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California will be out of water in one year (1 Viewer)

dickey moe said:
cstu said:
As expensive as say desalination is, Israel is producing desalinated water at almost 50 cents per cubic meter (264 gallons). That's a little more than what the average California household uses (360 gallons).

About $1 a day per household is what we're are talking for desalinated water.
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If only high-speed rail funds could be funneled into something productive like this.
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The high-speed rail could quickly take you somewhere with water :shrug:

 
Keerock said:
dickey moe said:
cstu said:
As expensive as say desalination is, Israel is producing desalinated water at almost 50 cents per cubic meter (264 gallons). That's a little more than what the average California household uses (360 gallons).

About $1 a day per household is what we're are talking for desalinated water.
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If only high-speed rail funds could be funneled into something productive like this.
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The high-speed rail could quickly take you somewhere with water :shrug:
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Quit being such an unfrozen caveman lawyer.
 
dickey moe said:
Keerock said:
dickey moe said:
cstu said:
As expensive as say desalination is, Israel is producing desalinated water at almost 50 cents per cubic meter (264 gallons). That's a little more than what the average California household uses (360 gallons).

About $1 a day per household is what we're are talking for desalinated water.
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If only high-speed rail funds could be funneled into something productive like this.
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The high-speed rail could quickly take you somewhere with water :shrug:
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Quit being such an unfrozen caveman lawyer.
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Your world frightens and confuses me.

 
Keerock said:
dickey moe said:
Keerock said:
dickey moe said:
cstu said:
As expensive as say desalination is, Israel is producing desalinated water at almost 50 cents per cubic meter (264 gallons). That's a little more than what the average California household uses (360 gallons).

About $1 a day per household is what we're are talking for desalinated water.
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If only high-speed rail funds could be funneled into something productive like this.
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The high-speed rail could quickly take you somewhere with water :shrug:
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Quit being such an unfrozen caveman lawyer.
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Your world frightens and confuses me.
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Me too, exactly, at least it would be exactly if one added "and it occasionally arouses me, often at inexplicable, embarrassing, or inconvenient moments".

 
FreeBaGeL said:
Jobber said:
I saw a news story the other day about problems here in Minnesota with overuse of water, and that we're depleting our underground supply - which is where the vast majority of MN gets their water. So it's not just California who's dumb with their water usage. And don't forget about the fact that the Ogallala Aquifer is going to run dry at some point. Leaving a huge swath of farming country in the lurch having to rely solely on rain for their crops.
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It's no different here in Utah. The lakes and reservoirs are at all-time lows and, combined with the lack of snow this winter, I'm pretty sure we're planning on drinking sand this summer.

But hey, everyone's got some pretty sweet looking bright green lawns out here in the middle of the desert!
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Always bugged me when I lived in Salt Lake. Folks living in the desert but with perfect little English lawns and gardens. What could go wrong?

:loco:

 
California is the nation's #1 agricultural producer, but agriculture only contributes 3% overall to the California economy. It also consumes 80% of the state's developed water supply.

 
jonessed said:
Ditka Butkus said:
cstu said:
Desalination is the solution if things get much worse. Everything costs more here so why not water?
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It should be in place long before they let it get worse.
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Long-term infrastructure planning like that just doesn't happen around here. It's hard enough getting simple #### done.
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True, but in this case procrastination has worked because the tech keeps getting more efficient and less costly.

 
Chaos Commish said:
California is the nation's #1 agricultural producer, but agriculture only contributes 3% overall to the California economy. It also consumes 80% of the state's developed water supply.
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California's GDP from that 3% is higher than the total GDP of 8 states.

 
Desalination is a great idea. In addition to supplying water to California it will offset the rise in sea level due to global warming.

 
Chaos Commish said:
California is the nation's #1 agricultural producer, but agriculture only contributes 3% overall to the California economy. It also consumes 80% of the state's developed water supply.
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And 43% of those farms are using inefficient irrigation methods which wastes a whole lot of water. Perhaps they should stop growing hugely water sucking crops like rice and alfalfa in the desert and start growing more water efficient crops.

 
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Tennessee_ATO said:
SacramentoBob said:
cstu said:
Chaos Commish said:
California is the nation's #1 agricultural producer, but agriculture only contributes 3% overall to the California economy. It also consumes 80% of the state's developed water supply.
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California's GDP from that 3% is higher than the total GDP of 8 states.
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Hurray inefficiency.
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It's not necessarily inefficient. Ya gotta eat.
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And FWIW, that 80% figure is outdated. More like 46% now.

