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Look, this series has just gone way downhill in terms of plot, character development, writing, and so on and so forth. To blindly praise the series just becaue it's "The Sopranos," in my eyes, is a little ridiculous and juvenile. This show used to be far better than it is now. If you disagree, fine. Enjoy the last few episodes. The rest of us will stick with our DVDs of the first few seasons.

The show has gone through several changes and transformations regarding how it's content, how its presented, interpreted, etc. We see similarities with music groups that have withstood the test of time. Bands like Metallica or Rush aren't anything like they used to be, but we still enjoy them, maybe moreso than before? I see the same with this show.
Possibly, I suppose, but there are still those of us who think bands like Metallica or Rush are but a shadow of their former selves. For those who are still impressed, I sincerely envy you.
boy, you really want to make this thread about you dontcha.

we get it, you didn't like it. run along to the "kings of queens" thread now and discuss all the deep developments going on there.

point is, the 2nd-3rd most major character died tonight, and with all the other stuff going on, that's far more interesting to me and most of us than your feelings on how the show has transpired since season 2.

I really don't understand the reasoning behind your semi-veiled personal attacks. I agree that Chris was one of the most important characters on the show. That much is obvious. What I am disappointed with is the (what I perceive to be) cheap way in which he died. You apparently loved this week's show - and good for you. I'm glad you were satisfied with it. Maybe it provided closure for you. But I didn't happen to like it.

And why you seem to take my opinion personally, I don't know. Sorry if I've offended you by not giving this episode (and the past season or two) the high praise you have. I just don't think it has lived up to the high expectations it set for itself in the first few seasons.

Maybe it's unfair that I hold it to that level - I don't know. I'm just happy that you love the show. No need to get upset with me just because you like the show more than I do.

I didn't think it was a cheap way to die. Tony looked Chris eye to eye and calmly suffocated him. It was a deliberate and evil act. A cheap death would've been Tony or Pauly shooting him in a moment of rage.

In a couple years people will watch re-runs or their DVD's of the final season and realize how great the episodes are. The story might not be going in the direction that some people want, but the writing is as good as it's ever been.

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I really enjoyed this last week's episode. The look in Christopher's eyes as Tony was finishing him off made the whole thing even more disturbing.

Plus that brunette in vegas is just hot hot HOT! What more do you need out of an hour?

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I go back to the epsiode 2 weeks ago, the bbq at Chris's house where Chris tells Tony that his father died a junkie. He said something like "he pretty much died with needle in his arm" or something like that. Tony seemed surprised by that comment, he had no idea his mentor was using???

Flash forward to last night's episode. I found it interesting that Chris pretty much died the way his father did, as a junkie. The father with herion and Chris with Coke in his system. Tony seemed to want to make sure everyone new he had coke in his system in a passive agressive way. Chris will be remember for dying in a car accident with coke in his blood. Will Chris's daughter resent him the way Chris resented his father? Did Tony have something to do with his father's death? Maybe Chris's father wasnt a herion junkie, but it was made to look like it. If his father was around, Chris might have lead a different path in life. Will his daughter grow up hating him even though he loved her more than anything?

I found a lot of meaning in those couple of things

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AJ crying to his shrink about why can't we all get along - what do you make of that? Is he thinking he needs to step in on his friends and not let them do the things they do - that he needs to take a stand (just like his father) or is it something else? If so, what?

I laughed my butt off at the Rodney King reference there. AJ is most definitely heading towards hooliganism and Tony would be proud as heck if he fell in with those college boys - he pushed AJ that way when he was depressed last week.Awesome episode, IMO. The last two episodes have been the best Sopranos of the last 18 months. The last 20 minutes were a bit uneven, but the trip at the end was :confused:Re: the lights, there may be some allusion to the Finnerty thing, but I think it is just that Chase knows how people act when they are tripping.Re: "I did it!!" - Was that a confession re: Chris? Was that him yelling that he got his good luck back? Or was that a Rocky-like moment?
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The rest of the series needs to be major action to hold my attention.

