barackdhouse
Footballguy
yeah these deals don't exist inside an academic model or a vacuum. that truth gets lost too easily.
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barackdhouse
Footballguy
FFPC 1QB not involved
Team A gave Mixon, 1.11
Team B gage A Jones, 2.05
I might take the Mixon side there. I'm paranoid about his foot though.
Team A gave Mixon, 1.11
Team B gage A Jones, 2.05
I might take the Mixon side there. I'm paranoid about his foot though.
I like Mixon and I’ve defended him several times before, despite never owning him in dynasty. I do, however, own Aaron Jones, and I would not make this swap in my league. So I have to roll with the AJ side.
northern exposure
Footballguy
I agree with this. Usually counter-offers don't work because the trade has to be one they have come up with. I have responded to bad trade offers with a counter and they usually just sit there with no response until they time out or I rescind them.
JohnnyU
Footballguy
I don't get this take. Mixon has had 2 1000+ yards in 4 seasons, averaging 4.1 and 4.9 respectively. He did catch 35 and 43 passes in those two years. Last year was a bust with 3.6, but will throw that year out the with him only playing in 6 games and with COVID. Jones has a better track record running the ball (similar yards, better average 5.2 to 4.1, and TDs 37 to 20), similar reception numbers, but with Jones slightly better. However, Jones is a year and half older, so I can see the attraction there for Mixon. Mixon will be 25 in July and Jones will be 27 in December.
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I don't pay for what you did, I pay for what I think you'll do.
Jones is older, Dillon's going to impact him and arrow is pointing up in Cincy after they improve the OL and Burrow goes into year two.
JohnnyU
Footballguy
Ok, I can see that, but I don't think Jones will slow down for another two seasons. Plus, how is Mixon's foot injury coming along? I always worry about foot injuries to RBs. I don't think Dillon is going to impact Jones anymore than he did last season. Did the Bengals improve their OL? I haven't watched their FA signings. Who's to say they will in the draft? There is talk about Sewell, but they may go Chase.
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northern exposure
Footballguy
I don't think AJ Dillon is going to impact Aaron Jones any more than J Williams did. In fact, I would argue he will have less of an impact.
I think Jones should be good another two seasons as well, basically Kamara lite is how I see him. But I will back up my previous comment that I do in fact think Dillon's going to eat into his workload and production more then Jamaal Williams has in the last two seasons and a lot more.
I truly don't care about the foot injury, it's not like it even required surgery.
I'd probably rank them even if they were the same age, the 1.5 years is a small thing but it's enough to push Mixon over him a little for me.
barackdhouse
Footballguy
Well I just saw Watson go at 1.09 in an FFPC SF startup this morning so nevermind on that. Plus this just happened:
Team A gave Watson
Team B gave 1.03, 2022 2nd
Plenty of people that aren't scared off it would seem.
Yep. Even if he steals more carries/red zone looks, he’s not nearly the pass catcher that Williams was, so that should net more targets and receptions for Jones.
Hot Sauce Guy
Footballguy
siri, how do I start my league in the worst possible way, and what’s the most I could possibly pay for the riskiest asset?
:ding: ::see above::
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Hot Sauce Guy
Footballguy
I’m inclined to agree. If anything it might keep AJ fresh.
The deciding factors on impact will be how Dillon is used as a receiver & at the stripe. If he starts eating into the GL touches & receptions, obviously that’s bad for AJ’s value.
Followed up by two unrelated teams to the first two:
Watson + Fournette + Gerald Everett
for
Dak + Hunt + 4.02 + 4.05
Hot Sauce Guy
Footballguy
If Watson only gets a few games, the Watson side is gonna look pretty awesome for this deal.
if Watson is out longer / faces criminal charges, team Dak/Hunt gonna be super happy.
Unpossible to know at the moment.
Penguin
Footballguy
Hot Sauce Guy
Footballguy
completely depends on what direction each of these teams is headed. If team Thomas / ARod / 1.05 is built to win now and then rebuild, I love this deal for them.
Tough call though. Gotta see how Jamies the saint is. And don’t know how many years ARod has left.
Kittle/Carson for me & it’s not close.
Hot Sauce Guy
Footballguy
How much would you leverage your future to win it all now?
I have very little draft capital this year (3.12), I have no 1-2 next year, & 2023 I have all 5 picks.
I also have a win-now roster that lacks depth. Mahomes/Carr/DJones, Carson/RoJo/(scrubs), ARob/Hopkins/Evans/Fuller/Samuel/(scrubs), EEngram/Gronk/Uzomah
Team Watson/Jacobs has a lot of nice pieces, but it’s SF & Brady is his only other QB. He made the playoffs in 2020 so he’s picking 8th. We were chatting & he was talking about a possible fire sale/rebuild, and I’m tempted to sell the farm for a couple of assets, try to win it in 2021-2022 then blow it up for a future rebuild.
