Max Power
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record?6 games of 3 TDs. Not bad.
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money.never.sleeps
Footballguy
I don't believe you can solely put the Chargers problems on Rivers. He has made some bad plays late that led to losses but at the same time he's also played some very good games. The offensive line has been bad along with LT having trouble. If you can't run the ball effectively it puts alot more pressure on the QB. The defense also has not done a good job up front.Chargers have lost some very close games that they could've won which is total team effort. Appears to me that the Chargers struggles are a combination of alot of things.. not just Rivers.record?6 games of 3 TDs. Not bad.
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tommyGunZ
Footballguy
Reverse the Ed Hockuli call and the Chargers are likely in the playoffs and Rivers would get MVP votes.record?6 games of 3 TDs. Not bad.
Tau837
Footballguy
He's 33-17 as a starter, including postseason. Pretty good, huh?record?6 games of 3 TDs. Not bad.
Tau837
Footballguy
Reverse the Ed Hockuli call and the Chargers are likely in the playoffs and Rivers would get MVP votes.record?6 games of 3 TDs. Not bad.
LHUCKS
Footballguy
...and Trent Dilfer won a Superbowl.What's your point?He's 33-17 as a starter, including postseason. Pretty good, huh?record?6 games of 3 TDs. Not bad.
tommyGunZ
Footballguy
max power asked what Rivers' record was. JWB answered him.BTW, when did Trent Dilfer lead the NFL in passer rating for an entire season?...and Trent Dilfer won a Superbowl.What's your point?He's 33-17 as a starter, including postseason. Pretty good, huh?record?6 games of 3 TDs. Not bad.
Tau837
Footballguy
Just answering the question that was asked. What's your point? You have always bashed Rivers and you have always been wrong. Comparing him to Dilfer is just more of the same. You're just making yourself look even more ignorant....and Trent Dilfer won a Superbowl.What's your point?He's 33-17 as a starter, including postseason. Pretty good, huh?record?6 games of 3 TDs. Not bad.
BoltBacker
Footballguy
Rivers > leinart
Max Power
Footballguy
Kyle Orton 20-9 as a starter.Glad to see SD came back to beat that 2 win teamHe's 33-17 as a starter, including postseason. Pretty good, huh?record?6 games of 3 TDs. Not bad.
Tau837
Footballguy
What does Orton have to do with Rivers? There is nothing particularly similar about them aside from the fact that both have good career records. Rivers has a career 91 QB rating, compared to Orton's career 70.7 QB rating. It seems safe to say Rivers has contributed a lot more to his team's wins than Orton has. Rivers has also won a couple of playoff games... has Orton even played in a playoff game? Regardless, yes, Orton has a very nice record.Kyle Orton 20-9 as a starter.He's 33-17 as a starter, including postseason. Pretty good, huh?record?6 games of 3 TDs. Not bad.
Me too.Glad to see SD came back to beat that 2 win team
Hoss_Cartwright
Footballguy
To be fair, your man love for him has always been obvious. I just threw up a little bit in my mouth.Just answering the question that was asked. What's your point? You have always bashed Rivers and you have always been wrong. Comparing him to Dilfer is just more of the same. You're just making yourself look even more ignorant....and Trent Dilfer won a Superbowl.What's your point?He's 33-17 as a starter, including postseason. Pretty good, huh?record?6 games of 3 TDs. Not bad.
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Steel Dillo
Footballguy
bicycle_seat_sniffer
Smells like chicken
fixed and
BoltBacker
Footballguy
What was the Chargers worst defeat in your opinion that gave you the impression they are "horrible"?
simey
Footballguy
Of course JWB is a big fan of Rivers, he is an NCSU alumni. What does that have to do with the fact that LHUCKS has always bashed Philip? What JWB said is 100% true.To be fair, your man love for him has always been obvious. I just threw up a little bit in my mouth.Just answering the question that was asked. What's your point? You have always bashed Rivers and you have always been wrong. Comparing him to Dilfer is just more of the same. You're just making yourself look even more ignorant....and Trent Dilfer won a Superbowl.What's your point?He's 33-17 as a starter, including postseason. Pretty good, huh?record?6 games of 3 TDs. Not bad.
