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So now Murray is gone, and DeAndre is listed ahead of J. Richard on last depth charts.  Is this his job now?  Are they really going to draft a RB high?  This guy could see an even bigger surge in value than already with Latavius leaving town.

Almost 100 carries at 5.4 ypc and caught 17 balls in limited time as a rookie.

I like what I see

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13 minutes ago, gianmarco said:

So now Murray is gone, and DeAndre is listed ahead of J. Richard on last depth charts.  Is this his job now?  Are they really going to draft a RB high?  This guy could see an even bigger surge in value than already with Latavius leaving town.

Almost 100 carries at 5.4 ypc and caught 17 balls in limited time as a rookie.

I like what I see

I like him and was a fan but during the season Richard seemed to be the go to and seemed to make the most of his carries. I do believe that we will see Richard as the lead back in this offense, and/or it'll be a nightmare RBBC

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2 minutes ago, WheelsUp said:

Almost every team does a RBBC. Few exceptions, but almost every is RBBC.

Not all are fantasy nightmares. NYG comes to mind as a backfield everyone just runs away from. Vs Green Bay last year a RB had legitimate value in the second half of the year. 

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NYG had a committee barring injury. Jennings was hurt came back to take some snaps. NYG has been one of the biggest headaches, I agree not all are as bad as others, but most are still committees.

The question would be, does one of these two (or a third we don't know about yet) emerge as a fantasy relevant back. In what they did last year Richard seemed to be more consistent with carries, however not by much. Both Washington and Richard averaged over 5.0 YPC and neither had over 90 carries. So the waters are very muddy. 

I was on the Washington train week 1 of last year and on the Richard train week 16 so I'm biased. But based on what we saw in the later part of the year it looked like Richard had emerged more than Washington had. Richard was definitely used more as a receiving back than Washington, so that may improve his value to a degree. 

I'll admit my bias here, I'm a Richard owner. Was planning on Murray leaving and keeping Richard for a cheap draft pick. So I am obviously hoping Richard emerges as the go-to but Washington is talented and it may very well be a two headed monster. Similar to what TB has historically run with Martin running and Sims taking the passing downs. Both might be startable as the Raiders do like to run the ball

Murray had 195 carries last year... those have to go to someone. Even if it's 50/50 split between Richard and Washington, then each would have ~130 carries, which can mean each can have some pretty big fantasy value. 

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Washington is a poor man's Richard. They are very similar in every aspect, except Washington has a bit more power, while Richard has better vision and WAY better lateral movement/shiftiness. That dude can make video game moves that very few RBs in the league can.

But last year, at least, both had a severe flaw compared to Lat Murray. While their per carry average was higher, it was because both would pop big runs with more frequency. However, Murray was much more consistent with his runs (i.e. much lower standard deviation). Go back to the Raiders thread and you'll see a post I made last season with an article that points this out very well. The Raiders running game suffered when Murray was lost due to the lack of consistent ~4 yd gains, even though the twin rooks were popping big runs here and there.

Based on that, unless the rooks get stronger (they might), I fully expect the Raiders to add a third "power" back to this committee, via draft or FA; or at the least, incorporate more runs for Jamize Olawale, who like Marcel Reece before him, has been very productive as a runner when given the opportunity, even though it's been relatively rare.

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DeAndre Washington has been getting "all second-team running back reps" over Jalen Richard at Raiders camp.

It's notable because Richard out-targeted and averaged more yards per touch than Washington last year. Washington is a better stylistic complement to early-down bruiser Marshawn Lynch, though, and is likely being markered in as the Raiders' passing-down specialist. Were 31-year-old Lynch to break down again like he did in 2015, we'd expect a near-even Washington-Richard split.

Source: Vic Tafur on Twitter 

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On 3/16/2017 at 11:56 AM, LawFitz said:

Washington is a poor man's Richard. They are very similar in every aspect, except Washington has a bit more power, while Richard has better vision and WAY better lateral movement/shiftiness. That dude can make video game moves that very few RBs in the league can.

Interesting that you think Washinton had better power than Richard. I was thinking the opposite because Richard runs with better pad level than Washington. What causes you to think that Washington has more power than Richard?

