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Amused to Death
Footballguy
He's also a great cheap dynasty stash if he's still available. He's the only RB on the Eagles' roster you can say will definitely be back next year and if he takes another step forward may be in line for the #1 job.
Boston
Footballguy
I see him more with a Duke Johnson type of potential...not a big stud or anything flashy but when the end of the year comes he ends up around #20 in the overall RB rankings...
BearsFan4Life
Footballguy
Dynasty wise ... anyone seen Clement moved? I was offered a 2nd Round 2019 Rookie Pick for him, but have no clue on his value. Pick will wind up being 2.01-2.07 (14 team league)
Interseptopus
Footballguy
I traded for him giving up pick 2.13 and 3.8. ended up being Callaway and Boston Scott. I was quite pleased to get him for that.
The thing about Clement is his value could be for a 1st or more in 6 months depending what philly does with Ajayi. He could be the guy. I see him as being no worse than a pass catching back, maybe even goal line. which has great value in itself. I would put his value as a high 2nd rounder, especially in a 14 team league
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I tried to move Clement last week to jump from pick 3.07 to pick 2.12 so as to grab Josh Rosen. No luck. The owner didn’t think Clement would get enough touches this year and wasn’t interested in a project. I thought it was a good deal for him.
Interseptopus
Footballguy
Clement and 3.7 for 2.12? wow. that's a crazy good deal for him.
I'm even more surprised Rosen dropped to 2.12.
Maybe I got ripped off or am in the minority with my thoughts on Clement
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Long Ball Larry
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The Eagles definitely like him, but it is hard to see him having that much value this year unless Sproles or Ajayi gets hurt.
Dynasty-wise, it is probably a worthwhile gamble, because I have a hard time seeing them spending to bring Ajayi back and this is the last year for Sproles.
Pump gone, Smallwood hanging on by a thread. Adams is lurking on the PS, but I think there is a world in which Clement is more or less the lead back next year.
Dynasty-wise, it is probably a worthwhile gamble, because I have a hard time seeing them spending to bring Ajayi back and this is the last year for Sproles.
Pump gone, Smallwood hanging on by a thread. Adams is lurking on the PS, but I think there is a world in which Clement is more or less the lead back next year.
Chaka
Footballguy
He went a pick 13.4 as the RB51 off the board in my 12 team, super-flex, ppr redraft yesterday. I was targeting him at 12.12, was planning to take him without question but at around pick 12.6 the news about Jerrick McKinnon broke so I pivoted to Morris as my RB6 (Breida went at 14.06 as RB58). Might be a mistake but an Ajayi even with a "lower leg" issue is still healthier than McKinnon on IR. And I tend to give preference to a Shanahan RB.
ratbast
Footballguy
See this is the part that should make you jump for Clement. He’s Tevin Coleman with 2 frail RBs as his competition.
Interseptopus
Footballguy
unless?
Sproles is about ready to file for an AARP membership, and Ajayi will have knee issues all year/rest of his career due to what I perceive to be failing microfracture surgery (which is exactly why I harp on this surgery... it just doesnt last at all). Ajayi's knee is only going to get worse.
Interseptopus
Footballguy
If you watch Ajayi run these days you will draft Clement. Ajayi starts the game looking like "Beast Mode the Sequel" but by the second quarter you can sense something is amiss. The Eagles love Clement (he is a local kid). He is Ajayi's backup, not Sproles'.
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jtp1982
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I think Ajayi’s knee naturally leads to an RBBC situation by midseason, at which point Ajayi’s bad attitude will take over and naturally lead to him not being a Philadelphia Eagle after this year.
Clement’s just a waiting game at this point and hopefully he’s taken over the lead role by fantasy playoff time.
Clement’s just a waiting game at this point and hopefully he’s taken over the lead role by fantasy playoff time.
SameSongNDance
Footballguy
Even if I do believe Ajayi's injury (injuries?) will cost him time this year, I'm still hesitant to move Clement too far up my draft board because I believe Pederson will always trot out some type of RBBC. If Ajayi goes down, wouldn't Smallwood get some burn? I think Smallwood is a literal stiff, like it looks like hips have been fused to his legs but I can still see him playing on 30% of the snaps and touching the ball 10 times. And if it's not Smallwood it would be Adams right? It's just hard for me to imagine a scenario in which there isn't a RBBC.
ratbast
Footballguy
Really? First of all we don’t know if Clement is frail. 2nd of all it’s actually irrelevant if Coleman is, Ajayi and Sproles are so Clement’s opportunities are bound to increase.
Interseptopus
Footballguy
All I was doing was pointing out that Coleman is injury prone. His running style leads him to concussions and he strains his hamstring as often as Diggs strains his abductors
ratbast
Footballguy
Ok so it’s even better than I was suggesting? Because Coleman is frail but Clement isn’t yet?
i like guys behind frail starters.
Interseptopus
Footballguy
At this point we are splitting hairs and having a ridiculous discussion. you said Clement was like Coleman, a guy behind a frail starter. all I was saying is that it's not an entirely accurate comparison because Coleman is frail himself, possibly more than Freeman. That's all. I agree, Clement is attractive because he is behind a guy who is injured a lot. that's a great player to have.ratbast said:
ratbast
Footballguy
It’s not really ridiculous but we are running around in circles.