Then you're watching the wrong show, and you have been for years now.
After 80 episodes, protagonist #1 kills protagonist #2. That's how I am going to remember this show.
Tony told him he'd kill him if he got back on drugs - he was back on drugs.That's like being bummed about them having to kill Big P.Chris had to die once he got back on the sauce and back on the junk.
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AJ crying to his shrink about why can't we all get along - what do you make of that? Is he thinking he needs to step in on his friends and not let them do the things they do - that he needs to take a stand (just like his father) or is it something else? If so, what?

Bipolar?
Really? I don't see that. He's going to class, he's listening in class - he's making a life change here, IMO.
Yeah - towards the college-age connected thugs, not towards improving his life.
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Not judging anyone but why don't some of you guys Tivo the daytime soaps? It's the non-stop action you're craving. Hot chicks, couples cheating on each other, murders, crime, people coming back from the dead like 10 years later, the tomfoolery just goes on and on and on. Seems like it's be right up your alley and as an added bonus you get an episode every weekday. I'm serious. Would take a few weeks to figure out all the characters/situations, but once you do you'd probably love it. :confused:

:fishing:For the third time since Saturday, I will say GB Nipsey.
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Look, this series has just gone way downhill in terms of plot, character development, writing, and so on and so forth. To blindly praise the series just becaue it's "The Sopranos," in my eyes, is a little ridiculous and juvenile. This show used to be far better than it is now. If you disagree, fine. Enjoy the last few episodes. The rest of us will stick with our DVDs of the first few seasons.

To be fair, and to address your points directly and honestly, I think the show's writing and character develoipment has improved remarkably. Every character seems to be very deep (a gay mobster? a crying, dying imprisoned boss? a former jailbird and cousin (Tony B) screwing up Tony S' action? That is GREAT character development - way better than the "mobster gets busted with heroin and flips" and "old school gangster is an ###" from seasons 1-3)As to the writing, it is geared towards Tony's head, not introducing you to mob-type action. And I completely understand why you dislike it b/c the show is now nothing like it was in seasons 1-3. But, it is not worse writing - it is way better. It is tougher concepts to write about, too.Anyway, that is this fan's perspective. YMMV.
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More I think about it, I don't think Tony dies. They took away his main antagonist tonight. Maybe Carm will divorce him, e unexpectedly, one or two of his other guys die and he's just left to lead an empty, miserable, hate-filled paranoid self-involved, thinking about noone but himself, exactly the way he wants it life.

That's a worst sentence than death.

:corrected: for how I think it'd go in that sitch.
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I think Chase was looking for the "what a shame" reaction with Chris' death.

:confused: Since this show is about Tony, not about Chris, Chris dying in a "what a shame" way reflects how Tony feels about Chris.What a shame that he couldn't live up to what Tony wanted him to live up to - they spent a TON of time on that very issue as Tony talked about Chris death/killing him - that thought is most especially reflected in the dream sequence with Melfi.
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Tony a goner? - Foxnews.com thinks so... link

Sunday night, Tony Soprano killed his nephew, surrogate son and loyal aide, Christopher Moltisanti. The murder, which came after the pair survived a car crash, was as shocking as anything that 'The Sopranos' creator David Chase has ever come up with.

To top it off, the crash was timed during the same Pink Floyd song Tony, played by James Gandolfini, was singing aloud last week. “Comfortably Numb.” The last line heard before the pair’s SUV hits an oncoming car is "the child is grown, the dream is gone.”

No matter that it’s a car crash, with three girls in the oncoming car. One of them is named Kennedy. That’s just a Chase aside.

With three episodes left, 'The Sopranos' is headed now to a significantly bad ending. Tony’s main ally in the New York mob, Johnny Sack, is gone. Now Tony has murdered his chief lieutenant, Christopher, in cold blood and for no reason other than paranoia. There is still talk of what happened to Christopher’s dead fiancée Adriana, whom Tony also murdered.

Is Tony Soprano comfortably numb? Does he know his days are numbered? It would seem so. We left him last night with a stripper, high on peyote in Las Vegas where he’s continued on a gambling spree. He raises his hands to the cosmos and shouts, “I get it.”

If he really does, then he’s a goner. And that’s what he knows. The dream is over.

Of course, Christopher, played by Michael Imperioli, was no saint. Last week he murdered his friend in cold blood, shooting him dead. He was a drug addict, and a killer, as well as being a petty crook and a sociopath.

