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Barry said:
I really enjoyed this last week's episode. The look in Christopher's eyes as Tony was finishing him off made the whole thing even more disturbing.
I laughed my butt off at the Rodney King reference there. AJ is most definitely heading towards hooliganism and Tony would be proud as heck if he fell in with those college boys - he pushed AJ that way when he was depressed last week.Awesome episode, IMO. The last two episodes have been the best Sopranos of the last 18 months. The last 20 minutes were a bit uneven, but the trip at the end was
Re: the lights, there may be some allusion to the Finnerty thing, but I think it is just that Chase knows how people act when they are tripping.Re: "I did it!!" - Was that a confession re: Chris? Was that him yelling that he got his good luck back? Or was that a Rocky-like moment?
Tony told him he'd kill him if he got back on drugs - he was back on drugs.That's like being bummed about them having to kill Big P.Chris had to die once he got back on the sauce and back on the junk.
Yeah - towards the college-age connected thugs, not towards improving his life.
Nipsey said:Not judging anyone but why don't some of you guys Tivo the daytime soaps? It's the non-stop action you're craving. Hot chicks, couples cheating on each other, murders, crime, people coming back from the dead like 10 years later, the tomfoolery just goes on and on and on. Seems like it's be right up your alley and as an added bonus you get an episode every weekday. I'm serious. Would take a few weeks to figure out all the characters/situations, but once you do you'd probably love it.
For the third time since Saturday, I will say GB Nipsey.
To be fair, and to address your points directly and honestly, I think the show's writing and character develoipment has improved remarkably. Every character seems to be very deep (a gay mobster? a crying, dying imprisoned boss? a former jailbird and cousin (Tony B) screwing up Tony S' action? That is GREAT character development - way better than the "mobster gets busted with heroin and flips" and "old school gangster is an ###" from seasons 1-3)As to the writing, it is geared towards Tony's head, not introducing you to mob-type action. And I completely understand why you dislike it b/c the show is now nothing like it was in seasons 1-3. But, it is not worse writing - it is way better. It is tougher concepts to write about, too.Anyway, that is this fan's perspective. YMMV.Borat said:
:corrected: for how I think it'd go in that sitch.Capella said:
MrPhoenix said:
Since this show is about Tony, not about Chris, Chris dying in a "what a shame" way reflects how Tony feels about Chris.What a shame that he couldn't live up to what Tony wanted him to live up to - they spent a TON of time on that very issue as Tony talked about Chris death/killing him - that thought is most especially reflected in the dream sequence with Melfi.
The factual errors cause me to reject everything this guy said.Wheelhouse said:
Tony considered killing Paulie two weeks ago. He has now taken a direct shot at all of the closest people in his life (including his real family) except Silvio.Kiddnets said:
There is - Raidernation? What ever happened to the other guy who was giving information to the feds at the beginning of this past season (when that guy who was a rat hung himself). There is another rat in Tony's house.With Carlo being absent from Tony's bedside, he's my bet.regularguy said:
impossible - would require AJ to, A, take quick action and, 2, do the right thing.
Eleven (now 12).
its almost as if Tony knows there are only 3 episodes left.
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Ray Curto died while ratting to an FBI agent in a car. Far as we know, there are no rats left.
T/Y - I remember that now - heart attack or stroke or something, right?ETA - as I mentioned in another of my 10-in-a-row, I think Carlo is a rat, which explains his absence from Tony's bedside. He also could be snagged by the NYC crew for his involvement in killing that NYC guy who was making fun of Vito's death.
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I disagree in a big way. He "pushed him" to hang out with some kids his own age in order to forget about Blanca. He would be PISSED if he knew A.J. was involved with kids who are into the stuff they are -- the violence and whatnot. He thought Carlo's and Pat's kids were merely harmless campus bookies from whom he receives fat envelopes once a week. If he knew about the other activities, he wouldn't be pleased.Tony despises when A.J. acts like a fhag... such as sitting in front of the computer "giggling like a school girl" or when he lays in bed pining over his lost girlfriend. But he made it clear to Melfi quite often that he never wanted the life for his kid. Jackie Aprile felt the same way about Jackie Jr. also.