I see where you could mistake my first comment. I was trying to call him Colemanesque but behind a frail Ajayi. I was not trying to call Freeman frail in my comment. My apologies for not being clearer.
So Clement’s action skyrockets with an injury to Ajayi or even Sproles. So it’s a good bet.
Biabreakable
Footballguy
FWIW I thought Smallwood looked improved from last year preseason.SameSongNDance said:
I think you may be right about Pederson's commitment to RBBC. He did win a Super Bowl using such strategy. It would take a very very good RB to make him change his tune I guess.
in2win
Footballguy
Definitely intriguing as a Ajayi owner and could see Clement being one of the better handcuffs.
I'm not ready to write off sproles just yet as he will getting some touches and cant believe we are still talking about a 5'6 player in the NFL that is 35 years old....good for him.
Ajayi is my RB 4/5 so not really worried about my depth but might me more opt to move him this season for a WR with the mouths to feed in Philly.
I'm not ready to write off sproles just yet as he will getting some touches and cant believe we are still talking about a 5'6 player in the NFL that is 35 years old....good for him.
Ajayi is my RB 4/5 so not really worried about my depth but might me more opt to move him this season for a WR with the mouths to feed in Philly.
sportsphysio
Footballguy
I noticed that as well, took me by surprise. If it is indeed true, it’s going to be an interesting season in this backfield, Clement might be on a lot of championship teams if Ajayi stays banged up.
Wise Old Owl
Footballguy
Tons of people in here calling a rb that has missed 1 game in 2 years fragile and frail. He played 14 games last year because he had two bye weeks.
Interseptopus
Footballguy
Your name is not reflective of your posting
I'm not sure I recall ajayi ever having a full week of practice without some kind of owwie
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Buck Bradcanon
Footballguy
In for a share in my main league. He was a key target of mine on draft day and was happy to get him.
msudaisy26
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Amused to Death
Footballguy
We all know about Ajayi's knees and now an apparent foot problem. I re-watched the Super Bowl last night and it was mentioned during that broadcast that Ajayi had been dealing with a foot injury leading up to the SB. Now he has a foot problem to start this season. IDK if its the same foot/issue but to have that plus the knees doesn't seem good. Clement's obviously a priority handcuff as well as a flex option even with a (semi) healthy Ajayi.
Wise Old Owl
Footballguy
Does this matter if he's not missing games? Marshawn didn't practice on Wednesdays for almost his entire time with Seattle. Did we consider him brittle?
Everyone is talking as though they expect Ajayi to miss games because he has a history of missing games. All I am pointing out is that he really doesn't have a history of missing games regardless of how many practices he misses.
Interseptopus
Footballguy
Interseptopus
Footballguy
Would you rather have a guy who plays all 16 games healthy or a guy who plays banged up and needs to get rested?
Buck Bradcanon
Footballguy
Very curious for the game 1 reveal this Thursday to see the snap breakdown. GL, 3rd down, is Sproles still Sproles, how limited is Ajayi if at all, etc.
Amused to Death
Footballguy
From Bleeding Green Nation. Article links to The Athletic, which requires a subscription.
Players survey: Grugier-Hill, Clement, Goedert among Eagles picks to have big years - The Athletic
Brandon Graham: “If I had to pick one, [Corey] Cle-MENT, CLE-ment. I don’t want to say his name wrong [cackles]. He’s just shown me that he’s ready for year two, like he seems more confident than he was last year, even though he was confident then. But now he knows what to expect. I feel like there’s gonna be a lot of downhill running, a lot of big-yardage plays for him.”
Rodney McLeod: “I’ll probably say Corey Clement. He’s been doing it all. Obviously he’s been hurt, but before that, running hard. It seems like he’s gained a step. Good hands out of the backfield. He’s been back there on special teams. He’s just a fighter, man, and a competitor and a warrior. Line him up anywhere. I’ve seen him out there dog tired with the ones, twos and threes. And he’s still running. So I’ve been impressed. Obviously he had a good rookie year, but I think he’ll have an even better year this season.”
Players survey: Grugier-Hill, Clement, Goedert among Eagles picks to have big years - The Athletic
Brandon Graham: “If I had to pick one, [Corey] Cle-MENT, CLE-ment. I don’t want to say his name wrong [cackles]. He’s just shown me that he’s ready for year two, like he seems more confident than he was last year, even though he was confident then. But now he knows what to expect. I feel like there’s gonna be a lot of downhill running, a lot of big-yardage plays for him.”
Rodney McLeod: “I’ll probably say Corey Clement. He’s been doing it all. Obviously he’s been hurt, but before that, running hard. It seems like he’s gained a step. Good hands out of the backfield. He’s been back there on special teams. He’s just a fighter, man, and a competitor and a warrior. Line him up anywhere. I’ve seen him out there dog tired with the ones, twos and threes. And he’s still running. So I’ve been impressed. Obviously he had a good rookie year, but I think he’ll have an even better year this season.”
