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The bold is the one that triggered me. The first sentence is absolutely the right read (if I have gotten this right). The bold is absurd (to me) but I think a lot of people would agree with you. What I'm confused about is how his further explanation somehow changed the reading of your first sentence. That *is* the explanation.
I totally get the "in a vacuum" thing. But my point is that, the way this thing was phrased, you HAVE to look at at least part of this "in a vacuum."
Yeah when I said that I had a feeling it might trigger some people. I almost edited it out in fact but didn't.
It's not a trade discussion, it's a value discussion. Both are in a bad place. Therefore the premise of the trade is what I went off of. The idea of trading a guy who is very suppressed, for another guy likely to be suppressed seems lateral at best. It's not a good idea in my mind to begin trade discussions that way. His exact question was if it was too much to give for Zeke. I answered by saying I wouldn't be looking to buy Zeke, nor looking to give up Golladay and the 1st for someone I viewed as very questionable in his future.kutta said:
I took it as a public shot as well, and others chimed in with agreement. And of course I agree - we should be consistent in our valuation and in our treatment of others. Everyone here is cool on that. I don't want to make this about your comment or about Zyphros specific example, but this concept of wanting more than you would be willing to give if situations were reversed is an interesting one.Biabreakable said:
I'm only catching up, but as a Zeke GM, I totally got what Zyphros was saying. I dunno. Maybe there's a logical paradox somewhere looking for a name in the futures markets.
Will keep it general here because I am not a Cmac owner but if I was I would want a solid haul of young assets be it players and/or picks...dealing him is a great way to restock your team...Kelce is a complete stud but he's 31 and not who I would be targeting if I was dealing Cmac.
I wouldn’t want the startup 1.01 this offseason, but if I was stuck with it I’d still take CMC. I’d need another big asset in addition to Kelce. Kelce and something like Swift, Taylor or Sanders might do it. But I’m not sure if anyone is buying at those prices anymore.
I'd put Gibson & Robinson ahead of Taylor as of now. Akers needs t do more than just a couple good weeks so T4 for now
They have to keep getting Pollard regular touches, right? Even a 60/40 split is bad news for Zeke. I'll buy if his price drops to a late 1st, which essentially means I'm not buying.
There's a good argument for that. I'd say they've had better seasons than Taylor, front to back. But I'm confident I can turn Taylor into Robinson/Gibson+ in the off-season. I tend to view players as stocks. If I had to pick the best career of the 3, that would be a more difficult exercise.Helaire-ious said:
That's fair. I think LAR thinks they have their guy, and LAR is a better situation than KC and BAL today. If I owned Akers I wouldn't be in a hurry to swap him for Dobbins or CEH, especially before the injury. Hence his placement.Helaire-ious said:
yeah, I think Zeke as a 'buy low' might be the biggest fools gold of the offseason.
I refuse to think that he’s regressed at only 25 years old. I think he would be a great addition for a team poised to compete the next 2-3 years if he can be had at reduced prices.
As dynasty assets it's Sanders >= Dobbins > Zeke > Mixon. Sanders is the only buy for me.
Hmmm good question. These are guys I’ve seen some people in threads mention as guys they may be looking to sell and I’ll be sniffing around trying to buy them in my leagues. Wondering who people like the most going forward. And I suppose who people think costs most is useful as well.
The way I see it, Mixon can probably be had more cheaply than the others and, in my opinion, has as good a chance to be a solid starter (top 12 or so) as the rest. He’s a year younger than Zeke, and only 1 year older than Sanders. He’s tied to a young, up and coming QB and WR and just received a long term contract.
There was some venting in his thread about lack of receptions, splitting with Gus, and Lamar stealing carries as well.
Dobbins owner and one guy for Gibson wanted Dobbins, Ruggs and an early 1st. He made the same claims as above. Easy pass there.
Agreed...also, while very talented his upside is tough to nail down...between Lamar's legs (i.e. vulturing TDs), the probability of Harbaugh using other quality backs and his lack of targets he has some roadblocks to really blow up...would like to see more targets/receptions before I gave up the assets necessary to acquire him but on the flipside if he starts getting those targets/receptions next year the price goes up even more.
Yeah I chose these guys because there’s a ton to sort out in their value and I think lots of people will see it differently.
It's a really interesting value set of RB's. I think the values can vary drastically and all could be RB1's next year given the right things falling. Because of that I think you will have a hard time getting too big of a discount on all of them because most owners probably see the upside and that is the biggest hurdle to being able to buy them at a lower cost. I see owners wanting close to RB1 returns because there is a decent to good chance all of these guys return RB1-ish value next year.
Those issues are legit for JK and certainly not most but some owners may see it as a reason to sell. Same with Mixon’s injuries and lack of usage as a receiver, Zeke’s down year, Sanders’s down year. I’ll fish for all and see if anyone’s selling. Zeke I think is now the cheapest.
My guess is a Dobbins owner worried about those issues would deal him but I don't think they will sell low because they know he's just too young and talented (any those issues are not concrete yet as well) to make a panic move...Zeke is probably your best bet for a nervous Owner, especially after Pollard had a big week and looks legit...if you have enough young talent on your team so he is an addition and not a centerpiece in case the window is indeed starting to shut he could be a nice addition...I don't own Zeke but would love to hear what Zeke Owners would move him for.
Probably right about JK. I’m coming into a great stretch in my 16 team ppr league. Finished 5th without Saquon most of the year. Young ish wr corps of AJB Amari Diontae Boyd and Saquon CEH at Rb. If I can add Zeke with picks and get a couple years of Rb 10-12 ish production and then a couple years of 18-20 ish production I’m a strong contender for 4 years. Getting the feeling that Zeke may be the only one attainable.
Def changes the selling equation if you’re in win now mode. Good luck buying Pollard though!
I would happily* give up Dobbins and Ruggs for Gibson. If I had to add a future 2nd to do it, so be it. A 1st is far too much unless he's sending something else your way.
That’s the crux of it. If Jones leaves he’s probably worth a mid-late first. If Jones signs an extension he’s a late 2 early 3. Right now I’d say worth an early 2.
Gaskin owner as well here. Very much expecting the Phins to replace him with one of their premium picks.
I think Gaskin is going to be underrated because the consensus is Miami will add another quality RB (and I agree with that)...that being said I don't think he's going to be relegated to the bench because he is proving he can play...I think he will be part of a RBBC and if the new RB (which is probably a rookie) isn't legit he could sneak in another year of heavy usage although I would not count on that...overall I think he's a good guy to target because the fear of who Miami is bringing in will probably scare his current owners and you can probably get him without giving up a lot...I think he is a nice guy to add to the depth of your RB unit because as those RB injuries pile up you can never have enough good backs.
Listened to the latest Locked On Dynasty podcast and the thought is that Miami may not do much to address their RB position due to the success of Gaskin and Ahmed and the other needs miami has. They are thinking that analytics will dictate that it is not wise to invest in positions like RB & LB and focus on drafting and spending on Corner, WR, OL and DL.TartanLion said:
I really like both players but I value Lamar Jackson more.
