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***Official Joe Biden Campaign Thread (6 Viewers)

The General said:
Oh. Well, he’s a 1000x smarter too.

Did Rogan actually endorse Trump or just say he won’t vote for Biden.
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I dunno Rogan is a pretty smart guy to even keep up with some of the guests he has. Stern is sharp too of course.

He didn't endorse Trump (or Bernie for that matter) he just said he would rather vote for Trump... I don't think he's thrilled with either guy.

If Ventura enters the race id imagine that's where he goes

 
KiddLattimer said:
I dunno Rogan is a pretty smart guy to even keep up with some of the guests he has. Stern is sharp too of course.

He didn't endorse Trump (or Bernie for that matter) he just said he would rather vote for Trump... I don't think he's thrilled with either guy.

If Ventura enters the race id imagine that's where he goes
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I do like Rogan's podcast when he has a guest I want to hear and he is going to go down as a legend in that area but does he really keep up with these guests :lol:  If they are talking about ayahuasca or working out maybe. He is a good interviewer in that he knows his lane - get super high and let them talk and says "whoa, whoa, whoa slow down and explain that" and "Jaime pull that up". 

I listen to his show a bit and he's not a Trump fan. He's not voting for either I think.

 
Fox poll on 4/23:

Florida voters narrowly prefer presumed Democratic nominee Joe Biden over Donald Trump in the presidential race, as a majority says the White House was too slow in responding to the coronavirus outbreak.

In a head-to-head matchup, Biden bests Trump by 46-43 percent, according to a Fox News Poll of Florida registered voters.

Biden’s advantage is mainly due to a 12-point lead among women.  He is also the favorite among Hispanics (+18 points) and independents (+11).  Biden is over-performing Hillary Clinton’s 2016 support among women and independents, and underperforming among Hispanics.  Clinton won women by 4 points and Hispanics by 27 points, but lost independents by 4 points.
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In addition, 65 percent overall, and 49 percent of Republicans, think it is better to wait to reopen the economy, even if it prolongs the economic crisis.
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- Apparently Biden is doing very well with older voters also.

- Trump won Fla by 1 point in 2016.

 
 





 Analysis: Did NY Democrats just tank Biden's nomination?  





By Ed Condon





Washington, D.C. Newsroom, Apr 27, 2020 / 02:35 pm MT (CNA).- On Monday, officials in New York announced the cancellation of the state’s Democratic presidential primary, calling the event “essentially a beauty contest,” and a risk to public health in the face of the coronavirus pandemic.





While New York Democrats cited the inevitability of Joe Biden’s nomination for the party's candidacy as justification for calling off the primary, it could actually make the former VP's spot on the ticket anything but a forgone conclusion.





Biden is the prohibitive favorite for the nomination to face Donald Trump in November. But New York could be the first step in an unlikely path to a contested Democratic convention between two Catholic politicians with national profiles.





Although Bernie Sanders is officially out of the race, Biden does not yet have an overall majority of convention delegates. As of April 27, the former vice president has 1,305 of the 1,991 delegates needed to clinch a first-round coronation at the party’s convention. New York offered 320 delegates up for grabs, 274 pledged to the primary winner; a prize that would have brought Biden closer to the nomination.





If New York’s decision triggers other states to cancel their own primaries, it is entirely possible that Biden could arrive at the Democratic convention without a guarantee of the nomination.  






 

 
Good news for Biden if Amash does really follow through with running as a Libertarian.    It will be nice to have a legitimate 3rd party candidate siphoning off GOP votes for a change.

 
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This thing is 100% Biden’s to lose. Do not #### this up old man.

Get yo ### in the Camaro and start gettin to the streets in about August.

Keep your chit chatting to a minimum. Get about 4 good lines memorized. Don’t do too much.

Talk about Obama.

Mix in “Don the Con” on occasion.

Have Michelle do some events for you.

Send Mayor Pete, Amy, out to do some bruising.

Collect some checks from ol’ Bloomberg.

Pound lil Don in a debate or 2. Give em the ol razzle dazzle. Oh and just read his COVID quotes for every answer - even if the question is “if you were a tree what tree would you be?” 

Send Hillary to California and New York to get all the well monied people lathered up.

If they give you some #### for mumbling some lines pull out your shades and say sometimes I just got too much to say.

Send Bernie to Michigan, Wisconsin, Minnesota.

Get Beto skateboarding around Texas.

