correctly) to put on the Jets. Are we to believe that the BOSS of Jersey has to put the money up front if he wants to bet large on a game? C'mon...
Remember during one of his sessions with Melfi -- during his "busy season" -- he took a phone call and okay'd a $50,000 bet on Duke/Wake Forest? Tony says "Sure... if he's good for it, take it." But the Don of Jersey doesn't have enough pull with a bookmaker to send in a 2-hundy-large bet on credit?
Godsbrother
Footballguy
Agreed. I remember him putting the screws to his neighbor with a gambling problem years ago. He sure seemed like a guy that would never become a gambling addict.JetsWillWin said:
Nipsey
Footballguy
They never think through the sports gambling stuff on that show. That same episode he OK's the Duke-WF bet is when Christopher gets the sportsbook from Paulie. In that episode he's watching a USC-Oregon (I think) fb game and needs USC -11. Late in the game they're all watching as USC is nursing a 12 point lead, but Oregon has the ball. Chris tells everyone not to worry as the clock is winding down but someone alerts Christopher that Oregon has an all-american kicker who proceeds to kick a FG seemingly in the last minute to cut the lead to 9 and Christopher goes ape####. Why the hells would Oregon kick a FG there? They wouldn't. You'd think someone, anyone on that set would say something. Probably 50-80 people milling directly around that set when they shoot. Not a huge deal, I know, but they always seem to drop the ball on the gambling stuff.So here's a question:Tony begged Carmella for some cash ($200K of her $600K haul, if I followed it correctly) to put on the Jets. Are we to believe that the BOSS of Jersey has to put the money up front if he wants to bet large on a game? C'mon... Remember during one of his sessions with Melfi -- during his "busy season" -- he took a phone call and okay'd a $50,000 bet on Duke/Wake Forest? Tony says "Sure... if he's good for it, take it." But the Don of Jersey doesn't have enough pull with a bookmaker to send in a 2-hundy-large bet on credit?
Raider Nation
Devil's Advocate
They aren't very detail-oriented in their gambling storylines.Remember the first Executive Card Game they showed in season 2, with Frank Sinatra Jr. and Davey Scatino? My favorite Sopranos episode ever, BTW... "The Happy Wanderer." Anyway, they showed Davey beating Sil, telling him he had a flush. Well, if you pause it when he throws his cards down, he doesn't have a flush.Sammy3469 said:
Also, in the "Tampa Bay/Buffalo" game last night. The score on the screen is 24-22, Tampa. Buffalo is driving. Bennie says "You got Buffalo, right T?" Tony says "No, the line is 3... I'll settle for the push."
Huh???
Buffalo scores a fluke TD as time expires, and they win 28-24.
In what scenario could EITHER team have won that game by exactly 3 on that last play? Yes, it's a small point which approximately 0.2% of the population likely caught, but it's sloppy writing nevertheless.
Raider Nation
Devil's Advocate
BINGO.Another great example.They never think through the sports gambling stuff on that show. That same episode he OK's the Duke-WF bet is when Christopher gets the sportsbook from Paulie. In that episode he's watching a USC-Oregon (I think) fb game and needs USC -11. Late in the game they're all watching as USC is nursing a 12 point lead, but Oregon has the ball. Chris tells everyone not to worry as the clock is winding down but someone alerts Christopher that Oregon has an all-american kicker who proceeds to kick a FG seemingly in the last minute to cut the lead to 9 and Christopher goes ape####. Why the hells would Oregon kick a FG there? They wouldn't. You'd think someone, anyone on that set would say something. Probably 50-80 people milling directly around that set when they shoot. Not a huge deal, I know, but they always seem to drop the ball on the gambling stuff.So here's a question:Tony begged Carmella for some cash ($200K of her $600K haul, if I followed it correctly) to put on the Jets. Are we to believe that the BOSS of Jersey has to put the money up front if he wants to bet large on a game? C'mon... Remember during one of his sessions with Melfi -- during his "busy season" -- he took a phone call and okay'd a $50,000 bet on Duke/Wake Forest? Tony says "Sure... if he's good for it, take it." But the Don of Jersey doesn't have enough pull with a bookmaker to send in a 2-hundy-large bet on credit?