bicycle_seat_sniffer
Smells like chicken
yeah I wish they were as good as cleveland
Pack43
Footballguy
Of course JWB is a big fan of Rivers, he is an NCSU alumni. What does that have to do with the fact that LHUCKS has always bashed Philip? What JWB said is 100% true.To be fair, your man love for him has always been obvious. I just threw up a little bit in my mouth.Just answering the question that was asked. What's your point? You have always bashed Rivers and you have always been wrong. Comparing him to Dilfer is just more of the same. You're just making yourself look even more ignorant....and Trent Dilfer won a Superbowl.What's your point?He's 33-17 as a starter, including postseason. Pretty good, huh?record?6 games of 3 TDs. Not bad.
At least JWB provides quantitative support for his opinions of Rivers, something that LHUCKS admittingly ignores.
Despyzer
Lousy Attention Whore
Sweet Love
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As an NC and Raleigh resident, I hate all things NC State...but to deny the "goodness" of Rivers is just plain wrong. He has everything you look for in a franchise QB...talent, fire, intelligence and leadership...comparing him to the Ortons of the world is beyond ignorant...it is just plain dumb. I highly doubt between the 4 ACC teams in NC, that I will ever see a better QB in my lifetime (I am only 34) gracing the field on Saturdays. If I do, the chances are still remote that I will be able to watch him perform better than Rivers on Sundays. If you want less of an emotional analysis, just look at the fact that he is responsible for turning one of the best ever rushing offenses into a passing offense as a 26 years old. In a sense, he is replacing a leader (LT) on offense, while said leader is still there. This team wins because of Rivers, not in spite of him.Of course JWB is a big fan of Rivers, he is an NCSU alumni. What does that have to do with the fact that LHUCKS has always bashed Philip? What JWB said is 100% true.To be fair, your man love for him has always been obvious. I just threw up a little bit in my mouth.Just answering the question that was asked. What's your point? You have always bashed Rivers and you have always been wrong. Comparing him to Dilfer is just more of the same. You're just making yourself look even more ignorant....and Trent Dilfer won a Superbowl.What's your point?He's 33-17 as a starter, including postseason. Pretty good, huh?record?6 games of 3 TDs. Not bad.
nxmehta
Footballguy
Whoa whoa whoa don't take that the wrong way. I don't mean they are Cleveland Browns horrible. I'm not allowed to post the words that correctly describe how bad we are.However, you should take note that SD is only 1.5 games better than Cleveland right now by their record. What I meant was that a 6-8 record seems completely unacceptable considering the talent that SD has. They might not have been getting blown out this year, but find a way to win these games! Look at the Steelers- they make a living out of winning close games. The Chargers need to gut some of these wins out.Are you trying to tell me that you expected SD to go 6-8? I don't think anyone did.Maybe instead of "horrible" I should have said "most disappointing team in the NFL". Although the Browns might give you a run for their money with that one...
tommyGunZ
Footballguy
Not a Charger fan on this board who would argue that the Bolts aren't disappointing. But they don't have a single "bad" loss all year.Whoa whoa whoa don't take that the wrong way. I don't mean they are Cleveland Browns horrible. I'm not allowed to post the words that correctly describe how bad we are.However, you should take note that SD is only 1.5 games better than Cleveland right now by their record. What I meant was that a 6-8 record seems completely unacceptable considering the talent that SD has. They might not have been getting blown out this year, but find a way to win these games! Look at the Steelers- they make a living out of winning close games. The Chargers need to gut some of these wins out.Are you trying to tell me that you expected SD to go 6-8? I don't think anyone did.Maybe instead of "horrible" I should have said "most disappointing team in the NFL". Although the Browns might give you a run for their money with that one...
Of their 8 losses, SD definitely should have found a way to win half of them. But they haven't lost to a bad team all year.And lets be honest, w/o the Hoculi debacle, the Bolts would be 7-7 right now, owning the tiebreaker over Denver, and in the playoffs.
