That a no they didn’t or yes it’s easy to claim you’re someone else?good god dude
"Democrats don't care about illegal voting because illegal voters vote for them! I know it because I, a rabid Trump supporter, voted illegally!"Hey powers that be...this guy just admitted to a felony on your message board. Can you please send his IP and information to the proper authorities? He should probably just self-report consider how much he's apparently against fraudulent voting.
It appears that Russia did some funny things. Perhaps they even did manage to hack the elections. Do you think they sent over a couple hundred thousand Russians who illegally voted in the election?That a no they didn’t or yes it’s easy to claim you’re someone else?
The GOP isn't going to change for the better, expect them to get even worse. How do you deal with it?It’s really not from both sides... currently. The way Republicans are going about stuff is... just wrong. They complain for 8 years about ramming bills through, which was never the case, and now they are taking that reality and ramming things through like never before in our history. It’s cruel, unusual, damning, and dangerous to what America is supposed to be about. And, Republicans seem to be okay with the bastardization of our Constitution, rule of law, and intelligence. It’s disgusting.
Governments track who votes. It’s how Republican state legislators in states like Ohio came up with the idea of un-registering voters who sat out the last couple elections and making them re-register if they want to vote next time.We do track who votes. Parties do for sure. They rank voters by likleihood of securing their vote and can specifically target any demographic they want down to the neighborhood level.
So this is obviously a pathetic, juvenile insult. And it's obvious to me you're lashing out there because you are unable or unwilling to address the substantive critiques of your voter ID arguments.You really need to get out of your parents basement
I never saw data on this. Is there any correlation to any particular political demo?So this is obviously a pathetic, juvenile insult. And it's obvious to me you're lashing out there because you are unable or unwilling to address the substantive critiques of your voter ID arguments.
But it also doesn't make a lick of sense as applied to left-leaning posters. The stereotype of a posting from one's parents' basement is of an (obviously) single suburban/rural man who spends a lot of time online. I don't think I've ever heard the insult directed at a woman. But single suburban/rural men who spend a lot of time online are decidedly NOT a left-leaning demographic, so ...?
Can't say what? That I want American citizens only voting? Of course I do.I think he knows what he wants. He just knows he can't directly say it, and it is very difficult to make the point while dancing around the root motivation. It's a tough job.
Not sure what you're asking here. Male and suburban/rural are both right-leaning demos, so obviously it's a safe bet that if you combine the two the demo would be far to the right.I never saw data on this. Is there any correlation to any particular political demo?
As has been explained to you repeatedly and you've refused to address repeatedly, that's already the case. You're attempting to solve a problem that doesn't exist, and your solution would create real problems, namely posing needless new barriers for American citizens who want to vote. If you want to do something that blatantly un-democratic and IMO un-American, you better have a good reason for it. But you've offered no reason that withstands any scrutiny at all.Can't say what? That I want American citizens only voting? Of course I do.
I think I read into your and the previous post. I thought you were saying something specifically about adult males that live at home with their parents.Not sure what you're asking here. Male and suburban/rural are both right-leaning demos, so obviously it's a safe bet that if you combine the two the demo would be far to the right.
Do you believe that apples and kumquats are the same thing?So Russians didn't hack the election?
As has been explained to you repeatedly and you've refused to address repeatedly, that's already the case. You're attempting to solve a problem that doesn't exist, and your solution would create real problems, namely posing needless new barriers for American citizens who want to vote. If you want to do something that blatantly un-democratic and IMO un-American, you better have a good reason for it. But you've offered no reason that withstands any scrutiny at all.
You all complain all the time about how this place is a liberal echo chamber. So here you go- I'm giving you a chance to explain why one of your ideas is a good one. I promise I'll hear you out and respond once you maker a substantive point in defense, one that you can back with evidence and whose logic stands up after 30 seconds of consideration.
