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3) I also thought it was very obvious that the ship's captain agreed to take Arya north when he saw the coin and heard the words. Sometimes I wonder what show some of you guys are watching.

FWIW, Sepinwall, who spends his entire life watching/digesting.reviewing television, thinks they're going to Bravos, it's not near as cut and dry as you make it out to be.
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Awesome sauce. My thoughts:

1) Loved the Tyrion denoument. It's only as I reflect on it today, though, that I think "Why didn't he go after Cersei too, while he was offing those that have hurt him?"

Great question. Maybe his sister's hatred of him didn't hurt as much as his father's. Or maybe he viewed his father as the real enemy. Tywin pulls the strings, you have to think he could have stopped that sham of a trial if he wanted to.

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3) I also thought it was very obvious that the ship's captain agreed to take Arya north when he saw the coin and heard the words. Sometimes I wonder what show some of you guys are watching.

FWIW, Sepinwall, who spends his entire life watching/digesting.reviewing television, thinks they're going to Bravos, it's not near as cut and dry as you make it out to be.

Oh, admittedly I could be wrong. That was just how I took it. You're right. I did think those other points were fairly obvious, though.

I didn't take it as he had to bend over backward to do anything she wants, just that he was to protect her.

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3) I also thought it was very obvious that the ship's captain agreed to take Arya north when he saw the coin and heard the words. Sometimes I wonder what show some of you guys are watching.

FWIW, Sepinwall, who spends his entire life watching/digesting.reviewing television, thinks they're going to Bravos, it's not near as cut and dry as you make it out to be.
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She's going to Braavos

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3) I also thought it was very obvious that the ship's captain agreed to take Arya north when he saw the coin and heard the words. Sometimes I wonder what show some of you guys are watching.

FWIW, Sepinwall, who spends his entire life watching/digesting.reviewing television, thinks they're going to Bravos, it's not near as cut and dry as you make it out to be.

Oh, admittedly I could be wrong. That was just how I took it. You're right. I did think those other points were fairly obvious, though.

I didn't take it as he had to bend over backward to do anything she wants, just that he was to protect her.

She's going to Braavos. When she got the coin from that guy and he made her learn the words, it was so she could get passage to Braavos to learn to become an assassin. She wasn't ready/willing at the time she initially got it because she was trying to get back to her mother.

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So, next season, much less focus on King's Landing? Tyrion, Tywin, Joffrey, Shae, Varys, Littlefinger, Sansa, Olenna, the Viper all left there one way or another this year. Those who are left are for the most part not very bright and Lannisters.

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So, next season, much less focus on King's Landing? Tyrion, Tywin, Joffrey, Shae, Varys, Littlefinger, Sansa, Olenna, the Viper all left there one way or another this year. Those who are left are for the most part not very bright and Lannisters.

The characters are really spread all over the damn place. Snow/Stannis crew at the Wall, Bran in a cave, Arya in Bravos, Tyrion and Varys going to (Pentos?), Dany in the slave cities, the Boltons in the North, Cersei/Jaime in KL, Littlefinger/Sansa/ Brienne in the Eyrie.

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3) I also thought it was very obvious that the ship's captain agreed to take Arya north when he saw the coin and heard the words. Sometimes I wonder what show some of you guys are watching.

That's not what the coin is for.

In the "Previously, on Game of Thrones" intro last night, they showed a clip from this scene. The coin doesn't take you north; it takes you to Braavos to find the faceless men.

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3) I also thought it was very obvious that the ship's captain agreed to take Arya north when he saw the coin and heard the words. Sometimes I wonder what show some of you guys are watching.

That's not what the coin is for.

In the "Previously, on Game of Thrones" intro last night, they showed a clip from this scene. The coin doesn't take you north; it takes you to Braavos to find the faceless men.

Do they actually use the term faceless men in the show?

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3) I also thought it was very obvious that the ship's captain agreed to take Arya north when he saw the coin and heard the words. Sometimes I wonder what show some of you guys are watching.

That's not what the coin is for.

In the "Previously, on Game of Thrones" intro last night, they showed a clip from this scene. The coin doesn't take you north; it takes you to Braavos to find the faceless men.

Do they actually use the term faceless men in the show?

It's in the clip I just posted.

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So, next season, much less focus on King's Landing? Tyrion, Tywin, Joffrey, Shae, Varys, Littlefinger, Sansa, Olenna, the Viper all left there one way or another this year. Those who are left are for the most part not very bright and Lannisters.

The characters are really spread all over the damn place. Snow/Stannis crew at the Wall, Bran in a cave, Arya in Bravos, Tyrion and Varys going to (Pentos?), Dany in the slave cities, the Boltons in the North, Cersei/Jaime in KL, Littlefinger/Sansa/ Brienne in the Eyrie.

I feel like we have to get some more frosty zombies next season. Winter has been coming for a long-### time, let's get to it.

Overall I enjoyed watching this season, but I feel we didn't move the story much on a macro level. The individual stories are cool, but in a global sense we just see Stannis spinning his wheels, Dany hasn't been interesting in ages, the king was murdered but that was only interesting because the accused was a great character.

The smaller scale stories like Tyrion / Arya / Jon Snow were cool, but they're somewhat inconsequential in the grand scheme of things at the moment.

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Well, obviously that point was much more debatable than I thought, and I (most likely) took it the wrong way. I admit that I was (most likely) wrong. Having said that, I thought it was obvious that Tywin was dead, and that the dragons weren't left to die.

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So, next season, much less focus on King's Landing? Tyrion, Tywin, Joffrey, Shae, Varys, Littlefinger, Sansa, Olenna, the Viper all left there one way or another this year. Those who are left are for the most part not very bright and Lannisters.

The characters are really spread all over the damn place. Snow/Stannis crew at the Wall, Bran in a cave, Arya in Bravos, Tyrion and Varys going to (Pentos?), Dany in the slave cities, the Boltons in the North, Cersei/Jaime in KL, Littlefinger/Sansa/ Brienne in the Eyrie.

I feel like we have to get some more frosty zombies next season. Winter has been coming for a long-### time, let's get to it.

Overall I enjoyed watching this season, but I feel we didn't move the story much on a macro level. The individual stories are cool, but in a global sense we just see Stannis spinning his wheels, Dany hasn't been interesting in ages, the king was murdered but that was only interesting because the accused was a great character.

The smaller scale stories like Tyrion / Arya / Jon Snow were cool, but they're somewhat inconsequential in the grand scheme of things at the moment.

What, to you, is the "grand scheme"?

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Not sure the time frame in the series, from start to now - can't be much more than 18-months or so. But, in those 18 months, the Starks, Baratheons, and Lannisters have gone from "Great" families to pretty much decimated. Makes you wonder how they survived for generations prior to the start of the show - at least Lannisters and Starks are portrayed as coming from a long-line of leaders. Targaryans have also dropped by 50%, and Danaerys seems to be struggling a bit at the moment.

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Not sure the time frame in the series, from start to now - can't be much more than 18-months or so. But, in those 18 months, the Starks, Baratheons, and Lannisters have gone from "Great" families to pretty much decimated. Makes you wonder how they survived for generations prior to the start of the show - at least Lannisters and Starks are portrayed as coming from a long-line of leaders. Targaryans have also dropped by 50%, and Danaerys seems to be struggling a bit at the moment.

Lannisters didn't come from a long line of leaders.

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Awesome sauce. My thoughts:

1) Loved the Tyrion denoument. It's only as I reflect on it today, though, that I think "Why didn't he go after Cersei too, while he was offing those that have hurt him?" Still great.

2) I thought it was very obvious that the tolling bells meant that Tywin was dead, and the acting job by Varys, where you can actually see him realizing it, and that there is nothing left for him in King's Landing was fantastic.

3) I also thought it was very obvious that the ship's captain agreed to take Arya north when he saw the coin and heard the words. Sometimes I wonder what show some of you guys are watching.

4) Also obvious, Dany did not leave the dragons to die. The poster that said she has made them slaves was spot on.

5) I yelled at my TV the whole time during the Tyrion escape. First it was "Take that you dirty whore!" followed by "Now go kill your Dad!", ultimately ending with "Kill him! Kill him!!!" the whole time during that bathroom encounter. So good.

6) First time in 4 years of season finales that "bad people" have died as opposed to "good people", and the first time that a finale didn't come up everything Dany.

7) Magic children shooting lightning bolts at wights? Awesome.

8) HODOR KICKS ###!!!!!!

9) It took me a couple of hours to be able to go to sleep after all that.

Hodor

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Awesome sauce. My thoughts:

1) Loved the Tyrion denoument. It's only as I reflect on it today, though, that I think "Why didn't he go after Cersei too, while he was offing those that have hurt him?"

Great question. Maybe his sister's hatred of him didn't hurt as much as his father's. Or maybe he viewed his father as the real enemy. Tywin pulls the strings, you have to think he could have stopped that sham of a trial if he wanted to.

from his days of sneaking around as the hand of the king and smuggling shae in and out, I assume he knew it led to a secret passage to the tower of the hand. he is still not dumb enough to go after cersei, who might be pretty far away in another part of the castle and fairly well protected.

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Haven't caught up on all of the posts, but am I the only one who thinks The Hound rolls Brienne? I knew when they started to battle that was it for The Hound, but in reality, she has no shot.

She knocked him off a cliff, so I would say she beat him.
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Haven't caught up on all of the posts, but am I the only one who thinks The Hound rolls Brienne? I knew when they started to battle that was it for The Hound, but in reality, she has no shot.

I think they set up a bit that he was wounded from that bite a couple of eps back.....plus the guy just got done taking a ####. Maybe he hadn't wiped effectively and it was hurting his movement on the field of battle?

Jamie Lannister was one of the three of four best in the kingdom when she fought him to a draw. Admittedly he was weaker from being held captive and in chains......but that set the precedence that she could hang with the "injured elite".

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So, next season, much less focus on King's Landing? Tyrion, Tywin, Joffrey, Shae, Varys, Littlefinger, Sansa, Olenna, the Viper all left there one way or another this year. Those who are left are for the most part not very bright and Lannisters.

The characters are really spread all over the damn place. Snow/Stannis crew at the Wall, Bran in a cave, Arya in Bravos, Tyrion and Varys going to (Pentos?), Dany in the slave cities, the Boltons in the North, Cersei/Jaime in KL, Littlefinger/Sansa/ Brienne in the Eyrie.

I feel like we have to get some more frosty zombies next season. Winter has been coming for a long-### time, let's get to it.

Overall I enjoyed watching this season, but I feel we didn't move the story much on a macro level. The individual stories are cool, but in a global sense we just see Stannis spinning his wheels, Dany hasn't been interesting in ages, the king was murdered but that was only interesting because the accused was a great character.

The smaller scale stories like Tyrion / Arya / Jon Snow were cool, but they're somewhat inconsequential in the grand scheme of things at the moment.

What, to you, is the "grand scheme"?

Not much happened after Joffrey's death re: the throne. And not much happened with the white walkers. I agree there was a fair bit of wheel spinning this season.

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3) I also thought it was very obvious that the ship's captain agreed to take Arya north when he saw the coin and heard the words. Sometimes I wonder what show some of you guys are watching.

FWIW, Sepinwall, who spends his entire life watching/digesting.reviewing television, thinks they're going to Bravos, it's not near as cut and dry as you make it out to be.

Oh, admittedly I could be wrong. That was just how I took it. You're right. I did think those other points were fairly obvious, though.

I didn't take it as he had to bend over backward to do anything she wants, just that he was to protect her.

She's going to Braavos. When she got the coin from that guy and he made her learn the words, it was so she could get passage to Braavos to learn to become an assassin. She wasn't ready/willing at the time she initially got it because she was trying to get back to her mother.

A faceless assassin at that...

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So, next season, much less focus on King's Landing? Tyrion, Tywin, Joffrey, Shae, Varys, Littlefinger, Sansa, Olenna, the Viper all left there one way or another this year. Those who are left are for the most part not very bright and Lannisters.

The characters are really spread all over the damn place. Snow/Stannis crew at the Wall, Bran in a cave, Arya in Bravos, Tyrion and Varys going to (Pentos?), Dany in the slave cities, the Boltons in the North, Cersei/Jaime in KL, Littlefinger/Sansa/ Brienne in the Eyrie.

I feel like we have to get some more frosty zombies next season. Winter has been coming for a long-### time, let's get to it.

Overall I enjoyed watching this season, but I feel we didn't move the story much on a macro level. The individual stories are cool, but in a global sense we just see Stannis spinning his wheels, Dany hasn't been interesting in ages, the king was murdered but that was only interesting because the accused was a great character.

The smaller scale stories like Tyrion / Arya / Jon Snow were cool, but they're somewhat inconsequential in the grand scheme of things at the moment.

What, to you, is the "grand scheme"?

Not much happened after Joffrey's death re: the throne. And not much happened with the white walkers. I agree there was a fair bit of wheel spinning this season.

Tywin died, the Vale is now essentially under the control fo Littlefinger, Varys is exiled, Stannis now has an army funded by the Iron Bank, the relationship with Dorne is questionable because of the death of the Viper and Daenrys excommunicated her longest and most trusted advisor. Of course, that ignores the undertones that the trouble North of the wall is the real threat to everything where we had the Boltons secure the North, Jon Snow essentially become the leader of the Night's Watch, Mance Rayderr's army defeated and Bran meet a bunch of elves and an old wizard who lives under a tree.

You're right. Nothing happened this season.

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So, next season, much less focus on King's Landing? Tyrion, Tywin, Joffrey, Shae, Varys, Littlefinger, Sansa, Olenna, the Viper all left there one way or another this year. Those who are left are for the most part not very bright and Lannisters.

Seems to be the perfect time for Stannis to attack, but he's in another corner of the kingdom.

I assume Jamie becomes the leader of the KL army, with Cersei controlling Tommen as the political head.

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So, next season, much less focus on King's Landing? Tyrion, Tywin, Joffrey, Shae, Varys, Littlefinger, Sansa, Olenna, the Viper all left there one way or another this year. Those who are left are for the most part not very bright and Lannisters.

Seems to be the perfect time for Stannis to attack, but he's in another corner of the kingdom.

I assume Jamie becomes the leader of the KL army, with Cersei controlling Tommen as the political head.

Jamie is in the kings guard, I think thats just like the nights watch, once you are in, you are in forever.

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Ok im on board with Arya heading to Braavos.

I still think we shouldnt write Tywin off yet. Grand Maester B, practictioner of the dark arts, had a scene for a reason and it wasnt to bring back an inconsequential brute like the Mountain. I still think he uses his same black magic on the hand of the king. That is if Cersei lets him. Maybe she is offered but turns it down.

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Haven't caught up on all of the posts, but am I the only one who thinks The Hound rolls Brienne? I knew when they started to battle that was it for The Hound, but in reality, she has no shot.

I think they set up a bit that he was wounded from that bite a couple of eps back.....plus the guy just got done taking a ####. Maybe he hadn't wiped effectively and it was hurting his movement on the field of battle?

Jamie Lannister was one of the three of four best in the kingdom when she fought him to a draw. Admittedly he was weaker from being held captive and in chains......but that set the precedence that she could hang with the "injured elite".

Didn't she also beat Loras to win that tournament that Renly was having early in season 2?

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Kings Landing is still the center of the story though. Cersei vs Maergery for control of Tommen?

I don't see how Maergery has any leverage other than her #####...which isn't powerful enough to override Tommens mother.

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So, next season, much less focus on King's Landing? Tyrion, Tywin, Joffrey, Shae, Varys, Littlefinger, Sansa, Olenna, the Viper all left there one way or another this year. Those who are left are for the most part not very bright and Lannisters.

Seems to be the perfect time for Stannis to attack, but he's in another corner of the kingdom.

I assume Jamie becomes the leader of the KL army, with Cersei controlling Tommen as the political head.

Stannis is going to have to get through the Bolton army first.

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Haven't caught up on all of the posts, but am I the only one who thinks The Hound rolls Brienne? I knew when they started to battle that was it for The Hound, but in reality, she has no shot.

I think they set up a bit that he was wounded from that bite a couple of eps back.....plus the guy just got done taking a ####. Maybe he hadn't wiped effectively and it was hurting his movement on the field of battle?

Jamie Lannister was one of the three of four best in the kingdom when she fought him to a draw. Admittedly he was weaker from being held captive and in chains......but that set the precedence that she could hang with the "injured elite".

Didn't she also beat Loras to win that tournament that Renly was having early in season 2?

Yep. Brienne is SUPER ELITE UPPER TIER.

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Not sure the time frame in the series, from start to now - can't be much more than 18-months or so. But, in those 18 months, the Starks, Baratheons, and Lannisters have gone from "Great" families to pretty much decimated. Makes you wonder how they survived for generations prior to the start of the show - at least Lannisters and Starks are portrayed as coming from a long-line of leaders. Targaryans have also dropped by 50%, and Danaerys seems to be struggling a bit at the moment.

war has a tendency to kill people.

House stark is pretty much toast in the eyes of the realm.

before the north was just left alone until jon arryn died and Ned was asked to be hand of the king

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So, next season, much less focus on King's Landing? Tyrion, Tywin, Joffrey, Shae, Varys, Littlefinger, Sansa, Olenna, the Viper all left there one way or another this year. Those who are left are for the most part not very bright and Lannisters.

Seems to be the perfect time for Stannis to attack, but he's in another corner of the kingdom.

I assume Jamie becomes the leader of the KL army, with Cersei controlling Tommen as the political head.

Jamie is in the kings guard, I think thats just like the nights watch, once you are in, you are in forever.

His Dad the Hand was getting him out.

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Kings Landing is still the center of the story though. Cersei vs Maergery for control of Tommen?

I don't see how Maergery has any leverage other than her #####...which isn't powerful enough to override Tommens mother.

That's some pretty good leverage. Especially as first and only #####.

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So, next season, much less focus on King's Landing? Tyrion, Tywin, Joffrey, Shae, Varys, Littlefinger, Sansa, Olenna, the Viper all left there one way or another this year. Those who are left are for the most part not very bright and Lannisters.

Seems to be the perfect time for Stannis to attack, but he's in another corner of the kingdom.

I assume Jamie becomes the leader of the KL army, with Cersei controlling Tommen as the political head.

Jamie is in the kings guard, I think thats just like the nights watch, once you are in, you are in forever.

That #### didn't help Barristan Selmy....or The Hound for that matter.

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Kings Landing is still the center of the story though. Cersei vs Maergery for control of Tommen?

I don't see how Maergery has any leverage other than her #####...which isn't powerful enough to override Tommens mother.

That's some pretty good leverage. Especially as first and only #####.

True...but unless Tommen matures into Joffrey in the offseason, I don't see him standing up to Cersei any time soon.

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Haven't caught up on all of the posts, but am I the only one who thinks The Hound rolls Brienne? I knew when they started to battle that was it for The Hound, but in reality, she has no shot.

I think they set up a bit that he was wounded from that bite a couple of eps back.....plus the guy just got done taking a ####. Maybe he hadn't wiped effectively and it was hurting his movement on the field of battle?

Jamie Lannister was one of the three of four best in the kingdom when she fought him to a draw. Admittedly he was weaker from being held captive and in chains......but that set the precedence that she could hang with the "injured elite".

Didn't she also beat Loras to win that tournament that Renly was having early in season 2?

Yep. Brienne is SUPER ELITE UPPER TIER.

She's a mid-carder....Tito Santana-esque. She can dominate the jobbers and ham n eggers of Westeros AND if she catches a top level heel on a bad day...she can pull of an upset.

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So, next season, much less focus on King's Landing? Tyrion, Tywin, Joffrey, Shae, Varys, Littlefinger, Sansa, Olenna, the Viper all left there one way or another this year. Those who are left are for the most part not very bright and Lannisters.

Seems to be the perfect time for Stannis to attack, but he's in another corner of the kingdom.

I assume Jamie becomes the leader of the KL army, with Cersei controlling Tommen as the political head.

Jamie is in the kings guard, I think thats just like the nights watch, once you are in, you are in forever.

That #### didn't help Barristan Selmy....or The Hound for that matter.

true a king can do as they like, was the hound a white cloak? or just the jofferys personal guard?

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So, next season, much less focus on King's Landing? Tyrion, Tywin, Joffrey, Shae, Varys, Littlefinger, Sansa, Olenna, the Viper all left there one way or another this year. Those who are left are for the most part not very bright and Lannisters.

The characters are really spread all over the damn place. Snow/Stannis crew at the Wall, Bran in a cave, Arya in Bravos, Tyrion and Varys going to (Pentos?), Dany in the slave cities, the Boltons in the North, Cersei/Jaime in KL, Littlefinger/Sansa/ Brienne in the Eyrie.
I feel like we have to get some more frosty zombies next season. Winter has been coming for a long-### time, let's get to it.

Overall I enjoyed watching this season, but I feel we didn't move the story much on a macro level. The individual stories are cool, but in a global sense we just see Stannis spinning his wheels, Dany hasn't been interesting in ages, the king was murdered but that was only interesting because the accused was a great character.

The smaller scale stories like Tyrion / Arya / Jon Snow were cool, but they're somewhat inconsequential in the grand scheme of things at the moment.

What, to you, is the "grand scheme"?

Not much happened after Joffrey's death re: the throne. And not much happened with the white walkers. I agree there was a fair bit of wheel spinning this season.

Tywin died, the Vale is now essentially under the control fo Littlefinger, Varys is exiled, Stannis now has an army funded by the Iron Bank, the relationship with Dorne is questionable because of the death of the Viper and Daenrys excommunicated her longest and most trusted advisor. Of course, that ignores the undertones that the trouble North of the wall is the real threat to everything where we had the Boltons secure the North, Jon Snow essentially become the leader of the Night's Watch, Mance Rayderr's army defeated and Bran meet a bunch of elves and an old wizard who lives under a tree.

You're right. Nothing happened this season.

looked to me like that old wizard was part of the tree. he didn't seem too mobile

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