But Christopher will be mourned as 'The Sopranos' winds down to what looks to be a Götterdämmerung for Tony and his beloved but deeply disturbed world.

The factual errors cause me to reject everything this guy said.
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I agree - AJ is clueless - you need someone with knowledge if you're going to flip someone - I thought Chris was the guy to flip before last night. Can't see Paulie doing it so not sure if that angle will be played out. Still think it will end in War with Phil - the laughing and lack of respect from the NY is getting out of control.

Tony considered killing Paulie two weeks ago. He has now taken a direct shot at all of the closest people in his life (including his real family) except Silvio.
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I agree - AJ is clueless - you need someone with knowledge if you're going to flip someone - I thought Chris was the guy to flip before last night. Can't see Paulie doing it so not sure if that angle will be played out.

I think we've probably run out of time for someone to flip and for that to play out. Now, I suppose it's possible that there's been a major rat for awhile that we haven't known about, but that would be a surprise.
There is - Raidernation? What ever happened to the other guy who was giving information to the feds at the beginning of this past season (when that guy who was a rat hung himself). There is another rat in Tony's house.With Carlo being absent from Tony's bedside, he's my bet.
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I figured it out...Anthony Jr continues to get mixed up with those guys running the college book. Eventually someone is gonna get shot for a debt, Anthony is gonna try and stop it (can't everyone just get along?) and will end up taking the bullet.

impossible - would require AJ to, A, take quick action and, 2, do the right thing.
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I agree - AJ is clueless - you need someone with knowledge if you're going to flip someone - I thought Chris was the guy to flip before last night. Can't see Paulie doing it so not sure if that angle will be played out. Still think it will end in War with Phil - the laughing and lack of respect from the NY is getting out of control.

Tony considered killing Paulie two weeks ago. He has now taken a direct shot at all of the closest people in his life (including his real family) except Silvio.
its almost as if Tony knows there are only 3 episodes left. :yes:
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I figured it out...

Anthony Jr continues to get mixed up with those guys running the college book. Eventually someone is gonna get shot for a debt, Anthony is gonna try and stop it (can't everyone just get along?) and will end up taking the bullet.

impossible - would require AJ to, A, take quick action and, 2, do the right thing.
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There is - Raidernation? What ever happened to the other guy who was giving information to the feds at the beginning of this past season (when that guy who was a rat hung himself). There is another rat in Tony's house.

Ray Curto died while ratting to an FBI agent in a car. Far as we know, there are no rats left.
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There is - Raidernation? What ever happened to the other guy who was giving information to the feds at the beginning of this past season (when that guy who was a rat hung himself). There is another rat in Tony's house.

Ray Curto died while ratting to an FBI agent in a car. Far as we know, there are no rats left.
T/Y - I remember that now - heart attack or stroke or something, right?ETA - as I mentioned in another of my 10-in-a-row, I think Carlo is a rat, which explains his absence from Tony's bedside. He also could be snagged by the NYC crew for his involvement in killing that NYC guy who was making fun of Vito's death.
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AJ crying to his shrink about why can't we all get along - what do you make of that? Is he thinking he needs to step in on his friends and not let them do the things they do - that he needs to take a stand (just like his father) or is it something else? If so, what?

AJ is most definitely heading towards hooliganism and Tony would be proud as heck if he fell in with those college boys - he pushed AJ that way when he was depressed last week.
I disagree in a big way. He "pushed him" to hang out with some kids his own age in order to forget about Blanca. He would be PISSED if he knew A.J. was involved with kids who are into the stuff they are -- the violence and whatnot. He thought Carlo's and Pat's kids were merely harmless campus bookies from whom he receives fat envelopes once a week. If he knew about the other activities, he wouldn't be pleased.

Tony despises when A.J. acts like a fhag... such as sitting in front of the computer "giggling like a school girl" or when he lays in bed pining over his lost girlfriend. But he made it clear to Melfi quite often that he never wanted the life for his kid. Jackie Aprile felt the same way about Jackie Jr. also.

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AJ crying to his shrink about why can't we all get along - what do you make of that? Is he thinking he needs to step in on his friends and not let them do the things they do - that he needs to take a stand (just like his father) or is it something else? If so, what?

