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2 minutes ago, Rockchild said:

14 team PPR, QB, 1-4 RB, 1-4 WR, 1-4 TE, K, D (9 starters)

M. Thomas, WR, NO

2022 2nd round

for

T. Kelce, TE, KC

2022 3rd round, 2022 4th round

 

I probably lean towards the Thomas/2nd side, but it’s not an unfair trade. 

just seems like a lot to pay for a 31 year old Kelce, even as good as he is. 

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12 minutes ago, Hot Sauce Guy said:

That’s where I’m coming from. DJ isn’t Allen right now, but there’s certainly potential for him to become that productive, and potentially remain so for longer.

But a team ready to get a ‘ship this year or next is better aligned to have Allen short-term.

it’s a win-win, especially if the team getting DJ is competitive but youthful, and has time to play the long game.

That’s why I took issue with the POV that this was a case of “youth over talent”. That was the only bone I had to pick. Because DJ is definitely talented as well. It’s not an either/or in evaluating this deal. 

Ya.  Not sure why you got picked on a little as the opposition but sparked good debate which I like to see.  I agree with you completely.  I like KA a lot but assuming he will be this good for 4 years is a long time.  DJ may never get there due to QB/O-line but he certainly has the talent to do it.  

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13 minutes ago, Rockchild said:

14 team PPR, QB, 1-4 RB, 1-4 WR, 1-4 TE, K, D (9 starters)

M. Thomas, WR, NO

2022 2nd round

for

T. Kelce, TE, KC

2022 3rd round, 2022 4th round

 

Oh how the mighty Thomas has fallen.  This would have seemed unthinkable last offseason.  I think it is pretty fair as Kelce has the feel to me of like a Tony G that put up good fantasy numbers even at like 35.  I'd lean that way but wouldn't like it.  But I guess a really fair trade isn't completely liked or hated by either party.

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3 minutes ago, Jonesin For Some Football said:

Oh how the mighty Thomas has fallen.  This would have seemed unthinkable last offseason.  I think it is pretty fair as Kelce has the feel to me of like a Tony G that put up good fantasy numbers even at like 35.  I'd lean that way but wouldn't like it.  But I guess a really fair trade isn't completely liked or hated by either party.

Actually if both sides don't like it you know you have a good deal.......hahahahaha

.......and if both sides really like a deal then someone is missing something...haha

 

ETA:  This applies to completed deals only.

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7 minutes ago, Gally said:

Actually if both sides don't like it you know you have a good deal.......hahahahaha

.......and if both sides really like a deal then someone is missing something...haha

 

ETA:  This applies to completed deals only.

Damn this is so true. :lol: 

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16 minutes ago, Gally said:

Actually if both sides don't like it you know you have a good deal.......hahahahaha

.......and if both sides really like a deal then someone is missing something...haha

 

ETA:  This applies to completed deals only.

This is so true and it makes me laugh when people don't get that.  There are some owners that think they have to love every trade or they won't make it. Not how a team is built.

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1 minute ago, Jonesin For Some Football said:

This is so true and it makes me laugh when people don't get that.  There are some owners that think they have to love every trade or they won't make it. Not how a team is built.

or better yet, owners that think they have to "win" every trade.  Some of the best trades I have made I didn't "win" but it put me over the top for a title run.  

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Just now, Gally said:

or better yet, owners that think they have to "win" every trade.  Some of the best trades I have made I didn't "win" but it put me over the top for a title run.  

That is kind of what I meant but totally agreed.  I can't stand how people feel that way.  Depending on your team, situation, and value of the players (both incoming & outgoing)...."win" can mean very different things too.

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18 hours ago, tangfoot said:

To my knowledge, the next RB to come back* from an Achilles tear during his “prime” NFL years will be the first. 

*”Come back” in this sense would be to return to production at or exceeding his level prior to the tear 

I completely agree with you that those things are about impossible to come back from. Do you have any idea how many RBs have had a similar injury in their prime?

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2 hours ago, Jonesin For Some Football said:

Oh how the mighty Thomas has fallen.  This would have seemed unthinkable last offseason.  I think it is pretty fair as Kelce has the feel to me of like a Tony G that put up good fantasy numbers even at like 35.  I'd lean that way but wouldn't like it.  But I guess a really fair trade isn't completely liked or hated by either party.

I am the team getting Kelce and getting the top TE made it worth it to me. I'm not sure I would have made the deal if Brees was still there though. My thinking is that the WR position is easier to replace than the TE position.

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I just moved Kelce in an effort to rebuild and get younger. Won't be competitive this season.

FFPC

Gave: Kelce

Got: Bateman, Deebo, 2022 1st, 2022 2nd, AJDillon

The first projects to be late for sure as his roster will be super competitive.  Hoping either Bateman and/or Dillon see a good increase in value over the next 12 months and maybe try to move Deebo.

