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52 minutes ago, Andy Dufresne said:

No, but it's not far.

There's a whole thread for Waston but... What's the most time he could possibly miss ? This year? Even if he did he'll definitely be playing next year again so it's not like it's worth the risk to just dump him. And what he got in return, Jones, is awful.

Totally agree.  I'd say 6 weeks to a year.  He is back next year and elite.  That was a terrible trade.  He got nothing of real value.

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33 minutes ago, ghostguy123 said:

Wow, this a terrible conversation.

Any other comments on a legit blockbuster type of trade I posted earlier?

To refresh:

Calvin Ridley and Noah Fant

For

Justin Jefferson and Terace Marshall

I think this is an extremely fair trade.  I'm not as high on Marshall as everyone else but Fant still has Lock throwing the ball to him and more comp for balls with Sutton back.  I love Ridley and Jefferson so this could go either way.  I think I slightly side with Ridley/Fant because of my feelings on Marshall but have no problem with either side at all.

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30 minutes ago, steelers1080 said:

In my league, non-ppr:

  • Team A: 1.12, Josh Jacobs, Deebo Samuel
  • Team B: 1.02 (Owner has said Pitts or Najee)

I honestly don't know if this is enough for me to trade 1.02 in standard scoring but I could see the thought process.  We just don't know what we get from Jacobs with Drake and that O-line or with Deebo's health with Aiyuk there.  I also don't see as much value at the end of the 1st this year as a lot of people.  I'd swing for the fences at 1.02 but understand the thought process here.  I would have just needed a better player back without the questions.

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14 hours ago, barackdhouse said:

Wow. Big trade. Ok here goes.

Gibson + LF = Taylor + Mostert
Cooper+Diontae+Chark+Trautman = Tyreek + Andrews

1.08 (w or w/out DJones) >>>>>>>> Beasley plus Meyers (I don't even know who that is). 

But. I can see it either way. My "math" is fuzzy and silly anyway. Cost of doing business seems about right here if anyone were going to say the 1.08 is free. Taylor/Tyreek/Andrews is a helluva get.  And the other side just got a decent starting lineup if it was needed. I'd be curious to see how the rosters looked before/after but that is one of the biggest/best trades I've seen in awhile. 

 

The way I see this trade is that I upgraded 3 starting spots RB2 WR1 and TE and downgraded 2 spots WR3 and Flex.

I think WR3 and Flex are much easier to fix.

Long term this deal may hurt a little but going for it this year.

 

Roster before was 

Herbert, Jones

Kamara, Gibson, Fournette, Henderson, Michel

Jefferson, Cooper, D Johnson, Chark. Samuel, A Brown, Slayton, G Davis

Trautman, Knox

After

Herbert

Kamara, Taylor , Mostert, Henderson, Michel

Jefferson, Hill,  Samuel, A Brown, Slayton, G Davis, Beasley, Meyers

Trautman, Knox

 

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9 minutes ago, Fruitbat said:

12 team non-ppr start 1qb/2rb/3wr/1te/1flex/1k

Derrick Henry, 3.10, 3rd/22

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2.03, 1st/22 (likely lottery top 8), 3rd/24

People know they don't HAVE to trade veterans, right?

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6 hours ago, -OZ- said:

Part of me says that's overkill.

If this is a long standing league with very few bad trades, I'd stay.

If it's new, I'm gone.

I can understand that.  But if I am a long term league member and this is the norm, I am gone. 

If it is a rare occurrance and nothing like this happened in the past, I can see waiting.  Especially since the OP was a strong contender in the league.  But I am still dumbfounded on how 6 league owners find this deal reasonable.  These are the 6 I would be sending all sorts of LOW BALL OFFERS to for them to justify why they voted to allow that trade.  

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15 minutes ago, Andy Dufresne said:

People know they don't HAVE to trade veterans, right?

This goes into the dynasty mentality of "playing for next year".  Too many dynasty owners want to get rid of a guy "a year too early" and get those shiny new toys and forget that you are still trying to win in most cases.  Playing for next year generally turns into always playing for next year.....which never comes because there is always a next year.  