Statcruncher
Footballguy
I classify at least those two as "bad losses". Even if you can avoid calling those "bad losses" where are the good wins? It's incredible how the Chargers underwhelmed this year.tommyGunZ said:Not a Charger fan on this board who would argue that the Bolts aren't disappointing. But they don't have a single "bad" loss all year.nxmehta said:Whoa whoa whoa don't take that the wrong way. I don't mean they are Cleveland Browns horrible. I'm not allowed to post the words that correctly describe how bad we are.However, you should take note that SD is only 1.5 games better than Cleveland right now by their record. What I meant was that a 6-8 record seems completely unacceptable considering the talent that SD has. They might not have been getting blown out this year, but find a way to win these games! Look at the Steelers- they make a living out of winning close games. The Chargers need to gut some of these wins out.Despyzer said:
Are you trying to tell me that you expected SD to go 6-8? I don't think anyone did.
Maybe instead of "horrible" I should have said "most disappointing team in the NFL". Although the Browns might give you a run for their money with that one...Of their 8 losses, SD definitely should have found a way to win half of them. But they haven't lost to a bad team all year.And lets be honest, w/o the Hoculi debacle, the Bolts would be 7-7 right now, owning the tiebreaker over Denver, and in the playoffs.
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tommyGunZ
Footballguy
Well, Buffalo was 4-1, at home, and coming off of a bye when they beat the Chargers. So while they've faltered lately, the Bills were hot, rested, and at home that week.Miami is 9-5, so I'm not sure how losing in their building by a touchdown is a "bad loss", especially when you consider Miami was also coming off of a bye when they hosted the Bolts.I classify at least those two as "bad losses". Even if you can avoid calling those "bad losses" where are the good wins? It's incredible how the Chargers underwhelmed this year.tommyGunZ said:Not a Charger fan on this board who would argue that the Bolts aren't disappointing. But they don't have a single "bad" loss all year.nxmehta said:Whoa whoa whoa don't take that the wrong way. I don't mean they are Cleveland Browns horrible. I'm not allowed to post the words that correctly describe how bad we are.However, you should take note that SD is only 1.5 games better than Cleveland right now by their record. What I meant was that a 6-8 record seems completely unacceptable considering the talent that SD has. They might not have been getting blown out this year, but find a way to win these games! Look at the Steelers- they make a living out of winning close games. The Chargers need to gut some of these wins out.Despyzer said:
Are you trying to tell me that you expected SD to go 6-8? I don't think anyone did.
Maybe instead of "horrible" I should have said "most disappointing team in the NFL". Although the Browns might give you a run for their money with that one...Of their 8 losses, SD definitely should have found a way to win half of them. But they haven't lost to a bad team all year.And lets be honest, w/o the Hoculi debacle, the Bolts would be 7-7 right now, owning the tiebreaker over Denver, and in the playoffs.
Coming into the season, I thought these games were winnable as well, but both teams have exceeded expectations and are good at home.
Statcruncher
Footballguy
Like I said, where are the good wins? San Diego has beaten the Jets, New England, Oakland x2, and Kansas City x2.Well, Buffalo was 4-1, at home, and coming off of a bye when they beat the Chargers. So while they've faltered lately, the Bills were hot, rested, and at home that week. Buffalo won their first 4 games against terrible teams (Seattle, Jax, Oakland, St. Louis) and have gone 2 - 8 since then, with the 2 wins being over San Diego and Kansas City.Miami is 9-5, so I'm not sure how losing in their building by a touchdown is a "bad loss", especially when you consider Miami was also coming off of a bye when they hosted the Bolts.I classify at least those two as "bad losses". Even if you can avoid calling those "bad losses" where are the good wins? It's incredible how the Chargers underwhelmed this year.tommyGunZ said:Not a Charger fan on this board who would argue that the Bolts aren't disappointing. But they don't have a single "bad" loss all year.nxmehta said:Whoa whoa whoa don't take that the wrong way. I don't mean they are Cleveland Browns horrible. I'm not allowed to post the words that correctly describe how bad we are.However, you should take note that SD is only 1.5 games better than Cleveland right now by their record. What I meant was that a 6-8 record seems completely unacceptable considering the talent that SD has. They might not have been getting blown out this year, but find a way to win these games! Look at the Steelers- they make a living out of winning close games. The Chargers need to gut some of these wins out.Despyzer said:
Are you trying to tell me that you expected SD to go 6-8? I don't think anyone did.
