Cowboysfan8 7,742 Posted September 25, 2017 Share Posted September 25, 2017 29 minutes ago, GoBirds said: That would be pretty extreme, assume tonight is more of the same but Pat Tillman is something I didn't consider. I've read that tonight the players will lock arms on both teams. Idk, I'd just like as an NFL fan to sit down and enjoy a good competitive game with hoping Dallas coming out on top 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Sand 5,729 Posted September 25, 2017 Share Posted September 25, 2017 27 minutes ago, Hawkeye21 said: I had heard from people on the radio who played with Tillman that he was the type of person that would have been in full support for the players kneeling. Listening to talking heads on the radio is just about as bad as talking heads on TV. And worth as much. 2 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Phil Elliott 1,127 Posted September 25, 2017 Share Posted September 25, 2017 (edited) 15 minutes ago, Cowboysfan8 said: I've read that tonight the players will lock arms on both teams. Idk, I'd just like as an NFL fan to sit down and enjoy a good competitive game with hoping Dallas coming out on top For team unity? Supporting not protesting or supporting protesting or against Trump, maybe, just America's Team again? Edited September 25, 2017 by Phil Elliott Quote Link to post Share on other sites
GoBirds 10,194 Posted September 25, 2017 Share Posted September 25, 2017 3 minutes ago, Sand said: Listening to talking heads on the radio is just about as bad as talking heads on TV. And worth as much. I cringe when people like that try to speak for people that passed like they know what they would want. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
GoBirds 10,194 Posted September 25, 2017 Share Posted September 25, 2017 Good for the league, will not cease playing the National Anthem before games. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
shader 7,887 Posted September 25, 2017 Share Posted September 25, 2017 Many don’t know this, but the Supreme Court long ago ruled that its unconstitutional to be forced to salute the flag. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
NFL2DF 490 Posted September 25, 2017 Share Posted September 25, 2017 3 hours ago, Phil Elliott said: Anedoctally, It seems most of the people that disagree with the players protesting, agree they have the right to do so but don't think doing it during the national anthem or at the game is appropriate. Just seems to be the polls/opinions that I have seen/heard. Your mileage may differ. The protests are starting to lose value as there seem to be several causes and I don't know which player is protesting which cause or just against Trump's dumb comments. And the players standing but with interlocked arms are supporting the players right to protests or do they have the same causes too? Maybe we can have all the players that want to protest go to one end zone and kneel and the players that want to pray go to the other end zone and kneel. More generally, the right to free speech doesn't mean there aren't consequences. Many companies do background checks that include social media. Depending on what you post, may have an affect on your employment opportunity or it may impact your status of current employment. If you are posting you are a big oil supporter and don't support climate change, you may not get that job offer with the solar panel company. If you stand in your company's lobby nude to protest animal rights, you certainly have the right, but you may not be working for that company any longer. I don't mind them protesting at the games and don't mind how they do it. Does someone have the book on proper protesting protocol? /thread Kind of surprised not a single person liked this post, worth a read. 4 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
NFL2DF 490 Posted September 25, 2017 Share Posted September 25, 2017 3 hours ago, squistion said: Matt Novak @paleofuture 7m7 minutes ago The Fox News reporter keeps asking about Trump calling players "SOBs" because he can't even quote the president in polite company. This is pretty rich considering the left thinks that commercials with children saying "F Trump", comedians holding up bloody severed heads of Trump, and thousands of woman running around the streets wearing female genitalia on their heads is somehow appropriate. 2 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Johnnymac 1,110 Posted September 25, 2017 Share Posted September 25, 2017 I'm hoping the college players start doing it. That would be interesting. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
GoBirds 10,194 Posted September 25, 2017 Share Posted September 25, 2017 (edited) 4 minutes ago, NFL2DF said: This is pretty rich considering the left thinks that commercials with children saying "F Trump", comedians holding up bloody severed heads of Trump, and thousands of woman running around the streets wearing female genitalia on their heads is somehow appropriate. They act so hysterical and biased in the way they ignore the things you mentioned it's hard to take seriously. Looks like Steelers had Villanueva apologize, what a joke. He shouldn't have to apologize for making his teammates look bad, they did it to themselves. Lame. Edited September 25, 2017 by GoBirds Quote Link to post Share on other sites
