What's new
Fantasy Football - Footballguys Forums

Welcome to Our Forums. Once you've registered and logged in, you're primed to talk football, among other topics, with the sharpest and most experienced fantasy players on the internet.

Government Response To The Coronavirus (13 Viewers)

Status
Not open for further replies.
Look, Trump is just trying to be optimistic and you can’t be optimistic while properly preparing in advance because that would send a mixed message. I can’t believe people are mad that he’s trying to be a shining light in the darkness like he always has been.

 
adonis said:
We're still weeks away from those things.  If we're not at, or right near 100k deaths in a month, it'd be a miracle.

Exponential growth doesn't stop overnight.  As exponential growth continues across the country, and people get sick, and healthcare systems get overloaded, the deaths will increase.  I'm not a doomsday person...it's just the consequence of how this thing spreads and where we are in terms of being able to slow its spread through testing, treatment, isolation, contact tracing.  We're nowhere near where we need to be on almost all levels...so why would the curve not continue to spike?  Several more weeks of growth will put us at levels of loss of human life that will be utterly mind-boggling. 

Kinda like 100k infections was mindboggling a few weeks ago when we just had a handful of infections known in the country.  But exponential growth showed that we'd be here.  The same natural forces will push us in this direction, unfortunately.  Folks I know, who are doing OK today, will likely be dead within a couple of months.  Not a lot, but 1-3% for sure...and if I knew a disproprotionate number of elderly folks, that % will be higher.
Click to expand...
Not only that, we haven't seen the repercussions of the spring breakers.

 
Hey man, if Trump wants to go out there and say there’s an imminent cure and name-drop specific medications despite any training or education on the subject, I say stop being such a wet blanket and let him give people hope. Literally nothing bad can happen as a result.

 
McBokonon said:
Hey man, if Trump wants to go out there and say there’s an imminent cure and name-drop specific medications despite any training or education on the subject, I say stop being such a wet blanket and let him give people hope. Literally nothing bad can happen as a result.
Click to expand...
Seriously.  How could a President dispensing bad information do any damage so long as he's telling people what they want to hear?

/s

 
Trump is incorrect.  A lot of people dont watch The Bachelor live.  If you include the dvr numbers his pandemic presser did not win the time slot.  Nonetheless it is very impressive.

 
McBokonon said:
Look, Trump is just trying to be optimistic and you can’t be optimistic while properly preparing in advance because that would send a mixed message. I can’t believe people are mad that he’s trying to be a shining light in the darkness like he always has been.
Click to expand...
that’s absurd.  of course you can.  any functioning non-narcissistic sociopath could do it.  oh right....

 
Daywalker said:
Trump is incorrect.  A lot of people dont watch The Bachelor live.  If you include the dvr numbers his pandemic presser did not win the time slot.  Nonetheless it is very impressive.
Click to expand...
Maybe people are watching because they are interested in the subject and not about who the host is.

 
shader said:
It’s on the low side. A best-case scenario
Click to expand...
The latest modelers are using 0.9 percent as a worst case.   As more information comes in wrt testing across the entire populations, I can 100 percent guarantee you it will be below 1 percent. 

 
jon_mx said:
The latest modelers are using 0.9 percent as a worst case.   As more information comes in wrt testing across the entire populations, I can 100 percent guarantee you it will be below 1 percent. 
Click to expand...
link?

South Korea tested as comprehensively as you can possibly test.  We know their testing worked, too.  Why?  Because they stopped the spread.  

Their death rate is1.4% and slowly climbing as everybody progresses through the virus.

Your guarantee of "well below 1 percent" is worthless, you realize that, right?  It also goes against the data we have, the data the WHO provides, and mysteriously lines up with Trump's 1 percent figure (imagine that)

When this is all said and done, if data comes out that shows that the death rate was in fact .5%, ok?  It still won't change the number of people that will ultimately die.

 
shader said:
link?

South Korea tested as comprehensively as you can possibly test.  We know their testing worked, too.  Why?  Because they stopped the spread.  

Their death rate is1.4% and slowly climbing as everybody progresses through the virus.

Your guarantee of "well below 1 percent" is worthless, you realize that, right?  It also goes against the data we have, the data the WHO provides, and mysteriously lines up with Trump's 1 percent figure (imagine that)

When this is all said and done, if data comes out that shows that the death rate was in fact .5%, ok?  It still won't change the number of people that will ultimately die.
Click to expand...
They tested comprehensibly compared to others, but it’s still at less than 1% of their total population.  You think only 1% of South Korea had the virus?

 
shader said:
The mortality rate is 1% as a floor.  This isn’t really debatable anymore.
Click to expand...


shader said:
Your guarantee of "well below 1 percent" is worthless, you realize that, right?  It also goes against the data we have, the data the WHO provides, and mysteriously lines up with Trump's 1 percent figure (imagine that)
Click to expand...
The whole routine of yours that numbers cited by you are right and numbers cited by others are wrong has been your tact from the start. Time will tell. And it's going to require a study of the people who are asymptomatic and those who cycled through without ever being tested because they had mild symptoms. According to some experts who are taking that into account, the final death rate could very well be under 1%.

 
jon_mx said:
Watch the link below between the 4:00 and 6:30 mark.  If you really want to understand the topic listen to the whole thing.  

https://youtu.be/d6MZy-2fcBw
Click to expand...
Don't have a link, but recall an interview with a WH staffer (don't recall who, might have been the surgeon general) who used 0.7% as what they were projecting the mortality rate fall to based on the data they were seeing.  Sorry don't have anything more concrete, but 0.7% is a number that would be a miracle to see after initial projections were in the 3% range.      

