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*** OFFICIAL *** COVID-19 CoronaVirus Thread. Fresh epidemic fears as child pneumonia cases surge in Europe after China outbreak. NOW in USA (18 Viewers)
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IC FBGCav
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fatness
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That study says nothing about unvaccinated people who have had COVID, which is the point you say it backs you up on.
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Terminalxylem
Footballguy
Disagree. Delta is more contagious and at least as deadly as the variants that preceded it. Omicron could go either way.
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fatness
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Here's what it says.
That study says nothing about unvaccinated people who have had COVID, which is the point you say it backs you up on. Apparently you don't even know what your links say.
fatness
Footballguy
It says
That study says nothing about unvaccinated people who have had COVID, which is the point you say it backs you up on.
fatness
Footballguy
So you have a list of links you throw out, like tomatoes against a wall, even though you don't know what they say.
Congrats on your list.
IC FBGCav
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BigJim®
Footballguy
It's such odd schtick to make an unvaccinated study argument, and repeatedly post articles that don't use the word "unvaccinated."
Terminalxylem
Footballguy
It is, for some NAATs, but usually the test results aren’t given with enough detail to recognize the difference. Typically, it’s “positive” or negative”.
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IC FBGCav
Footballguy
This is not about the article. Just me. Is there a difference between unvaccinated and had covid unvaccinated,
fatness
Footballguy
BigJim®
Footballguy
That last article you posted concludes:
Do you accept that finding? Agree it favors vaccinating for previously infected?
ProstheticRGK
Footballguy
well, then, clearly you are superimmune. Uless you catch it again, then you’d be… sick
Terminalxylem
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gianmarco
Footballguy
This has been posted repeatedly here and ignored and yet we do the same unproductive circle dance every couple weeks and people continue to jump on board and engage.
Navin Johnson
Footballguy
That is an LHUCKSian pulling of a number out of one's backside.belljr said:
Willy
Footballguy
belljr said:
Sorry, if it's been posted - I'm sort of scrolling past a lot of these. That number is from the CDC. They estimated that the actual number of cases in the US are in that ball park due to under reporting.
https://www.cdc.gov/coronavirus/2019-ncov/cases-updates/burden.html
I know ALOT more people (dozens) who have been vaccinated and gotten covid than people who have been reinfected (0)fatness said:
Also, does the first covid infection prevent hospitalization for the 2nd? In other words, does natural immunity act like the vax?
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Leeroy Jenkins
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The vaccine isn't going to be 0% effective. And if they are above 70% that is still amazing and where the original target was anyway.
Nathan R. Jessep
Footballguy
Hot off the press from Your Local Epidemiologist....
I'll be honest, I had thought thus far that Omicron was going to be a nothing burger. Wishful thinking I guess. But this concerns me a bit.
Omicron Update: Dec 4 (YLE)
I'll be honest, I had thought thus far that Omicron was going to be a nothing burger. Wishful thinking I guess. But this concerns me a bit.
Omicron Update: Dec 4 (YLE)
- This (South Africa data over the pandemic and including up through 11/27/21) is the first evidence to show us that the rate of reinfection with Omicron is high—3 times higher than Delta. In other words, infection-induced immunity is not doing a great job at stopping Omicron.
- US is seeing case growth across the nation with 94,926 new cases per day. Hot spots are clustered in the Northern states who were largely untouched by Delta during the summer, but all geographic areas in the United States are increasing.
- Not nearly enough people are fully protected going into the Winter months. Only 59.7% of the United States is fully vaccinated (which the CDC defines as not having a booster, which really needs to change). Only 22% of 18+ are boosted and, even more concerning, only 46% of those aged 65+.
belljr
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Well then I'll throw a my bad. The worldometers had it at like 60. I appreciate the the civil response
I'm talking about hospitalization not reinfection.
So someone vaxxed can get covid but their chances of being hospitalized are greatly reduced.
Someone unvaxxed but previously infected can also get covid at a higher rate than the above person (according to the article above) but what are their chances of being hospitalized compared to the first person.