On 3/16/2017 at 11:56 AM, LawFitz said:

But last year, at least, both had a severe flaw compared to Lat Murray. While their per carry average was higher, it was because both would pop big runs with more frequency. However, Murray was much more consistent with his runs (i.e. much lower standard deviation). Go back to the Raiders thread and you'll see a post I made last season with an article that points this out very well. The Raiders running game suffered when Murray was lost due to the lack of consistent ~4 yd gains, even though the twin rooks were popping big runs here and there.

Based on that, unless the rooks get stronger (they might), I fully expect the Raiders to add a third "power" back to this committee, via draft or FA; or at the least, incorporate more runs for Jamize Olawale, who like Marcel Reece before him, has been very productive as a runner when given the opportunity, even though it's been relatively rare.

Yeah in the case that Lynch does not pan out or is injured at some point, I wonder if Elijah Hood might have a short yardage role similar to Murray and a 3 way RBBC develops again?

Hood has a lot of limitations, but he is a pretty solid power RB imo.

I tend to think Richard is the direct back up for Lynch at this point and would get more playing time if Lynch is not available or delivering, as pointed out by Faust's post above. That Washington has a COP receiving RB role and might be used more than RIchard if Lynch is doing well. But I haven't ruled out the possibility of a 3rd RB stepping up in that scenario, such as Hood.

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1 hour ago, Biabreakable said:

Interesting that you think Washinton had better power than Richard. I was thinking the opposite because Richard runs with better pad level than Washington. What causes you to think that Washington has more power than Richard?

Yeah in the case that Lynch does not pan out or is injured at some point, I wonder if Elijah Hood might have a short yardage role similar to Murray and a 3 way RBBC develops again?

Hood has a lot of limitations, but he is a pretty solid power RB imo.

I tend to think Richard is the direct back up for Lynch at this point and would get more playing time if Lynch is not available or delivering, as pointed out by Faust's post above. That Washington has a COP receiving RB role and might be used more than RIchard if Lynch is doing well. But I haven't ruled out the possibility of a 3rd RB stepping up in that scenario, such as Hood.

Yeah, Hood has about 25 lbs. on both Washington and Richard. I was a pretty big fan of Richard last year but the reality of the situation is that OAK likes to spread the ball around on offense in general. Although I'm sure there would be PPR flex value somewhere in this backfield in the event Lynch were to go down, none of these back-ups are a priority own, even if I were to draft Lynch.

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17 hours ago, SameSongNDance said:

Yeah, Hood has about 25 lbs. on both Washington and Richard. I was a pretty big fan of Richard last year but the reality of the situation is that OAK likes to spread the ball around on offense in general. Although I'm sure there would be PPR flex value somewhere in this backfield in the event Lynch were to go down, none of these back-ups are a priority own, even if I were to draft Lynch.

Agreed. Even healthy I don't see there being a true #1, 300+ touch back in Oakland. Lynch's #1 RB value is directly tied to his TD upside not yardage or receptions.

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DeAndre Washington started the Raiders' preseason opener on Saturday, rushing five times for 16 yards.

With Marshawn Lynch chilling on the sideline, Washington "started," but ended up rotating series evenly with Jalen Richard. It's been unclear who has the lead to serve as Lynch's primary backup. The San Francisco Chronicle reported last week that Washington was getting "all" the second-team reps, but then the Raiders promptly listed Richard ahead of him on the depth chart. It could take the entire summer to sort out. More than likely, Washington and Richard will rotate like they did behind Latavius Murray in 2016.

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DeAndre Washington rushed three times for four yards in the Raiders' Week 1 win over the Titans, adding two catches for 18 yards.

Washington was the Raiders' first back off the bench behind Marshawn Lynch, checking in on Oakland's second series, but Jalen Richard also got work on the same possession. Richard ended up out-touching Washington 6-5. It's essentially exactly how Washington and Richard were used in 2016 behind Latavius Murray. The Raiders are committed to keeping Lynch fresh, but it will be with a rotation behind him, not a clear No. 2.

 

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2 minutes ago, Max Power said:

Is this guy worth holding on to? See if he catches on with another team. I always liked his talent. 