 
Jobber said:
Our idiot in Chief is tweeting, bragging about TV ratings for his press conferences. Lovely.
Click to expand...
I'm sure if Obama tweeted during H1N1 that his press conference ratings were better than the Bachelor all of the Trump supporters and enablers here would have been fine with it. They'd probably also be fine with Obama if he bragged about barging in on naked teenage girls, cheated on his wife with a porn star and paid her off so she'd shut up about it, and got banned from operating nonprofits due to being too corrupt. I mean it's both sides.

 
Tom Skerritt said:
So NyQuil is a cure for the common cold?

Benadryl is a cure for allergies?
Click to expand...
If you have a fever and it Nyquil eliminates it, by most definitions it is a cure.  A better definition should include a permanent fix, but most definitions don't include that. Every definition of cure would include treatments which returns one to health from COVID-19.  

 
jon_mx said:
If you have a fever and it Nyquil eliminates it, by most definitions it is a cure.  A better definition should include a permanent fix, but most definitions don't include that. Every definition of cure would include treatments which returns one to health from COVID-19.  
Click to expand...
I generally disagree with just about everything you post, but I also generally enjoy debating you. That ends today. Your take on a “cure” is laughable. But keep fighting the good fight. 

 
Snotbubbles said:
Don't have a link, but recall an interview with a WH staffer (don't recall who, might have been the surgeon general) who used 0.7% as what they were projecting the mortality rate fall to based on the data they were seeing.  Sorry don't have anything more concrete, but 0.7% is a number that would be a miracle to see after initial projections were in the 3% range.      
Click to expand...
The range the Stanford Proessor provides and he is thoroughly analyzing all the available data and is a leading expert in this field said the range could be anywhere from .05% to 1.0 percent.  

 
Tom Skerritt said:
I generally disagree with just about everything you post, but I also generally enjoy debating you. That ends today. Your take on a “cure” is laughable. But keep fighting the good fight. 
Click to expand...
Provide a definition.  I looked at several definitions online including medical definitions, and all of them included treatments.  I am curious what definition you are using.  I honestly could not find a single definition where a successful treatment is not considered a cure. 

 
Last edited by a moderator:
Mile High said:
How did this prevent spreading and saving lives,  when right now it's spreading and people are dying?
Click to expand...
"One of the things we did right was very early cut off travel from China to the United States," he said, while noting that "outside of China, where it originated, the countries in the world who have it are through travel."

Fauci also said that those who became infected with the virus early on got it "from China or indirectly from someone who went some place then came to that particular country. "
Click to expand...
Our exposure footprint was reduced.   Take a look back in the thread on the Cell-phone heat map I posted from just one beach during spring break and how those people moved.  Then apply that to people coming in daily and spreading out.

 
Bernie Sanders @SenSanders

Palestinians in Gaza already faced hardship under a blockade. Now they're dealing with the coronavirus.

My Senate colleagues and I call on Trump to send U.S. medical relief. And the Israeli government must also lift its restrictions on humanitarian aid.

 
jon_mx said:
Provide a definition.  I looked at several definitions online including medical definitions, and all of them included treatments.  I am curious what definition you are using.  I honestly could not find a single definition where a successful treatment is not considered a cure. 
Click to expand...
The term "cure" means that, after medical treatment, the patient no longer has that particular condition anymore.

Some diseases can be cured.

Others, like hepatitis B, have no cure. The person will always have the condition, but medical treatments can help to manage the disease.

from the U.S. National Library of medicine:

Viruses are very tiny germs. They are made of genetic material inside of a protein coating. Viruses cause familiar infectious diseases such as the common cold, flu and warts. They also cause severe illnesses such as HIV/AIDS, smallpox, and Ebola.

Viruses are like hijackers. They invade living, normal cells and use those cells to multiply and produce other viruses like themselves. This can kill, damage, or change the cells and make you sick. Different viruses attack certain cells in your body such as your liver, respiratory system, or blood.

When you get a virus, you may not always get sick from it. Your immune system may be able to fight it off.

For most viral infections, treatments can only help with symptoms while you wait for your immune system to fight off the virus. Antibiotics do not work for viral infections. There are antiviral medicines to treat some viral infections. 

Vaccines can help prevent you from getting many viral diseases.
Click to expand...
 
Cure means safety and efficacy. It means pharmacologically the remedy interacts with the body chemistry to attack the virus and neutralize or eliminate and that is done safely.

It’s not a cure just because someone takes a Rc and then gets better, that’s anecdotal,  or temporal, not a cure.

 
jon_mx said:
Provide a definition.  I looked at several definitions online including medical definitions, and all of them included treatments.  I am curious what definition you are using.  I honestly could not find a single definition where a successful treatment is not considered a cure. 
Click to expand...
Do you believe that there is a cure for the flu?

 
Daywalker said:
Trump is incorrect.  A lot of people dont watch The Bachelor live.  If you include the dvr numbers his pandemic presser did not win the time slot.  Nonetheless it is very impressive.
Click to expand...
The published numbers are up to 3:00am to account for delayed viewing.  Are you talking about live+3 that's the only one I recall they have like 5 or more.

If you are can you post a link to the numbers for the two shows in question?

 
Status
Not open for further replies.

Similar threads

GordonGekko
Biden Violates Own "Disrespect" Edict By Refusing To Fire WHPS Psaki (4/18/22 18:29PST)
Replies
14
Views
597
JIslander
J
GordonGekko
Operation Fast & Furious Scandal: Obama Administration's ATF Sent Guns To Drug Cartels (5/27/22 20:22 PST)
Replies
7
Views
536
Max Power
Max Power
GordonGekko
Biden Administration Considering Sending Gas Rebate Cards To Millions Of Americans (6/18/22 19:28 PST)
Replies
43
Views
1K
AAABatteries
AAABatteries

Users who are viewing this thread

Total: 13 (members: 0, guests: 13)
Top