AJ is most definitely heading towards hooliganism and Tony would be proud as heck if he fell in with those college boys - he pushed AJ that way when he was depressed last week.
I disagree in a big way. He "pushed him" to hang out with some kids his own age in order to forget about Blanca. He would be PISSED if he knew A.J. was involved with kids who are into the stuff they are -- the violence and whatnot. He thought Carlo's and Pat's kids were merely harmless campus bookies from whom he receives fat envelopes once a week. If he knew about the other activities, he wouldn't be pleased.

Tony despises when A.J. acts like a fhag... such as sitting in front of the computer "giggling like a school girl" or when he lays in bed pining over his lost girlfriend. But he made it clear to Melfi quite often that he never wanted the life for his kid. Jackie Aprile felt the same way about Jackie Jr. also.

RNation, re-watch that episode. He started pushing AJ towards those kids well after he knew they were engaging in youthful "family" activity. Remember his conversation with Carlo before he sat down with them at the bing? While I agree that, in the PAST, Tony consciously wanted AJ to succeed outside of crime and he consciously expressed to Melfi that AJ is not cut out for Tony's kind of life, I also think he has not been his "conscious" self from those seasons in this season.

He actively pushed AJ towards kids he knows are doing "wrong" things and he lied to those kids about how AJ was doing so that they would have AJ hang out with them. He said that thing about AJ hanging out with kids his own age to defend himself when Carmela gave him crap about sending AJ to a party at the strip club.

ETA - re: kids giving him fat envelopes as bookies, Tony is NOT stupid. I am sure he knows violence goes on during collecting. I thought Carlo even said that the campuses were the new training ground for "family" activiities.

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AJ crying to his shrink about why can't we all get along - what do you make of that? Is he thinking he needs to step in on his friends and not let them do the things they do - that he needs to take a stand (just like his father) or is it something else? If so, what?

AJ is most definitely heading towards hooliganism and Tony would be proud as heck if he fell in with those college boys - he pushed AJ that way when he was depressed last week.
I disagree in a big way. He "pushed him" to hang out with some kids his own age in order to forget about Blanca. He would be PISSED if he knew A.J. was involved with kids who are into the stuff they are -- the violence and whatnot. He thought Carlo's and Pat's kids were merely harmless campus bookies from whom he receives fat envelopes once a week. If he knew about the other activities, he wouldn't be pleased.

Tony despises when A.J. acts like a fhag... such as sitting in front of the computer "giggling like a school girl" or when he lays in bed pining over his lost girlfriend. But he made it clear to Melfi quite often that he never wanted the life for his kid. Jackie Aprile felt the same way about Jackie Jr. also.

RNation, re-watch that episode. He started pushing AJ towards those kids well after he knew they were engaging in youthful "family" activity. Remember his conversation with Carlo before he sat down with them at the bing?
I'm *officially* :confused:

Just watched the scene again in the Bing, at your behest. The only conversation between Tony and Carlo involved the latter expressing his misery over tooth pain. And all Patsi mentioned to Tony (besides them running the campus sportsbook successfully) was how smart his kid was, and how proud of him he is as a father. "The stuff this kid knows about computers --- he set up a website for his mother's ceramic business."

You could see the wheels spinning in T's head. He thought these were good, smart kids. He merely wanted some of that to rub off on A.J. Now I would ask you to go back and watch the scene again, and let me know if I missed something.

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AJ crying to his shrink about why can't we all get along - what do you make of that? Is he thinking he needs to step in on his friends and not let them do the things they do - that he needs to take a stand (just like his father) or is it something else? If so, what?

AJ is most definitely heading towards hooliganism and Tony would be proud as heck if he fell in with those college boys - he pushed AJ that way when he was depressed last week.
I disagree in a big way. He "pushed him" to hang out with some kids his own age in order to forget about Blanca. He would be PISSED if he knew A.J. was involved with kids who are into the stuff they are -- the violence and whatnot. He thought Carlo's and Pat's kids were merely harmless campus bookies from whom he receives fat envelopes once a week. If he knew about the other activities, he wouldn't be pleased.