Maybe instead of "horrible" I should have said "most disappointing team in the NFL". Although the Browns might give you a run for their money with that one...Of their 8 losses, SD definitely should have found a way to win half of them. But they haven't lost to a bad team all year.And lets be honest, w/o the Hoculi debacle, the Bolts would be 7-7 right now, owning the tiebreaker over Denver, and in the playoffs.
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Chase Stuart
Footballguy
Obviously Rivers isn't terrible. I don't like using QB Rating to measure QBs, though.
Rivers ranks 1st in adjusted net yards per attempt. I don't know how you can say he hasn't been one of the very best QBs in the league this year.
Rivers ranks 1st in adjusted net yards per attempt. I don't know how you can say he hasn't been one of the very best QBs in the league this year.
massraider
Footballguy
Hopefully the ownership agrees that they are not horrible, and they re-sign Norv to a long term deal.Like I said, where are the good wins? San Diego has beaten the Jets, New England, Oakland x2, and Kansas City x2.Well, Buffalo was 4-1, at home, and coming off of a bye when they beat the Chargers. So while they've faltered lately, the Bills were hot, rested, and at home that week. Buffalo won their first 4 games against terrible teams (Seattle, Jax, Oakland, St. Louis) and have gone 2 - 8 since then, with the 2 wins being over San Diego and Kansas City.Miami is 9-5, so I'm not sure how losing in their building by a touchdown is a "bad loss", especially when you consider Miami was also coming off of a bye when they hosted the Bolts.I classify at least those two as "bad losses". Even if you can avoid calling those "bad losses" where are the good wins? It's incredible how the Chargers underwhelmed this year.tommyGunZ said:Not a Charger fan on this board who would argue that the Bolts aren't disappointing. But they don't have a single "bad" loss all year.nxmehta said:Whoa whoa whoa don't take that the wrong way. I don't mean they are Cleveland Browns horrible. I'm not allowed to post the words that correctly describe how bad we are.However, you should take note that SD is only 1.5 games better than Cleveland right now by their record. What I meant was that a 6-8 record seems completely unacceptable considering the talent that SD has. They might not have been getting blown out this year, but find a way to win these games! Look at the Steelers- they make a living out of winning close games. The Chargers need to gut some of these wins out.Despyzer said:
Are you trying to tell me that you expected SD to go 6-8? I don't think anyone did.
Maybe instead of "horrible" I should have said "most disappointing team in the NFL". Although the Browns might give you a run for their money with that one...Of their 8 losses, SD definitely should have found a way to win half of them. But they haven't lost to a bad team all year.And lets be honest, w/o the Hoculi debacle, the Bolts would be 7-7 right now, owning the tiebreaker over Denver, and in the playoffs.Coming into the season, I thought these games were winnable as well, but both teams have exceeded expectations and are good at home. Miami is a better than expected team this year but across the board San Diego has better talent at every position. San Diego's O just flat laid an egg.
tommyGunZ
Footballguy
The Jets and NE are pretty good teams, right? And the Chargers played Carolina, Indy, Pitt, and Denver to virtual ties. Again, there isn't a single Charger fan alive who isn't disappointed in the overall record. But the Chargers are alot better than their 6-8 record indicates (IMO) and Philip Rivers isn't "terrible", as the thread title indicates.Like I said, where are the good wins? San Diego has beaten the Jets, New England, Oakland x2, and Kansas City x2.Well, Buffalo was 4-1, at home, and coming off of a bye when they beat the Chargers. So while they've faltered lately, the Bills were hot, rested, and at home that week. Buffalo won their first 4 games against terrible teams (Seattle, Jax, Oakland, St. Louis) and have gone 2 - 8 since then, with the 2 wins being over San Diego and Kansas City.Miami is 9-5, so I'm not sure how losing in their building by a touchdown is a "bad loss", especially when you consider Miami was also coming off of a bye when they hosted the Bolts.I classify at least those two as "bad losses". Even if you can avoid calling those "bad losses" where are the good wins? It's incredible how the Chargers underwhelmed this year.tommyGunZ said:Not a Charger fan on this board who would argue that the Bolts aren't disappointing. But they don't have a single "bad" loss all year.nxmehta said:Whoa whoa whoa don't take that the wrong way. I don't mean they are Cleveland Browns horrible. I'm not allowed to post the words that correctly describe how bad we are.However, you should take note that SD is only 1.5 games better than Cleveland right now by their record. What I meant was that a 6-8 record seems completely unacceptable considering the talent that SD has. They might not have been getting blown out this year, but find a way to win these games! Look at the Steelers- they make a living out of winning close games. The Chargers need to gut some of these wins out.Despyzer said:
Are you trying to tell me that you expected SD to go 6-8? I don't think anyone did.