Sammy3469
Footballguy
It's the sloppy story, combined with it coming out of nowhere, combined with the fact that someone (I'm guessing some on the NYC side of the mob, but who knows maybe it's a reputable book) is willing to take bets that large from the don of New Jersey without expecting some repercussions. I get the storyline of showing Tony out of control, showing him needing the action, etc., but it was so badly done that its hard to take it seriously...it's like if Rounders showed the wrong hands or something similar. It's those little things that really dragged that episode down since I kept trying unsuccessfully to come up with plausible explanations while the episode was going on which is escpecially egregious for a show dealing with guys who run books.They aren't very detail-oriented in their gambling storylines.Remember the first Executive Card Game they showed in season 2, with Frank Sinatra Jr. and Davey Scatino? My favorite Sopranos episode ever, BTW... "The Happy Wanderer." Anyway, they showed Davey beating Sil, telling him he had a flush. Well, if you pause it when he throws his cards down, he doesn't have a flush.Sammy3469 said:
Also, in the "Tampa Bay/Buffalo" game last night. The score on the screen is 24-22, Tampa. Buffalo is driving. Bennie says "You got Buffalo, right T?" Tony says "No, the line is 3... I'll settle for the push."
Huh???
Buffalo scores a fluke TD as time expires, and they win 28-24.
In what scenario could EITHER team have won that game by exactly 3 on that last play? Yes, it's a small point which approximately 0.2% of the population likely caught, but it's sloppy writing nevertheless.
Shrek
Having a great season
The series ends with Tony feeding a bottle to little Juan, his new grandson (son)?
Gold
Shrek
Having a great season
I caught that, too, but I didn't think it was the best line of the episode.The best two lines IMO:I thought the episdoe stunk. There are only a few episodes left man, get on with it.
The best line of the episode, IMO, was when Tony was talking to the widow about money and relocating and he says something and then chimes in, "and everything that entrails.
1) Tony (to Carlo): "Maybe you should start sucking #### instead of watching TV Land. Vito was bringing in three times what you are on the construction."
2) Phil's line to Vito, Jr: "You look like a Puerto Rican Whooah".
The Gator
Footballguy
The series ends with Tony feeding a bottle to little Juan, his new grandson (son)?
Pat Patriot
Footballguy
I just rewatched it and never saw the score on screen at 24-22. Only the final at 28-24. Still sloppy but I think they were projecting a 24-21 score prior to the last TD not realizing that if the winning TD was scored as time expired that there would be no XP. 24-21 is the only way a 3 pt spread would come into play so that is how I took it.They aren't very detail-oriented in their gambling storylines.Remember the first Executive Card Game they showed in season 2, with Frank Sinatra Jr. and Davey Scatino? My favorite Sopranos episode ever, BTW... "The Happy Wanderer." Anyway, they showed Davey beating Sil, telling him he had a flush. Well, if you pause it when he throws his cards down, he doesn't have a flush.
Also, in the "Tampa Bay/Buffalo" game last night. The score on the screen is 24-22, Tampa. Buffalo is driving. Bennie says "You got Buffalo, right T?" Tony says "No, the line is 3... I'll settle for the push."
Huh???
Buffalo scores a fluke TD as time expires, and they win 28-24.
In what scenario could EITHER team have won that game by exactly 3 on that last play? Yes, it's a small point which approximately 0.2% of the population likely caught, but it's sloppy writing nevertheless.
Raider Nation
Devil's Advocate
No offense, but do you have a 9" B&W television?The 24-22 score on the screen before the TD could not be more clear.I just rewatched it and never saw the score on screen at 24-22. Only the final at 28-24. Still sloppy but I think they were projecting a 24-21 score prior to the last TD not realizing that if the winning TD was scored as time expired that there would be no XP. 24-21 is the only way a 3 pt spread would come into play so that is how I took it.They aren't very detail-oriented in their gambling storylines.Remember the first Executive Card Game they showed in season 2, with Frank Sinatra Jr. and Davey Scatino? My favorite Sopranos episode ever, BTW... "The Happy Wanderer." Anyway, they showed Davey beating Sil, telling him he had a flush. Well, if you pause it when he throws his cards down, he doesn't have a flush.