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7 minutes ago, Rockchild said:

I am the team getting Kelce and getting the top TE made it worth it to me. I'm not sure I would have made the deal if Brees was still there though. My thinking is that the WR position is easier to replace than the TE position.

I agree in principal, but Kelce is 31. 

What window of productivity are you projecting for him? 2 years? 3? 

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Just now, BigAl21 said:

I just moved Kelce in an effort to rebuild and get younger. Won't be competitive this season.

FFPC

Gave: Kelce

Got: Bateman, Deebo, 2022 1st, 2022 2nd, AJDillon

The first projects to be late for sure as his roster will be super competitive.  Hoping either Bateman and/or Dillon see a good increase in value over the next 12 months and maybe try to move Deebo.

That’s a nice haul for Kelce. I think you did well. 

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1 minute ago, Hot Sauce Guy said:

I agree in principal, but Kelce is 31. 

What window of productivity are you projecting for him? 2 years? 3? 

Yes, that's what I am looking for. TE was my weak spot and a couple of years of the top TE will make me happy. I understand the age concern but my team is built to win now and I will find a WR to replace Thomas easier than trying to pry a top TE from someone. Believe me I tried.

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10 minutes ago, Rockchild said:

Yes, that's what I am looking for. TE was my weak spot and a couple of years of the top TE will make me happy. I understand the age concern but my team is built to win now and I will find a WR to replace Thomas easier than trying to pry a top TE from someone. Believe me I tried.

I like it.  I paid up big time for Kelce at the trade deadline last year but it got me the chip and I don't regret it one bit as I am poised to make a big run this year too.

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18 minutes ago, BigAl21 said:

I just moved Kelce in an effort to rebuild and get younger. Won't be competitive this season.

FFPC

Gave: Kelce

Got: Bateman, Deebo, 2022 1st, 2022 2nd, AJDillon

The first projects to be late for sure as his roster will be super competitive.  Hoping either Bateman and/or Dillon see a good increase in value over the next 12 months and maybe try to move Deebo.

This is a good haul for Kelce.  If rebuilding this is the type of trade that can really help with that.

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13 minutes ago, Rockchild said:

Yes, that's what I am looking for. TE was my weak spot and a couple of years of the top TE will make me happy. I understand the age concern but my team is built to win now and I will find a WR to replace Thomas easier than trying to pry a top TE from someone. Believe me I tried.

Totally agree. Heck, Thomas probably won't replace Thomas given the tumultuous situation at QB in NOS. 

;)

Of course the challenge is that you'll be back to square 1 in 2-3 years, but you can cross that bridge when you come to it.  

It's a fair trade for sure. 

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2 hours ago, mzkp54 said:

12 team 0.5 PPR SF
 

Gave: Dj Moore, Diontae Johnson, Nyhiem

Hines, Blake Jarwin, ‘22 3rd

got: Dalvin Cook, ‘22 2nd

Wow. The second is on the wrong side and it should be a first 

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2 hours ago, mzkp54 said:

12 team 0.5 PPR SF
 

Gave: Dj Moore, Diontae Johnson, Nyhiem

Hines, Blake Jarwin, ‘22 3rd

got: Dalvin Cook, ‘22 2nd

Hello, 9-11? I’d like to report a robbery. Yes, there’s violence. Yes, I’ll hold. 

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Just now, Cobbler1 said:

Stealin Dalvin 

Dude giving away Dalvon could have just put that offer in the “what’s the worst trade you’ve ever been offered” topic instead of clicking accept. I mean, that’s an option.

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Just now, Cobbler1 said:

16 team ppr.

Gave: Gus Bus, 1.12, 2.12

Got: Zeke

Nice pull. I think that’s a solid value betting on a bounce back. And even if Pollard is more involved than you want to see, that’s baked into the buy-low price. And if he truly bounces back, you got a bargain. 

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14 minutes ago, Twenty-Four Eighty-Four said:

12 Team PPR Superflex, not involved

Team gave 2022 2nd, 2022 3rd

Team gave RB Melvin Gordon

Count me in the “Melvin Gordon will be the RB1 in Denver in 2021” camp.

He should be significantly more valuable than a random future 2nd. The 3rd is worthless 

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5 minutes ago, barackdhouse said:

FFPC SF not involved

Team A gives Lamb

Team B gives Ekeler, D Jones, 2022 2nd

 

Give me Lamb...Jones is too much of a wildcard for me...if I am giving up Lamb I would want a QB that is more of a sure thing.

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1 hour ago, tangfoot said:

Count me in the “Melvin Gordon will be the RB1 in Denver in 2021” camp.

He should be significantly more valuable than a random future 2nd. The 3rd is worthless 

I’m in the “it’ll be RBBC in Denver” camp & i’d still take the Gordon side. 