whoknew 8,863 Posted September 25, 2017 Share Posted September 25, 2017 1 minute ago, GoBirds said: They act so hysterical and biased in the way they ignore the things you mentioned it's hard to take seriously. Looks like Steelers had Villanueva apologize, what a joke. Did the Steelers ask him to apologize? Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Gopher State 959 Posted September 25, 2017 Share Posted September 25, 2017 Just ordered a Alejandro Villanueva's jersey on NFL.com. It's the top selling jersey the past 24 hours after he stood with his hand over his chest during the playing of the anthem alone by the tunnel entrance. His respect being a veteran and the courage to stand alone for what he believes in is another side to this issue, he has the respect of NFL fans as displayed by his jersey sales. Not saying those who kneel are wrong, but both sides need to be respected. 3 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
GoBirds 10,194 Posted September 25, 2017 Share Posted September 25, 2017 (edited) 3 minutes ago, whoknew said: Did the Steelers ask him to apologize? Lame interview to save face for the rest of the team, he had cleared it with the organization but not the whole team and all the coaching staff. He takes full blame, his fault etc etc. Edited September 25, 2017 by GoBirds Quote Link to post Share on other sites
GoBirds 10,194 Posted September 25, 2017 Share Posted September 25, 2017 2 minutes ago, Gopher State said: Just ordered a Alejandro Villanueva's jersey on NFL.com. It's the top selling jersey the past 24 hours after he stood with his hand over his chest during the playing of the anthem alone by the tunnel entrance. His respect being a veteran and the courage to stand alone for what he believes in is another side to this issue, he has the respect of NFL fans as displayed by his jersey sales. Not saying those who kneel are wrong, but both sides need to be respected. Awesome, can you get shirts too want to get both? Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Cowboysfan8 7,742 Posted September 25, 2017 Share Posted September 25, 2017 24 minutes ago, Phil Elliott said: For team unity? Supporting not protesting or supporting protesting or against Trump, maybe, just America's Team again? Not sure, really don't care Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Ramblin Wreck 14,155 Posted September 25, 2017 Share Posted September 25, 2017 10 minutes ago, Johnnymac said: I'm hoping the college players start doing it. That would be interesting. Saw today one county released a statement regarding high school players doing it. I hope the local little league team does it next week. 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Cowboysfan8 7,742 Posted September 25, 2017 Share Posted September 25, 2017 20 minutes ago, NFL2DF said: /thread Kind of surprised not a single person liked this post, worth a read. I missed it. Good post. Thx for bumping it Quote Link to post Share on other sites
whoknew 8,863 Posted September 25, 2017 Share Posted September 25, 2017 7 minutes ago, GoBirds said: Lame interview to save face for the rest of the team, he had cleared it with the organization but not the whole team and all the coaching staff. He takes full blame, his fault etc etc. I saw the interview. Indeed, I posted on it. But I didn't take it as lame at all. And I didn't see anything about the Steelers making him do it. To me, it read like a pretty thoughtful, sincere guy who a) wants to stand for the anthem but b) wants to support his teammates and c) learn about the issues they raise. Your comments on what he said seem to demean a pretty thoughtful guy dealing with some difficult issues. 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Bruce Dickinson 17,896 Posted September 25, 2017 Share Posted September 25, 2017 13 minutes ago, GoBirds said: Lame interview to save face for the rest of the team, he had cleared it with the organization but not the whole team and all the coaching staff. He takes full blame, his fault etc etc. Did you see/read the full interview, or is this off of someone else's reporting of it? Quote Link to post Share on other sites
GoBirds 10,194 Posted September 25, 2017 Share Posted September 25, 2017 2 minutes ago, whoknew said: I saw the interview. Indeed, I posted on it. But I didn't take it as lame at all. And I didn't see anything about the Steelers making him do it. To me, it read like a pretty thoughtful, sincere guy who a) wants to stand for the anthem but b) wants to support his teammates and c) learn about the issues they raise. Your comments on what he said seem to demean a pretty thoughtful guy dealing with some difficult issues. He is clearly a thoughtful and sincere guy, as well as the biggest hero of this whole soap opera. If you don't think Tomlin had some input on that interview I don't know what to tell you. Regardless, this guy is a great story out of this mess. 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