Also, in the "Tampa Bay/Buffalo" game last night. The score on the screen is 24-22, Tampa. Buffalo is driving. Bennie says "You got Buffalo, right T?" Tony says "No, the line is 3... I'll settle for the push."
Huh???
Buffalo scores a fluke TD as time expires, and they win 28-24.
In what scenario could EITHER team have won that game by exactly 3 on that last play? Yes, it's a small point which approximately 0.2% of the population likely caught, but it's sloppy writing nevertheless.
Raider Nation
Devil's Advocate
When Hesh came to Satriale's, Tony's "The rent, the rent" comment, the "Here... I got some spare change too" comment, and his stereotypical jewey impressions were petty and uncalled for. If he didn't want to pay back the money. he shouldn't have borrowed it.
Also, I discussed earlier how Tony should have been able to bet that Jets game without putting cash up front. In fact, a man in his position should be in a no-lose situation. Remember Joe Pesci's character in Casino, Nicky Santoro? He told of a good gambling system he had. If he won his bets, he collected. If he lost, he told the bookies to go #### themselves.
Also, I discussed earlier how Tony should have been able to bet that Jets game without putting cash up front. In fact, a man in his position should be in a no-lose situation. Remember Joe Pesci's character in Casino, Nicky Santoro? He told of a good gambling system he had. If he won his bets, he collected. If he lost, he told the bookies to go #### themselves.
The Gator
Footballguy
They discussed this in the vehicle after paying Hesh his cash at his house. Tony said something to the effect, "Me? But im the boss. No, I need to settle my debts." Maybe this is all part of the personality change from the shooting.He told of a good gambling system he had. If he won his bets, he collected. If he lost, he told the bookies to go #### themselves.
Ghost Rider
Footballguy
"What are they going to do, muscle Nicky? Nicky WAS the muscle."Classic!Remember Joe Pesci's character in Casino, Nicky Santoro? He told of a good gambling system he had. If he won his bets, he collected. If he lost, he told the bookies to go #### themselves.
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Doctor Detroit
Please remove your headgear
Someone may have said this but to me this episode (and the one before it to some degree) really seems like it is guiding us to the inevitable. Tony is much less likable after he considers wacking a loyal guy in Pauly, screwing Hesh over, and treating Carmella like ###. They cover all the bases of the audience. We know the Bacala stuff is going to come back on them, that Hesh is po'd, and that money is a real issue now. Then with Phil taking over the NY family it seems to be pointing us in a direction I didn't really see coming. I thought Tony would go to jail but now I'm thinking he might go down.
I agree though that episode four wasn't very good and I don't get why Hesh's woman had to die. What was going on there? Obviously Tony wouldn't have anything to do with that because she's a civilian and his beef with Hesh didn't call for that kind of treatment. Maybe Hesh is gonna turn on Tony now? Get in bed with Phil to bring Tony down? Also guessing the only reason that Vito Jr stuff is in there is to bring conflict between Tony and Phil. Some big war to end the show seems likely so it should get markedly better from here forward.
I agree though that episode four wasn't very good and I don't get why Hesh's woman had to die. What was going on there? Obviously Tony wouldn't have anything to do with that because she's a civilian and his beef with Hesh didn't call for that kind of treatment. Maybe Hesh is gonna turn on Tony now? Get in bed with Phil to bring Tony down? Also guessing the only reason that Vito Jr stuff is in there is to bring conflict between Tony and Phil. Some big war to end the show seems likely so it should get markedly better from here forward.
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Doctor Detroit
Please remove your headgear
Here's your three grand in a shopping bag Hesh. It's all in ones and I padded the bottom of the bag with bricks so it wouldn't tip over.
