Fantasy Football - Footballguys Forums
Welcome to Our Forums. Once you've registered and logged in, you're primed to talk football, among other topics, with the sharpest and most experienced fantasy players on the internet.
****OFFICIAL DYNASTY TRADES**** (28 Viewers)
- Thread starter Gottabesweet
- Start date
msudaisy26
Footballguy
I thought you were the type of guy who would come back and toot his own horn. You still robbed him it doesn't matter what they do after, it is about the value at the time of the trade. . You robbed him at the time. It is going to work out for him? Sure looks like it, but keep making trades like that and you will miss more than you hit and end with very little talent on your roster.
skycriesmary
Climbing up the Walls
You type a lot of words, but sure don't say much that hasn't already been said repeatedly.msudaisy26 said:
Avery
Footballguy
10 Team PPR
Team 1 gives: D. Freeman, C. Kupp and 2019 1.05
For
Team 2 gives: K. Drake, C. Davis and 2019 2.04
The RB would be paired with McCaffrey and the WR would be a WR3 on Team 1 squad.
I think Team 1 is assuming more of the risk here (despite better unproven talent); am I delusional here?
Team 1 gives: D. Freeman, C. Kupp and 2019 1.05
For
Team 2 gives: K. Drake, C. Davis and 2019 2.04
The RB would be paired with McCaffrey and the WR would be a WR3 on Team 1 squad.
I think Team 1 is assuming more of the risk here (despite better unproven talent); am I delusional here?
kutta
Footballguy
I think the pick is on the wrong side. I prefer the players in 1 to the players in 2, so the first rounder is just a bonus.
How do you know the 2019 draft order already?
I agree that there is something missing from the Team 2 offer. Re: Draft Order—purely speculation on my part, and could be different at year end, but likely not by more than a pick.
NeverEnough
Footballguy
Pwingles
Footballguy
yeah its 1.5 ppr for TE, can start up to 3
I am not a fan of either deal. But on opposite sides.
I think in this league Burton is possibly worth more. I also think outside of catastrophic injury, he would retain his value and could still be moved later. So I dont like moving him now personally. Side note* Team A Has ertz, so he doesnt NEED Burton, but still.
The other deal is just bad from team C but he just lost Walker this week and has no real depth. Not that Ebron is depth but his weekly upside is better than average by a lot.
NeverEnough
Footballguy
Hankmoody
Footballguy
msudaisy26
Footballguy
With this scoring I would take Burton in the 1st one. I would take the pick in the 2nd
Hankmoody
Footballguy
Not intentionally, were you referring to something other than the trade here? Because if you are, I added that that was my take on it, not necessarily your words/how you saw it. Sorry, I guess I was just taking a bit of a circuitous route to make my point, didn't mean to pick at anything from you.
No problem at all, just miscommunication and for sure on my end.
I was talking about the single trade of Ebron for Foreman and a 2. My comments were not looking at totality of trade or any part of the trade involving Burton.
Hankmoody
Footballguy
Ok well i completely misread that post. I thought it was Burton and three 2nd's (late) for Ebron, Foreman, and an early 2nd. Those were two different trades haha. My bad.
Concept Coop
Footballguy
I respectfully disagree. Market value doesn't score fantasy points. Sometimes you have to surrender market value to get your guy. Maybe the new Conner owner just got lucky, or maybe he or she was just a step ahead of the rest of us.msudaisy26 said:
msudaisy26
Footballguy
That is fine, but if you keep taking less than market value or paying more than market value you will have a bad team in the long run.
Hankmoody
Footballguy
Right but that's a different equation - it's about being right. And I am a firm believer in that, I will frequently "overpay" for my guy. But that doesn't change the fact that it's an overpay. I could have traded Kareem Hunt for Phillip Lindsay and scored a bunch more points Sunday but it would still be terrible value for Hunt.
Concept Coop
Footballguy
Conner is worth more than what the owner paid today, a single game after the trade went down. Not sure your Hunt/Lindsay comparison holds up.
Concept Coop
Footballguy
Andy Dufresne
Footballguy
Milkman
Footballguy
Ray Barboni
Footballguy
Ray Barboni
Footballguy
I was the one who got Sutton but it was close for me. I prefer Sutton to Moore but I am a league favorite this year and now I have no WR3 to start
J3RS3YD3V1L
Footballguy
12 team $325 cap performance IDP.
Team A: D.Henry $6
Team B: 2nd rounder (very likely bottom 4)
Team A: D.Henry $6
Team B: 2nd rounder (very likely bottom 4)
Hankmoody
Footballguy
I don't agree with your Conner part, but you help illustrate my point here - if Lindsay and Hunt keep this pattern up then yes, it will turn out "I was right". Doesn't mean I got good value at the time of the trade though. So now we're just moving the timeline but the result is the same. At some date in the future any trade might turn out to look differently than it did on trade day - one day, 60 days, whenever. Doesn't mean it wasn't robbery when it happened.Concept Coop said:
kittenmittens
Footballguy
Not true. Market value changes. Taking less than market value for a guy whose market later drops well below what you took is a good deal. Paying more than market value for a guy whose value goes up beyond what you paid is a good deal. It's hard to predict market value, but if you do it right you profit.msudaisy26 said:
The guy who sold Calvin Johnson for a little less than market value when he turned 29 is really happy he did so...