Tony despises when A.J. acts like a fhag... such as sitting in front of the computer "giggling like a school girl" or when he lays in bed pining over his lost girlfriend. But he made it clear to Melfi quite often that he never wanted the life for his kid. Jackie Aprile felt the same way about Jackie Jr. also.

RNation, re-watch that episode. He started pushing AJ towards those kids well after he knew they were engaging in youthful "family" activity. Remember his conversation with Carlo before he sat down with them at the bing?
I'm *officially* :confused:

Just watched the scene again in the Bing, at your behest. The only conversation between Tony and Carlo involved the latter expressing his misery over tooth pain. And all Patsi mentioned to Tony (besides them running the campus sportsbook successfully) was how smart his kid was, and how proud of him he is as a father. "The stuff this kid knows about computers --- he set up a website for his mother's ceramic business."

You could see the wheels spinning in T's head. He thought these were good, smart kids. He merely wanted some of that to rub off on A.J. Now I would ask you to go back and watch the scene again, and let me know if I missed something.

Maybe when he talked to them about it?

I definitely came away with the impression that Tony knew exactly what these kids were all about.

But now that you mention it, it would make a lot more sense in re: Tony's head if he didn't know that he pushed AJ into the mob life. Just like that weed commercial from a decade or more ago:

Father: "Where'd you learn this?"

Silence

Father: "Tell me! Where'd you learn about this!!"

Son: "From you! Allright, Dad? From you!"

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I haven't said it out loud. This is just my opinion. I believe if Tony dies, big IF, then Carmella pulls the trigger. Domestic violence being the motive. AJ will most certainly be involved. Carmella hasn't had much attention this year. I expect some heavy devotion to the character during the final three eppy's.

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In regard to Tony shouting "I get it" at the end:

It could mean nothing. People that do high powered hallucinogens like Peyote sometimes have moments of complete clarity, where they feel like they understand the answers to all of life's problems. It's like a revalation.

Except when they come down, they don't remember it.

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In regard to Tony shouting "I get it" at the end:It could mean nothing. People that do high powered hallucinogens like Peyote sometimes have moments of complete clarity, where they feel like they understand the answers to all of life's problems. It's like a revalation. Except when they come down, they don't remember it.

AKA an impossible to retain epiphany. When those synapses are all firing at once, lots of fun stuff can happen.For me, those days died even before Jerry did, but I remember them well.
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I see Paulie as the guy Tony should have whacked when he had the chance and not Christopher. Paulie's pissed off and motherless. Recipe for disaster. Tony had the inclination to take him out a few episodes back and Beansie talked him down a bit. If He whacks Paulie then, Christopher doesn't relapse and in all likelihood is still alive.

Also, during the "real" Melfi scene this week, Tony talks of his help to Christopher in dealing with Adriana and says something like "wives, girlfriends can complicate things", only Adriana was only a girlfriend and not his wife. Seemed like a famous Soprano Freudian slip to me. Watch out Carmela. Carmela always looking at new places to live as well (the laptop site when Tony calls with news of Christopher's death).

Tony's "he's dead" in the casino I felt was not citing Christopher but part of Tony himself. Incredible episode IMO. So much going on internally in Tony's scenes. Love the way all of his indifference to both deaths was interpreted. I wonder what "it" is he "get"s and how that's going to effect everyone else. IMO No way he's still boss after the show is done.

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I see Paulie as the guy Tony should have whacked when he had the chance and not Christopher. Paulie's pissed off and motherless. Recipe for disaster. Tony had the inclination to take him out a few episodes back and Beansie talked him down a bit. If He whacks Paulie then, Christopher doesn't relapse and in all likelihood is still alive.Also, during the "real" Melfi scene this week, Tony talks of his help to Christopher in dealing with Adriana and says something like "wives, girlfriends can complicate things", only Adriana was only a girlfriend and not his wife. Seemed like a famous Soprano Freudian slip to me. Watch out Carmela. Carmela always looking at new places to live as well (the laptop site when Tony calls with news of Christopher's death). Tony's "he's dead" in the casino I felt was not citing Christopher but part of Tony himself. Incredible episode IMO. So much going on internally in Tony's scenes. Love the way all of his indifference to both deaths was interpreted. I wonder what "it" is he "get"s and how that's going to effect everyone else. IMO No way he's still boss after the show is done.