TexanFan02
Footballguy
We can only hope. Maybe all of the alienation Tony is doing with his crew will be solved by them coming together for a war. Of course, I've been waiting for this for the whole series, so I'm not holding my breath. I just hope they shoot some people before it's all over. It is the Mob, and not a soap opera, after all.
The Juggernaut
The Man. The Myth
It also gave us a glimpse of the father figure that Tony had. When both Phil and Tony were talking to Vito Jr., couldn't you picture Tony's father talking to him? Hell he even said something along the lines of, "Look what you're doing to your mother.", to drag Livia into it.And in that vane, it gives us a glimpse into what the gambling plot is really about. Tony's rebellion against his father. One of Tony's early memories of this dad, and the reason he has anxiety attacks, was seeing his father muscle a gambler. That's when his dad told him to never be a gambler....I see his bets as a defiance to that and "the life".
Wooderson
Fight The Power
Did it really surprise you that Tony would act this way?
avoiding injuries
Footballguy
I've been saying it has to pick up for 2 seasons because it's coming to an end. We'll see if they come through with this one.Someone mentioned they thought AJ was going to kill someone. Can you imagine if it is written correctly how awesome they could make it and the posts we would have in this thread appologizing for ever doubting the show and it's writers. Please, please, please let them come through with a GREAT ending!!!
Leeroy Jenkins
Footballguy
If the downfall of Tony Soprano ends up being a gambling problem, I will regret the years of my life invested in watching this show.
That being said, Tony doesnt have a gambling problem. Tony has a happiness problem. This has been a main theme throughout the series. When things are going well, he inevitably has to do something to #### it up or make things more difficult. While Carlo isnt earning like Vito was, Tony was just saying a few episodes ago (and earlier last season which is actually still this season) how things were going so well for them. While he has been on a "losing streak" when he was up this past weekend, he let it ride to inevitably lose. Tony isnt dumb, he knows the odds. Tony always needs something to complain about (like his mother).
That being said, Tony doesnt have a gambling problem. Tony has a happiness problem. This has been a main theme throughout the series. When things are going well, he inevitably has to do something to #### it up or make things more difficult. While Carlo isnt earning like Vito was, Tony was just saying a few episodes ago (and earlier last season which is actually still this season) how things were going so well for them. While he has been on a "losing streak" when he was up this past weekend, he let it ride to inevitably lose. Tony isnt dumb, he knows the odds. Tony always needs something to complain about (like his mother).
PC Load Letter
Irregardless.
Wheelhouse
Footballguy
Didn't Tony have a dream of being chased down the street by a mob of people? Might that be foreshadowing leading to his demise? Am I remembering that dream correctly?
Marc Levin
Hangs out with Oscar Zeta Acosta
Or banding together under a new leader who doesn't alienate them and New York."Et, Tu, Silvio?" As the knife is plunged in.
Marc Levin
Hangs out with Oscar Zeta Acosta
Marc Levin
Hangs out with Oscar Zeta Acosta
pricklypete
Footballguy
I think we saw last year that Sylvio isn't boss material.Was having asthma and panic attacks a few days in when Tony was in a coma.
So I went back and searched in the Season 6 thread and found two of my predictions:
Tiger Fan said:Great episode.I'm in the camp of Tony realizing how important his family is.....but this won't happen until AJ tries to do something stupid (i.e. kill Jr.).....it will hit Tony that he dosn't want AJ to get into the same crap that he did.I'm not saying that he will run to the feds, but I can see him giving it all up.I'm probably wrong though
I still think that both of these are possible....but I doubt it will be Christopher as he's so entrailed in the movie thing.Tiger Fan said:
Marc Levin
Hangs out with Oscar Zeta Acosta
And Brutus did not become Caeser.Your point is?
Marc Levin
Hangs out with Oscar Zeta Acosta
but I doubt it will be Christopher as he's so entrailed in the movie thing.
(thought that is improper use of BOTH "entrail" and "entail" - maybe you meant entrailed instead of embroiled?)
