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Someone will tell you this is the wrong thread for your question. I'll just tell you I'd make that deal.
Sorry in advance for negative opinion but afraid my opinion is that you lost this deal and have made your team worse since you took over.
fruity pebbles
Footballguy
16 team ppr. Mike Evans was traded for the 1.03, 1.06 and a future 1st.
Gimme the picks all day long.
Gimme the picks all day long.
Tejas
Footballguy
No worries! We all have differing opinions. This league was a startup draft last season. I finished second overall in the playoffs, so won a nice cash prize.
My team had some deficiencies at RB, as I lost Cook, Carson due to injury and had to ride it out with Freeman, Rod Smith, and Gillislee.
I’m heavily involved in draft analysis, and am privy to insider information. ATL has worked out 9 RB’s thus far, and will be drafting a RB to replace Freeman in the first 3-4 rounds. They’re very concerned about his knee issues, as well as Coleman’s contract situation.
Green is 30, and has shown a significant drop off the last two seasons. The Bengals o-line is disgraceful and I’d never put a significant amount of fanatsy confidence in the red rocket. I’m stacked at WR with Michael Thomas, Tyreke Hill, Will Fuller, Robert Woods, etc.
Henry chalked up a whopping 11.5% of targets in the SD offense last year. He’s competing for targets with Allen, M. Williams, Ty Williams, Benjamin, Gordon, Eckler, and whatever TE they draft to replace Gates.
I also have Dalvin Cook and other significant pieces on this team. Very happy with opportunity to trade Freeman straight up for 1.6 (potentially a starting RB in this class) and I received 2.7, 2.9. Analysis on Freeman’s stats show a significant drop off the past two seasons.
Overall I believe I sold high on Henry, and jettisoned dead weight in players that are clearly descending.
My team had some deficiencies at RB, as I lost Cook, Carson due to injury and had to ride it out with Freeman, Rod Smith, and Gillislee.
I’m heavily involved in draft analysis, and am privy to insider information. ATL has worked out 9 RB’s thus far, and will be drafting a RB to replace Freeman in the first 3-4 rounds. They’re very concerned about his knee issues, as well as Coleman’s contract situation.
Green is 30, and has shown a significant drop off the last two seasons. The Bengals o-line is disgraceful and I’d never put a significant amount of fanatsy confidence in the red rocket. I’m stacked at WR with Michael Thomas, Tyreke Hill, Will Fuller, Robert Woods, etc.
Henry chalked up a whopping 11.5% of targets in the SD offense last year. He’s competing for targets with Allen, M. Williams, Ty Williams, Benjamin, Gordon, Eckler, and whatever TE they draft to replace Gates.
I also have Dalvin Cook and other significant pieces on this team. Very happy with opportunity to trade Freeman straight up for 1.6 (potentially a starting RB in this class) and I received 2.7, 2.9. Analysis on Freeman’s stats show a significant drop off the past two seasons.
Overall I believe I sold high on Henry, and jettisoned dead weight in players that are clearly descending.
ghostguy123
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I sort of viewed it like this:
- picks 25 and 50 this year is about the same as my 2019 2nd which will be late (won league last year, didnt lose anyone, Thomas was picked up at trade deadline and did nothing for me)
- Picks 15 and 30 equal up to about a late 1st, which I would have been happy to get for DT
- Yes this is an IDP league, but IDPs don't score a ton and are not nearly as valuable as most other IDP leagues.
- Though Demaryius is overpaid, his cap was not hurting THAT bad, but it does lessen his value some (maybe 10-20%?)
I appreciate the thought process, Tejas.
Personally, i understand your goals as i tend to trade 1 for 2 or 1 for 3, but at some point i realized that fielding a strong weekly lineup and not having to pick between boom/bust WR3's and RB2's makes lineup setting (and therefore FF) easier. YMMV
Personally, i understand your goals as i tend to trade 1 for 2 or 1 for 3, but at some point i realized that fielding a strong weekly lineup and not having to pick between boom/bust WR3's and RB2's makes lineup setting (and therefore FF) easier. YMMV
Man this does not look like a great series of moves. It just feels very light on your end. You got a bunch of complimentary pieces with maybe the exception of Ingram and gave up a premium TE of the future (I still believe Henry will finally get his time in the sun this year) and 2 guys who are easily top 15 players at their position who people refuse to value that way due to down years and down offenses. The picks are nice but you're going to need to be extremely savvy with them to make up for the loss in raw value
While I agree as far as fantasy production, I would still wait to target him until after the draft. He's already being valued highly as an early 2nd round startup pick so his cost would not increase much, if at all, if GB passes on a WR early. His trade value will almost certainly take a hit if they draft someone in the 1st or 2nd round.