GROOT 1,213 Posted September 25, 2017 Share Posted September 25, 2017 1 hour ago, Hawkeye21 said: Many TV show ratings are declining and it's been a trend for a while now. There are multiple factors. 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Hawkeye21 4,165 Posted September 25, 2017 Share Posted September 25, 2017 45 minutes ago, Sand said: Listening to talking heads on the radio is just about as bad as talking heads on TV. And worth as much. Cool Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Hawkeye21 4,165 Posted September 25, 2017 Share Posted September 25, 2017 5 minutes ago, GROOT said: So the protesting has caused network shows to decline as well? Makes sense. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Da Guru 6,419 Posted September 25, 2017 Share Posted September 25, 2017 48 minutes ago, GoBirds said: Good for the league, will not cease playing the National Anthem before games. I don`t care if anyone sits or stands. What is bad though is the players might be killing the golden goose that is the NFL. 3 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Sheriff Bart 13,590 Posted September 25, 2017 Share Posted September 25, 2017 1 hour ago, Sand said: Listening to talking heads on the radio is just about as bad as talking heads on TV. And worth as much. I would normally agree but if you reread his post these were teammates, not your hot take talking head. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Sheriff Bart 13,590 Posted September 25, 2017 Share Posted September 25, 2017 18 minutes ago, Da Guru said: I don`t care if anyone sits or stands. What is bad though is the players might be killing the golden goose that is the NFL. The owners have done that, not the players. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
SaintsInDome2006 47,477 Posted September 25, 2017 Share Posted September 25, 2017 1 hour ago, NFL2DF said: /thread Kind of surprised not a single person liked this post, worth a read. You agree that Trump's comments were "dumb"? Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Ramblin Wreck 14,155 Posted September 25, 2017 Share Posted September 25, 2017 3 hours ago, packersfan said: Former Patriot Matt Light said he was ashamed to see the Patriots protest on Sunday. Which has me wondering - have any former black players said they didn't like the protests? Just curious. Not a black player but black police officer https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kEcYDa7r4-I Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Da Guru 6,419 Posted September 25, 2017 Share Posted September 25, 2017 7 minutes ago, Sheriff Bart said: The owners have done that, not the players. For allowing it? Quote Link to post Share on other sites
GoBirds 10,194 Posted September 25, 2017 Share Posted September 25, 2017 9 minutes ago, Sheriff Bart said: The owners have done that, not the players. No, there's enough blame to go around for sure. They are all pooping the bed along with the league and their handling of concussions. They all have a piece in this. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Sheriff Bart 13,590 Posted September 25, 2017 Share Posted September 25, 2017 1 minute ago, Da Guru said: For allowing it? Ask people in San Diego, Oakland, St. Louis and any other city like Minnesota that was told if they didn't give them a billion for a new stadium, they were going to leave them too. NO respect for their customers. None. 2 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Da Guru 6,419 Posted September 25, 2017 Share Posted September 25, 2017 Just now, Sheriff Bart said: Ask people in San Diego, Oakland, St. Louis and any other city like Minnesota that was told if they didn't give them a billion for a new stadium, they were going to leave them too. NO respect for their customers. None. I agree 100% But now ratings are sliding as well. Veterans want a national boycott on Veterans day. Not good for the league. Again I do not care who sits or stands but sitting on Sunday does not change anything on a Monday morning in a Detroit school or hood. Getting out in the community can change things and people. That would require actual time and effort though. 2 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
GoBirds 10,194 Posted September 26, 2017 Share Posted September 26, 2017 https://www.google.com/amp/thehill.com/homenews/administration/352161-trump-retweets-message-calling-for-nfl-boycott%3famp Wasn't aware the boycott has been planned to Veteran's Day weekend.....this doesn't end well for the NFL. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
KCitons 4,164 Posted September 26, 2017 Share Posted September 26, 2017 6 hours ago, Sheriff Bart said: Get rid of the anthem and God Bless America at sporting events. Problem solved. Can we remove "In God We Trust" from currency as well? 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