Leeroy Jenkins
Footballguy
Because the spike protein isn't 100% mutated. It isn't going to be 0% -- it's a matter of how much the efficacy will be reduced and what that factor is for someone with 2 shots vs 3 shots.
fatness
Footballguy
I don't know. That last link I gave you was a study of hospitalized patients, patients that lived. There have been multiple links posted showing unvaccinated people are far more likely to be hospitalized. Perhaps you could look up the answer you're seeking.
Leeroy Jenkins
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fatness
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Summary
Unvaccinated 12-34 year-olds in Washington are
• 5 times more likely to get COVID-19 compared with fully vaccinated 12-34 year-olds.
• 17 times more likely to be hospitalized with COVID-19 compared with fully vaccinated 12-34 year-olds.
Unvaccinated 35-64 year-olds are
• 5 times more likely to get COVID-19 compared with fully vaccinated 35-64 year-olds.
• 18 times more likely to be hospitalized with COVID-19 compared with fully vaccinated 35-64 year-olds.
Unvaccinated 65+ year-olds are
• 5 times more likely to get COVID-19 compared with fully vaccinated 65+ year-olds.
• 10 times more likely to be hospitalized with COVID-19 compared with fully vaccinated 65+ year-olds.
• 11 times more likely to die of COVID-19 compared with fully vaccinated 65+ year-olds.
https://www.doh.wa.gov/Portals/1/Documents/1600/coronavirus/data-tables/421-010-CasesInNotFullyVaccinated.pdf
Unvaccinated 12-34 year-olds in Washington are
• 5 times more likely to get COVID-19 compared with fully vaccinated 12-34 year-olds.
• 17 times more likely to be hospitalized with COVID-19 compared with fully vaccinated 12-34 year-olds.
Unvaccinated 35-64 year-olds are
• 5 times more likely to get COVID-19 compared with fully vaccinated 35-64 year-olds.
• 18 times more likely to be hospitalized with COVID-19 compared with fully vaccinated 35-64 year-olds.
Unvaccinated 65+ year-olds are
• 5 times more likely to get COVID-19 compared with fully vaccinated 65+ year-olds.
• 10 times more likely to be hospitalized with COVID-19 compared with fully vaccinated 65+ year-olds.
• 11 times more likely to die of COVID-19 compared with fully vaccinated 65+ year-olds.
https://www.doh.wa.gov/Portals/1/Documents/1600/coronavirus/data-tables/421-010-CasesInNotFullyVaccinated.pdf
Leeroy Jenkins
Footballguy
And now Omicron may have incorporated some genetic sequencing from the "common cold" which was encountered when in common cells. Which could be why it transmits easier . . . .
belljr
Footballguy
I literally just read something about the scientific debate on this. Another hypothesis is this is not a delta variant "child" but mutated (branched off much earlier) from an immunecompromised host
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The early results seem to be checking all the boxes of concern - spreading wildly, evading natural and vaccine immunity and affecting younger kids. The biggest piece is severity. High cases that don’t result in hospitalizations and deaths negate much of the other concerns. In the next couple weeks we will see if these huge case jumps in SA result in surging hospitalizations. We’re also 7-10 days away from getting data from the vaccine manufactures on how resistant the variant is.
Those are the two most important things to watch in the next two weeks and will determined how screwed we are.
Those are the two most important things to watch in the next two weeks and will determined how screwed we are.
One interview I heard speculated that South Africa being the epicenter may indicate the mutation could be due to a co-infection with HIV because SA has a high incidence of undiagnosed cases.
I thought Delta transmitted like chicken pox which is much more infectious than the common cold.
WDIK2
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So my sense of smell had been gradually coming back over the last couple of days. Now, it's completely gone again. WTH? Anyone else experience this?
My small office workplace had been relatively spared by other waves. Now there have been about 6 of us get it in the last 2 weeks. And my coworkers families.
My small office workplace had been relatively spared by other waves. Now there have been about 6 of us get it in the last 2 weeks. And my coworkers families.
Leeroy Jenkins
Footballguy
Leeroy Jenkins
Footballguy
I have to find the article, but it was something about the common cold masks as human DNA so evades the immune system.
Nathan R. Jessep
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