Nah, just saying "posting from your mother's basement" is a really weird insult for these posters to be throwing at left-leaning posters given the stereotype/demographics. It's like telling a right-leaning poster to take it to the barista at his fair trade coffee shop in Williamsburg.I think I read into your and the previous post. I thought you were saying something specifically about adult males that live at home with their parents.
If only there was some way to tabulate if these dead people actually voted....Average voters understand that it’s only common sense to require ID because of how easy it is for people to pretend they are someone else. Filmmaker James O’Keefe demonstrated just how easy it is in 2012 when he dispatched an assistant to the Nebraska Avenue polling place in Washington where Attorney General Holder has been registered for the last 29 years. O’Keefe specializes in the same use of hidden cameras that was pioneered by the recently deceased Mike Wallace, who used the technique to devastating effect in exposing fraud in Medicare claims and consumer products on 60 Minutes. O’Keefe’s efforts helped expose the fraud-prone voter-registration group ACORN with his video stings, and has had great success demonstrating this year in New Hampshire, Vermont, and Minnesota just how easy it is to obtain a ballot by giving the name of a dead person who is still on the rolls. Indeed, a new study by the Pew Research Center found at least 1.8 million dead people are still registered to vote. They aren’t likely to complain if someone votes in their place.
You're relying on O'Keefe? He's a known fraud who doctors his videos, had to pay $100,000 to an ACORN employee and was required to apologize in open court.Average voters understand that it’s only common sense to require ID because of how easy it is for people to pretend they are someone else. Filmmaker James O’Keefe demonstrated just how easy it is in 2012 when he dispatched an assistant to the Nebraska Avenue polling place in Washington where Attorney General Holder has been registered for the last 29 years. O’Keefe specializes in the same use of hidden cameras that was pioneered by the recently deceased Mike Wallace, who used the technique to devastating effect in exposing fraud in Medicare claims and consumer products on 60 Minutes. O’Keefe’s efforts helped expose the fraud-prone voter-registration group ACORN with his video stings, and has had great success demonstrating in 2012 in New Hampshire, Vermont, and Minnesota just how easy it is to obtain a ballot by giving the name of a dead person who is still on the rolls. Indeed, a new study by the Pew Research Center found at least 1.8 million dead people are still registered to vote. They aren’t likely to complain if someone votes in their place.
https://www.washingtonpost.com/opinions/voter-id-laws-are-good-protection-against-fraud/2011/07/08/gIQAGnURBI_story.html?noredirect=on&utm_term=.96f796a14d6eYou're relying on O'Keefe? He's a known fraud who doctors his videos, had to pay $100,000 to an ACORN employee and was required to apologize in open court.
The editorial asserted that voter fraud is a “minuscule” problem and that I failed to show that any of the 221 incidents of voter fraud reported in Kansas between 1997 and 2010 resulted in convictions.LOL at Mr. Common Sense JohnnyU basing things on convicted and discredited Scam Artist James O'Keefe. Liberal tears overflowing here again laughing.
What's the first word on that page Johnny? Ren has this problem too. It's cool, man. Go read that first word and report back.If not his article, how about one from the liberal Washington Post?
https://www.washingtonpost.com/opinions/voter-id-laws-are-good-protection-against-fraud/2011/07/08/gIQAGnURBI_story.html?noredirect=on&utm_term=.96f796a14d6e
An opinion piece written by Kris Kobach. Go back a page and read about him from Bruce Dickinson.If not his article, how about one from the liberal Washington Post?
https://www.washingtonpost.com/opinions/voter-id-laws-are-good-protection-against-fraud/2011/07/08/gIQAGnURBI_story.html?noredirect=on&utm_term=.96f796a14d6e
So, you leftist laugh at everyone who provides reasonable dialogue on voter fraud....got it. I'm sure I could dig up a lot more instances of voter fraud that could be curtailed with voter IDs.An opinion piece written by Kris Kobach. Go back a page and read about him from Bruce Dickinson.