GROOT 1,213 Posted September 26, 2017 Share Posted September 26, 2017 ISIS is loving it Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Sheriff Bart 13,590 Posted September 26, 2017 Share Posted September 26, 2017 6 minutes ago, KCitons said: Can we remove "In God We Trust" from currency as well? Sure Quote Link to post Share on other sites
KCitons 4,164 Posted September 26, 2017 Share Posted September 26, 2017 Just now, Sheriff Bart said: Sure I'm going to take a knee every time I pay for something until it happens. 3 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Joe Bryant 10,388 Posted September 26, 2017 Share Posted September 26, 2017 Gotta hand it to Dallas. That seemed perfect. Team unity kneel. Separate from Anthem. 9 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
HellToupee 15,633 Posted September 26, 2017 Share Posted September 26, 2017 That was well done 5 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Cowboysfan8 7,742 Posted September 26, 2017 Share Posted September 26, 2017 ?? 3 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
HellToupee 15,633 Posted September 26, 2017 Share Posted September 26, 2017 Just now, Bucky86 said: Were they booing the kneel down before the anthem? Sounded like it Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Ramblin Wreck 14,155 Posted September 26, 2017 Share Posted September 26, 2017 Just now, HellToupee said: Sounded like it Probably thought it was going to be for the anthem. Crowd had no idea what was going to happen 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Limp Ditka 8,962 Posted September 26, 2017 Share Posted September 26, 2017 Just now, Ramblin Wreck said: Probably thought it was going to be for the anthem. Crowd had no idea what was going to happen Any booing would have been symbolic of that. Timing really didn't matter. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Getzlaf15 10,902 Posted September 26, 2017 Share Posted September 26, 2017 3 minutes ago, Joe Bryant said: Gotta hand it to Dallas. That seemed perfect. Team unity kneel. Separate from Anthem. That was perfect. They should have released a statement at the same time saying this was not about the military, but the issues that concern them Quote Link to post Share on other sites
HellToupee 15,633 Posted September 26, 2017 Share Posted September 26, 2017 what is the deal with espn2 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
lakerstan 1,875 Posted September 26, 2017 Share Posted September 26, 2017 4 minutes ago, Joe Bryant said: Gotta hand it to Dallas. That seemed perfect. Yes, it fit nicely into that nice safe box that all of us white people would want during our sporting events. We don't want to be bothered with concerns about things like racial inequality and police brutality when we have a football game to watch. 8 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Cowboysfan8 7,742 Posted September 26, 2017 Share Posted September 26, 2017 2 minutes ago, Getzlaf15 said: That was perfect. They should have released a statement at the same time saying this was not about the military, but the issues that concern them I think that was implied by the timing Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Joe Bryant 10,388 Posted September 26, 2017 Share Posted September 26, 2017 1 minute ago, lakerstan said: Yes, it fit nicely into that nice safe box that all of us white people would want during our sporting events. We don't want to be bothered with concerns about things like racial inequality and police brutality when we have a football game to watch. Not sure how you get that. The entire team unified for a kneel to show support for Racial Equality and against Police Brutality was strong. Felt like the opposite of not wanting to be bothered. 2 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Cowboysfan8 7,742 Posted September 26, 2017 Share Posted September 26, 2017 2 minutes ago, lakerstan said: Yes, it fit nicely into that nice safe box that all of us white people would want during our sporting events. We don't want to be bothered with concerns about things like racial inequality and police brutality when we have a football game to watch. You know what? You're right. I worked all day, my team is on MNF, I don't want to think about anything right now. I just want to relax and watch football. ####### sue me Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Gr00vus 11,920 Posted September 26, 2017 Share Posted September 26, 2017 Just now, Cowboysfan8 said: You know what? You're right. I worked all day, my team is on MNF, I don't want to think about anything right now. I just want to relax and watch football. ####### sue me So why do you care when these guys kneel then? That's really going to screw up the football game for you? 3 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
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