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T.J. Hockenson’s 131 yards was not only the most for a rookie TE’s debut, but it was 12th all-time for ANY rookie TE performance.
Just barely behind... Charlie Sanders, who has 133 in a single game.
It was the second-best rookie TE performance since 1995.
PICK NO. 8: TE T.J. HOCKENSON, DETROIT LIONS
2019 overall grade: 83.0
It definitely wasn’t the result the team wanted, but aside from that, Hockenson should be very happy about his first regular-season game. He caught all six of his catchable targets in Week 1 against the Cardinals and churned out 131 receiving yards, 50 yards after the catch, four first-down conversions and one touchdown. Since 2006, when PFF started grading games, there have been 189 instances where a rookie tight end has run at least 25 routes in a single-game; among those, Hockenson’s 131 receiving yards in this one ranks first, while his average of 3.54 yards per route run ranks fourth.
noIm so tempted to offer TY or Ridley for him. Dude has him and Waller and Im stuck with Njoku.
Which way does the "no" go?
Way too muchWhich way does the "no" go?
Are TY or Calvin too much or too little for THE HOCK?
As an owner of Hockenson almost everywhere, I would not trade him for either of those guys. I will gladly admit I have him way over valued. But that's my rightWhich way does the "no" go?
Are TY or Calvin too much or too little for THE HOCK?
Thought so. I'm getting offers that are much lower in both leagues I roster him. I also roster Waller in one and can run trade analysis by FBG League Dominator (Subscribe. Buy it.).Way too much
My only issue with it is that you cant include draft picks. FBG is very redraft centered (Draft dominator, lineup dominator) which is frustrating when it seems redraft is the minority these days to dynasty, DFS, etcrun trade analysis by FBG League Dominator (Subscribe. Buy it.).
I can certainly see your point. I'm straight redraft though I'm still looking for a serious, free (I don't play for money) dynasty league. Mr. Peterson pointed me in the direction of a site and I think I may pay the fees associated, thinking of it not as a gambling cost, but as an administrative one (nothing against gambling, just another vice I don't need.)My only issue with it is that you cant include draft picks. FBG is very redraft centered (Draft dominator, lineup dominator) which is frustrating when it seems redraft is the minority these days to dynasty, DFS, etc
That's pretty much 2 late 2020 1sts?As an owner of Hockenson almost everywhere, I would not trade him for either of those guys. I will gladly admit I have him way over valued. But that's my right
It would take a LOT to pry him away from me
ETA: I was verbally offered Henderson (I like him but am very concerned... not really looking to buy unless it's at a discount), Robby Anderson (yuck), and a low 2020 1st for Davis and Hock. Easily shot it down.
If I was offered two 2020 1sts for Hockenson I'd do it, sure, but probably not the equivalent of that in players... especially a player I dont believe in at all (Robby Anderson) or a RB I'm falling out of love with (Henderson, who I would only give a 2nd for today)That's pretty much 2 late 2020 1sts?
I think I would have to do that one. Pretty tough to sell after that impressive first game as a rookie TE though...
The problem with being the next Gronk is you're too good at blocking to run as many pass routes as you'd like to see. The Evan Engram TEs seem to be better in fantasy and worse in football than the OJ Howard TEs..
I totally agree with your "point in time" argument. The point is to beat the prognostication by weeks in redraft, months and years for dynasty.I have very little if any interest in Ridley. I'm somewhat on an island on that one but I just don't see all the love with him. Hilton is not going to sway me from moving Hockenson. The snapshot in time that a trade evaluator tool gives you can be useful, but it is *only* one snapshot in time based on the analysis of whoever assigned the values. These tools don't give any credit whatsoever to trends in value and/or how they might change after say one year or even a few games.
As always we should be striving to aim the throw where the receiver is going to be, not where they are at the moment. I love me Hilton but am not making moves for him. Ridley might get there but as long as Julio plays I am not targeting him either.
I'd keep Hock and it's not close.
For dynasty I am not sure if you could get Gronkenson for Hilton right now.Im so tempted to offer TY or Ridley for him. Dude has him and Waller and Im stuck with Njoku.
Zealots FieldI can certainly see your point. I'm straight redraft though I'm still looking for a serious, free (I don't play for money) dynasty league. Mr. Peterson pointed me in the direction of a site and I think I may pay the fees associated, thinking of it not as a gambling cost, but as an administrative one (nothing against gambling, just another vice I don't need.)
Anyway, long story short is that your point is taken. I wouldn't even know how to begin to value picks. I'd imagine a good dynasty feel takes years to come by and until then you need to fake it or try to circumvent experience through reasearch by procuring at least a subscription to a dynasty-oriented site.
I dont play there anymore but I did for about 12 years or so. Oscar Knight is good people.Wow. Thanks a bunch to both you and Mr. Peterson for taking the time to address my personal desire to play dynasty and point me in the general direction. I think he pointed me to Zealots, too, though I'll have to check the PM he sent. I had looked into one site and followed up with a query about any leagues he personally knew about it and he said he'd look into it. Anwyay, I really appreciate what you just did, Biabreakable.
How many teams?Here's what I'm faced with - would you play Hock this week at home vs Chargers in the flex or Alshon Jeffrey at Atl. No PPR. I want Hock, league partner wants Jeffrey. I want to play Hock there every week or try to move him as we also have Kelce and if we don't play him in the flex, he just wastes away.
See I was given some grief from our commish in a league for my high value. We could be looking at someone special.he set an NFL record in his first ever NFL game.
think of all the amazing TEs that have graced an nfl field.... he slapped em all.
Stafford threw the ball to Ebron. Ebron just didn't catch it.After the year would be a great time to compare Stafford and TE usage with and without Hock, an article entitled:
Post Hock, Ergo Propter Hock?
I'll exit stage left.
This guy's stock is insane.
Attempts would indeed be covered in the article, as would catch percentage from the perspective of both a raw score and as a determinant.Stafford threw the ball to Ebron. Ebron just didn't catch it.
Crowned after one week against a bad defense. He’s a rookie and he’s not Gronk.MrSoup said:Anybody been watching the game? What happened today?
Fant is a stud in his own right. You will be happy with drafting him Denver is on the record of having huge plans for him and envision him as their own Kelce.I really wish I had gone deeper for Hockenson. I took Fant in most of my dynasty drafts. Thinking I have 3 years for Fant to develop while Hockenson looks like a polished NFL TE. Buyers remorse? maybe.
But good job to those that invested heavily. I think it will pay off.
Correction. Stafford is not Brady and the Lions are not the Patriots.Crowned after one week against a bad defense. He’s a rookie and he’s not Gronk.
Not unreal. If you've followed the Lions at all historically you'd expect this.Not even in the game plan. Unreal.
Oh wow! So he was basically saying he’s untouchable!?!?!?He’s still a rookie tight end. People were getting a little ahead of themselves. Asked about him in one of my leagues cause Henry went down for me. Price the guy wanted was three 2020 1sts.