Been wondering the same thing. Have him in 2 leagues still but keep wanting to drop him. Just don't see any value in Oakland and he's apparently at best a 3rd down back even if Oakland cuts him and he latched on elsewhere. I'll likely be dropping him soon.

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Raiders Injury Update: Key Offensive Starter out, Josh Jacobs Questionable

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Are Jalen Richard or DeAndre Washington Worth a Fantasy Add?

In most fantasy football leagues, it’s playoff season. If you have Josh Jacobs on your roster, there’s no doubt he’s been one of your most productive players. He sure has picked an inconvenient time to be questionable, but not all will be lost if he doesn’t play. The Raiders are going to run the ball and it doesn’t matter who is in the backfield. DeAndre Washington will likely be the main fill-on for Jacobs. Jalen Richard has upside as a pass-catcher but doesn’t bring much to the running game.

Over these final stretch of games, adding Washington would be a good call. If the Raiders continue to lose, the team will almost certainly shut Jacobs down for the year. That means Washington will get a lot of looks. Trent Brown being out is concerning as he has been a big reason Jacobs has been successful. Regardless, Oakland relies heavily on its running backs as pass catchers and runners.

 

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56 minutes ago, Faust said:

Raiders Injury Update: Key Offensive Starter out, Josh Jacobs Questionable

Excerpt: The Raiders are going to run the ball and it doesn't matter who is in the backfield.

That excerpt is a bit hyperbolic. Actually, they throw quite a bit when the match up doesn't work in their favor. That said, Jacobs has averaged 17 rushes a game, and in games in the 10-15 touch range, you saw a lot of throwing the ball (and turnovers, frankly) to Waller, Renfrow, and Richard.

Just poking in here as a watcher this year.  .

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DeAndre Washington rushed 14 times for 53 yards and one touchdown in the Raiders' Week 14 loss to the Titans, adding 6-43-0 as a receiver.

Washington out-touched Jalen Richard, 20-9, with Josh Jacobs (shoulder) sidelined. NFL Media's Ian Rapoport reported Jacobs is headed for an MRI to access the damage to his painful fractured shoulder, so Washington may be the lead back in Week 15 against the Jaguars, who have basically given up on the season. Washington will rightfully be one of the top waiver adds of the week as a potential low-end RB2 option.

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I picked up Dwash over Mostert, own Jacob's and I dont trust Shanny to not pull the hey give Tevin carries against his old team, or Brieda is on fire feed him! Dwash just has Richard to deal with in his usual role against the depleted Jags

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8 hours ago, Stat Correction said:

So....anyone rolling him out in their week 15 playoff game? If so, over whom?

Was lucky enough to grab him overnight. Amazing how once the playoffs start, a ton of owners (who are in the consolation round) check out.

Will debating two of K. Drake, P. Laird, and D. Washington for both of my PPR flex positions.

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Josh Jacobs (shoulder) won't play in Week 16 against the Chargers.

Coach Jon Gruden will hold the rookie out and re-evaluate his shoulder injury prior to Oakland's regular season finale. DeAndre Washington played 63 percent of Oakland's offensive snaps in Jacobs' lone absence this year, handling 14 carries and 7 of the team's 10 running back targets in that particular matchup. He's an immediate RB2/FLEX against the Chargers on Sunday, especially given his previous goal line role over Jalen Richard on two of the team's three carries inside the 10-yard line in Week 14.

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Raiders place RT Trent Brown (pectoral) on injured reserve.

Coach Jon Gruden also ruled out Josh Jacobs (shoulder) for Sunday. Brown's season comes to a close with 11 games and a Pro Bowl nomination in his first year with the Raiders after resetting the market with a four-year, $66 million contract in March. The 26-year-old proved to be an integral cog of Oakland's elite pass-pro despite unexpectedly switching positions in training camp. Second-year third-rounder Brandon Parker will close the year in an immense drop-off on the right side of their line.

SOURCE: Paul Gutierrez on Twitter

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DeAndre Washington rushed 23 times for 85 yards and one touchdown in the Raiders' 24-17, Week 16 win over the Chargers.

He added two catches for 21 yards on three targets, totaling 25 touches in place of Josh Jacobs (shoulder) atop the depth chart. Jalen Richard pitched in with 30 yards on his nine touches as the breather back. Washington had a quiet first half but helped salt the clock away in the win over the final 30 minutes, capping the opening drive of the third quarter with a short touchdown run. Jacobs is going to attempt to play Week 17 at Denver, but there's no point in him doing so.