If you had my team, would you be willing to pay a 2021 3rd, 2022 3/4, & 2023 1/2/3/4 + Samuel & for CEH/Metcalf? Or CEH/Tee Higgins? Or Jacobs/Metcalf? Or Jacobs/Higgins? Or any one of those players even?
Or is it crazy to leverage that much of my future for any of those combos?
Or would I be better off standing Pat, trying to win this year and blowing it up next year by selling my top 3 WRs for 2023 picks, tanking 2022 & going for a major rebuild?
You’re GM of my team for the next 10 mins. What do you do?
I have very little draft capital this year (3.12), I have no 1-2 next year, & 2023 I have all 5 picks.
I also have a win-now roster that lacks depth. Mahomes/Carr/DJones, Carson/RoJo/(scrubs), ARob/Hopkins/Evans/Fuller/Samuel/(scrubs), EEngram/Gronk/Uzomah
Team Watson/Jacobs has a lot of nice pieces, but it’s SF & Brady is his only other QB. He made the playoffs in 2020 so he’s picking 8th. We were chatting & he was talking about a possible fire sale/rebuild, and I’m tempted to sell the farm for a couple of assets, try to win it in 2021-2022 then blow it up for a future rebuild.
If you had my team, would you be willing to pay a 2021 3rd, 2022 3/4, & 2023 1/2/3/4 + Samuel & for CEH/Metcalf? Or CEH/Tee Higgins? Or Jacobs/Metcalf? Or Jacobs/Higgins? Or any one of those players even?
Or is it crazy to leverage that much of my future for any of those combos?
Or would I be better off standing Pat, trying to win this year and blowing it up next year by selling my top 3 WRs for 2023 picks, tanking 2022 & going for a major rebuild?
You’re GM of my team for the next 10 mins. What do you do?
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ghostguy123
Footballguy
Hot Sauce Guy
Footballguy
Just spitballing. Maybe I go all in on CEH or Tee. Or Jacobs, who he’s suddenly super down on but would help my team a lot. I’d think that package might have him at least considering it.
Dude isn’t winning anything this year or likely next. His team has had a string of horrible luck.
Maybe it’s a dumb idea...I know he covets draft picks more than most.
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King of the Jungle
Footballguy
This is a reminder of why I don’t play super flex. Hurts for Kelce shouldn’t be on the table no matter the format.
Was going to say the same thing but then I thought it's also not right that Mahomes might not buy you a top 5 rookie pick in some standard leagues.
Wish a middle ground existed.
ghostguy123
Footballguy
A middle ground probably could easily exist. Add more points to the QB scoring to magnify the importance in 1 QB leagues.
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barackdhouse
Footballguy
Buying players for my orphans:
FFPC SF:
I gave 2022 2nd, 4.02
I got Ronald Jones, Minshew
FFPC SF different league:
I gave 3.12, 2022 3rd
I got Ertz
FFPC SF:
I gave 2022 2nd, 4.02
I got Ronald Jones, Minshew
FFPC SF different league:
I gave 3.12, 2022 3rd
I got Ertz
barackdhouse
Footballguy
FFPC SF:
I gave 2022 2nd, two 2022 3rds
I got Gabriel Davis, Fuller
FFPC 1QB:
I gave 1.09, 2.04, 2022 1st (late but not mine), Corey Davis, Henderson
I got Diggs, A Brown, 3.12
I gave 2022 2nd, two 2022 3rds
I got Gabriel Davis, Fuller
FFPC 1QB:
I gave 1.09, 2.04, 2022 1st (late but not mine), Corey Davis, Henderson
I got Diggs, A Brown, 3.12
Snorkelson
Footballguy
He shouldn’t be in superflex either, it’s just a great deal for the guy trading hurts.
There’s only a few guys who even have the potential to score at te like Kelce does year after year. It’s a scarce position and he’s basically like a wr1 scorer there. Even the other guys who might score close to kelce- Waller and kittle- are way way less valuable. Having a middling qb in your flex spot isn’t worth giving the points at te, you’re losing ground. Add to that the fact that hurts still has a terrible Oline and terrible wrs, there isn’t really even some massive upside there.
ghostguy123
Footballguy
ffmail4me
Footballguy
Won my 12 team PPR dynasty league last year but never like to sit idle. Just made this trade.
Gave: Zeke, Jacobs, 1.12, 3.12 picks
Got: Akers, McLaurin, 2.4 pick
Thoughts? I realize Zeke and Jacobs COULD bounce back, but felt I moved 2 declining assets for 2 rising young stars.