Last edited by a moderator:
msudaisy26
Footballguy
It is difficult to be right enough to do that. I bet the guy that sold Larry Fitzgerald cheaply at 29 is regretting it.
Concept Coop
Footballguy
The time needed to bridge the gap in value acts as a measure of said gap in value. It wasn’t robbery if it took a single game to bridge that gap. It would take a whole lot more than things breaking right for a week for Lindsay to bridge the gap between he and Hunt.
I won my favorite league for the first time last year, in large part by “getting robbed” while acquiring Kamara. I don’t think the other owner finds any comfort knowing he robbed me at the time. I know I don’t lose any sleep knowing I paid 35% of his current value, wondering if I could have paid 25%, as the market would have suggested.
Maybe it was a bad trade and the owner got lucky. Or maybe they were displaying some foresight.
kittenmittens
Footballguy
I disagree. That assumes the market is efficient, and the dynasty market is wildly inefficient at times.
Look at Jerick McKinnons obviously inflated market value this off-season. There was plenty of room between actual value and market value for you to sell below market value and get a return above actual value.
I just sold Julio below market value. Had to overpay a little based on market value to get Michael Thomas, and Julio was part of the package. I'm pretty sure this is going to be a good move based on where market value for Julio and Thomas will be in a year and in 2 years... Could be wrong, but Julio's age will impact market his value very negatively even if he doesn't retire.
Dr. Octopus
Footballguy
and that we also have a limited market to actually trade in (11 other teams) as opposed to the dynasty universe.
battlestar
Footballguy
This is absolutely true.
In a 10 team Superflex, where i went to the finals last year with an old(er) roster, i realized i needed to kick off a mini-rebuild.
I am trying to trade Philip Rivers, who can still be a QB1 this year and unfortunately my options of which contending teams could use him are very limited. This is sadly going to force me to deal him for less than I would like, but i am not sure what else i can do. Trying to be patient, but having him on my roster right now is also limiting my chances at drafting 1.1.
Just sharing as an example of what you described Doc.
-OZ-
Footballguy
16 team, PPR, start QRWWWTFF plus IDP
A few trades
Godwin, Chris TBB WR for a 2nd, probably pick 24-30
Martinez, Blake GBP LB for jones, Deion ATL LB
Mayfield, Baker CLE QB;McKinnon, Jerick SFO RB;James, Jesse PIT TE for Brees, Drew NOS QB;Crowell, Isaiah NYJ RB;Cook, Jared OAK TE
Lindsay, Phillip DEN RB for Grant, Corey JAC RB;Chark, D.J. JAC WR;Fowler, Dante JAC DE
Adrian Peterson for a 4th
Martinez, Blake GBP LB for Smith, Alex WAS QB; 2020 Round 3 Draft Pick, 2019 Round 6 Draft Pick
A few trades
Godwin, Chris TBB WR for a 2nd, probably pick 24-30
Martinez, Blake GBP LB for jones, Deion ATL LB
Mayfield, Baker CLE QB;McKinnon, Jerick SFO RB;James, Jesse PIT TE for Brees, Drew NOS QB;Crowell, Isaiah NYJ RB;Cook, Jared OAK TE
Lindsay, Phillip DEN RB for Grant, Corey JAC RB;Chark, D.J. JAC WR;Fowler, Dante JAC DE
Adrian Peterson for a 4th
Martinez, Blake GBP LB for Smith, Alex WAS QB; 2020 Round 3 Draft Pick, 2019 Round 6 Draft Pick
Dr. Octopus
Footballguy
Weird trade unless the guy just really need to clear a roster spot. Godwin was a second round pick in rookie drafts who showed some flashes last year and has a chance to shine now (and had a good Week 1).
Last edited by a moderator:
EthnicFury
Footballguy
12 team .5 ppr qrrwwffd. Was strong at rb, weak at wr, and lost Delanie.
gave: 2019 3rd
got: Robert woods
gave: breida
got: Jimmy graham
gave: Eifert/Delanie
got: Lockett
gave: 2019 3rd
got: Robert woods
gave: breida
got: Jimmy graham
gave: Eifert/Delanie
got: Lockett
Dr. Octopus
Footballguy
-OZ-
Footballguy
The guy trading him away just took over the team so he might either not like Godwin or just wants to build.
Last edited by a moderator:
This is why I have moved almost exclusively to large leagues. My original dynasty league is 12 teams, but I learned quickly that my strength was at trading.
In order to maximize my victims, I'm now in 18-team single copy, 24-team dual copy, 32-team dual copy, 32-team single copy and a cluster#### 96-team 6-copy league.