 

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Chiefs signed RB DeAndre Washington, formerly of the Raiders, to a one-year contract.

Washington, who has averaged 3.4 yards per carry since 2017, will compete for backup duties behind Super Bowl star Damien Williams. In Oakland, Washington was primarily used as a rotational third-down back. He caught 36-of-41 targets for 292 yards last season and figures to be a low-volume check-down option in 2020 for former Texas Tech teammate Patrick Mahomes. Washington will have to beat out second-year pro Darwin Thompson to be on the fantasy radar. 

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Funny, I don't think there will be much excitement about this signing for fantasy because there's nothing sexy about Washington. But if the Chiefs drafted a guy with an identical skill set to Washington in the 5th round or something, he'd probably be a second round rookie pick and people would be hyping that player beyond belief (see Darwin Thompson last year). 

I actually don't think the Chiefs will use any kind of decent draft capital on a RB. Why would they? Because we think Damien Williams is average? They showed last year (as other teams have) that you can win a SB with a rotation of competent backs that suit your system. Why go away from that? Williams, Darrel, Washington and Thompson is plenty fine. 

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2 minutes ago, RushHour said:

I actually don't think the Chiefs will use any kind of decent draft capital on a RB.

I see it as opposite.  They will if the talent is equitable for one of their picks.

For a RB anything as a 3 or 4 is strong capital. And they only have a single 5th with no picks later.

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1 hour ago, RushHour said:

Funny, I don't think there will be much excitement about this signing for fantasy because there's nothing sexy about Washington. But if the Chiefs drafted a guy with an identical skill set to Washington in the 5th round or something, he'd probably be a second round rookie pick and people would be hyping that player beyond belief (see Darwin Thompson last year). 

I actually don't think the Chiefs will use any kind of decent draft capital on a RB. Why would they? Because we think Damien Williams is average? They showed last year (as other teams have) that you can win a SB with a rotation of competent backs that suit your system. Why go away from that? Williams, Darrel, Washington and Thompson is plenty fine. 

I agree completely. I really like Washington, he wasn't really a great fit for a Gruden offense, but I think he'll be a perfect fit for Reid. I think at the very least he's an upgrade from what McCoy was last year, and I think its not out of line he pushes for 10+ touches a week.

Excellent low cost signing by Kansas City.

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How Damien Williams’ choice to opt-out affects fantasy football

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Beyond Edwards-Helaire, I think the other running back I would want might be DeAndre Washington. We have already seen how volatile the offseason can be, so taking a late-round flier makes sense. He already has chemistry with the NFL’s $500 million man as they played together at Texas Tech. 

While the three-game sample size is small, Washington did an excellent job when starting in place of Josh Jacobs when he was in Oakland. He averaged 20.5 fantasy points per game and was an RB1 in each of those weeks. 

 

 

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On 4/8/2020 at 10:31 PM, travdogg said:

I agree completely. I really like Washington, he wasn't really a great fit for a Gruden offense, but I think he'll be a perfect fit for Reid. I think at the very least he's an upgrade from what McCoy was last year, and I think its not out of line he pushes for 10+ touches a week.

Excellent low cost signing by Kansas City.

Well, it was a winding road, and it wasn't how I was expecting, but I'm sticking with this statement.

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I grabbed him off waivers before the season ending in hopes he'd reunite with Kingsbury as a FA. He had insane numbers back at Texas Tech. I guess this is about as good as we can get but it was worrying that Kliff didn't want him on what should have been a pretty cheap contract and he already knows the playbook front to back. Thought that was a no brainer.

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Fantasy Football Impact: Damien Williams Opts Out Due to COVID-19

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2) Who are you targeting behind CEH as the backup to own in Kansas City?