Castro can follow telling everyone how Beto is a punkass ##### but also vote for Joe.

You hang your ### down in Florida and chill with some old folks. Play some shuffle board. Play some canasta.

Hang with the fam in Delaware. You don’t have to do much here.

A little of Joe goes a long way.

Bring our Barack for the death blow at a big rally In say Philly or Virginia.

It’s that easy!

 
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The General said:
This thing is 100% Biden’s to lose. Do not #### this up old man.

Get yo ### in the Camaro and start gettin to the streets in about August.

Keep your chit chatting to a minimum. Get about 4 good lines memorized. Don’t do too much.

Talk about Obama.

Mix in “Don the Con” on occasion.

Have Michelle do some events for you.

Send Mayor Pete, Amy, out to do some bruising.

Collect some checks from ol’ Bloomberg.

Pound lil Don in a debate or 2. Give em the ol razzle dazzle. Oh and just read his COVID quotes for every answer - even if the question is “if you were a tree what tree would you be?” 

Send Hillary to California and New York to get all the well monied people lathered up.

If they give you some #### for mumbling some lines pull out your shades and say sometimes I just got too much to say.

Send Bernie to Michigan, Wisconsin, Minnesota.

Get Beto skateboarding around Texas.

Castro can follow telling everyone how Beto is a punkass ##### but also vote for Joe.

You hang your ### down in Florida and chill with some old folks. Play some shuffle board. Play some canasta.

Hang with the fam in Delaware. You don’t have to do much here.

A little of Joe goes a long way.

Bring our Barack for the death blow at a big rally In say Philly or Virginia.

It’s that easy!
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You left out stop taping women.  

 
Presumptive Democratic presidential candidate Joe Biden held a public online discussion with 2016 presidential candidate Hillary Clinton yesterday, where she officially endorsed him for president. The 55-minute long event was branded a “women’s town hall,” as the two veteran Washington insiders discussed how the COVID-19 pandemic has hit women in particular. 

“I want to add my voice to the many who have endorsed you to be our president,” Clinton announced from her home. “Just think what a difference it would make right now if we had a president who not only listened to the science — put facts over fiction — but brought us together, showed the kind of compassion and caring that we need from our president and which Joe Biden has been exemplifying throughout his entire career.” 

Throughout the conversation, where Biden positioned himself as a champion of women and an ally to the #MeToo movement, neither Clinton or Biden addressed the multiple women who have accused the former vice-president of inappropriate touching, nor the newest allegations by his former staffer, Tara Reade, who claims he sexually assaulted her in the Capitol Building in 1993. 

Biden has been adamant that he will select a woman as his running mate and that he will choose someone from the right of the party (even floating the idea of choosing a Republican VP). Yesterday’s event fueled speculation that Clinton is in the running to return to the White House. The former senator from New York famously blew an enormous lead over Donald Trump – enjoying a 15-point advantage over the businessman and TV show host as late as the last week of campaigning. In October, a Morning Consult poll found that continued apathy and ill will towards her meant that a Clinton endorsement would be a net negative for any of the candidates in the running. Thus, some described the latest announcement as a “kiss of death” for the Biden campaign. 

Biden doing a virtual townhall with Hillary Clinton concerning the impact of covid19 on women just a day after new corroboration of the Reade allegations is the most darkly portentous omen of the race so far

— Elizabeth Bruenig (@ebruenig) April 28, 2020

The women’s town hall did not go particularly smoothly, with the participants not realizing they were live for almost 25 seconds. Biden also appeared to momentarily fall asleep as Clinton was talking. The former Delaware senator stormed into the lead on Super Tuesday, winning the majority of the states on offer, but has still found it difficult to engage and extend his message online. His YouTube channel that broadcast the event has only 47,000 subscribers (in comparison, Donald Trump has 381,000 and Bernie Sanders has nearly 400,000). As of Wednesday, the town hall has 60,000 views and more than double the dislikes as likes. 
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Things are going great 

 
NutterButter said:
Good news for Biden if Amash does really follow through with running as a Libertarian.    It will be nice to have a legitimate 3rd party candidate siphoning off GOP votes for a change.
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I’m not so sure that’s good for Biden. Went through that with Johnson. Amash is miles better than Johnson but defectors are gonna defect regardless, better for Biden if it’s between him and a no name.

I’m not really sure Amash just automatically wins the nomination anyway. Same goes for Ventura and the Greens. At some point parties get sick of interlopers just waltzing in and expecting the nom on name recognition when real committed party members just spent months of effort.