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45 minutes ago, barackdhouse said:

FFPC SF not involved

Team A gives Lamb

Team B gives Ekeler, D Jones, 2022 2nd

 

Fair.

DJones could break out. He showed flashes with a terrible OL & no weapons. 
 

That’s probably the gamble here. Lamb is a get tho, and Eke will provide value. 
 

it’s a fair trade. One of those where someone’s feelings about Eke & Jones steer the perception of whether they’d accept or not. 

As a DJ SF shareholder I’d probably take the deal if I could afford to lose the RB. 

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10 hours ago, Hot Sauce Guy said:

Fair.

DJones could break out. He showed flashes with a terrible OL & no weapons. 
 

That’s probably the gamble here. Lamb is a get tho, and Eke will provide value. 
 

it’s a fair trade. One of those where someone’s feelings about Eke & Jones steer the perception of whether they’d accept or not. 

As a DJ SF shareholder I’d probably take the deal if I could afford to lose the RB. 

I would take the Lamb side and to me it isn't close.  Even if that pick was a 1st instead of a 2nd I wouldn't trade Lamb for that.

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6 minutes ago, JohnnyU said:

I would take the Lamb side and to me it isn't close.  Even if that pick was a 1st instead of a 2nd I wouldn't trade Lamb for that.

Agreed...the key to me is the QB...sometimes in SF you need to make a tough trade to shore up your QB position...if I was in that situation and was gonna give up Lamb I want a QB that I can count on to take my QB unit to another level and Jones is way to risky to count on that.

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11 hours ago, tangfoot said:

Count me in the “Melvin Gordon will be the RB1 in Denver in 2021” camp.

He should be significantly more valuable than a random future 2nd. The 3rd is worthless 

Gordon should be the RB1 but I think Javonte Williams closes the gap more than Philip Lindsey did, and Lindsey got plenty of run. Gordon is at the age 28-29 when his value will drop precipitously after this season, so while this is a bit light if you don't "need" Gordon this is not a terrible deal - and realistically you're not getting a 1st.

And while 3rd round picks are far from sure things, to say they're "worthless" in a standard league is disingenuous, let alone in a super-flex league. I've landed plenty of talent in round 3 (and of course plenty of misses) - and they make nice trade sweeteners.

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1 hour ago, Dr. Octopus said:

Gordon should be the RB1 but I think Javonte Williams closes the gap more than Philip Lindsey did, and Lindsey got plenty of run. Gordon is at the age 28-29 when his value will drop precipitously after this season, so while this is a bit light if you don't "need" Gordon this is not a terrible deal - and realistically you're not getting a 1st.

And while 3rd round picks are far from sure things, to say they're "worthless" in a standard league is disingenuous, let alone in a super-flex league. I've landed plenty of talent in round 3 (and of course plenty of misses) - and they make nice trade sweeteners.

That's the part I get on board with. If someone really won't do a trade without a third, I'll throw it it. Nice way to put it over the top if necessary.

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15 minutes ago, smbkrypt24 said:

Give me the T.Higgins side even in SF.

I'd agree with that statement in a vacuum but depending on roster situations, I could understand the other side.  If you had a big need at QB in SF and believed Stafford could do big things in his new home, there is nothing wrong with that side either.  Especially if deep at WR.

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18 minutes ago, Jonesin For Some Football said:

I'd agree with that statement in a vacuum but depending on roster situations, I could understand the other side.  If you had a big need at QB in SF and believed Stafford could do big things in his new home, there is nothing wrong with that side either.  Especially if deep at WR.

Agreed if Stafford was my 2nd QB and I am competing for a ship I would hold off, but I like the value.

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13 hours ago, mzkp54 said:

12 team 0.5 PPR SF

Gave: Tee Higgins, Robby Anderson, Pollard, ‘23 3rd

Got: Stafford, ‘22 2nd

If you need a QB this is not a lot to give up for someone who has a chance to be very legit with his new team...Higgins is a player but with Chase onboard that takes a little shine off of him...Anderson is not a player I would worry about dealing...I am a big fan of Pollard and would hate to give him up but he still has Zeke in front of him...add in you are upgrading from a #3 in 2023 to a #2 in 2022 and I think this is an easy deal to make in the SF format...also, since this is not an overpay I think you could get more for Stafford in-season from a contender if your team was in a spot where that made sense...the more I look t this deal the more I like it.

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3 hours ago, JohnnyU said:

I would take the Lamb side and to me it isn't close.  Even if that pick was a 1st instead of a 2nd I wouldn't trade Lamb for that.

I think it is closer in SF, where often getting QBs is like pulling teeth. 

As I said, I’d probably make the trade as a DJones owner, but not if I’m down to 2 QBs as a result. 

Value is what you can get for a dude.
 

