BladeRunner
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wasn't that the Obama's administration claim to fame? Turned out they were actually 180° from " more transparent ".
I'm curious, did you complain about it then?
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I'm curious, did you complain about it then?
BladeRunner
Footballguy
Can we stop at the revisionist history? The economy was the best economy in 50 or 60 years prior to the pandemic.
I know that's a tough pill for those on the left to swallow, but those are the facts.
sho nuff
Footballguy
GDP says otherwise...greatest economy claims are opinions of Trump and his supporters.
Also...his post wasn’t revisionist history...it was another posters direct quotes.
JbizzleMan
Footballguy
CEO of world's largest manufacturer of syringes says “no capacity” to quickly ramp up production to 1B syringes for expected COVID-19 vaccine b/c of “extreme surge demand”—adding a potential new wrinkle to the medical supply chain. nbcnews.com/news/us-news/s… @strickdc @S_Fitzpatrick
SaintsInDome2006
Footballguy
dkp993
Footballguy
Yeah well besides that, GREATEST EVER! And you’ve got to remember Trumps been saddled with a sky high 1 and 2% interest rate. Unfair!
Don't Noonan
Footballguy
Football Jones
Footballguy
Trump is going to win, regardless.
I think putting his name on those checks is what sealed his re-election.
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hxperson
Footballguy
What does "economy" mean? S&P 500? Nominal GDP? So what? Name one president where what you said wasn't true at some point during their presidency. The president after Trump, whether he/she is a Republican or Democrat, will be able to say the same thing. It's not an accomplishment. And that you think it is shows you have no understanding of economic data.
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The Z Machine
Footballguy
moleculo
Footballguy
It was a great economy that Obama left him. Trump then supercharged it with needless tax cuts, exploding the defect (which for some reason "fiscal conservatives" dont care about any more).
Not even sure he super charged it. If you look at the trend line it was better under Obama. The trend line isn’t as steep under trump.
just like the unemployment rate had improved every month for like the last 8-9 years - but for some reason it was celebrated under Trump even though the Obama administration did the heavy lifting.
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GoBirds
Footballguy
It’s was an economy that was trending down and propped up by the Fed printing money and creating artificially low rates.....yeah “great” economy thank Obama.
It’s was an economy that was trending down and propped up by the Fed printing money and creating artificially low rates.....yeah “great” economy thank Obama.
. So Trump's idea is to print even more money, and create artificially low interest rates, and artificially high stock prices.
GoBirds
Footballguy
But Trump! I don’t blame you, I wouldn’t try to defend the slowest recovery out of recession EVER either. But Trump!
So Trump's idea is to print even more money, and create artificially low interest rates, and artificially high stock prices.
Who saw that coming.
moleculo
Footballguy
One could argue the Obama bull market was about to crest and the Trump cuts kept the party going.
Trump’s Economic Growth Is Slower Than Obama’s Last 3 Years
Now, imagine what Trump's growth rates would have been if he had not prematurely gone for tax cuts in a growing market, or cut regulations to spur growth in a growing market.
Was this the discussion we were having? We were talking about the economy from Obama to trump
Challenge Everything
Footballguy
Not sure what people don't understand about the economy. I'll take 2% annual growth for the rest of my life, in the American economy, versus 4% one year, 1% the next year, 7% the following year, and -3% the next year. Steady growth is so much better than the roller coaster we've been on.
What goes up quickly, goes down quicker and it hurts much more. Steady growth, steady bumps, is so much better.
What goes up quickly, goes down quicker and it hurts much more. Steady growth, steady bumps, is so much better.
GoBirds
Footballguy
2016
Favorite “news” source of the left admitting it’s a fair statement before their spin attempt.
https://money.cnn.com/2016/10/05/news/economy/us-recovery-slowest-since-wwii/index.html
After this take a look at GDP by quarter trending down before Trump election once they finally started tapering the QE. This has all already been shown in here multiple times just pointing it out. There’s a thread on it if you wanted to check out more but I think most are already aware, anyways enjoy the weekend.
Hence the artificially high stock market - providing cash to companies to buy back stock, keeping prices inflated.
Bucsfan5493
Footballguy
It appears that article mentions Bush having a better recovery than Obama. Does that really matter much considering the economy just ended up crashing again at the end of his presidency?
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moleculo
Footballguy
2016 is more relevant than 2012. Its fair to say the Obama recovery was slower than any other recovery...fine. However, that had nothing to do with Trumps economy vs Obamas.2016
Favorite “news” source of the left admitting it’s a fair statement before their spin attempt.
https://money.cnn.com/2016/10/05/news/economy/us-recovery-slowest-since-wwii/index.html
After this take a look at GDP by quarter trending down before Trump election once they finally started tapering the QE. This has all already been shown in here multiple times just pointing it out. There’s a thread on it if you wanted to check out more but I think most are already aware, anyways enjoy the weekend.
Fortunately, our GB @Sinn Fein is on the case:
GoBirds
Footballguy
I’m sure there are plenty of ways to spin it if you want to. “But Trump!” Is the trend in here though, I would break form with “But Bush!”
I was merely correcting a false statement and provided links supporting it. There’s a whole thread where this was exposed as well. I’m good moving on if the regs can stop quoting.
