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Another killing at the hands of the Police (8 Viewers)
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njherdfan
Footballguy
Another reality is that many cops will be far more likely to suspect that a black man is a criminal and not make negative inferences about white people.
Sweet J
Footballguy
I think that your statement is a stretch.
I looked at that particular interaction, I saw how that police officer acted. I made a judgment based on my personal experience with people; what I've seen, and what I've experienced. Nothing scientific there.
If you think that this police officer would have acted the same way with a white guy (who dressed and acted identically to the black guy), than we will simply have to agree to disagree. Oh, sure, I could use colorful discription of your decisiom-making comparable to your rediculous statement about me. But there is no need.
I will say this, though: If you truly believe he would have shot a white guy in the same situation, than that alone shows the incredible racial devide in this country. I'd bet that a significant portion of black america agrees with me. If I'm right, and if a significant portion of white america agrees with you, then we haven't evolved as a country since the OJ virdict was read.
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cstu
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I don't know how much higher percentage of black people commit gun crimes than white people, but many of them actively TRY to portray themselves as dangerous vs. white people who act nice but are just as dangerous.To be fair don't black people commit more gun crimes than others....I apologize if this is not correct
CBusAlex
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cstu
Footballguy
It's easy to say "don't be any more afraid of black people than you are of white people" but that's very difficult to practice when the media (TV, movies, news) bombards us with images of dangerous black men.
Clifford
Footballguy
Why not accessory to murder? They are attempting to help someone cover up a murder after all.
I think the attempted cover-up bears a department-wide investigation.
Sweet J
Footballguy
I can't tell if you are kidding. But regardless, I stated clearly that I have no evidence that this officer was "racist." (whatever that means). I have no idea what your are getting at with your first sentence, but I agree with your second sentence.
TobiasFunke
Footballguy
I think that is a lot of it, and why cops need better training, and fewer guns, until they are properly trained in how to handle difficult situations.
Ditka Butkus
Footballguy
I think things would be better if we all live by the motto..When The World Is Running Down You Make The Best Of What's Still Around
Sabertooth
Footballguy
Ditka Butkus
Footballguy
Issue each of them a German Shepard and let the dog do the dirty work. The criminals do not like the dog.
RedmondLonghorn
Footballguy
I don't consider myself racist, but I do consider the above statement to be one of the biggest pieces of PC garbage I have ever read here.
Clifford
Footballguy
How many cops in high profile cases have ended up doing life in prison?
There's your answer. When this guy, the guy in Alabama, the guy in Celveland, the guy in New York, the cops who tased the man in front of his family, the cops who beat the homeless guy to death, the cop who shot a guy for following orders, are all doing real, hard time, then maybe panic does not equal kill in their minds.
If our system ever evolves to where cops can't kill with impunity things will change. As of today, there is little to no punishment for a policeman killing or seriously injuring civilians.
jonessed
Footballguy
I try not to jump to conclusions without evidence. I find it easier to be objective that way. There are good cops and bad cops, good citizens and bad. I don't carry a chip either way.
jonessed
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General Tso
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How is this not a racist response? Your second paragraph is almost a textbook definition of prejudice and racism. Is it somehow not racism as long as your prejudism is not slanted negatively towards blacks?It amazes me how many people ASSume that all white people see blacks as more dangerous, inferior, etc. I wouldn't mind if you spoke for yourself, but please don't ascribe feelings and tendencies to other people without any evidence.
For now, all we know is that this appears to be a case of an officer wrongly using deadly force. Can we keep race out of it until there is actual proof of racism, or a reasonable suspicion of it? If we truly want to have a colorblind society don't we have to operate that way, all of us?
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Sabertooth
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It's turning into a very Orwellian world out there.
Ditka Butkus
Footballguy
I'm pro cop, but I will admit they get overly offended when people don't obey their commands...that is why they are also prone to wife-beating.
mcintyre1
Footballguy
If the recent revelation that the DEA has been bulk collecting international phone records for almost 3 decades is any indication, it might be more accurate to say "We're starting to realize how very Orwellian our world is."
In regard to police/community relations, I don't think things have drastically changed in the last 5-10 years, rather, we now have a much greater chance of bad behavior being recorded and shown to the world.
RedmondLonghorn
Footballguy
Don't be ridiculous on purpose, please.jonessed said:
Sweet J
Footballguy
Sure. Agreed. I think if more white people felt like it was ok to admit that they are uncomfortable around black people -- for a variety of reasons not based on "racism" (because they never had the opportunity to socialize in circles that included black folks; because they don't have close black friends, acquantances or co-workers, or because they don't otherwise have a chance to interact with black folks), than we'd be off to a nice start in fixing things.cstu said:
Spin
Footballguy
Good thing the guy was running away instead of actively charging/threatening the cop here. With how inaccurate that cop was when shooting, if the guy was actually a threat he was doomed. Maybe that was his defense "I know I suck at shooting, so this was my only chance in case the guy turned around and charged me, I needed to get a good 10-12 clean shots of to have a chance to hit him".