OK, so your argument is that we should use voter ID because otherwise people could use the names of dead people to vote twice?Average voters understand that it’s only common sense to require ID because of how easy it is for people to pretend they are someone else. Filmmaker James O’Keefe demonstrated just how easy it is in 2012 when he dispatched an assistant to the Nebraska Avenue polling place in Washington where Attorney General Holder has been registered for the last 29 years. O’Keefe specializes in the same use of hidden cameras that was pioneered by the recently deceased Mike Wallace, who used the technique to devastating effect in exposing fraud in Medicare claims and consumer products on 60 Minutes. O’Keefe’s efforts helped expose the fraud-prone voter-registration group ACORN with his video stings, and has had great success demonstrating this year in New Hampshire, Vermont, and Minnesota just how easy it is to obtain a ballot by giving the name of a dead person who is still on the rolls. Indeed, a new study by the Pew Research Center found at least 1.8 million dead people are still registered to vote. They aren’t likely to complain if someone votes in their place.
Please do. Your beloved Kobach has been trying for years and years to do so and has failed.So, you leftist laugh at everyone who provides reasonable dialogue on voter fraud....got it. I'm sure I could dig up a lot more instances of voter fraud that could be curtailed with voter IDs.
All you leftist do is misdirect. You know voter fraud is out there and that voter ids could help with it. Admit it!!!So when JohnnyU describes a Kris Kobach editorial as an article from the liberal Washington Post, is it because he's trying to trick us and doesn't think we'll click on the link? Or is it that he actually thinks that is an apt description of the piece? I don't know which is worse.
You cited an opinion column written by a reviled and discredited voter fraud crusader as being an "article from the Liberal Washington Post"?Then perhaps the article from the Liberal Washington Post is more credible for you
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The editorial asserted that voter fraud is a “minuscule” problem and that I failed to show that any of the 221 incidents of voter fraud reported in Kansas between 1997 and 2010 resulted in convictions.
In fact, I presented this information to the Kansas legislature in January, and the numbers were extensively reported by the media. The 221 incidents of voter fraud included absentee ballot fraud, impersonation of another voter and other crimes. The vast majority of the cases were never investigated fully because Kansas county attorneys lack the time and resources to pursue voter fraud at the expense of other criminal investigations. Of the approximately 30 cases that were fully investigated, seven resulted in prosecutions. All seven yielded convictions.
The frequency of voter fraud in Kansas is not unusual. Unfortunately, voter fraud has become a well-documented reality in American elections.
The editorial cited figures from New York University’s Brennan Center comparing the number of reported cases of voter fraud in a state to the number of votes cast in the state. Not surprisingly, the percentages are small."
You literally just misrepresented a Kris Kobach editorial as a Wshington Post article like five minutes ago. Maybe not the best time to accuse others of misdirection.All you leftist do is misdirect. You know voter fraud is out there and that voter ids could help with it. Admit it!!!
But if I read it on the internet it has to be true, right?How did we get to the point where we have well off educated people not being able to tell the difference between frauds and con artists and reality? Has it always been like this? Do older people just fall for this stuff easier?
I linked that from the Washington Post.You cited an opinion column written by a reviled and discredited voter fraud crusader as being an "article from the Liberal Washington Post"?
Come on.
My mistake on that. I quoted a link from the Post.You literally just misrepresented a Kris Kobach editorial as a Wshington Post article like five minutes ago. Maybe not the best time to accuse others of misdirection.
It was an OPINION column in the Washington Post written by Kris Kobach. Did you even read it?I linked that from the Washington Post.
Kobach did such a lousy job defending a new Kansas voter registration law he tried to get passed as KS Secretary Of State, the judge sentenced Kobach to Remedial Law SchoolPlease do. Your beloved Kobach has been trying for years and years to do so and has failed.
Of course I read it. Just saying there are a lot of people out there that give good "opinions" about voter fraud. Saying it doesn't exist is BS and we both know voter IDs could help.It was an OPINION column in the Washington Post written by Kris Kobach. Did you even read it?
Nothing in all the world is more dangerous than sincere ignorance and conscientious stupidity. Martin Luther King, Jr.
