Walter Slovotsky
Footballguy
I agree with everything you just said.To get this thread back on topic.. Do you think Philip Rivers sucks worse the Craig Whelihan? Would the Chargers be a better team if they had kept Wheels?
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BoltBacker
Footballguy
Well, I don't consider the difference between 27/7 and 22/9 as being "slightly better" numbers.You joke, but I actually put more stock in someones madden ratings than anything that comes out of the mouth/keyboard of billy simmons, Skip Bayless or the whole crew of blind date... among other "national pundits".Mr. PadresLakers said:It seems like common sense to me to value putting up solid numbers against a very good defense over putting up slightly better numbers over a very weak one.BoltBacker said:
If you want to refer to that as spin so be it, but you should watch me play as Rivers in Madden 2007 in rookie mode. He's awesome!
DanFouts
Footballguy
I vote for Billie Joe Tolliver......
Not always. Completing a 7 yard pass on third and six is worth more than completing an 8 yard pass on third and nine. Yards in garbage time aren't worth as much as when the game is on the line. And so on. Context always matters.Nonetheless, DPAR is only apples to apples if pass attempts are similar. Rivers had 15% more pass attempts in 2006 than Brees did in 2004. A better indicator of value per play is DVOA.Rivers 2006 = 28.3%Brees 2004 = 29.5%BoltBacker said:
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BoltBacker
Footballguy
Yeah but a lot of those types of plays are going to even themselves out over the course of a season. The big one to me is 27/7 vs 22/9. Not that 22/9 isn't great(it is) but 27/7 in less than 16 games is just incredible.
tommyGunZ
Footballguy
Why would he give Marty a big long term extension? Marty had two playoff games at home while he was the coach, and he lost them both. Regardless of why the Chargers lost, Marty's inability to win home playoff games only supported the notion that his teams can't win the big one.BoltBacker said:
Mr. PadresLakers
Footballguy
2-4-SD 26 (2:02) L.Tomlinson left tackle pushed ob at SD 42 for 16 yards (C.Finnegan). PENALTY on SD-L.Tomlinson, Unnecessary Roughness, 15 yards, enforced between downs.
jonessed
Footballguy
Comparing LTs maturity to Rivers is ridiculous regardless of the penalty. Rivers is way too emotional, both up and down. He simply can't progress as a QB until he learns to calm down.2-4-SD 26 (2:02) L.Tomlinson left tackle pushed ob at SD 42 for 16 yards (C.Finnegan). PENALTY on SD-L.Tomlinson, Unnecessary Roughness, 15 yards, enforced between downs.
Mr. PadresLakers
Footballguy
LT is definitely more mature than Rivers. Hes been a starter for 6 more years so its expected. Groovus was talking about emotional outbursts and told me to let him know when LT gets a penalty for one. I'm not sure whats ridiculous about any of that.He looked really mature when this happened to...Comparing LTs maturity to Rivers is ridiculous regardless of the penalty. Rivers is way too emotional, both up and down. He simply can't progress as a QB until he learns to calm down.2-4-SD 26 (2:02) L.Tomlinson left tackle pushed ob at SD 42 for 16 yards (C.Finnegan). PENALTY on SD-L.Tomlinson, Unnecessary Roughness, 15 yards, enforced between downs.
Cunk said:Rivers came to the bench and sat right next to LT. Immediately LT kind of gave a look of disgust and left the bench.ICWT10 said:What happened? Please explain .....RudiStein said:
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Family Matters
Footballguy
He did look pretty good. But my god, that's alot of holding not getting called.
Gold Plated Nails
Footballguy
Ton of heart by Rivers, playing hurt and leading that comeback on the road against a rough team fighting for their playoff lives. Awesome really...
RBM
Footballguy
gregjcross
Footballguy
Hillarious -I played against Wellihan in high school, 1987, Santa Theresa Saints! Rivers is slightly better than good old Wheels.
Gr00vus
Footballguy
Just Win Baby said:Thats about as gutsy a performance as Ive seen by a qb this year
Great 4th quarter for Phil. Kudos to him, he kept his head today and it paid off. Now if he can play like that for all 4 quarters they could win a game or two in the playoffs - as long as Merriman isn't out long term.
bicycle_seat_sniffer
Smells like chicken
Just Win Baby said:
The kid showed me something yesterdayBigSteelThrill
Footballguy
Rivers did do a very nice job - when the team needed to lean on him to snatch a victory. Quite the surprise.
bicycle_seat_sniffer
Smells like chicken
Tau837
Footballguy
I didn't see it because the game wasn't on in my area, but it was discussed both on Mike & Mike and Fox Sports Radio this morning. Both shows characterized it as a major show of "hostility" towards Rivers and commented about how suprising it was for a player who has always been characterized as having a lot of class and as being a leader.I love LT, and I'm sure plenty of things about this season have been frustrating, including Rivers' erratic play. But it is somewhat ironic that people around here have bashed Rivers for not being able to control his emotions and it was LT who had that problem yesterday. It is true that Rivers does need to control his emotions better (and play better), but there is no excuse for LT behaving that way. (Of course, I'm basing this on secondhand accounts, having not seen it myself.)