I can’t imagine they’ll proceed without signing someone to fill that role, be it Miller, Freeman, or bringing back in LeSean McCoy. Depending on who it is, they may be the best handcuff, but more likely than not, there is no direct replacement were CEH to suffer an injury. This would probably end up being a heavily split backfield as we’ve seen Reid use before when his starter goes down. Darwin Thompson is the best bet who is currently on the roster, though.
– Bobby Sylvester (@bobbyfantasypro)

I’m not targeting anyone as of now because, frankly, we just don’t know who the primary backup will be. But if I’m drafting today, the first Chiefs running back not named Clyde Edwards-Helaire that I’d be drafting is DeAndre Washington. The concerns about the lack of preseason games apply to Washington, too, but the bottom line is that the Chiefs went out and signed Washington, the exact type of veteran back that Andy Reid likes to have in his system, despite having Darwin Thompson and Darrel Williams on the roster. So, if I absolutely had to choose a backup, it would be him. But, because we don’t know how this shakes out, including whether the Chiefs sign someone new, I wouldn’t even bother worrying about it much if you’re drafting today.
– Dan Harris (@danharris80)

I fully expect the Chiefs to sign someone that’s currently a free agent like Devonta Freeman or Lamar Miller, but if you’re in a deep Dynasty league right now and you have an open spot at the end of your bench, DeAndre Washington is worth adding to your roster just in case.
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On 7/30/2020 at 2:04 PM, Faust said:

...if I’m drafting today, the first Chiefs running back not named Clyde Edwards-Helaire that I’d be drafting is DeAndre Washington. The concerns about the lack of preseason games apply to Washington, too, but the bottom line is that the Chiefs went out and signed Washington, the exact type of veteran back that Andy Reid likes to have in his system

Adam Levitan@adamlevitan

Shower Narrative Reminder: Patrick Mahomes and DeAndre Washington spent two years together at Texas Tech. In 2015 they connected for a 41-385-2 receiving line. And countless showers.

8:54 AM · Jul 30, 2020

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OK, does anybody know WTF Levitan is hinting at with this 'shower narrative'?  

Other than that mystery Washington and Mahomes played together and put up 'decent' numbers and Reid likes guys like this in his system.  Has to be worthy of a low-risk flyer.

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ESPN's Adam Teicher left Chiefs RB DeAndre Washington off his projected 53-man roster.

Washington was signed this offseason on a one-year contract, but he may not survive final cuts this Saturday. Teicher believes Clyde Edwards-Helaire's presence as the "lead" gives Kansas City the opportunity to use one less roster spot on a running back. If that's the case, Washington would be out with Darrel Williams set as the rookie's direct backup and potentially running mate. At this point, Williams, not Washington, is the preferred dart throw in the double-digit rounds of fantasy drafts.

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https://arrowheadaddict.com/2020/10/09/deandre-washington-promotion-questions-darwin-thompson-chiefs/amp/

This is a storyline going under the radar that may be more important from a CEH cuff standpoint than people think. If he is on the active roster tomorrow, I would be stashing him in deep leagues just in case. Neither Williams nor Thompson have showed anything worth keeping around, Washington had a good training camp, and his skill set aligns better with CEH should he get injured. 

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7 hours ago, AZ3030 said:

https://arrowheadaddict.com/2020/10/09/deandre-washington-promotion-questions-darwin-thompson-chiefs/amp/

This is a storyline going under the radar that may be more important from a CEH cuff standpoint than people think. If he is on the active roster tomorrow, I would be stashing him in deep leagues just in case. Neither Williams nor Thompson have showed anything worth keeping around, Washington had a good training camp, and his skill set aligns better with CEH should he get injured. 

Darrel Williams has looked cuttable, not just in fantasy but by the Chiefs. I've had concerns about how CEH would be replaced. Washington is inactive this week. However, if CEH were to be injured, I would expect Washington to replace him the following week while Williams and Thompson would mostly keep their same roles.

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Dolphins acquired RB DeAndre Washington from the Chiefs. 

The compensation will almost certainly will be a conditional day-three pick. The Chiefs had too many running backs after signing Le'Veon Bell, and the Dolphins have a crowded, if underwhelming, running back room. Washington is capable of providing replacement-level depth on all three downs. It would take 2-3 injuries ahead of him for Washington to become a 2020 fantasy consideration. 

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I think the take above is underestimating  Washington’s path to the starting gig. Don’t see 2-3 injuries to make him relevant, even if for the short term. Definitely a mediocre guy, but he’s set up for potential success with a decent situation.

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