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sho nuff
Footballguy
I mean it would ne a great argument...if anyone had made a point that Obama had a fast recovery from recession...
Where that falls apart is that literally nobody is saying that.
Its like someone claiming Michael Jordan is the greatest basketball and someone arguing, no he isn't, because his batting average sucked.
Where that falls apart is that literally nobody is saying that.
Its like someone claiming Michael Jordan is the greatest basketball and someone arguing, no he isn't, because his batting average sucked.
sho nuff
Footballguy
No statememt made was false...and your links have nothing to do with the statement made.
Thats the point...thats why people are saying spit out the hook...thats why its clear this isn't an honest attempt at a discussion from you.
Rich Conway
Footballguy
So, do you think it's going to be warmer or colder today? I checked three sites and they're all predicting warmer.
"Purple."
"Purple."
Ramblin Wreck
Footballguy
LOL at the guy always posting "spit out the hook" constantly posting this bait. Good times.Spit out the hooks guys. I had to make sure I didn't accidently click on the Trump safe space thread....I have to imagine this is the nonsense that goes on in there, no?
Ramblin Wreck
Footballguy
GoBirds
Footballguy
The myth of the Obama great economy has been disproven in here time after time and has been once again. If you have a problem with that then stop spreading misinformation. That’s not why people say spit the hook, that’s a common response when they can’t defend false info they have supported.
Again, please stop quoting me and let’s get back on track. Thanks.
GoBirds
Footballguy
Thinks GB. I think it’s important to point out misinformation even if a majority is against it as things can snowball out of control like the Russia storyline. Anyways, hope you and everyone in here has a good weekend.
Snotbubbles
Footballguy
The crash was in major part due to Clinton deregulation policies. Who deserves blame and credit is always a strange debate because good and bad regulations across different administrations play a part.
sho nuff
Footballguy
The economy when Trump took over was what was being discussed...not how long recovery took. The only thing you posted was calling the recovery slow. Which has nothing to do with the points that had been made.
I have not spread any misinformation...that is yet another false accusation you are making about me.
sho nuff
Footballguy
Your post was the misinformation. When discussing the economy at transition, you brought up recovery from the 2008 recession. That is misinformation and misdirection/deflection. Several pointed that out and you won’t let go of it...
That is what I correctly stated yours wasn't an honest discussion.
GoBirds
Footballguy
You’ve made another false statement as the downtrend in GDP at the end was also referenced. Please stop making false statements and let’s move on, this is not the thread for it. Please stop quoting me with these types of misinformation. Thanks.
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GoBirds
Footballguy
If you decide you have any facts to support this “great Obama economy “ I welcome you to take it to the correct thread, otherwise attempts to deflect like this aren’t adding any value.
timschochet
Footballguy
Doesn’t matter, does it?
Public perception is that Trump had a good economy until the virus. Democrats can argue all day long that it was Obama’s economy, and I might agree with them and disagree with you, but it doesn’t matter because you don’t win over public opinion with such arguments.
At the same time, however, Trump isn’t going to be able to argue successfully that “I made it good before, I can do it again” any more than Herbert Hoover could. The public doesn’t buy that sort of thing either. “This ain’t working, let’s try something different” is ALWAYS the most compelling argument for voters.
shader
Footballguy
The economy was great during much of Obama’s presidency and the beginning of Trump’s. Everything doesn’t have to be so partisan.
sho nuff
Footballguy
The GDP isn't the only part of the economy...also, not much of an actual trend if you look at the numbers...so poor effort here to bash me.
Please stop with these bogus accusations.
Trump better hope so, because I'm not sure any other president has been unable to have a single year of 3% growth.
GoBirds
Footballguy
That’s simply not true. Since you can’t stop these false claims I’ve got to go back to ignore and hopefully you can move on. Best.
Pretty good visualization of how each country is dealing with the curve. Spolier, we're doing terrible: https://www.endcoronavirus.org/countries
Dinsy Ejotuz
Footballguy
Meh.
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Dinsy Ejotuz
Footballguy
The steps to take at the bottom are pretty interesting -- it's like the countries that are doing well had a standardized response plan or something. Why are we only hearing about these now?
When the leader of the country won't listen to scientists, won't wear a mask, and refuses to socially distance it isn't really surprising that the populace will follow. Saw a blurb yesterday that we now have more cases in Iowa than in South Korea. Really doing an abysmal job and are reopeinging recklessly.
GoBirds
Footballguy
Come on be honest, you truly believe our entire country would follow all the rules if Trump wears a mask? Come on man.
sho nuff
Footballguy
You have yet to ignore me in the first place...and yes...what i stated is 100% true and you have offered absolutely nothing to refute it.
A. The GDP itself is not the economy...if it was, Trump claiming this was the best economy ever is obviously BS considering his numbers have been poor there.
B. There was not much of a trend. We have been over this before. GDP by quarter...look at the numbers...where is the downward trend in 2016 into 2017 when Trump took office?
https://www.statista.com/statistics/188185/percent-chance-from-preceding-period-in-real-gdp-in-the-us/
Once again...linking to actual data...vs you making claims and bogus assertions that I am making false claims.
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