The thing is, Chris would be a risk to relapse at some point and thus a greater detriment to Tony than Paulie ever would be. Paulie doesn't have the nuts to challenge Tony and T knows it.I guess now with Chris gone, the main focus will likely turn to Tony and Carm. That's not a bad thing, they're both sensational actors and I'm sure they'll have something really good to work with here. Edited by Capella
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I see Paulie as the guy Tony should have whacked when he had the chance and not Christopher. Paulie's pissed off and motherless. Recipe for disaster. Tony had the inclination to take him out a few episodes back and Beansie talked him down a bit. If He whacks Paulie then, Christopher doesn't relapse and in all likelihood is still alive.Also, during the "real" Melfi scene this week, Tony talks of his help to Christopher in dealing with Adriana and says something like "wives, girlfriends can complicate things", only Adriana was only a girlfriend and not his wife. Seemed like a famous Soprano Freudian slip to me. Watch out Carmela. Carmela always looking at new places to live as well (the laptop site when Tony calls with news of Christopher's death). Tony's "he's dead" in the casino I felt was not citing Christopher but part of Tony himself. Incredible episode IMO. So much going on internally in Tony's scenes. Love the way all of his indifference to both deaths was interpreted. I wonder what "it" is he "get"s and how that's going to effect everyone else. IMO No way he's still boss after the show is done.

The thing is, Chris would be a risk to relapse at some point and thus a greater detriment to Tony than Paulie ever would be. Paulie doesn't have the nuts to challenge Tony and T knows it.I guess now with Chris gone, the main focus will likely turn to Tony and Carm. That's not a bad thing, they're both sensational actors and I'm sure they'll have something really good to work with here.
Paulie was flirting with the idea of lining up with Johnny Sac years ago. Chris would rather see his fiancee killed then turn his back on Tony. Tony has a shot to kill them both and chooses Chris. Now Paulie has no family and his mafia family (in his old-school eyes) just slapped him in the face. I don't know what's going to happen but I think Paulie's going to have some say in what goes down. Who knows.
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I see Paulie as the guy Tony should have whacked when he had the chance and not Christopher. Paulie's pissed off and motherless. Recipe for disaster. Tony had the inclination to take him out a few episodes back and Beansie talked him down a bit. If He whacks Paulie then, Christopher doesn't relapse and in all likelihood is still alive.Also, during the "real" Melfi scene this week, Tony talks of his help to Christopher in dealing with Adriana and says something like "wives, girlfriends can complicate things", only Adriana was only a girlfriend and not his wife. Seemed like a famous Soprano Freudian slip to me. Watch out Carmela. Carmela always looking at new places to live as well (the laptop site when Tony calls with news of Christopher's death). Tony's "he's dead" in the casino I felt was not citing Christopher but part of Tony himself. Incredible episode IMO. So much going on internally in Tony's scenes. Love the way all of his indifference to both deaths was interpreted. I wonder what "it" is he "get"s and how that's going to effect everyone else. IMO No way he's still boss after the show is done.

The thing is, Chris would be a risk to relapse at some point and thus a greater detriment to Tony than Paulie ever would be. Paulie doesn't have the nuts to challenge Tony and T knows it.I guess now with Chris gone, the main focus will likely turn to Tony and Carm. That's not a bad thing, they're both sensational actors and I'm sure they'll have something really good to work with here.
Paulie was flirting with the idea of lining up with Johnny Sac years ago. Chris would rather see his fiancee killed then turn his back on Tony. Tony has a shot to kill them both and chooses Chris. Now Paulie has no family and his mafia family (in his old-school eyes) just slapped him in the face. I don't know what's going to happen but I think Paulie's going to have some say in what goes down. Who knows.
maybe, but I don't think he has it in him. it would be a turn in his character to stand up to tony. he even openly questioned it in his own dreams a few episodes ago. he's just a soldier in line. he'll go down with the ship.
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Before the accident, Tony begins to ask Chris "at the party the other week...". At that party, Chris trashed his father for being an addict and having passed that on to his son. Chris' dad was also Tony's "hero". In Melfi's office, Tony broke down about passing his degenerate gene (depression) to his son. Perhaps Tony killing Christopher was an effort to break a cycle, hence the references to the baby seat in the back.

