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Josh McCown - 37
Who is getting $7M? Chase Daniels? I think they signed him as a possible starter if the Bradford experiment fizzled. Probably got in a bidding war with KC. Is anyone else getting paid that much to be a backup?
Yeah, you're probably right. And yes, hoping for Geno is crazy. It's not impossible he turns his career around, but I wouldn't bet on it.
The Jets don't have $12MM in cap space so need the hit to be spread out over the three years which is why they offered him the three year deal with far lesser money in years 2 and 3. Both sides are being disingenuous every step of the way, but imo the Jets are on the more realistic side of the negotiation process and have the stronger argument.
That structure locks Fitz in to three years at 8mil a year.
I'm guessing they don't really want him to be starting in 2017, so that would be really, really good backup money.
This.
To be fair he was coming off a partial season with the Titans where he almost had a 1:1 TD to INT ratio. The season before he had gotten dumped by Buffalo for maybe EJ Manual or somebody. Nobody really wanted him, so he needed a shot to prove himself and Houston was his best shot. Now he's coming off his best TD output with an unFitzpatrick like 2:1 ratio, so he's trying to cash in.
You are correct about the 2014 contract. I guess I just consider getting 2x as much as his 2014 contract a fair amount of "cashing in" for him. Nobody wanted him because he's just not that good. I like the guy and I like his work ethic. It's also very evident that Marshall and Decker like him. But enough of the game. On a fantasy football level this is like a trade being hung up over a 5th round rookie pick. To quote Dr. Phil, and I swear I don't watch him(anymore), someone needs to step up and be the hero here.
I don't want to disparage Fitz too much, because I appreciate the hell out of what he did last season - but there's a reason why he's played for seven NFL teams and why QB needy teams paid Bradford and Osweiler big money, traded for Mark Sanchez and signed RGIII while Fitzpatrick is still out there,
You ask me to answer your questions, but I've already elaborated on my prior post and fully explained my rationale for why I think the Jets should move on from Fitz: (1) He's a mediocre talent and the quintessential journeyman QB; (2) He is not worth the money he's asking; (3) The Jets can't afford to pay him $12 million or commit to him for a long term deal; (3) the Jets can and should commit to the QBs they've drafted. It's a tough decision, as Fitz is probably the better option for right now due to his leadership and character, but I don't see anything in Fitz's career history that tells me that he can be anything more than a mediocre, short term answer for the team.
The problem is market sets the price. There is no market for Fitz. If he does not sign with the Jets he will not get more than the 4-5 backup type money with any other team. Fitz has been a UFA for 5 months without any interest. There has to be another team to drive up the price but so far there are no takers.
Agree with this. Fitz can also see if someone gets injured, and perhaps see if the Jets get more desperate as training camp approaches.
The Jets have a tremendous amount to lose - unless they are certain that Smith is going to break the franchise TD mark Fitz just set and put up 4000 yds. They could easily lose the locker room and any good will playing hardball with a relatively very low number.
Seems he quite clearly answered your question above. Just because you don't care for his answer (apparently) doesn't negate it.
He didn't explain at all why he thought this would be Fitzpatrick's last contract nor why he thought Fitzpatrick would get fat and lazy. He sidestepped them (and hooked you) by changing the topic to why he didn't want him back in NY or why he hasn't been a very good QB. Those weren't his initial assertions that I called terrible. I wouldn't have argued much with those.
This is in essence what they are already offering and Fitz is rejecting. They have offered him $15MM guaranteed. Throwing "fake" money on the end isn't going to placate him if he knows he's not going to see it.
There is one big difference. The Jets deal has very low salaries in year 2 and 3, according to reports.
True and a fair point - They could make Year 2 much more inflated so that he gets paid or their hand is forced.
I guess they could start offering him 3rd string money to be their starter. Problem solved.Faust said:
The problem is the market sets the price. There are no other starting caliber QB's for the Jets to sign.
What I don't understand is why the Jets seem willing to pay Revis $17mil, Wilkerson $15+mil, Marshall $9+mil, and Mangold $8+mil but won't budge from $8mil to give the team a chance to use those players in the playoffs.
The Jets have designs on winning now. They have a defense, old RB, and old WR.
I don't think the bold part is true. They recognized that Wilkerson is a very talented player and has earned a huge contract and would have signed one had he been a FA. They chose to franchise him, which is their right. But they could have come to an agreement to pay Wilkerson a contract that would give them the cap space to pay Fitz like a starting QB. Problem is, they don't seem to have interest paying Wilkerson either.
Yet they seem to want to control his future for the next three years. Why on earth would anyone that just proved he is playing like a starting level QB agree to payed like a backup level QB moving forward?
Well, if this was true they could simply let Fitz have a player opt-out after the first year of the deal. Fitz has already said he would play for $12mil for the first year so wouldn't he have already signed that contract if NY wasn't trying to control Fitz for the next three years?
Well, supposedly the reason they were offering $8mil. Then they were asking Ferguson for a big paycut so they could sign Fitz. Instead, they end up chasing Ferguson into retirement. Ferguson was scheduled to make $14mil, so now they are paying him $5mil in dead money. They "replace" Ferguson with Clady for $6mil. So before this exercise in musical chairs they were offering $8mil and asking for space to sign Fitz. So what is the offer after they freed up $3mil????? Then the offer was "upped" to $24mil/3yr..... ???? Seems like a matter of lying to me.
Huh.. that's an old NY Media narrative..... Ferguson was done with the game and wanted to retire - simple as that.
You think it's a coincidence that he decided to retire in the spring when they were asking him to take a substantial pay-cut?
I am a little surprised by the position the front office is taking as well, no matter what local poll's show.
It's not the only way. They could cut Revis a check for $15M, spread that out over three years, and free up $10M right now. They could also sign Wilkerson to a long-term deal and structure the cap hits to be minimal in 2016 and larger in future years. They have a few other guys with contracts they could restructure but they all result in the same thing - pushing cap money from this year into next to sign Fitzpatrick.
I think this is the strongest argument Jets fans have.
You mean "paid"? Anyway, I think there are several reasons, but first, $8M/year is more than backup money. Second, a solid reason would be that backup QBs don't have to worry about their quality of life in 20 years. Third, that contract might represent the most money he could make in the next 3 years. If he takes a 1 year contract this year and then nobody wants to sign him as a starter next year then he's probably looking at $5M/year as a pure backup.
So he should turn down $15MM now, hoping for a Romo injury in Week 3? How will Jerruh "open his checkbook" to pay Fitz big money, when by then the Cowboys would likely be right up against the cap? I doubt they are holding $15MM in reserve in case Romo gets hurt.
I didn't say should, I said can. Clearly this isn't about the "now" money but about the two following years he gets locked into lower salaries. The Cowboys have $7M in cap space right now and could easily clear a few more million. If it came down to it I'm sure he'd give up a few bucks this year and bet on himself getting another starting job next year - they all do.
Picking on grammar is trite. Shouldn't surprise me from you though.