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24 minutes ago, Fruitbat said:

12 team non-ppr start 1qb/2rb/3wr/1te/1flex/1k

Derrick Henry, 3.10, 3rd/22

For

2.03, 1st/22 (likely lottery top 8), 3rd/24

WHY give away D Henry?  a 1st & 2nd is 25¢ on the $1  ... that is a poor return on your investment.  Sorry, this was a bad trade for the team giving away Henry. 

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3 hours ago, sheerterror said:

To clarify, the vote went to a "board of traders" or something - and not an actual league vote.  The commissioner i suppose has an arbitrary group of 10 other people he will send votes out to, and they voted 6-5 in favor of upholding the deal.

Well I can tell you there are definitively six people who should be removed from the Board of Traders.  

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1 hour ago, Fruitbat said:

12 team non-ppr start 1qb/2rb/3wr/1te/1flex/1k

Derrick Henry, 3.10, 3rd/22

For

2.03, 1st/22 (likely lottery top 8), 3rd/24

I'm a :homer: but there's no way I'm giving Henry away for that, especially in non PPR

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1 hour ago, Jonesin For Some Football said:

I honestly don't know if this is enough for me to trade 1.02 in standard scoring but I could see the thought process.  We just don't know what we get from Jacobs with Drake and that O-line or with Deebo's health with Aiyuk there.  I also don't see as much value at the end of the 1st this year as a lot of people.  I'd swing for the fences at 1.02 but understand the thought process here.  I would have just needed a better player back without the questions.

That's fair, and I think najee > Jacobs, but even that's not a lock. Even with Drake. 

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2 hours ago, Fruitbat said:

12 team non-ppr start 1qb/2rb/3wr/1te/1flex/1k

Derrick Henry, 3.10, 3rd/22

For

2.03, 1st/22 (likely lottery top 8), 3rd/24

This is not even close to enough for King Henry.  I get moving him if you are trying to rebuild but I'd say this is light by a 1st round pick easily.  Probably an extra 1st and keeping at least one of those 3rds.  Terrible return.  It might even be worse that I just noticed this was non-PPR too which raises his value even.

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1 hour ago, -OZ- said:

That's fair, and I think najee > Jacobs, but even that's not a lock. Even with Drake. 

I totally understand the thinking and I liked Jacobs before the Raiders moves this year.  I'm a Niner fan so I like Deebo too.  I just like the upside of a top 2 pick right now.  I'm a swing big type guy but totally get the other side of this.

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2 minutes ago, Jonesin For Some Football said:

Not sure how you can project top 3 already and this could turn out decently but I probably would have waited to see who was on the clock at 1.04 before I made a deal like this.

Agreed. I’ll take the 1.04 pretty easily.

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2 hours ago, Fruitbat said:

12 team non-ppr start 1qb/2rb/3wr/1te/1flex/1k

Derrick Henry, 3.10, 3rd/22

For

2.03, 1st/22 (likely lottery top 8), 3rd/24

To pile on, terrible value for Henry.

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9 hours ago, Dr. Octopus said:

:lmao:

That's exactly what I thought when I read that.

:lmao::lmao:

They need the fully-funded trade police for this one.

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4 hours ago, ghostguy123 said:

Wow, this a terrible conversation.

Any other comments on a legit blockbuster type of trade I posted earlier?

To refresh:

Calvin Ridley and Noah Fant

For

Justin Jefferson and Terace Marshall

Not much to say when they're so fair. It's always the crazy ones that get the most talk. Or the ones that people *think* are crazy but other respected posters come in on the other side of. I like to read those. But on this one it's totally preference and needs. I probably have to go JJ and Marshall though.

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For the record I don't think Jones/Hubbard for Watson is even remotely close to as bad as the other one. Multiple orders of magnitude better. If I had other QB options and CMC I would probably not even think twice about doing this deal. I'm not a Jones believer but I don't care about Watson enough in single QB to say this one is bad.