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Before the accident, Tony begins to ask Chris "at the party the other week...". At that party, Chris trashed his father for being an addict and having passed that on to his son. Chris' dad was also Tony's "hero". In Melfi's office, Tony broke down about passing his degenerate gene (depression) to his son. Perhaps Tony killing Christopher was an effort to break a cycle, hence the references to the baby seat in the back.

Christopher's baby daughter is alive, so that wouldn't really break the cycle would it? He passed his genes to her. Tony pretty much told Dr. Melphi why he killed Christopher, when he said Christopher was a weak junkie, and that was the type of person that would turn him in to the FBI.
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It was a great juxtaposition of lyrics and visual when the line from "Comfortably Numb" ...

"The child has grown, the dream is gone"

Was playing and Tony was looking at Christopher. That was very well done.

Agreed.

Being a music nerd, I was wondering why they used Roger Waters' live version from Berlin, rather than the PF studio version. Maybe it was a rights issue, or could be The Departed tie-in mentioned earlier by Tremendous Upside.

As an aside, Paulie always has some of the best lines: "for ####'s sake".

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About how much did Tony make at the Casino in roulette while high on peyote?

BOALTOADS...on a serious note, did anyone else take Tony bagging the girl and winning all that money on roulette as him coming to the conclusion that he did the right thing in killing Chris and that his luck is changing?
I thought about that trip to Vegas as a case of Tony living Chris' life -- smoking dope, bang**g C's hooker, etc. "Ironic" doesn't quite do it. Edited by Leo Scanlon
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There was another unmistakable (though perhaps easily missed) lighthouse beacon reference.

When Tony puts his hand over Christopher's nose and mouth, Christopher starts choking. Just as Tony is about to finish the deed, a car goes around the curve on the embankment above them. Tony looks up, obviously wondering if someone will catch him in the act. Of course, the car keeps going and he finishes killing Christopher. There is a cutaway to the car's headlights sweeping from left to right, and it looks exactly like the sweeping beacon of a lighthouse. I'm sure that wasn't by accident.

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AJ crying to his shrink about why can't we all get along - what do you make of that? Is he thinking he needs to step in on his friends and not let them do the things they do - that he needs to take a stand (just like his father) or is it something else? If so, what?

AJ is most definitely heading towards hooliganism and Tony would be proud as heck if he fell in with those college boys - he pushed AJ that way when he was depressed last week.
I disagree in a big way. He "pushed him" to hang out with some kids his own age in order to forget about Blanca. He would be PISSED if he knew A.J. was involved with kids who are into the stuff they are -- the violence and whatnot. He thought Carlo's and Pat's kids were merely harmless campus bookies from whom he receives fat envelopes once a week. If he knew about the other activities, he wouldn't be pleased.

Tony despises when A.J. acts like a fhag... such as sitting in front of the computer "giggling like a school girl" or when he lays in bed pining over his lost girlfriend. But he made it clear to Melfi quite often that he never wanted the life for his kid. Jackie Aprile felt the same way about Jackie Jr. also.

I know what you are saying and Tony has said many times that A.J. shouldn't be in the life and that he isn't cut out for it.

But do you not think that there is some part of Tony that wants A.J. to follow in his footsteps? He wants him to be a tough. Maybe he says he doesn't want it for him because he knows that A.J. is incapable. And we know that it bothers Tony that his son is not tougher, for which he has often blamed Carmela. It is hard for me to believe that Tony would derive no happiness from A.J. following him, even though he may believe that on a more rational level.

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There was another unmistakable (though perhaps easily missed) lighthouse beacon reference.When Tony puts his hand over Christopher's nose and mouth, Christopher starts choking. Just as Tony is about to finish the deed, a car goes around the curve on the embankment above them. Tony looks up, obviously wondering if someone will catch him in the act. Of course, the car keeps going and he finishes killing Christopher. There is a cutaway to the car's headlights sweeping from left to right, and it looks exactly like the sweeping beacon of a lighthouse. I'm sure that wasn't by accident.

I noticed that too. I interpereted that as the beacon calling for Chris. Either that or the searchlight of heaven looking for Chris and the light never found him.
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