 
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SaintsInDome2006 said:
I’m not so sure that’s good for Biden. Went through that with Johnson. Amash is miles better than Johnson but defectors are gonna defect regardless, better for Biden if it’s between him and a no name.

I’m not really sure Amash just automatically wins the nomination anyway. Same goes for Ventura and the Greens. At some point parties get sick of interlopers just waltzing in and expecting the nom on name recognition when real committed party members just spent months of effort.
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Ive heard some frustration about Jesse from Green groups but theres no way Howie gets to the 5% funding threshold... Ventura would probably smash that

 
This is intended to be a hypothetical post as an interesting thought exercise.  To be clear, I don't expect any of this to happen.  I do want to set a few ground rules for the hypothetical discussion...

* For sake of hypothetical argument, let's assume Joe Biden steps down in the near future (i.e. well before the convention).  Let's not argue "that will never happen!" or "he shouldn't step down!" or "but Trump!"
* Let's assume it's way too late (and dangerous due to COVID-19) to hold primary elections again in all the states that already did, even assuming it were legal to do so
* For sake of argument, I'd like to approach this from the point of view of a Democrat that views the overarching goal as "ensure that the D nominee wins the general election".  That is, arguments like "Bernie's approach is socialism" aren't really relevant.  Arguments like "Democrats suck, Trump is much better" aren't relevant, since they aren't from the D point of view.  Arguments like "Bernie can't win the general election because he's too far to the left" would be valid, although it would be nice to see some links or facts to back up something like that.
* Let's approach it from the angle of "using the above assumptions, what can/should the DNC do", both legally and strategically?

I suspect the approach would not be to simply award the nomination to Sanders because he has the second-most delegates to date.

I also suspect that awarding the nomination to anyone other than Sanders would cause many of his supporters to have a conniption due to perceived (and possibly very real) DNC bias against Sanders.  Would that cause many of those supporters who might have reluctantly showed up and voted Biden to instead stay home?  Would awarding the nomination to Warren (as opposed to, say, Klobuchar or Buttigieg) mitigate that possibility?

So, if you had final say, and the sole goal is "winning the Nov general", who would you nominate?  Sanders?  Warren?  Klobuchar?  Buttigieg?  Other?

 
Rich Conway said:
This is intended to be a hypothetical post as an interesting thought exercise.  To be clear, I don't expect any of this to happen.  I do want to set a few ground rules for the hypothetical discussion...

* For sake of hypothetical argument, let's assume Joe Biden steps down in the near future (i.e. well before the convention).  Let's not argue "that will never happen!" or "he shouldn't step down!" or "but Trump!"
* Let's assume it's way too late (and dangerous due to COVID-19) to hold primary elections again in all the states that already did, even assuming it were legal to do so
* For sake of argument, I'd like to approach this from the point of view of a Democrat that views the overarching goal as "ensure that the D nominee wins the general election".  That is, arguments like "Bernie's approach is socialism" aren't really relevant.  Arguments like "Democrats suck, Trump is much better" aren't relevant, since they aren't from the D point of view.  Arguments like "Bernie can't win the general election because he's too far to the left" would be valid, although it would be nice to see some links or facts to back up something like that.
* Let's approach it from the angle of "using the above assumptions, what can/should the DNC do", both legally and strategically?

I suspect the approach would not be to simply award the nomination to Sanders because he has the second-most delegates to date.

I also suspect that awarding the nomination to anyone other than Sanders would cause many of his supporters to have a conniption due to perceived (and possibly very real) DNC bias against Sanders.  Would that cause many of those supporters who might have reluctantly showed up and voted Biden to instead stay home?  Would awarding the nomination to Warren (as opposed to, say, Klobuchar or Buttigieg) mitigate that possibility?

So, if you had final say, and the sole goal is "winning the Nov general", who would you nominate?  Sanders?  Warren?  Klobuchar?  Buttigieg?  Other?
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Interesting that you should post this question (that may be thread worthy in itself - and could be a pole) in the official Joe Biden campaign thread

 
Rich Conway said:
This is intended to be a hypothetical post as an interesting thought exercise.  To be clear, I don't expect any of this to happen.  I do want to set a few ground rules for the hypothetical discussion...