 
Tennessee_ATO said:
Tennessee_ATO said:
SacramentoBob said:
cstu said:
Chaos Commish said:
California is the nation's #1 agricultural producer, but agriculture only contributes 3% overall to the California economy. It also consumes 80% of the state's developed water supply.
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California's GDP from that 3% is higher than the total GDP of 8 states.
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Hurray inefficiency.
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It's not necessarily inefficient. Ya gotta eat.
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And FWIW, that 80% figure is outdated. More like 46% now.
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It's all in the accounting. I'm comfortable with the 80% figure and some ranchlands project calculated 83% for last year. By accounting, I understand you can add environmental use (which is primarily undeveloped water supplies) and get us under 50% for agriculture. That's why my quote says developed water supply.

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http://www.pge.com/includes/docs/pdfs/shared/edusafety/training/pec/water/blaine-hanson_water_forum_complete.pdf

 
GroveDiesel said:
Chaos Commish said:
California is the nation's #1 agricultural producer, but agriculture only contributes 3% overall to the California economy. It also consumes 80% of the state's developed water supply.
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And 43% of those farms are using inefficient irrigation methods which wastes a whole lot of water. Perhaps they should stop growing hugely water sucking crops like rice and alfalfa in the desert and start growing more water efficient crops.
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Almonds are the greatest water user, but they take up a lot more acreage than rice and alfalfa, which acre for acre are really disturbing, I agree. I drive by several hundred acres of alfalfa in the Mojave Desert all the time. In midsummer the irrigation pumps run 24/7... owned by a dairy, cow feed. Eesh.

If I had a point with the stats though, it was the rest of the country should ease up on the criticism since we're going dry feeding it.

eta: just shutup and send us some water, thanks.

 
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GroveDiesel said:
Chaos Commish said:
California is the nation's #1 agricultural producer, but agriculture only contributes 3% overall to the California economy. It also consumes 80% of the state's developed water supply.
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And 43% of those farms are using inefficient irrigation methods which wastes a whole lot of water. Perhaps they should stop growing hugely water sucking crops like rice and alfalfa in the desert and start growing more water efficient crops.
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Shut your sense making mouth....

 
Apple Jack said:
Ohio guy talking smack about California. :lmao:
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The good comes with the bad :shrug: Yes, there are a lot of nice places in Cali but there are a lot of governmental issues, droughts, earthquakes, high taxes, high cost of living, and the list goes on and on...

 
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xulf said:
Apple Jack said:
Ohio guy talking smack about California. :lmao:
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The good comes with the bad :shrug:

Yes, there is a lot of nice places in Cali but there are a lot of governmental issues, droughts, earthquakes, high taxes, high cost of living, and the list goes on and on...
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...great restaurants, jobs, beaches, weather, ski resorts, yosemite, joshua tree, climbing routes, rivers to raft, hot chicks, live music, vibrant people, casinos, access to Baja, camping, havisu houseboating, mountain climbing, decriminalized weed, vegas road trips, tahoe road trips, the best sushi outside of Japan, did I mention the weather?

Life is short. The cost of living is a small price to pay to live well.

 
I would like to propose a "Give It Back" initiative, whereby everybody relieves themselves in the nearest agricultural field.

 
Spring is right around the corner. I can't wait to fire up the sprinkler system. All of this snow that we've had in february, the reservoirs should be maxed out. I'm just doing my civic duty.

 
Chaos Commish said:
California is the nation's #1 agricultural producer, but agriculture only contributes 3% overall to the California economy. It also consumes 80% of the state's developed water supply.
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I read somewhere that the almond crops alone account for 10% of Cali's water usage. :loco:

 
Christo said:
Chaos Commish said:
California is the nation's #1 agricultural producer, but agriculture only contributes 3% overall to the California economy. It also consumes 80% of the state's developed water supply.
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I read somewhere that the almond crops alone account for 10% of Cali's water usage. :loco:
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Almond farmers need to be charged for water at the desalination rate of ~$2000/acre foot.

Each acre of almonds uses three to four acre-feet of water each year, most of which are delivered via river diversions or groundwater.
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Alfalfa hay requires even more water, about 15 percent of the state’s supply. About 70 percent of alfalfa grown in California is used in dairies, and a good portion of the rest is exported to land-poor Asian countries like Japan. Yep, that’s right: In the middle of a drought, farmers are shipping fresh hay across the Pacific Ocean. The water that’s locked up in exported hay amounts to about 100 billion gallons per year—enough to supply 1 million families with drinking water for a year.
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Christo said:
Chaos Commish said:
California is the nation's #1 agricultural producer, but agriculture only contributes 3% overall to the California economy. It also consumes 80% of the state's developed water supply.
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I read somewhere that the almond crops alone account for 10% of Cali's water usage. :loco:
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That's ####### nuts!

 
Some of these farmers have longstanding water rights. If the price gets high enough they will likely just sell their water to Southern California municipalities.

 
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