Buck Bradcanon
Footballguy
Nice post thanks for the link.
sportsphysio
Footballguy
From my perspective, it's not about how much time he has missed in the past, it's more about his future outlook. A bone on bone condition isn't like a soft tissue injury that is going to get better with rest, especially with the impact stress an RB in the NFL puts on the knee. When the "end" comes (need for surgery) it typically happens pretty quickly. Since he has been dealing with this for several years, and microfracture surgery has been mentioned in the past, he is probably already on borrowed time. Not saying the "end" is going to happen this year, but I think he is going to have some rough spells during the season.
Another thing to consider, is his foot condition a result of compensating for his knee? Those compensations can result in a plethora of other issues that he may have to deal with.
Biabreakable
Footballguy
The rumors of Jays knee being bone on bone have never been substantiated, It did seem to affect his draft position however although attitude may have been another factor contributing to that as well.
You are right though that if Jay has continued to have problems with the knee that this would cause him to overcompensate for that while he is running at times which could lead to other cascade injuries, such as foot and ankles.
I am not saying the bone on bone thing is a myth as there are other things that cause that possibility to make sense. I am skeptical of these rumors about his knee condition being true at the same time though as I have detailed in the past in the Ajayi thread. Jay Ajayi has endured massive workloads in the college and pro level since the injury which was not football related occurred.
Interseptopus
Footballguy
Wise Old Owl
Footballguy
Yeah there is tons speculation here. Apart from the bone to bone issue, which was never really proven but is taken as fact, there isn't even proof that the injury that has been bothering him is his knee. It was an "unspecified lower body injury" that everyone assumes is the knee because of other unproven rumors.
Then when a foot injury is revealed, everyone believes he now has two injuries because everyone already assumed he was resting his knee.
I'm not disagreeing that Ajayi has had injury concerns, or that Clement is a great backup. I'm just trying to call attention to how narratives get formed and everyone buys into speculation and group think.
NajehHejan
Footballguy
Not meaning to quote Dan - on my phone.
Dave Spodaro (long time Eagles “insider” - works for the Eagles) was on XM Fantasy radio this morning and he guessed that Clement will get the bulk of the carries this Thursday night. Scares me as an Ajayi owner. He kept referring to Ajayi as banged up. Not sure how much we can trust this guy’s opinion.
Dave Spodaro (long time Eagles “insider” - works for the Eagles) was on XM Fantasy radio this morning and he guessed that Clement will get the bulk of the carries this Thursday night. Scares me as an Ajayi owner. He kept referring to Ajayi as banged up. Not sure how much we can trust this guy’s opinion.
I’m no doctor but according to google he hasn’t had microfracture surgery and 6 years of playing post surgery and over 1400 touches lead me to believe that whatever he had has lasted pretty long. Do I have that wrong?
Amused to Death
Footballguy
Dave Spadaro is basically an Eagles PR guy. I regard him mostly as a cheerleader who will always put a positive spin on things. If he refers to Ajayi as banged up, Ajayi's banged up.
Dave Spadaro
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Ghost Rider
Footballguy
Surprised this guy has been so cheap. Every time I saw him play last year, he was making plays, and with Ajayi's health in question, this guy is a good buy, and a cheap one! I have him on like half of my teams, lol.
DJackson10
Footballguy
He's a nice guy (my dad did work on a house for a dad who's son was best friends for his) and I've met him several times at local bars. however he's just an Eagles PR guy. You won't get any headline grabbers from him.
DJackson10
Footballguy
jtp1982
Footballguy
The bad attitude is more than background noise IMO. It’s why the opportunity is bigger for Clement than a typical backup. With Ajayi you’ve got at least the baseline risk of injury any workhorse RB has (maybe more but not confirmed), AND you’ve got the fact he’s apparently a complete pain to have on your football team.
It’s widely reported Miami saw his success on the field as outweighed by his complaining and negativity and didn’t want him back. Once he was gone, the staff openly told reporters that EVEN AFTER WINS he’d whine when he didn’t get the ball enough.
Ever play on a team with a guy like that? If you have you understand why he’s not in Miami. And you understand why as soon as he left they talked crap about him to the media. It’s because when you have a guy like that on your team everybody hates him.
Bad knee or not there’s no way something doesn’t frustrate Ajayi over a 17 week season and if he reacts like he did in Miami its not hard to imagine him alienating himself from a lockerroom and coaching staff that just took their good team chemistry all the way to a Super Bowl.
It’s widely reported Miami saw his success on the field as outweighed by his complaining and negativity and didn’t want him back. Once he was gone, the staff openly told reporters that EVEN AFTER WINS he’d whine when he didn’t get the ball enough.
Ever play on a team with a guy like that? If you have you understand why he’s not in Miami. And you understand why as soon as he left they talked crap about him to the media. It’s because when you have a guy like that on your team everybody hates him.
Bad knee or not there’s no way something doesn’t frustrate Ajayi over a 17 week season and if he reacts like he did in Miami its not hard to imagine him alienating himself from a lockerroom and coaching staff that just took their good team chemistry all the way to a Super Bowl.
I was on the sideline for an Eagles preseason game last year and my eyes said "knee."
same here. He's an ideal rb3. 