Maybe instead of "horrible" I should have said "most disappointing team in the NFL". Although the Browns might give you a run for their money with that one...Of their 8 losses, SD definitely should have found a way to win half of them. But they haven't lost to a bad team all year.And lets be honest, w/o the Hoculi debacle, the Bolts would be 7-7 right now, owning the tiebreaker over Denver, and in the playoffs.
BoltBacker
Footballguy
Completely agree.... just so long as Norv continues to be most instrumental on the offensive side of the ball.Perhaps most importantly I wouldn't fire Norv unless I had someone targeted to replace him. Just about the dumbest thing a franchise can do is take the easy way out and fire the coach and blame him for everything that goes wrong with a franchise without any thought about who you are going to go out and replace him.... but I'm sure I don't need to explain that to a raider fan.
BoltBacker
Footballguy
So to summarize: losing by 7 to a (9-5) Dolphins team constitutes a bad loss. And beating a (9-5) Jet team by 19 and a (9-5) Patriot team by 20 don't constitute good wins?
Statcruncher
Footballguy
Look through my posts again, I'm not dogging Philip Rivers or the Chargers. I'm simply saying they have way more talent than their record indicates and anyone who isn't terribly disappointed by this year is in denial. I have no problems with people drinking their team's Kool-Aid, but at least be honest and call a wasted season a wasted season. People can try to defend their record this year but I don't think it helps their credibility.BoltBacker said:
bicycle_seat_sniffer
Smells like chicken
of course we are disappointed. Losing close games comes down to coaching and QB play. Rivers has made some mistakes but really Norv is to blame.
Now let's lose out so our first rounder is better.
Despyzer
Lousy Attention Whore
I don't think it's a wasted season until they are actually eliminated from the playoffs. I also don't think that looking at more than just overall wins and losses will cost anybody any credibility with anyone who is actually worth caring about.
tommyGunZ
Footballguy
Who is claiming not to be disappointed? I don't think that taking a closer look at the losses and the reasons behind those L's suggests a lack of disappointment. When you lose so many close games to good teams, it's not exactly homerish to think that a healthy Shawne Merriman, a healthy LT, a healthy Gates, a healthy Nick Hardwick, and a healthy Chris Chambers wouldn't have made a difference in at least 1 or 2 of those games. You'll probably say that pointing to injuries is making excuses, but as a Charger fan all I can do is look at the facts and try to figure out why the Chargers have underachieved. Merriman, LT, and Gates are not just good players, they're All Pros. It would be ignorant to think that their injuries had no effect on the W/L record.
tommyGunZ
Footballguy
tommyGunZ
Footballguy
You and LHUCKS having fun on that island?You and I were alone on that island for quite some time, IIRC.I've been saying this for over a year.
cstu
Footballguy
I don't know, I'd rather have them win next week and make the playoffs...
Tau837
Footballguy
You and LHUCKS having fun on that island?You and I were alone on that island for quite some time, IIRC.I've been saying this for over a year.
SeniorVBDStudent
Footballguy
Everything old is new again.
Looks like the Boltz and the Pats have a good shot at making the playoffs.
Surprising to say the least.
Looks like the Boltz and the Pats have a good shot at making the playoffs.
Surprising to say the least.
Fixed.(For LHUCKS, I think the answer is that Rivers would have to go back in time and play his college ball somewhere else.)
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