RNation, re-watch that episode. He started pushing AJ towards those kids well after he knew they were engaging in youthful "family" activity. Remember his conversation with Carlo before he sat down with them at the bing? While I agree that, in the PAST, Tony consciously wanted AJ to succeed outside of crime and he consciously expressed to Melfi that AJ is not cut out for Tony's kind of life, I also think he has not been his "conscious" self from those seasons in this season.He actively pushed AJ towards kids he knows are doing "wrong" things and he lied to those kids about how AJ was doing so that they would have AJ hang out with them. He said that thing about AJ hanging out with kids his own age to defend himself when Carmela gave him crap about sending AJ to a party at the strip club.
I'm *officially*
Just watched the scene again in the Bing, at your behest. The only conversation between Tony and Carlo involved the latter expressing his misery over tooth pain. And all Patsi mentioned to Tony (besides them running the campus sportsbook successfully) was how smart his kid was, and how proud of him he is as a father. "The stuff this kid knows about computers --- he set up a website for his mother's ceramic business."
Maybe when he talked to them about it?I definitely came away with the impression that Tony knew exactly what these kids were all about.I'm *officially*
You could see the wheels spinning in T's head. He thought these were good, smart kids. He merely wanted some of that to rub off on A.J. Now I would ask you to go back and watch the scene again, and let me know if I missed something.
???Chris' mom not related to Tony.Chris and Carmela are related - cousins - which means one of their parents are siblings.
AKA an impossible to retain epiphany. When those synapses are all firing at once, lots of fun stuff can happen.For me, those days died even before Jerry did, but I remember them well.
The thing is, Chris would be a risk to relapse at some point and thus a greater detriment to Tony than Paulie ever would be. Paulie doesn't have the nuts to challenge Tony and T knows it.I guess now with Chris gone, the main focus will likely turn to Tony and Carm. That's not a bad thing, they're both sensational actors and I'm sure they'll have something really good to work with here.
Paulie was flirting with the idea of lining up with Johnny Sac years ago. Chris would rather see his fiancee killed then turn his back on Tony. Tony has a shot to kill them both and chooses Chris. Now Paulie has no family and his mafia family (in his old-school eyes) just slapped him in the face. I don't know what's going to happen but I think Paulie's going to have some say in what goes down. Who knows.
How? She's won pretty much every award a TV actor can.
maybe, but I don't think he has it in him. it would be a turn in his character to stand up to tony. he even openly questioned it in his own dreams a few episodes ago. he's just a soldier in line. he'll go down with the ship.
Christopher's baby daughter is alive, so that wouldn't really break the cycle would it? He passed his genes to her. Tony pretty much told Dr. Melphi why he killed Christopher, when he said Christopher was a weak junkie, and that was the type of person that would turn him in to the FBI.
Agreed.Being a music nerd, I was wondering why they used Roger Waters' live version from Berlin, rather than the PF studio version. Maybe it was a rights issue, or could be The Departed tie-in mentioned earlier by Tremendous Upside.
I thought about that trip to Vegas as a case of Tony living Chris' life -- smoking dope, bang**g C's hooker, etc. "Ironic" doesn't quite do it.
Me too.
this is horrible.
I know what you are saying and Tony has said many times that A.J. shouldn't be in the life and that he isn't cut out for it. But do you not think that there is some part of Tony that wants A.J. to follow in his footsteps? He wants him to be a tough. Maybe he says he doesn't want it for him because he knows that A.J. is incapable. And we know that it bothers Tony that his son is not tougher, for which he has often blamed Carmela. It is hard for me to believe that Tony would derive no happiness from A.J. following him, even though he may believe that on a more rational level.
I think it was Caesar's, and Caesar's was named in the closing credits.
I noticed that too. I interpereted that as the beacon calling for Chris. Either that or the searchlight of heaven looking for Chris and the light never found him.
As did I.