* For sake of hypothetical argument, let's assume Joe Biden steps down in the near future (i.e. well before the convention).  Let's not argue "that will never happen!" or "he shouldn't step down!" or "but Trump!"
* Let's assume it's way too late (and dangerous due to COVID-19) to hold primary elections again in all the states that already did, even assuming it were legal to do so
* For sake of argument, I'd like to approach this from the point of view of a Democrat that views the overarching goal as "ensure that the D nominee wins the general election".  That is, arguments like "Bernie's approach is socialism" aren't really relevant.  Arguments like "Democrats suck, Trump is much better" aren't relevant, since they aren't from the D point of view.  Arguments like "Bernie can't win the general election because he's too far to the left" would be valid, although it would be nice to see some links or facts to back up something like that.
* Let's approach it from the angle of "using the above assumptions, what can/should the DNC do", both legally and strategically?

I suspect the approach would not be to simply award the nomination to Sanders because he has the second-most delegates to date.

I also suspect that awarding the nomination to anyone other than Sanders would cause many of his supporters to have a conniption due to perceived (and possibly very real) DNC bias against Sanders.  Would that cause many of those supporters who might have reluctantly showed up and voted Biden to instead stay home?  Would awarding the nomination to Warren (as opposed to, say, Klobuchar or Buttigieg) mitigate that possibility?

So, if you had final say, and the sole goal is "winning the Nov general", who would you nominate?  Sanders?  Warren?  Klobuchar?  Buttigieg?  Other?
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I agree with msommer, this would be an interesting thread on its own

 
Former Aides to Bernie Sanders Form a Super PAC to Support Joe Biden

Mr. Sanders’s 2016 campaign manager and another architect of the 2016 bid are joining together in an effort to rally progressive support for the former vice president ahead of the November election.

Former top advisers to Senator Bernie Sanders are teaming up on a surprising new venture to try to rally progressive support for former Vice President Joseph R. Biden Jr.’s 2020 campaign: a super PAC.

Jeff Weaver, who served as Mr. Sanders’s campaign manager in 2016 and as a top adviser in 2020, is leading the effort, which will focus on mobilizing the base of Sanders supporters — young people, liberals Latinos and “blue-collar progressives” —  for Mr. Biden.

Other top Sanders officials from the 2020 race who will be involved include Chuck Rocha, a senior adviser who focused on Latino outreach, Tim Tagaris, who oversaw digital strategy and fund-raising, and Shelli Jackson, a California strategist for the campaign. Mark Longabaugh, who worked for Mr. Sanders in 2016 but left the 2020 campaign early on, is also part of the new group.

...Mr. Weaver said that, given the short time frame until the general election, this was the most efficient way for the Sanders movement to “lock in some of the gains progressives have made” by electing Mr. Biden and ousting President Trump.

...The new group, whose paperwork was filed with the Federal Election Commission last week, will be called Future To Believe In PAC, a play on Mr. Sanders’s 2016 slogan.

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The new effort will not have access to Mr. Sanders’s vaunted email list, Mr. Weaver said.

Mr. Longabaugh was a top architect of the 2016 Sanders campaign but parted ways one week into the 2020 effort, issuing a public statement with two fellow consultants, Tad Devine and Julian Mulvey ,that they were leaving “because we believe that Senator Sanders deserves to have media consultants who share his creative vision for the campaign.” The media firm eventually worked for Andrew Yang’s campaign.

...The new effort is actually the second super PAC formed by a former top adviser to the Sanders campaign. Mr. Rocha recently also created Nuestro PAC, a super PAC dedicated to turning out Latino voters in the fall, using the same model and methods that the Sanders campaign used to win over such voters in the primaries.
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Getzlaf15 said:
Oldie, but goodie.
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What struck me most was the 1980's liberal media dismissing Joe as a viable candidate primarily for plagiarism. Fast forward to today and it's like pulling teeth to get the liberal media to address his history of sexual harassment and possible assault. And the 2020 liberal media doesn't even consider his proven history of lying and plagiarism worthy of discussion.

1980's: This guy is a plagiarizer he needs to bow out

2020:  Joe Biden has 9 accusers of harassment and rape on top of his proven history of lying and plagiarism and it's "I believe Joe"

And that's not even mentioning his apparent mental decline.

 
They could lock Joe in a lightless, windowless dungeon, behind six feet of lead walls, take his phone and laptop, prevent all visitation and keep him there until November and I think he'd have a pretty good shot of taking this home.