Sweet J
Footballguy
No, I think he's onto something. Not necessarily blaming it on the media. But, as a species, we are less comfortable being around what we are not familiar with. I'm a white guy from Boston, but I don't think I'd be all that comfortable hanging in Southie. It's not where I'm from and not the culture I know. Similarly, I'd probably be pretty uncomfortable hanging with a bunch of biker-dudes (not a "gang" -- just guys that like to ride Harleys or whatever). So it isn't a stretch to say that a white guy with little experience with having relationships with black people will have more difficult interactions with them.RedmondLonghorn said:
mcintyre1
Footballguy
I know you're joking, but I believe the guy was struck 5 times, 4 in the back and once in the ear. The officer kept firing until he went down, not because he was missing.
Sweet J
Footballguy
I've worked very hard in this thread not to blame poor decision-making on racism. I'm getting tired of people getting their pants in a bunch because someone disagrees with them. I get it: you think I'm a racist because I think a cop (possibly a good cop and a non-racist (whatever that means) cop made a horrible decision in the line of duty. I think (I don't know, and I have no evidence) that race likely played a part in such a horrible decision (i.e., I question whether he would have been so terrified if it was a normal looking white guy who went for his wallet.) So fine, you think I'm a racist. Whatever, man.General Tso said:
Yenrub
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1:27 p.m.: At a news conference at North Charleston City Hall about the shooting of Walter Scott, Mayor Keith Summey told reporters Wednesday that the city has ordered an additional 150 body cameras "so every officer on the street" in the city will have one. That is in addition to 101 body cameras already ordered, he said.
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General Tso
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You haven't worked hard enough:
I'm not calling you a racist, just pointing out the prejudism in what you said.
RedmondLonghorn
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Sweet J
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I started with this:
In my opinion, the word "racist" gets thrown around entirely too much, by folks of all color. I don't even know what that word means anymore.
But I do believe that humans act differently around cultures that they aren't familiar with. One of those ways of acting differently is being fearful. Another is being aggressive (or passive, or quiet, or loud). A black guy who has had very little interactions with white america will be way out of his element if he is plopped down in the middle of a community that is 98% white. And vice versa. It's why in lunchrooms across the country, you have perfectly nice, perfectly non-racist white kids and black kids that sit with their own race. And yes, if a white cop has very little experience with interacting with black folks, including no close black friends or family members or neighbor or work buddies, then yeah, it makes sense to me that he'd kind of freak out if a black guy makes a sudden movement during a very tense and scary traffic stop (maybe all traffic stops are tense and scary).
This doesn't mean the guy is racist. What it does mean is that I have NO OTHER EXPLANATION for him freaking out like that. Knowing what I know about human nature, I made assumptions. You may think that they are unwarranted. But that doesn't make them racist (would it be helpful if I stated I believe it works both ways? i.e., a black cop shooting a white guy).
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Zow
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General Tso said:Ok. Thanks for clarifying. That does raise an interesting question. Would the cop have been excused if he shot the guy in the back while he was running away with his taser? I think you can make a good argument that the cop would have been excused on the grounds that he was fearful the guy would turn around and shoot him with his taser.Another argument for body cameras. Please please make this happen.The Commish said:Cop reported the guy had his taser.....the taser that was laying at his (cops)...the taser he went back to get and threw down beside the body. There's a significant problem with a crime scene where a cop is claiming the perp has his taser and the taser is 10-15 yards away from a dead body. The last part is a typical FFA strawman, so I didn't feel the need to address.General Tso said:How did the narrative change exactly? The guy was shot in the back. That truth comes out with or without a video. It's undeniable forensic evidence that is easily and quickly obtained. For all of you insinuating this is a common occurrence, can you cite any cases where a policeman has shot someone in the back and been excused for it?Sinn Fein said:jon_mx said:
Todd Andrews
Footballguy
comfortably numb
Footballguy
I can be pro cop for the most part but can't see how anyone can defend the cop in this one.
jonessed
Footballguy
The cost, and privacy concerns with regard to how citizens are recorded and where the video is stored. I think the benefits outweigh the negatives assuming the cost can be overcome by local municipalities.
Col. Steve Austin
Footballguy
Ditkaless Wonders
Footballguy
Initial cost of hardware, software, and storage capacity.
Time to write and adopt directives and protocols, considering also open records matters and the potentially crippling requests for video.
That aside this is a clear, and rapidly accelerating trend that will be more or less standard practice in three years. It is also worth noting that several police departments have lead the way on this, long before any public outcry. The products were created by, primarily, Tazer International and a few others, with product development help from police departments. Most Departments do want to monitor and document their officer's behavior. The most common reason for this being that routinely citizens lie and file complaints that are wholly unjustified and the Departments themselves need to buttress the actions of their Officers with documentation. That it will also document police misconduct, when it occurs, is viewed as a positive by most Departments I know as the command structures of most Departments are constantly seeking ways to break the "Thin Blue Line" mentality. They truly want to stem abuses and to change the culture of law enforcement.
In The Zone
Footballguy
Per the local news the dashcam video will be released tomorrow.
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