If the deal is that he could have got a better price, then yes I understand the frustration. Anyway.

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1 hour ago, kutta said:

To pile on, terrible value for Henry.

<sheepishly slips Henry into my lineup>

Agree.  I wouldn't have sold him for that either.  But I had to buy at that price.  Initial price was 2 firsts and a 2nd, hence my psuedo-asst-coach-forum post above as I was torn.  But I turned it down because I'm about 2/3 of the way though a rebuild with a really young nucleus.  But price came down,  He really wanted to sell for some reason.  

Now I am for sure taking Chase 1.1.

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8 hours ago, tangfoot said:

Are either teams involved in this trade a member of the trade board?

Is the team that got the short end of the trade in the same division/conference as multiple members of the trade board?

People generally vote in a manner consistent with what helps them personally, rather than the integrity of the league.

 

I would (respectfully) ask the league to post the trade to Twitter to solicit unbiased opinions.  Clearly the trade board cannot be trusted.  If this trade is anything less than 95% for the Swift/Aiyuk side, I'd be shocked.

I don't disagree with the premise that greed drives a lot of people.  However, there is a faction of people out there who mumble the mantra "you can't overturn a trade unless its collusion... you can't prove collusion" in their sleep.  Bunch of sheep...

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A commish shouldn't  need a vote on something like that.  Just overturn it, explain why it is dumb using real value ADP, and that's that.  If people dont agree, they can be commish.  

If people quit, good.  The league shouldn't exist anyway if that trade is ok

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FFPC

I gave up: Antonio Gibson and Deebo Samuel

I got: Dak Prescott and Travis Etienne

I have Baker/Fields as QB's, but this allows me to cut Baker and Deebo was my Wr6 so figured I could give him up easily. This puts my team over the top with the only piece I was missing, a stud QB.

Now my likely starting lineup is something like this, with 4 good depth pieces for bye weeks. Just have to pick the right one. 

Prescott

J. Taylor, M. Sanders, C. Akers

AJ Brown, Godwin, Lamb

Kittle

Also have Javonte and Etienne as RB depth, and Sutton and Bateman was WR depth. 

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4 hours ago, dewmass said:

Not sure I got the better of this one:

12Tm PPR 1QB

Gave Godwin, 2022 2nd

Received Waddle, Bateman

I like it, I gauge it as fair, but I think Waddle & Bateman have better long term value.  

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8 hours ago, Zyphros said:

FFPC

I gave up: Antonio Gibson and Deebo Samuel

I got: Dak Prescott and Travis Etienne

 

While I admit I am not as big a Gibson believer, I think this is a good move!  The roster design makes good sense! 

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17 hours ago, Andy Dufresne said:

People know they don't HAVE to trade veterans, right?

Everyone in my league is trying to low-ball me for Dalvin Cook. "He's going to be 26", "His value will never be higher". Ok, but I also just won the championship last year, what "better value" will help me repeat?

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44 minutes ago, steelers1080 said:

Everyone in my league is trying to low-ball me for Dalvin Cook. "He's going to be 26", "His value will never be higher". Ok, but I also just won the championship last year, what "better value" will help me repeat?

26 is the new 86...

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46 minutes ago, steelers1080 said:

Everyone in my league is trying to low-ball me for Dalvin Cook. "He's going to be 26", "His value will never be higher". Ok, but I also just won the championship last year, what "better value" will help me repeat?

I tried to move Kamera and Cook (to a lesser extent) this offseason but no one wants to pay close to their value because of being 26. No reason to sell difference makers like that at less than full value.

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15 hours ago, Fruitbat said:

<sheepishly slips Henry into my lineup>

Agree.  I wouldn't have sold him for that either.  But I had to buy at that price.  Initial price was 2 firsts and a 2nd, hence my psuedo-asst-coach-forum post above as I was torn.  But I turned it down because I'm about 2/3 of the way though a rebuild with a really young nucleus.  But price came down,  He really wanted to sell for some reason.  

