Apple Jack
Footballguy
That was a tipped ball. Not really the same in this context.
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Philip Rivers Thread (2 Viewers)
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Raiderfan32904
Footballguy
They all count on the scoresheet nevertheless. No making excuses for Franchise QB's who are not playing up to their star billing. Rivers sucks out loud right now, and he has to prove he doesn't with results on the field and in the boxscore.
BigSteelThrill
Footballguy
Do others see what I saw/see (not saying I was correct, but its what my observation of Rivers led me to believe)...
BigSteelThrill
Footballguy
He looked pretty damn confused as he was trying to scan for a secondary/tertiary receiver.
The Big Donkey
Footballguy
nxmehta
Footballguy
7 TDs and 11 INTs on the season... he's been great in real life and fantasy the last couple of season, *no question* about that, but he is really stinking it up this year. No way I'd call him "one of the best QBs in the NFL" this year.
Let me be clear. I do not own rivers on any of my fantasy teams. Never have. And I actually think that he is an amazing qb. I am a huge giants fan and have typically always coveted rivers knowing we could have had him j stead of Eli. But this year is a different story. From a real life nfl AND fantasy perspective he just plain sucks. The chargers are winning football games IN SPITE or rivers this year instead of because of him. Noone can deny that. For THIS season this far, rivers isn't even putting up good qb2 numbers. Just awful.
I agree with that NOW. If you would have asked me that question last year I would have taken rivers. Eli is proving to be a great qb this year. Maybe even flirting with else status. But I hate his demeanor on the field and that he is not a pure leader like his big bro. Always irked me
Raider Nation
Devil's Advocate
Joe Montana wasn't (usually) fiery and demonstrative on the field, and he did pretty well. But "Eli Cool" is not a catchy nickname.
BigSteelThrill
Footballguy
Joe earned and demanded everyone's respect and was a consummate leader via action, demeanor and ability. Neither Rivers or Eli compare.
Raiderfan32904
Footballguy
For that fumble with the game basically won, Phillip Rivers is just terrible. He just is.
SacramentoBob
Footballguy
Two picks.
Native
Footballguy
And one fumble.
Hoss_Cartwright
Footballguy
Just Win Baby to white courtesy phone please. 
DanFouts
Footballguy
I love Rivers....but seriously....this year is a trainwreck....He lost Jets game last week with crappy throws...and he lost tonight....all him.....not Norv....
Just Win Baby
Footballguy
He was terrible today and has been subpar this season to date. There is no way to justify it, though it also doesn't invalidate how well he has played in the past. I'd like to think he can shake it and play better... we'll see.Until the fumble tonight, I thought he actually played pretty well. I discount the tipped interception, and he completed 15 of 16 passes (or better?) in one stretch after the interceptions. He certainly looked good in that stretch.Regardless, the season to date is a huge disappointment.Just Win Baby to white courtesy phone please.
Would not having a LT that is having 10 mistakes a game and lets guys blow buy him constantly not impact a player. Overall he played pretty good except the fumble was brutal. I cant believe how many times I saw 1st or 2nd and 20 in this game.
He had a couple of passes that were high but man, did he ever make some nice plays when get got outside the pocket. Overall, I thought he played very well but he is not using Vincent Jackson enough.
He had a couple of passes that were high but man, did he ever make some nice plays when get got outside the pocket. Overall, I thought he played very well but he is not using Vincent Jackson enough.
Godsbrother
Footballguy
Two fumbles (one was recovered). He also hit a KC defender right in the hands but it was dropped so he should have had 3 picks. I don't love or hate the guy but even Stevie Wonder can see that Rivers is struggling.
This post is dead on!! Rivers didn't play as bad as some of you are saying
Godsbrother
Footballguy
We were watching two different games then.
Frenchy Fuqua
Footballguy
11 INT, 6 fumbles (lost 3), 17 sacks in 7 games. Starting to look alot like the early demise of Bernie Kosar.
Dought Man
Footballguy
The bloom is off the rose...