RBM
Footballguy
Its been a problem all year, not just yesterdayTomlinson is supposed to be Mr Class, but he really hasnt acted like it since the loss to the Pats last year in the playoffs.
Tau837
Footballguy
That's great. I'm surprised to have heard it characterized on multiple shows as "hostile" if that is all it was. But glad to hear it. Hopefully everyone on the team shares the same understanding that it is a non-issue.
Mr. PadresLakers
Footballguy
It's a non issue because they ended up winning. LT's explanation is not very believable if you see the video.
Gr00vus
Footballguy
Tau837
Footballguy
Well, I would expect that to be the explanation whether or not it is true. I mean, if it was hostile, it's not like either LT or Rivers is going to say that to the media.Seemed like a fitting explanation to me when seeing the video.
Gr00vus
Footballguy
Given what LaDainian said, I'm pretty sure he was disgusted at the offensive line - not Rivers - particularly after hearing whatever Neal had said to him, as he should have been, as I was. They were absolutely horrible for 3 quarters yesterday, and Phil had zero chance to be affective and LaDainian was basically running into a stone wall every carry. At some point during the second half, the offensive line switched from man to man blocking (which wasn't working ) to zone blocking and suddenly started having success in the run game and giving Rivers more time to throw (although the defense getting tired probably had something to do with that as well). I'm thinking this may have had something to do with giving some incentive to make that switch.Well, I would expect that to be the explanation whether or not it is true. I mean, if it was hostile, it's not like either LT or Rivers is going to say that to the media.
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Mr. PadresLakers
Footballguy
Get real dude. LT looked over at him. Had a look of disgust on his face and stormed off. Rivers just threw an interception and you actually believe LT thoughts are focused on some random play involving Lorenzo Neal and not the turnover that just occurred.
Despyzer
Lousy Attention Whore
I was thinking something similar to this when I saw the episode on NFL Network. Philip sits down and Tomlinson almost immediately gets up. The heads were saying that Tomlinson was obviously upset with Rivers, and I was thinking "Really? Obviously? Looked like a coincidence as much as anything. One guy sits down, another gets up. Happens every day without anybody being upset with anyone. How is this situation obvious?"
Gr00vus
Footballguy
See above - dude.Get real dude. LT looked over at him. Had a look of disgust on his face and stormed off. Rivers just threw an interception and you actually believe LT thoughts are focused on some random play involving Lorenzo Neal and not the turnover that just occurred.
Despyzer
Lousy Attention Whore
Mr. PadresLakers
Footballguy
I see the same thing that I described earlier. I must be as blind as Family Matters.PS FM reason number 64 why AJ Smith's job is nowhere near to being in jeopardy.
Stat of the Week
So you want to know how active your team will be with a good free-agency market coming up in three months? Here's a chart of how much cap space each team was due to have next spring as of Saturday, along with how many players each team has under contract:
Team Signed Players 2008 cap room
1. Tennessee 39 $40.85 million
2. San Diego 44 $33.03 million
3. Jacksonville 43 $32.69 million
4. Buffalo 49 $32.05 million
5. New Orleans 39 $31.69 million
6. Cincinnati 48 $31.45 million
7. San Francisco 48 $30.91 million
8. Cleveland 42 $30.31 million
9. Arizona 34 $30.27 million
10.N.Y. Jets 45 $27.72 million
11.Oakland 40 $25.98 million
12.Tampa Bay 48 $25.90 million
13.Miami 48 $25.56 million
14.N.Y. Giants 49 $24.47 million
15.Detroit 42 $23.50 million
16.Houston 43 $22.91 million
17.Dallas 40 $20.61 million
18.Kansas City 44 $20.27 million
19.Chicago 52 $19.80 million
20.Pittsburgh 43 $18.61 million
21.Green Bay 48 $18.37 million
22.Philadelphia 49 $17.17 million
23.Denver 49 $16.77 million
24.Minnesota 49 $14.88 million
25.New England 41 $10.93 million
26.St. Louis 45 $9.61 million
27.Seattle 44 $9.55 million
28.Indianapolis 48 $8.49 million
29.Carolina 35 $6.05 million
30.Atlanta 52 $5.79 million*
31.Baltimore 42 $5.00 million
32.Washington 45 -$20.72 million
* Not including unspecified potential rebate from contested return of Michael Vick's pro-rated signing bonus.