Gave: Zeke, Jacobs, 1.12, 3.12 picks
Got: Akers, McLaurin, 2.4 pick
Thoughts? I realize Zeke and Jacobs COULD bounce back, but felt I moved 2 declining assets for 2 rising young stars.
barackdhouse
Footballguy
barackdhouse
Footballguy
I see it as paying 5 quarters for a dollar. Worth it. Team is loaded and I had a lot of capital. Still have my future 1st, 2.01. Now I stack Jefferson, Diggs, Juju, Pittman with Dobbins, Gibson and Robinson. Mahomes and Kittle. It's my best single QB FFPC team and IMO it just got a lot better. A couple different calculators back it up as basically 5 quarters for a dollar. And although I like Corey Davis I think they are grading him higher than what he can get on the market in most places. Other guy's team was wasting Diggs so he got a haul and can make other moves now. Henderson and Davis were roster cloggers for me in FFPC. And although this deal was 2 players for 2 players, Brown isn't going to last my roster past this season so in a sense it is like a down payment on a roster spot later. Anyway I was drunk and I want to see Diggs getting 11/120/2 in *my* lineup.
ghostguy123
Footballguy
I read that as AJ Brown. Oops.
The first trade was silly to get davis and fuller so cheap.
The end deal seems good to get diggs
JohnnyU
Footballguy
Both are heavily slanted in your favor IMO. Especially the first and I don’t like Fuller and feel he’s worth a 2nd at best.
barackdhouse
Footballguy
barackdhouse
Footballguy
FFPC SF
I gave 3.05, 2022 3rd
I got Mims
I gave 3.05, 2022 3rd
I got Mims
On the first trade I'm 100% not trying to be a contrarian as I know some have aid they see it as lopsided but I see it as equitable in a vacuum due to how precious roster space must be right now in SF, not liking Fuller with Tua.
The second trade also seems equitable though I'd probably take the picks side but that's based in part on prior trades I've done coloring my opinion.
And your new avatar is tripping me up.
Jonesin For Some Football
Footballguy
I can see the argument on both sides here. I like Scary Terry a lot this year but when Fitzmagic is gone, his value could drop. I think I would have leaned towards the Zeke/Jacobs side before they signed Drake/Riddick but now the Akers side probably is better but I think Zeke has a bigger year this year personally. I have no problem with either side.
northern exposure
Footballguy
12 tm Zealots PPR
Team A gave:
Chase Edmonds
Deebo Samuel
2022 2nd
Team B gave:
DeAndre Hopkins
2021 2.07 pick
Team A gave:
Chase Edmonds
Deebo Samuel
2022 2nd
Team B gave:
DeAndre Hopkins
2021 2.07 pick
barackdhouse
Footballguy
barackdhouse
Footballguy
There is definitely some value on the Zeke/Jacobs/1.12 side but I actually really don't think it's super close. I don't get what the other person is seeing here. Needs a RB I have to assume. Akers has a (relatively easy) path to FF stratosphere this year and McLaurin is maybe in the same category.
I have a lot of faith in what Rivera is doing in Washington and I think they will find a QB for the future. McLaurin is so much better than most people realize and with Samuel there and a competent QB to go along with a formidable running game with an electric young RB, the sky is the limit for McLaurin in 2021 especially.
You can get some good win now RB production out of Zeke and Jacobs though and 1.12 could be nice. But they'll never sell those two RBs again. 2.4 isn't necessarily much different from 1.12 either. Anyway I think it's a slam dunk for you.
team b maybe should have waited until after the draft to make sure chase edmonds is the starter? even if he is i dont like this trade much
I don't think it's just the fantasy community, a lot of people question Tua in real football though that question is not so much he's not any good, it's just a question of he is game manager type or elite. I'm personally not writing off Tua the football player, or being good in fantasy, but when I found myself last year being bummed for Parker when Fitz got yanked I think it's appropriate to be concerned about going from Watson to Tua.barackdhouse said:
And yes I figured Davis was key target for you and it's a good price for both of them if I'm not looking at roster space.
My only holdup on the Diggs trade is everytime I've traded for an 27+ year old stud WR's it's gone a little to a lot wrong-even when the player worked out what I could have picked ends up trumping them. That's what I meant by it seemed equitable to me but my past trades color my opinion and made me lean picks.
And cool story on your pops, nice way you have chose to honor him, very nice.
Spike
Footballguy
Another Edmonds deal.
Zealots Field PPR (not involved)
Team A traded Chase Edmonds and Derrick Henry
Team B traded Saquon Barkley
Team A now has Barkley, JK Dobbins, Alvin Kamara, Jox Mixon and others as his RBs
Team B now has Cam Akers, Edmonds and Henry as his RBs (just those 3)
Zealots Field PPR (not involved)
Team A traded Chase Edmonds and Derrick Henry
Team B traded Saquon Barkley
Team A now has Barkley, JK Dobbins, Alvin Kamara, Jox Mixon and others as his RBs
Team B now has Cam Akers, Edmonds and Henry as his RBs (just those 3)