barackdhouse
Footballguy
12 team PPR TE 1.5
Team A gives 2.12
Team B gives Vance McDonald, 4.02
And another same format:
Team C gives 2019 2nd
Team D gives Vance, 3.06
Team A gives 2.12
Team B gives Vance McDonald, 4.02
And another same format:
Team C gives 2019 2nd
Team D gives Vance, 3.06
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ghostguy123
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Boston
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The #1 is the most valuable asset in this deal...Hill is a big wildcard, Garcon has some short-term value but is very limited in Dynasty and Richardson did get a contract that says they want him to be successful...if I am dealing a future 1 (which I do not like doing) I need to be getting something very legit back or I am doing it in-season where the return could be the difference in winning a championship...really not sure what this deal accomplished...
jeaton6
Footballguy
When Jeremy Hill becomes the next Corey Dillon or even Blount who can catch and Garcon becomes the number 1 to the Savior Jimmy G, you will think otherwise and I will be regretting this deal
Andy Dufresne
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Dr. Octopus
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jeaton6
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Dr. Octopus
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I like Garcon and to some extent Hill, but I could see Hill not even making the team. I think Burkhead gets first crack at starting regardless.When Jeremy Hill becomes the next Corey Dillon or even Blount who can catch and Garcon becomes the number 1 to the Savior Jimmy G, you will think otherwise and I will be regretting this deal
Dismattle
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As I stated in so many words not really the biggest fan of GB WR's since like post Cobb's 1st Season almost But Rodgers is a Good QB and will be throwing to someone besides TE's and RB's Guess there is a chance some Stud is brought in who can learn the system quickly However, imho Adams is darn near must-start status at this time Really my post was more based on " I'd like to unload Adams for a good return " No idea what entails a good return Now maybe I was thinking a bit negative and posted to quickly too Meaning I wouldn't be willing to pay it But I could see the justificationmenobrown said:
On a side note, I do agree with D. Cook!
P.S. Sorry about earlier post Think it was most met for newbies (not really needed)
ghostguy123
Footballguy
12 team PPR with large rosters and large taxi squad. Salary cap of $500 IDP starting 6 IDPs (though the scoring is not weighted heavily, for example Demarcus Lawrence scored like 130)
Aaron Rodgers ($77)
for
Marcos Mariotta, 3.10, 3.11, 2019 1st (team is not good but has promise, though PROBABLY still non playoff), and 2019 2nd (same team as the 1st)
This is the same league as the Demaryus Thomas deal recently posted, I am the team that dealt away both Thomas and Rodgers(coincidentally both to the same team). The salary is not as huge of an issue as it looks. I don't think anyone has EVER had to just outright cut a guy because of salary, but it does play a factor as I was well over the cap and had to make moves to get under.
Still have Russell Wilson at QB which played a big role in this decision. Really rooting for that 2019 1st to be somewhere in the 3-4 range
Aaron Rodgers ($77)
for
Marcos Mariotta, 3.10, 3.11, 2019 1st (team is not good but has promise, though PROBABLY still non playoff), and 2019 2nd (same team as the 1st)
This is the same league as the Demaryus Thomas deal recently posted, I am the team that dealt away both Thomas and Rodgers(coincidentally both to the same team). The salary is not as huge of an issue as it looks. I don't think anyone has EVER had to just outright cut a guy because of salary, but it does play a factor as I was well over the cap and had to make moves to get under.
Still have Russell Wilson at QB which played a big role in this decision. Really rooting for that 2019 1st to be somewhere in the 3-4 range
I would actually think this was a solid deal if you had put the words (likely late) instead of (mid). If that pick is late one next year, say 9-12 range this is a reasonable deal for both team, though still earlier than I'd have done it if I was going to go after 2.5.
Giving up pick 17 in the current, plus what I consider a small upgrade on talent, for a future pick in the 9-12 range for a draft that might not be as deep is a perfectly reasonable trade to me if worked out like that.
But why you won the trade today and I'd never do this if I was the other team is no way on earth am I giving up a mid second pre-draft for a potential high future pick. No way. I'd have to be OTC with a player I love to move into what I'd call consideration phase to do a trade like that. Not now.
Craig_MiamiFL
Footballguy
Coleman, 2.5
I easily could see one of Gordon/Coleman gone by end of the draft. See nothing but upside there with Coleman (given where his value is currently). Thought Ross was wildly overdrafted by the Bengals (JMO They reached big time as result of Corey Davis & Mike Williams going before their pick). If he's able to stay on the field, I think he's more of the best ball type (if he can even find his way as a WR). I do like Taylor but will have to be patient IMO with Matthews and Davis there.
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jeaton6
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The guy has been a playoff team for last 2 years so late is possible but I think 5-8 is more likely.
His key players:
Cam
Miller, Lewis, Foreman, Murray, Hill, White
Allen, Gordon, DIggs, Tate, Fitz, Garcon
Olsen
There are just some guys every year who mortgage the future because they want to get back in after they mortgaged the future the prior year.