While others have said Lamb should command a better QB in return, and I agree, sometimes a Daniel Jones is the best trade you can work out in a specific league with ~11 other owners.

some may not be willing to deal a QB, may already be deep at WR, or may not have an Ekeler to give back. 

value is in the eye of the beholder. I don’t think this deal is so off-balance that it’s the “not close” no-brainer you’re asserting.

Without the picks involved, the Dynasty Dominator app has the DJ/Eke side winning this 258 to 184. So to say it’s not close seems inaccurate on its face, but especially when you consider context of potential trade partners and what assets are available. 

And hey, maybe the team giving up Lamb isn’t as high on him, or is higher on DJ than you.

This looks like a fair trade to me, even if it’s one you don’t care for. 

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16 minutes ago, Boston said:

the more I look t this deal the more I like it.

I think this applies to a lot of the knee-jerk evals of deals in here. 

I mean, some, like the Dalvin Cook deal, are just objectively terrible & lopsided & easily mocked as such.

but on some of the close ones, there’s either a cognitive dissonance between “value on paper” vs “getting a deal done” or there’s inherent bias where a shark may hate one or more players involved and that clouds judgement on what constitutes a fair deal.

just because someone personally hates Daniel Jones, for example, that doesn’t negate DJ’s value, except in deals that person is making. 

I’ve said it before and I’ll keep saying it (and @Dr. Octopus recently did as well) - in the context of a dynasty league there are a limited number of potential trade partners. They all have needs, and they all have existing pieces they can or can’t move. Some are in win-now, some are rebuilding & let’s be honest, some have no idea wtf they’re doing. 

So among say 5-6 teams, you’ve got to work out a deal. And now bring SF into the mix where some teams hoard QBs and some teams simply don’t have the QB equity to move unless they’re blown away by an offer.

and that’s when you need to step back to evaluate (again, for example) how fair a Daniel Jones + Eke for Lamb deal is, or the Higgins + stuff for Stafford.

Neither of those deals are unfair in context. But I can see some of the sharks in here hating them. And that’s ok too. We all have our takes. I just try to look at deals in the context described above rather than through the lens of scorn & derision because someone subjectively views a certain player as ascending and/or has distain for other players in the deal. 

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FFPC SF

I gave Julio, Trautman
I got Pittman, 2022 2nd

On this squad this is my WR5 for a younger WR that I think is going to break out. Julio would be on my bench most weeks in this league. So will Pittman. I like Trautman a lot but I have Kelce, Fant and a couple other young TEs I also like. Right now I have 24 players on my roster where I had 25 yesterday. We have to cutdown to 20 by week 1. Long ways away but I have a *lot* of depth on this team and that is a problem before cutdown. WR depth in the SF format is really a tough dynamic. There is just no shortage of good WRs available everywhere. Right now I'm looking at cutting TY Hilton (who might outperform Pittman), Landry, a QB that is likely starting week 1, and one of the young TEs I like. 

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3 minutes ago, Hot Sauce Guy said:

 

I think this applies to a lot of the knee-jerk evals of deals in here. 

I mean, some, like the Dalvin Cook deal, are just objectively terrible & lopsided & easily mocked as such.

but on some of the close ones, there’s either a cognitive dissonance between “value on paper” vs “getting a deal done” or there’s inherent bias where a shark may hate one or more players involved and that clouds judgement on what constitutes a fair deal.

just because someone personally hates Daniel Jones, for example, that doesn’t negate DJ’s value, except in deals that person is making. 

I’ve said it before and I’ll keep saying it (and @Dr. Octopus recently did as well) - in the context of a dynasty league there are a limited number of potential trade partners. They all have needs, and they all have existing pieces they can or can’t move. Some are in win-now, some are rebuilding & let’s be honest, some have no idea wtf they’re doing. 

So among say 5-6 teams, you’ve got to work out a deal. And now bring SF into the mix where some teams hoard QBs and some teams simply don’t have the QB equity to move unless they’re blown away by an offer.

and that’s when you need to step back to evaluate (again, for example) how fair a Daniel Jones + Eke for Lamb deal is, or the Higgins + stuff for Stafford.

Neither of those deals are unfair in context. But I can see some of the sharks in here hating them. And that’s ok too. We all have our takes. I just try to look at deals in the context described above rather than through the lens of scorn & derision because someone subjectively views a certain player as ascending and/or has distain for other players in the deal. 

I totally agree with everything you said here but I just give my personal opinion and my valuation of guys affects how I view a trade.  Definitely wouldn't say those are unfair trades though at all.

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The Lamb deal wasn't for Jones it was for Ekeler. We can yap forever about Jones this or Jones that but the main piece on that side was Ekeler. And I don't think the deal was very good for Lamb. That wasn't enough. I prefer the Stafford side quite a bit on the other one just because I don't believe Higgins will ever be a dominant #1 difference maker now that Chase is there. Stafford is a good get in SF for a couple backup pieces.

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