And yes, you read it right. The Washington Redskins are $20 million over the projected '08 cap, a number that will be reduced once the 'Skins convert some bonuses assigned to the '08 cap (including a hefty one paid to tight end Chris Cooley) to signing bonuses, which can be pro-rated over the life of the contract.
http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/2007/writ...9/week14/4.html
Tau837
Footballguy
Good info here. I wonder if A.J. will consider using some of that cap space to sign a couple of impact free agents to try to win a Super Bowl in the near term, before LT is out of his prime.
BoltBacker
Footballguy
And SD really can't afford to keep Turner around one more year for $5mil??? I don't get why so many people say you can't franchise that guy.
Despyzer
Lousy Attention Whore
Is there anything in A.J.'s history to suggest that he might do this?
Gold Plated Nails
Footballguy
Its closer to 10 Million. And if they want to extend Merriman, Rivers, Igor, Castillo, etc, they aren't going to spend 1/3 of their cap space on a backup RB. No chance. M Turner is gone come March.
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Despyzer
Lousy Attention Whore
Perhaps they can, but look how he is being used this year. Does that seem like a good investment?
tommyGunZ
Footballguy
I'm the resident Charger optimist, and I thought LT's move was bush league, and that the post game "it's nothing" characterization is BS.
LT was clearly upset and frustrated with Rivers, and reacted in a child like manner that lacked class and leadership. Winning cured the ill this time, but you find out about a players character when times are tough. It's easy to be a "leader" when you're smoking everyone and going 14-2.
LT2.
LT was clearly upset and frustrated with Rivers, and reacted in a child like manner that lacked class and leadership. Winning cured the ill this time, but you find out about a players character when times are tough. It's easy to be a "leader" when you're smoking everyone and going 14-2.
LT2.BoltBacker
Footballguy
How does that work? To the best of my knowledge there are no RB's in the nfl making $10mil in a season. Yet the average of the top 5 RB's is more than any RB is making?Gold Plated Nails said:
BoltBacker
Footballguy
I'd throw the new "controversy" in the same file as..."You know Shanny is stoked to see Merriman on TV during a game week"...and..."LT made a phone call to Marty!".Both of these were followed by big wins. Sometimes the sky simply isn't falling.tommyGunZ said:I'm the resident Charger optimist, and I thought LT's move was bush league, and that the post game "it's nothing" characterization is BS.LT was clearly upset and frustrated with Rivers, and reacted in a child like manner that lacked class and leadership. Winning cured the ill this time, but you find out about a players character when times are tough. It's easy to be a "leader" when you're smoking everyone and going 14-2.
tommyGunZ
Footballguy
Context, and the videotape. Rivers was struggling and had just thrown an interception. Rivers sat down right beside LT, and LT stood up and walked away. It was a complete diss. No other way to see it, if you're being honest, IMO.I have 1 Charger jersey, and it's a powder blue LT #21. But that was weak stuff he pulled yesterday.
tommyGunZ
Footballguy
No sky is falling talk from me. I'm not predicting a Charger implosion b/c of this incident.But I'm not going to stick my head in the sand and pretend it didn't happen. It did. LT made an ### out of himself, choosing to diss Philip instead of encouraging him and trying to provide some positive reenforcement.I'd throw the new "controversy" in the same file as..."You know Shanny is stoked to see Merriman on TV during a game week"...and..."LT made a phone call to Marty!".Both of these were followed by big wins. Sometimes the sky simply isn't falling.tommyGunZ said:I'm the resident Charger optimist, and I thought LT's move was bush league, and that the post game "it's nothing" characterization is BS.LT was clearly upset and frustrated with Rivers, and reacted in a child like manner that lacked class and leadership. Winning cured the ill this time, but you find out about a players character when times are tough. It's easy to be a "leader" when you're smoking everyone and going 14-2.LT2.
Family Matters
Footballguy
So the savings from Brees was that much? So does this contridict the point that Walter Slovotsky kept making about SD spending near their Cap limit each year? Am I missing something?Mr. PadresLakers said:
tommyGunZ
Footballguy
Apparently you're missing the entire point of the post. This is the Chargers cap space for 2008, not for 2007. As far as I know, the Chargers are right at the cap limit for 2007.In the offseason, I'm sure AJ will try to lock up Cromartie and a couple other young Bolts to long term extensions. Then he'll make a couple moves via free agency, getting the Bolts close to the cap. By week 7, if the Bolts haven't had to use the remaining cap space, AJ will accelerate a couple of bonuses so that the Chargers are maxed out against the cap, and have more room in the following offseason.
Happens every year.
Family Matters
Footballguy
You may be right, I might be missing something. But comparing to where they are versus others, they seem on the low end of things. That usually means they are spending less. Guess it would be helpful to know where they are right now, for this season compared to the rest of the NFL. That would paint a better picture I guess. Anyone know?