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Matt's Eagles
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12 Team PPR TE yardage bonus
Team A got Ty Gabriel, pick 2.4, 2.10
Team B got Jimmy Graham
Team A got Ty Gabriel, pick 2.4, 2.10
Team B got Jimmy Graham
Tejas
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JohnnyU
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kutta
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Yes you do if it's a projected late one you are giving up and/or someone you view as worth a late one is OTC at pick 2.5.
You all know that people don't usually give up a similar pick in what is considered a deep draft, and add a slight talent upgrade, so they can have the same pick the next year in a potentially worst class? I mean if you are giving up pick 12 this year to get pick 12 next year you are doing this wrong. There should be an expectation of the pick you are giving up next year being better than the immediate pick you get to make this year and vice versa. In this case the posted team truly seems middling and that's not a risk I'd take giving up my future one for 2.5 unless there was a player sitting there I absolutely loved. If I thought I was giving up pick 10 next year for pick 17 this year that makes more sense, but I got to feel confident of that and have a player in mind when I make the deal. I saw Kamara drop to #17 in a draft last year, not saying this in hindsight when I say this and if I was in that draft I'd have paid my future first for that pick. In the deep WR draft in 2014 I was OTC at 2.7 and someone offered me their future #1 and I took it. They took Allen Robinson who the had a top 12 overall grade on. These are the kinds of deals that make sense, OTC when you see a player you covet still kicking.
dipandglide
Footballguy
These are my thoughts. He's a sell if you can get any kind of 2nd (maybe early 3rd). I'd hold if you can't get that equivalent.
dipandglide
Footballguy
ghostguy123
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dipandglide
Footballguy
14 teams, superflex, ppr, devy
Gave: 2.04/3.04
Got: R. Woods/3.07
The picks values are weighted down because it is a devy league, 2.04 is probably equal to 2.12 or something like that. I needed more WR depth and like Woods as a WR3/4.
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12 teams, ppr, devy
Gave: JuJu, Guice, Devy 1.01
Got: C. Davis, Chubb, Devy 1.05
I overpaid slightly, imo. I have tons of JuJu and wanted to diversify into C. Davis. Guice and Chubb are awash in my eyes. whoever lands in the better spot during the draft will likely overtake the other.
Gave: 2.04/3.04
Got: R. Woods/3.07
The picks values are weighted down because it is a devy league, 2.04 is probably equal to 2.12 or something like that. I needed more WR depth and like Woods as a WR3/4.
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12 teams, ppr, devy
Gave: JuJu, Guice, Devy 1.01
Got: C. Davis, Chubb, Devy 1.05
I overpaid slightly, imo. I have tons of JuJu and wanted to diversify into C. Davis. Guice and Chubb are awash in my eyes. whoever lands in the better spot during the draft will likely overtake the other.
Concept Coop
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-OZ-
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TheBottomLine
Footballguy
Side getting woods in first.
Guess I don't understand the second one. I'm in no way saying Davis doesn't have value, I actually really like him but I feel like most people right now have juju over him pretty easily, guice over Chubb and 1.1 or 1.5 so for value you gave all the best peices at this moment. Woulda thought with giving up those 3 decent peices you could have done more then diversify your young WR talent
fruity pebbles
Footballguy
16 team ppr
1.01, John Ross and two 2nds (one early and one late) for Hopkins
1.01, John Ross and two 2nds (one early and one late) for Hopkins
JohnnyU
Footballguy
....but Garcon and Hill? What am I missing here. You don't give a future 1st for Garcon unless you're one of those dynasty owners who quit the league after leaving the cupboard bare and old.
bengalbuck
Footballguy
I think all he's saying is it's fine to give up a future late-1st straight up for a current year mid-2nd if you have a loaded team and player you really like who you're targeting. Especially if you believe that the 2018 rookie class is deeper than the 2019 one will be.
Which in the context of this trade would mean Garcon/Hill=Richardson and 2.05=2019 late 1st.
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JohnnyU
Footballguy
Most would agree that Garcon isn't worth a future 1st regardless of the situation. Hill is waiver wire material.
CR69
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bengalbuck
Footballguy
Please re-read my post. I'm not sure how to make it clearer. Nobody is arguing this point.
People, myself included, are saying that the 2.05 in this trade isn't worth that much less than a future 1st (only if the 1st is guaranteed to be late), which has zero to do with Hill or Garcon.
Garcon/Hill is basically equal to Richardson. Garcon side probably worth a little more.
Then it comes down to 2.05 vs. future 1st, which is what this discussion is about...
JohnnyU
Footballguy
Ok then, I'll rephrase my answer to, no way I trade a future 1st for the 2.05 regardless of what I thought this draft was compared to the future year.
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I already gave a long winded reply, and gave examples, of situations where I would and that it makes sense. But right now this situation fits none of that criteria.
What I would say is there is no way I would ever trade 2.5 when I have zero idea who will be on the board.