I'll go ahead and pull some of the text I linked about Kobach and his attempts to demonstrate voter fraud in a courtroom. Maybe after you read it you can share with us whether you still think this is misdirection and that Kobach is a valid source of information:All you leftist do is misdirect. You know voter fraud is out there and that voter ids could help with it. Admit it!!!
BTW the judge in question was a W appointee.But things didn’t go well for him in the Kansas City courtroom, as Robinson’s opinion made clear. Kobach’s strongest evidence of non-citizen registration was anemic at best: Over a 20-year period, fewer than 40 non-citizens had attempted to register in one Kansas county that had 130,000 voters. Most of those 40 improper registrations were the result of mistakes or confusion rather than intentional attempts to mislead, and only five of the 40 managed to cast a vote.
One of Kobach’s own experts even rebutted arguments made by both Kobach and President Donald Trump. The expert testified that a handful of improper registrations could not be extrapolated to conclude that 2.8 million fraudulent votes — roughly, the gap between Hillary Clinton and Trump in the popular vote tally — had been cast in the 2016 presidential election. Testimony from a second key expert for Kobach also fizzled.
As the judge’s opinion noted, Kobach insisted the meager instances of cheating revealed at trial are just “the tip of the iceberg.” As she explained, “This trial was his opportunity to produce credible evidence of that iceberg, but he failed to do so.” Dismissing the testimony by Kobach’s witnesses as unpersuasive, Robinson drew what she called “the more obvious conclusion that there is no iceberg; only an icicle largely created by confusion and administrative error.”
By the time the trial was over, Kobach, a charismatic 52-year-old whose broad shoulders and imposing height make him resemble an aging quarterback, seemed to have shrunk inside his chair at the defense table.
The MSM targets the people that they know need it to continue their narrative.How did we get to the point where we have well off educated people not being able to tell the difference between frauds and con artists and reality? Has it always been like this? Do older people just fall for this stuff easier?
Except we've been saying that it doesn't exist in significant numbers, and that voter ID laws wouldn't help, for several pages. And we've carefully explained why that's the case, using logical arguments and facts and citations. And you haven't been able to rebut a single word of any of it. So who's shoveling BS, exactly?Of course I read it. Just saying there are a lot of people out there that give good "opinions" about voter fraud. Saying it doesn't exist is BS and we both know voter IDs could help.
Ok, I agree, there is no voter fraud in America and we shouldn't worry ourselves about it. Having said that, look for voter ID laws coming to a state near you.I'll go ahead and pull some of the text I linked about Kobach and his attempts to demonstrate voter fraud in a courtroom. Maybe after you read it you can share with us whether you still think this is misdirection and that Kobach is a valid source of information:
BTW the judge in question was a W appointee.
I didn't say there's no voter fraud. I'm sure there's a couple nutjobs out there in a country of 325 million. I said there's no voter fraud problem, certainly not to the point that it outweighs te importance of removing barriers for people to participate in democracy. Do you agree? If so, why do you support voter ID laws?Ok, I agree, there is no voter fraud in America and we shouldn't worry ourselves about it. Having said that, look for voter ID laws coming to a state near you.
That is a lie. I don’t care if Q himself directed you to come in here and say that. It isn’t true, you should be ashamed to say it, and you should retract it and apologize.you readily accept and eat up anything you see on the MSM, including newspapers, magazines, on line shows, opinion pieces etc. etc. etc.
Kobach does not have good opinionsJust saying there are a lot of people out there that give good "opinions" about voter fraud.
I know voter fraud is out there similarly to the idea that I know big foot is out there. I mean people can show me sketchy evidence for it but honestly if there is one big foot out there does it really matter?All you leftist do is misdirect. You know voter fraud is out there and that voter ids could help with it. Admit it!!!So when JohnnyU describes a Kris Kobach editorial as an article from the liberal Washington Post, is it because he's trying to trick us and doesn't think we'll click on the link? Or is it that he actually thinks that is an apt description of the piece? I don't know which is worse.