Now I am for sure taking Chase 1.1.

For sure you can't pass at that price.  I'd have jumped on that regardless of where my team was.  His resale value would be higher than that I'd assume.  Could flip him if needed and at worst he gives you an outside chance of contending this year.

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11 hours ago, Zyphros said:

FFPC

I gave up: Antonio Gibson and Deebo Samuel

I got: Dak Prescott and Travis Etienne

I have Baker/Fields as QB's, but this allows me to cut Baker and Deebo was my Wr6 so figured I could give him up easily. This puts my team over the top with the only piece I was missing, a stud QB.

Now my likely starting lineup is something like this, with 4 good depth pieces for bye weeks. Just have to pick the right one. 

Prescott

J. Taylor, M. Sanders, C. Akers

AJ Brown, Godwin, Lamb

Kittle

Also have Javonte and Etienne as RB depth, and Sutton and Bateman was WR depth. 

I like this trade a lot.  I'm not as high on Gibson as some in here but you can wait on Etienne a little with your RBs and Deebo hasn't proved he can stay healthy.  Others may disagree but Dak puts you in a different place with your starters that makes this worth it.

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8 hours ago, dewmass said:

Not sure I got the better of this one:

12Tm PPR 1QB

Gave Godwin, 2022 2nd

Received Waddle, Bateman

This one really could go either way.  I have no problem with either side.  Godwin is still young and who knows what you get with that future 2nd.  Waddle with Tua in Miami and Bateman on a non-passing Ravens offense could both never reach WR1 status.  I think I'd go with Godwin/2nd if I was trying to win now but if rebuilding at all I'd go with Waddle/Bateman.

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12 minutes ago, Jonesin For Some Football said:

I like this trade a lot.  I'm not as high on Gibson as some in here but you can wait on Etienne a little with your RBs and Deebo hasn't proved he can stay healthy.  Others may disagree but Dak puts you in a different place with your starters that makes this worth it.

I might be the highest in here on him but I probably take the ETN side because of Dak. And I don't even like either one of them that much but Deebo is almost unmoveable and it is worth it to unload him. I do think ETN is a small downgrade but I don't think it outweighs the difference between Dak and Deebo. You can't give Deebo away in my leagues. 

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2 minutes ago, barackdhouse said:

I might be the highest in here on him but I probably take the ETN side because of Dak. And I don't even like either one of them that much but Deebo is almost unmoveable and it is worth it to unload him. I do think ETN is a small downgrade but I don't think it outweighs the difference between Dak and Deebo. You can't give Deebo away in my leagues. 

Gibson is a poor mans CMC. He’s going to explode this year.

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6 minutes ago, Jonesin For Some Football said:

I don't see that personally.  I could see him having the type of sophomore season that we just saw Miles Sanders have last year when everyone was jocking him after his rookie season.

McKissic as a pass catching specialist really limits one of Gibson’s strengths.  I like Gibson well enough, but I think he’ll end up being best used as a 12-15 carry, 3-4 catch type rather than a 20+ carry per game workhorse.  I think he’s a bit overvalued in dynasty rankings, and a good offer would get me to move off of him.

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4 minutes ago, SayWhat? said:

McKissic as a pass catching specialist really limits one of Gibson’s strengths.  I like Gibson well enough, but I think he’ll end up being best used as a 12-15 carry, 3-4 catch type rather than a 20+ carry per game workhorse.  I think he’s a bit overvalued in dynasty rankings, and a good offer would get me to move off of him.

Totally agreed.  Plus, he didn't get a ton of work in college and when they leaned on him just a bit last year he broke down.  I just don't see him ever getting the workload like you said.

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1 hour ago, Mark Football said:

12 team PPR 

A. M. Sanders, B. Aiyuk, 2022 4th

B. J. Conner, A.J. Brown, 2022 2nd

AJ side for me, he's the best piece, though I like Sanders a good bit more than Conner, so seems fair enough.

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