KC doubling Gates at the line was brilliant in the 2nd half. Take away Rivers security blanket and he doesnt know what to do.
KC doubling Gates at the line was brilliant in the 2nd half. Take away Rivers security blanket and he doesnt know what to do.
Brunell4MVP
Footballguy
The Skins would give two 1st rounders for him. As would about 20 other teams.
Godsbrother
Footballguy
Heck the Raiders would probably have given three. Doesn't change the fact that he is not playing well.
Raiderfan32904
Footballguy
Does VJax just run bad routes or something? In the past he has been big play receiver, maybe the separation speed just isn't there for him right now because of the injuries, and he's not able to get open without it. I haven't watch many Charger games this year, thank god.
Evilgrin 72
Distributor of Pain
An even better choice would have been to sit tight at #4 and take Roethlisberger. Thank God they didn't.
CalBear
Footballguy
Uh, yeah, except he led them back from 10 points down twice, tied the game, and would have won it except for the fumble. There is no excuse for the fumble, of course. But he played well in the second half except for that.
treat88
Footballguy
Brandon Flowers is a better CB than VJax is a WR is what last night came down to.
Reepicheep
Footballguy
Rivers played poorly, but we should give some credit to KC, they had the game really well-schemed on defense, and executed well, especially in the red zone.
pilferthedawn
Footballguy
The Offesnive PI call against Gates for the TD was nonsense. I thought he played well after the 1st quarter. McNeil was a liability all game and put the entire offense's back up against the wall all night long.
I think Rivers will have some decent weeks coming up. They play GB next week, which has the makings of a shootout. I expect over 300 yards passing and at least 2 TDs.
I think Rivers will have some decent weeks coming up. They play GB next week, which has the makings of a shootout. I expect over 300 yards passing and at least 2 TDs.
simey
Footballguy
He has done just fine in the past when Gates has been unable to play. I think Tolbert missing the game hurt more than Gates and Jackson being doubled. Rivers threw for almost 400 yards, and that touchdown to Gates shouldn't have been nullified. Rivers did not play that bad last night, and the fumble at the end was bad, but Tom Brady got the ball stripped from him at the end of the Pittsburgh game, and Big Ben fumbles the ball on a regular basis. It happens to the best of them.
simey
Footballguy
Godsbrother
Footballguy
The Chiefs did a good job but I saw Jackson open several times and Rivers didn't look his way. After one play in particular Jackson was visibly upset that Rivers did a check down because there was no defender near him. He can't pass it to himself.
tommyGunZ
Footballguy
Agreed. Pitt would have 3-4 Rings with Rivers at the helm, and San Diego would be a laughingstock.
massraider
Footballguy
Godsbrother
Footballguy
Possibly. Then again there is no way Rivers could take the kind of beatings that Roethlisberger has endured behind the Steelers o-line.
Frenchy Fuqua
Footballguy
tommyGunZ
Footballguy
I don't know - I think Rivers is probably the toughest QB in the NFL. He hasn't missed a game due to injury since entering the NFL. Big Ben has played 16 games only once in his career.
treat88
Footballguy
Might be GB.The times I saw Flowers and Jackson heads up, Flowers dominated him.
tommyGunZ
Footballguy
This is a fair point. Ben is faster. Rivers can make molasses look like Usain Bolt sometimes.
Evilgrin 72
Distributor of Pain
Rivers would be dead right now.
ConnSKINS26
Footballguy
I watched him last night, and I don't know what it is....but its like something is broken in the guy's head. He looks like a completely different QB from last year's version. I'd say that I guarantee he's injured, if I could see any signs of that in his play. I can't.
Leeroy Jenkins
Footballguy
Last night was the first time I was really able to watch him this season. While he has always had an awkward throwing motion, at times there seemed to be more of a hitch or shot-putting than normal which looked stressful on his elbow and produced some poor throws and knuckle balls. My first thought was that something was ailing. Maybe a leg/knee issue? He seems to be using all arm and no body.
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