Hell, it might even help as long as they brought him out into the public every few weeks Kim Jong Il style.

 
squistion said:
@zakcheneyrice must have missed that last debate with Bernie.
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Many on the far right are running with painting Biden as someone who's lost his mental abilities and probably needs help putting on his pants in the morning. The thing is, once he and Trump are on the stage together debating, all the people who have been sold this bill of goods will be stunned when Biden handily wins the debates. If Biden is supposed to be a drooling idiot, then how bad does that make Trump look??

I can't blame them for trying, but it will definitely backfire. 

 
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Jobber said:
Many on the far right are running with painting Biden as someone who's lost his mental abilities and probably needs help putting on his pants in the morning. The thing is, once he and Trump are on the stage together debating, all the people who have been sold this bill of goods will be stunned when Biden handily wins the debates. If Biden is supposed to be a drooling idiot, then how bad does that make Trump look??

I can't blame them for trying, but it will definitely backfire. 
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Yeah, I am reminded of the false talking point during the 2012 election that most everyone on the right believed - that Obama never said the Benghazi attack was an act of terror. It was started on Breibart, Daily Caller or some other far right site, was picked up by Fox and then repeated as gospel for months. Mitt Romney believed it too and when he parroted the line in the debate and it came back to bite him ("Please proceed, Governor").

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cFwtuInlMew

 
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Jobber said:
Many on the far right are running with painting Biden as someone who's lost his mental abilities and probably needs help putting on his pants in the morning. The thing is, once he and Trump are on the stage together debating, all the people who have been sold this bill of goods will be stunned when Biden handily wins the debates. If Biden is supposed to be a drooling idiot, then how bad does that make Trump look??

I can't blame them for trying, but it will definitely backfire. 
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There is a lot of evidence supporting it.

Steve Guest

@steveguest

Even while reading from notes during a LULAC virtual town hall today, Joe Biden can’t keep his thoughts straight:

"so workers don't have to leave work to uh to get uh uh to be fired in order uh when they get sick to be able to continue to live"

 
Dinsy Ejotuz said:
They could lock Joe in a lightless, windowless dungeon, behind six feet of lead walls, take his phone and laptop, prevent all visitation and keep him there until November and I think he'd have a pretty good shot of taking this home.

Hell, it might even help as long as they brought him out into the public every few weeks Kim Jong Il style.
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:blackdot:

 
ren hoek said:
https://twitter.com/TheIDSmiths/status/1244902174796242944

I can't imagine why
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Huh, it seems this feeble old man said that the President should put in place things that there have been shortages of in the coronavirus crisis. Boy that is some sloppy phrasing and a really poorly placed participle.

Last night the president claimed the 1917 (not 1918) Spanish Flu caused the end of WW1, while expanding its death total to 100 million, and that he has been mistreated worse than Abraham Lincoln, which he said as he was interviewed in full orange-face in front of the hallowed monument dedicated in the Great Uniter's name.

 
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Jobber said:
Many on the far right are running with painting Biden as someone who's lost his mental abilities and probably needs help putting on his pants in the morning. The thing is, once he and Trump are on the stage together debating, all the people who have been sold this bill of goods will be stunned when Biden handily wins the debates. If Biden is supposed to be a drooling idiot, then how bad does that make Trump look??

I can't blame them for trying, but it will definitely backfire. 
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I'm glad us independents see it as Joe painting this picture all by himself.     I hope if he does debate, he does not have any bad moments.  With all the moments he keeps on having, it's going to look very bad on all of us if he has any bad moments of the debate stage.  And of course, Trump will do everything to set him off and get him started.  

 
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So this morning is the 8 year anniversary of what was arguably Joe Biden’s finest moment as a politician: his endorsement, as Vice President, of marriage equality. 

Today many regard gay marriage as an inevitability. But it wasn’t. Biden made a positive difference.

 
The POLITICO/Morning Consult poll released Tuesday shows that more than a third of voters believe Democrats should abandon Biden as their nominee over the recent claims from the former Senate aide that date back to the early 1990s.

The survey — conducted in the days after Biden appeared on MSNBC's "Morning Joe" on Friday to personally deny the charges for the first time — found 28 percent of Democrats “definitely” or “probably” favor replacing Biden with another nominee to take on President Donald Trump in November.

https://www.politico.com/news/2020/05/05/reade-allegations-hurt-bidens-bid-to-unite-democrats-238662

Roughly 1/3 of voters favor replacing Joe Biden with someone else. 

 
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