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pricklypete
Footballguy
Settle down big fella.My point is that Syl doesn't want anything to do with being the boss.He said himself that he is better suited behind the scenes.Even if Syl himself does not want the job (which he doesn't), there is not one person that he would side with if Tony were to be taken out.There is not one viable canidate to take the job from Tony, much less one that would have the support of Syl.entrailed was fresh in my mind after reading the other post i guessbut I doubt it will be Christopher as he's so entrailed in the movie thing.
Wheelhouse
Footballguy
I still think there is still more to be determined with those middle-eastern guys that Tony knows from the Bing. He saw them again in the last episode. What ties will become evident in the next few episodes involving them? It's got to be something, otherwise they wouldn't keep having them in scenes. Thoughts?
pricklypete
Footballguy
I agree. I don't know how plausible it would be that Tony could wriggle his way out of a RICO trial by cooperating with the Feds in anti-terrorism, but you have to think the story line has to go somewhere (but who knows).In today's world, perhaps the Government is more concerned with terrorism than organized crime.
Doctor Detroit
Please remove your headgear
Good call. I thought about that also.
Doctor Detroit
Please remove your headgear
No doubt. I think this line of thinking is going some place in the script. If it doesn't, it must have been filler that was used for a potential change in endings or to throw idiots like us off the scent.I agree. I don't know how plausible it would be that Tony could wriggle his way out of a RICO trial by cooperating with the Feds in anti-terrorism, but you have to think the story line has to go somewhere (but who knows).In today's world, perhaps the Government is more concerned with terrorism than organized crime.
zamboni
Footballguy
That's my major take on this season - the decline of his historically solid relationships with many of his closest confidants. I suspect there will be something happening with Silvio, who as with Hesh before this week, has never really had any kind of rift. For those expecting some kind of gang warfare/mass killings by the end, they may come away disappointed.
Raider Nation
Devil's Advocate
Act that way? No. Act that way towards Hesh? Yes.
Hesh has his faults, but he's always been there for Tony and Johnny Boy.
Wooderson
Fight The Power
Yeah I took it as Tony becoming more desperate with his whole situation.
The Juggernaut
The Man. The Myth
Anyone else get the "Blanca's pregnant" vibe over the past 2 episodes? Right up until she handed AJ his stuff a the parade, I figured we were going to see it.
I did as well. I still think AJ is going to end up getting involved in the family business somehow. I doubt he will be picking up extra shifts at the pizza joint for much longer.
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riverrat
Footballguy
So far this season has been about individual change, or at least a change in our perception of individuals. Bobby has gone from a joke who got robbed to a tough guy. Janice is a family girl. Tony is no longer likeable, is gambling out of control, etc. Paulie is talking too much because he's reaching out for an extended family. Junior is a whimp who wets himself and gets beat down. Chris, the perfect gangster, is turning legit.
Now, AJ might finaly find some guts and stand on his own two feet. Let's say AJ gets tough, maybe kills Phil (perhaps for whacking Tony). Great finale, and, in two years, a new series about AJ's rise to the head of the family, and his sister Meadow, who finished law school and is the FBI Agent out to bring him down.
Now, AJ might finaly find some guts and stand on his own two feet. Let's say AJ gets tough, maybe kills Phil (perhaps for whacking Tony). Great finale, and, in two years, a new series about AJ's rise to the head of the family, and his sister Meadow, who finished law school and is the FBI Agent out to bring him down.
pricklypete
Footballguy
If Chase keeps the trend that he has throughout the season, I think this will just lead to another personal conflict with Tony.I'm guessing she can't stand the family, which in turn creates animosity between AJ and T. Whatever the reason, I think this is the point that will cause a rift between Tony and AJ. How it happens is anyone's guess.I would have a very hard time seeing AJ become some sort of tough guy or mobster. He's a wuss (bribing the punks with his bike, giggling like a friggin girl on the computer, etc.). He wouldn't last 5 minutes in a life of crime.QUEZILLA said:
regularguy
Footballguy
ONLY if they get a new actor for AJ and keep Meadow the same. Is it just me or is she looking hotter this year? I wasn't sure that was possible.riverrat said:
