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He played very well. The noise or defense never had him rattled and his ability to extend plays without making mistakes against that defense in that situation is very commendable.

He is going to be a starting QB in this league, and he's going to have moments of brilliance. I'm still not sure what that translates to long term, but his arrow is pointing way up.

I hope he can keep his nose clean this summer and see what he can do with a full offseason as the man.

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His argument is pretty ridiculous, but there's really no reason to bring up Ferguson or the I can't breathe protests in response. Pretty poor taste here guys.

He played very well. The noise or defense never had him rattled and his ability to extend plays without making mistakes against that defense in that situation is very commendable.

He is going to be a starting QB in this league, and he's going to have moments of brilliance. I'm still not sure what that translates to long term, but his arrow is pointing way up.

I hope he can keep his nose clean this summer and see what he can do with a full offseason as the man.

Agreed. And if I am the Browns, I make him the starter next season and go with it. No one in the draft I love at QB so what the heck? I'd rather have Manziel in real life than Kaepernick too.

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I dunno. I've justified Colt McCoy, Brian Hoyer and even Brandon Weeden in the past five years after they looked good in stretches. This team is just so atrocious it's hard to get a good read or feel good about anything one player is doing. Whoever the new coach/GM is will have their own opinion of Manziel so that's gonna factor in quite a bit toward his future in CLE.

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I don't know if Manziel is the answer or not, but if the Browns keep swapping out first round QB's so quickly, they will never find out.

If I were the Browns owner: Fire Pettine, Fire Farmer. Bring in a coach or wants to and can work with Johnny, someone who is not tied to a system, but will tailor a system around Johnny's strengths. Draft some help for Johnny on Offense. Give him a full season to prove himself (unless off the field problems continue to re-surface).

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I don't know if Manziel is the answer or not, but if the Browns keep swapping out first round QB's so quickly, they will never find out.

If I were the Browns owner: Fire Pettine, Fire Farmer. Bring in a coach or wants to and can work with Johnny, someone who is not tied to a system, but will tailor a system around Johnny's strengths. Draft some help for Johnny on Offense. Give him a full season to prove himself (unless off the field problems continue to re-surface).

Browns haven't used many 1st round QB's. Tim Couch withstanding, they all needed to be replaced too.

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Josh Gordon.

Mr. Reliable!

Not yet. But lord knows the talent is there -- the guy was completely dominant. If these two can both keep their noses clean -- and maybe that's a big if -- they sky is the limit. Could be an absolute fantasy powerhouse.

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Quinn in 2007 (1st)

McCoy in 2010 (3rd)

Weeden in 2012 (1st)

Manziel in 2014 (1st)

That's a lot of potential talent elsewhere going into the QB position. Throwing another high pick at QB in 2016 further robs the team of talent outside of QB.

Yes, QB is the most important position. But if the QB has bad talent around him that makes it harder for the QB to have success.

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I don't know if Manziel is the answer or not, but if the Browns keep swapping out first round QB's so quickly, they will never find out.

If I were the Browns owner: Fire Pettine, Fire Farmer. Bring in a coach or wants to and can work with Johnny, someone who is not tied to a system, but will tailor a system around Johnny's strengths. Draft some help for Johnny on Offense. Give him a full season to prove himself (unless off the field problems continue to re-surface).

Browns haven't used many 1st round QB's. Tim Couch withstanding, they all needed to be replaced too.

That is the thing that most people miss. The only high pick the Browns have used drafting a QB was Tim Couch back in 1999. The other 'first round' QBs drafted, Brady Quinn, Brandon Weeden, and Johnny Manziel, were all late first round picks taken with 22nd picks.

Add Tim Couch had no chance to succeed with an expansion roster that lacked, OT Joe Thomas, C Alex Mack, TE Gary Barnidge, or even viable RBs like Crow/Duke or a speed WR like Travis Benjamin who can take the top off a D before factoring in the likely return of an NFL leading receiver like JG. Couch's starting WRs in 1999:

- Kevin Johnson

- Darrin Chiaverini

At tight end he had an old broken down.

- Irv Smith

His starting RB was:

- Abdul-Karim Al-Jabbar

I don't know if the QBs in this upcoming draft class hold legit franchise QB potential but the Browns haven't had franchise QB play since the return and even if Johnny has that sort of potential the ever present risk of an off-field incident means the team has to consider a QB with the top pick.

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Quinn in 2007 (1st)

McCoy in 2010 (3rd)

Weeden in 2012 (1st)

Manziel in 2014 (1st)

That's a lot of potential talent elsewhere going into the QB position. Throwing another high pick at QB in 2016 further robs the team of talent outside of QB.

Yes, QB is the most important position. But if the QB has bad talent around him that makes it harder for the QB to have success.

I make this argument too, but there's a very strong counter - when the Browns don't pick QB they pick Justin Gilbert, Barkevious Mingo, Phil Taylor, etc. Joe Thomas, Joe Haden, and Alex Mack* are the only meaningful players to make it to their second contract in the last 10 years or so of drafting. When you draft badly your team will suck. When you draft badly and don't have a QB then you're the Browns.

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Quinn in 2007 (1st)

McCoy in 2010 (3rd)

Weeden in 2012 (1st)

Manziel in 2014 (1st)

That's a lot of potential talent elsewhere going into the QB position. Throwing another high pick at QB in 2016 further robs the team of talent outside of QB.

Yes, QB is the most important position. But if the QB has bad talent around him that makes it harder for the QB to have success.

I make this argument too, but there's a very strong counter - when the Browns don't pick QB they pick Justin Gilbert, Barkevious Mingo, Phil Taylor, etc. Joe Thomas, Joe Haden, and Alex Mack* are the only meaningful players to make it to their second contract in the last 10 years or so of drafting. When you draft badly your team will suck. When you draft badly and don't have a QB then you're the Browns.

Reasonable point. I guess if they do bring in a new GM, he just needs to evaluate what kind of QB the Browns can get where they pick, and whether he wants to give Johnny some more time or start fresh with someone new. Out of curiousity, when Cleveland traded the 4th pick 2 years ago, would they have taken Bortles if he fell to number 4?

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Quinn in 2007 (1st)

McCoy in 2010 (3rd)

Weeden in 2012 (1st)

Manziel in 2014 (1st)

That's a lot of potential talent elsewhere going into the QB position. Throwing another high pick at QB in 2016 further robs the team of talent outside of QB.

Yes, QB is the most important position. But if the QB has bad talent around him that makes it harder for the QB to have success.

I make this argument too, but there's a very strong counter - when the Browns don't pick QB they pick Justin Gilbert, Barkevious Mingo, Phil Taylor, etc. Joe Thomas, Joe Haden, and Alex Mack* are the only meaningful players to make it to their second contract in the last 10 years or so of drafting. When you draft badly your team will suck. When you draft badly and don't have a QB then you're the Browns.

Fair enough, but if they are unable to draft other positions what makes you think that they will get a QB right?

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I don't know if Manziel is the answer or not, but if the Browns keep swapping out first round QB's so quickly, they will never find out.

If I were the Browns owner: Fire Pettine, Fire Farmer. Bring in a coach or wants to and can work with Johnny, someone who is not tied to a system, but will tailor a system around Johnny's strengths. Draft some help for Johnny on Offense. Give him a full season to prove himself (unless off the field problems continue to re-surface).

I have warmed up enough to Johnny to share this view.

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Quinn in 2007 (1st)

McCoy in 2010 (3rd)

Weeden in 2012 (1st)

Manziel in 2014 (1st)

That's a lot of potential talent elsewhere going into the QB position. Throwing another high pick at QB in 2016 further robs the team of talent outside of QB.

Yes, QB is the most important position. But if the QB has bad talent around him that makes it harder for the QB to have success.

I make this argument too, but there's a very strong counter - when the Browns don't pick QB they pick Justin Gilbert, Barkevious Mingo, Phil Taylor, etc. Joe Thomas, Joe Haden, and Alex Mack* are the only meaningful players to make it to their second contract in the last 10 years or so of drafting. When you draft badly your team will suck. When you draft badly and don't have a QB then you're the Browns.

Fair enough, but if they are unable to draft other positions what makes you think that they will get a QB right?
I expect everything they do to not work.
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Quinn in 2007 (1st)

McCoy in 2010 (3rd)

Weeden in 2012 (1st)

Manziel in 2014 (1st)

That's a lot of potential talent elsewhere going into the QB position. Throwing another high pick at QB in 2016 further robs the team of talent outside of QB.

Yes, QB is the most important position. But if the QB has bad talent around him that makes it harder for the QB to have success.

I make this argument too, but there's a very strong counter - when the Browns don't pick QB they pick Justin Gilbert, Barkevious Mingo, Phil Taylor, etc. Joe Thomas, Joe Haden, and Alex Mack* are the only meaningful players to make it to their second contract in the last 10 years or so of drafting. When you draft badly your team will suck. When you draft badly and don't have a QB then you're the Browns.

Fair enough, but if they are unable to draft other positions what makes you think that they will get a QB right?
I expect everything they do to not work.

9/10 Nihilists support Manziel as Browns QB in 2016

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Quinn in 2007 (1st)

McCoy in 2010 (3rd)

Weeden in 2012 (1st)

Manziel in 2014 (1st)

That's a lot of potential talent elsewhere going into the QB position. Throwing another high pick at QB in 2016 further robs the team of talent outside of QB.

Yes, QB is the most important position. But if the QB has bad talent around him that makes it harder for the QB to have success.

I make this argument too, but there's a very strong counter - when the Browns don't pick QB they pick Justin Gilbert, Barkevious Mingo, Phil Taylor, etc. Joe Thomas, Joe Haden, and Alex Mack* are the only meaningful players to make it to their second contract in the last 10 years or so of drafting. When you draft badly your team will suck. When you draft badly and don't have a QB then you're the Browns.

Reasonable point. I guess if they do bring in a new GM, he just needs to evaluate what kind of QB the Browns can get where they pick, and whether he wants to give Johnny some more time or start fresh with someone new. Out of curiousity, when Cleveland traded the 4th pick 2 years ago, would they have taken Bortles if he fell to number 4?

I don't think so. If they stayed put I think it'd have been Sammy.
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I don't know if Manziel is the answer or not, but if the Browns keep swapping out first round QB's so quickly, they will never find out.

If I were the Browns owner: Fire Pettine, Fire Farmer. Bring in a coach or wants to and can work with Johnny, someone who is not tied to a system, but will tailor a system around Johnny's strengths. Draft some help for Johnny on Offense. Give him a full season to prove himself (unless off the field problems continue to re-surface).

Or do the Kirk Cousins thing and pick another promising QB to pair up with him. At a minimum Manziel needs the pressure.

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He makes real ugly throws but the dude is fun to watch. Chicken with his head cut off a few times today.

Love the rushing yards.

he scored what 13 points?
The wounded ducks and terrible foot work are a lot more concerning than this. His weapons are no better than what Eli is working with on SNF. This is what happens when you have a front office surrounding their qb with guys that don't score points.
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I don't know if the QBs in this upcoming draft class hold legit franchise QB potential but the Browns haven't had franchise QB play since the return and even if Johnny has that sort of potential the ever present risk of an off-field incident means the team has to consider a QB with the top pick.

My guess is they're not going to have Joe Thomas and I would be afraid Mack follows him. Ya got that whole trade rumor that was pretty strong with many sources around the deadline and then recently Thomas said "I want to play for a winner." They gotta do something to try and keep Thomas (happy) and then Mack.

McCown seemed to do well with Johnny and I liked a lot of what I read about the two of them. Sometimes Pettine's comments were also favorable. He's under contract til 2017 and costs 2.5 or so to cut next year.

A 3rd QB can be picked up in week 1 usually and there's always Pryor.

They're gonna have to sit down with Joe T and since Tackles are at the top of the draft, I figure they are drafting one. Either he gets replaced or he gets a rook to teach.

I like the trenches in this draft and think all the lesser teams in the NFL need to try and figure out how to trade for more picks in round 1 and 2 to get as many as possible. It could be a very boring and big impact draft for the right team. Most every bad team seems to spend too much time rotating skill position players and never the all important linemen that pave the way for their success.

Adding a top CB, for the Browns version of Cro n Revis, with Haden would be interesting.

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I don't know if Manziel is the answer or not, but if the Browns keep swapping out first round QB's so quickly, they will never find out.

If I were the Browns owner: Fire Pettine, Fire Farmer. Bring in a coach or wants to and can work with Johnny, someone who is not tied to a system, but will tailor a system around Johnny's strengths. Draft some help for Johnny on Offense. Give him a full season to prove himself (unless off the field problems continue to re-surface).

Or do the Kirk Cousins thing and pick another promising QB to pair up with him. At a minimum Manziel needs the pressure.

I'm not sure a rook is going to do a thing to McCown. If he can't beat out Manziel then that's a high pick spent for a 3rd stringer and then I'd be onto "Is Pryor better than him now as a panic QB?"

Browns can't afford to miss.

I think they get way more mileage out of a top T or DL

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I don't know if the QBs in this upcoming draft class hold legit franchise QB potential but the Browns haven't had franchise QB play since the return and even if Johnny has that sort of potential the ever present risk of an off-field incident means the team has to consider a QB with the top pick.

My guess is they're not going to have Joe Thomas and I would be afraid Mack follows him. Ya got that whole trade rumor that was pretty strong with many sources around the deadline and then recently Thomas said "I want to play for a winner." They gotta do something to try and keep Thomas (happy) and then Mack.

McCown seemed to do well with Johnny and I liked a lot of what I read about the two of them. Sometimes Pettine's comments were also favorable. He's under contract til 2017 and costs 2.5 or so to cut next year.

A 3rd QB can be picked up in week 1 usually and there's always Pryor.

They're gonna have to sit down with Joe T and since Tackles are at the top of the draft, I figure they are drafting one. Either he gets replaced or he gets a rook to teach.

I like the trenches in this draft and think all the lesser teams in the NFL need to try and figure out how to trade for more picks in round 1 and 2 to get as many as possible. It could be a very boring and big impact draft for the right team. Most every bad team seems to spend too much time rotating skill position players and never the all important linemen that pave the way for their success.

Adding a top CB, for the Browns version of Cro n Revis, with Haden would be interesting.

- Mack is the one whose contract is on a yearly basis that has a no-trade clause meaning we are completely at his mercy and he recently was asked if he would be back and he said 'He wanted to play for a winner.' Joe Thomas has said he wanted to stay with the team and be here when it turns around because he wanted to play for a winner but the emphasis was that he wanted to be with the Browns when they won.

- McCown has done well but he's in his mid thirties so you can't build around him. Pryor isn't an NFL QB, he's had multiple shots at it with different teams. Heck he's not an NFL WR but he's only been doing that for less than one year.

- Their isn't any quick fix for the team. They've blown the last six of seven first round picks. They need a legitimate blue chip GM first and foremost.

- The press-man scheme that Pettine learned from Rex isn't working. See Buffalo and their defensive meltdown this year but Rex is better at running the scheme than Pettine/O'Neil and Rex has far better personnel so its the scheme. It doesn't work in todays NFL.

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Who is taking these videos????? And why is it 10 seconds long?

So he went out with his texas family and friends on a bye week, and had a drink on xmas eve. That bastard.

Maybe Pettine should just shut up and go out drinking with him instead.

They can talk about not being on the Browns anymore in a couple weeks

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lol. He is what he is. He's not going to stop being a frat boy. His bigger problem.is that he's a moron who keeps having videos posted. One of the dumbest players I can remember.

McCown is out, the Browns are terrible, and Manziel is better than Austin Davis. I doubt him or Petine are on the team next year.

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This latest vid seems like the biggest non-story. They're drinking Four Loko listening to a pop song. Given that Mike Evans framed jersey is in the background he's presumably....oh jeebus what a stupid item, not even worth reporting.

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This latest vid seems like the biggest non-story. They're drinking Four Loko listening to a pop song. Given that Mike Evans framed jersey is in the background he's presumably....oh jeebus what a stupid item, not even worth reporting.

crap on a cracker how in sweet Jesus after everything that has happened can you consider this a "non-story"?

Apologies if you are being sarcastic.

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I get that there is absolutely nothing in that video that should really rile anybody up.

But at what point does a professional stop and say "I've gotten in so much trouble posting videos that maybe it would be a good idea to stop posting videos. I can keep having fun, just not show the world."

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Gee golly willickers, what in sam hell is that young lad doing videophoning himself talking in cadence to some weird sounding blues number? Johnny Unitas would never do that.

if you are narrow minded and compartmentalize these things then yeah it's no big deal. But when you look at the big picture and open your mind it's a rather easy situation to see.
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Gee golly willickers, what in sam hell is that young lad doing videophoning himself talking in cadence to some weird sounding blues number? Johnny Unitas would never do that.

if you are narrow minded and compartmentalize these things then yeah it's no big deal. But when you look at the big picture and open your mind it's a rather easy situation to see.

He should get 10 paddles to his bare behind and then stand in the corner for 15 minutes. I certainly will not condone young adults posting vines of themselves doing nothing wrong.

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Gee golly willickers, what in sam hell is that young lad doing videophoning himself talking in cadence to some weird sounding blues number? Johnny Unitas would never do that.

if you are narrow minded and compartmentalize these things then yeah it's no big deal. But when you look at the big picture and open your mind it's a rather easy situation to see.

He should get 10 paddles to his bare behind and then stand in the corner for 15 minutes. I certainly will not condone young adults posting vines of themselves doing nothing wrong.
i know you are being obtuse intentionally. If not I question how you tie your shoes.
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Gee golly willickers, what in sam hell is that young lad doing videophoning himself talking in cadence to some weird sounding blues number? Johnny Unitas would never do that.

if you are narrow minded and compartmentalize these things then yeah it's no big deal. But when you look at the big picture and open your mind it's a rather easy situation to see.

He should get 10 paddles to his bare behind and then stand in the corner for 15 minutes. I certainly will not condone young adults posting vines of themselves doing nothing wrong.

This.

I get that there are a ton of people that are ready to pile on the kid, but this video is a complete non issue. Manziel is by no means perfect, and has had a couple of hiccups along the way. He still needs to mature, but this video in any picture big or small is really not a big deal.

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Can't believe an adult had an adult beverage during his week off on Christmas Eve. Unbeleivable!!!!

His friend was drinking a malt liquor energy drink. We can't have that in the NFL. The shield is better than this.

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13/32/136/0/1/40.6.

Well we can be sure his drinking doesn't affect his on field performance. Pettine just hates people having fun on Christmas Eve. He's a a pro football head coach who has nothing better to do than be a judgmental jerk trying to punish behavior he just doesn't personally like. Yeah that's it.

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Yet another video of Johnny Manziel partying has emerged, this one apparently taken from Christmas Eve, that would appear to be the kind of thing the Cleveland Browns told him not to do.

Busted Coverage posted the video — all 10 seconds of it — on its Instagram site showing Manziel appearing to drink Four Loko, an alcoholic energy drink, along with a friend, while dancing and rapping.

Browns head coach Mike Pettine hadn't seen the video when he spoke with Cleveland-area media on Monday, and he said that Manziel could be benched in the 2015 season finale and that the "repercussions would be harsh" if his quarterback is found to be in violation of his agreement with the team.

The team told Manziel previously it wanted no more social media videos of Manziel partying, and that appears to be exactly what this was.

I've been pretty supportive of JM and wanted to see him do well. But if the above is true, if the team expressly told him not to do this very thing, and he turned around and did it, then I truly have to believe he has issues. Big issues. Issues that make this a huge red flag.

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Yet another video of Johnny Manziel partying has emerged, this one apparently taken from Christmas Eve, that would appear to be the kind of thing the Cleveland Browns told him not to do.

Busted Coverage posted the video all 10 seconds of it on its Instagram site showing Manziel appearing to drink Four Loko, an alcoholic energy drink, along with a friend, while dancing and rapping.

Browns head coach Mike Pettine hadn't seen the video when he spoke with Cleveland-area media on Monday, and he said that Manziel could be benched in the 2015 season finale and that the "repercussions would be harsh" if his quarterback is found to be in violation of his agreement with the team.

The team told Manziel previously it wanted no more social media videos of Manziel partying, and that appears to be exactly what this was.

I've been pretty supportive of JM and wanted to see him do well. But if the above is true, if the team expressly told him not to do this very thing, and he turned around and did it, then I truly have to believe he has issues. Big issues. Issues that make this a huge red flag.
His biggest issue is that he's not a good quarterback. 40 pp adder rating again and only 13 points. He just doesn't have it. The fact that he's an idiot and can't stop partying and is dumb enough to keep having himself recorded, is just gravy. If he was a decent player, it might be overlooked.
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