dkp993
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I’m not trying to force you to do a thing. Just pointing out you’re a scared person while calling other people scared. That’s all.
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Doug B
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The problems aren't comparable -- if for no other reason, the prospect of contagion. You really think all this stuff is apples to apples?
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Rich Conway
Footballguy
This particular item seems like something that would be better solved by an electric fence and a shock collar than a gun.
dkp993
Footballguy
The Commish
Footballguy
I've already done this post GB
It was met with crickets and people still thinking it's better to "take their chances" with vaccines that include things like ethanol. This ship has sailed too.
Doug B
Footballguy
(Man, your sidearm must've never left your hand back in the self-scoring days ...
"Hey! A spare only takes one stroke, kemosabe.")
Insein
Footballguy
People that don't take a shot with unknown side effects are scared but people rushing to get the same shot for fear of getting sick and then threatening those who don't get it are not scared?
Ok
Doug B
Footballguy
It's all right. It's still worth it for the sideline folks.I've already done this post GB
It was met with crickets and people still thinking it's better to "take their chances" with vaccines that include things like ethanol. This ship has sailed too.
dkp993
Footballguy
The Commish
Footballguy
Is there a way we can direct target the sideline folks to the other thread without drawing the pollution in with them?
There is like 3 or 4 people ever reading this thread at one time. Every single one of them regular posters.
Doug B
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There are people reading the thread that don't show up in the list below. Whether your name is listed below threads is a profile setting.There is like 3 or 4 people ever reading this thread at one time. Every single one of them regular posters.
EDIT: Plus, random people find forum threads through Google keyword searches.
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Stealthycat
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exactly - just like influenze
I think it was engineered -had it NOT been ... we'd not be where we are. Its absolutely relevant - people seem to think vaccinate and it'll go away forever - that's not going to happen
nobody is "giving up" but also there is no needs to absolutely freek the heck out
to a biological crawl - you mean like how we've beaten influenza (h1n1) ? yeah - doesn't work that way, they're viruses
I doubt that'll ever happen - new variants of the flu if mutated/engineered in a certain way would kill millions, many viruses could be alters though natural or man made ways that would kill millions - hundreds of millions is they were contagious/deadly
I can only imagine in 2030 if a virus was released that killed 10% of the population instead of 0.18 % ..... that's right, covid has been credited with not killing 99.82 % of the USA population if my math is right. if such a virus happened ..... imagine that ?
Bottomfeeder Sports
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Do you believe that generally speaking free markets provide the best outcomes? And that this is true whether or not you are talking about products and services but also ideas and policy? That individuals entering into voluntary negotiations to pursue the best possible arrangements for their own needs (i.e. maximize utility) drives the overall market into a place of balance that maximizes results across the entire market?
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quick-hands
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The Commish
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Grace Under Pressure
Footballguy
This is correct. Would like to see much more discussion about this by leadership.
General Malaise
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This "clueless wonder" finished first in his class at Cornell University's Medical College. Where you did you finish in your graduating class at medical school?
I wonder if you were calling this guy a "clueless wonder" when President Bush awarded him the Medal of Freedom. Doubt it.
-fish-
Footballguy
dude. you're wasting your time and all that will happen is that he'll follow you around every thread and post smiley faces. but don't use the word for that or you get a time out.
Grace Under Pressure
Footballguy
Texas has seen nearly 9,000 COVID-19 deaths since February. All but 43 were unvaccinated people.
"99.5% of people who died due to COVID-19 in Texas from Feb. 8 to July 14 were unvaccinated, while 0.5% were the result of “breakthrough infections,” which DSHS defines as people who contracted the virus two weeks after being fully vaccinated.
Dr. David Lakey, the chief medical officer of the University of Texas System, said people succumbing to the coronavirus despite being vaccinated was “not unexpected.”
“No vaccine is 100%,” said Lakey, who is also a member of the Texas Medical Association’s COVID-19 task force. “And we’ve known for a long while that the vaccines aren’t 100%, but they’re really really good at preventing severe disease and hospitalizations. … There will always be some individuals that will succumb to the illness in the absence of full herd immunity.”
He added that 0.5% is “a very low number of individuals in a state of 30 million. … In the grand perspective of everything, that’s not a large number that would call into question at all the use of this vaccine.”"
"99.5% of people who died due to COVID-19 in Texas from Feb. 8 to July 14 were unvaccinated, while 0.5% were the result of “breakthrough infections,” which DSHS defines as people who contracted the virus two weeks after being fully vaccinated.
Dr. David Lakey, the chief medical officer of the University of Texas System, said people succumbing to the coronavirus despite being vaccinated was “not unexpected.”
“No vaccine is 100%,” said Lakey, who is also a member of the Texas Medical Association’s COVID-19 task force. “And we’ve known for a long while that the vaccines aren’t 100%, but they’re really really good at preventing severe disease and hospitalizations. … There will always be some individuals that will succumb to the illness in the absence of full herd immunity.”
He added that 0.5% is “a very low number of individuals in a state of 30 million. … In the grand perspective of everything, that’s not a large number that would call into question at all the use of this vaccine.”"
Doug B
Footballguy
Anecdotal:
Some oil-platform labor contractors down here in Louisiana are getting serious about COVID vaccination among their employees. One company is requiring that all unvaccinated have to undergo a 5-day quarantine before every trip out to the rig. Five days in a hotel (link says employee pays for [docked?] the hotel room?) before getting on the helicopter.
That means for the 14-days-on/14-days-off guys, they lose five of their off days to the required quaranting. Vaccinated crewmen came come and go as normal.
No losing jobs. No threats. No deadline (yet). Just a major-league PITA for those who just won't do the vaccine.
Some oil-platform labor contractors down here in Louisiana are getting serious about COVID vaccination among their employees. One company is requiring that all unvaccinated have to undergo a 5-day quarantine before every trip out to the rig. Five days in a hotel (link says employee pays for [docked?] the hotel room?) before getting on the helicopter.
That means for the 14-days-on/14-days-off guys, they lose five of their off days to the required quaranting. Vaccinated crewmen came come and go as normal.
No losing jobs. No threats. No deadline (yet). Just a major-league PITA for those who just won't do the vaccine.
General Malaise
Footballguy
General Malaise
Footballguy
Show some respect the man. He's earned it.He peaked early. He's had the same government desk surfing job since 1984.
-fish-
Footballguy
Sorry, the government is our company's primary Client. It's well known that the top talent is always in the private class, always. Just look at the last two POTUS. If he had anything of value he'd be be getting an 8 figure salary from Pfizer or similar. But respect? Just look at his record, guy has been wrong more than a carnival fortune teller.
quick-hands
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Dr. Amanda Cohn, the executive secretary of the CDC’s Advisory Committee on Immunization Practices, was asked if Covid-19 vaccination can be required, she responded that under an EUA, “vaccines are not allowed to be mandatory. So, early in this vaccination phase, individuals will have to be consented and they won’t be able to be mandatory.” Cohn later affirmed that this prohibition on requiring the vaccines applies to organizations, including hospitals.
This is the primary reason why making children wear masks is so dumb. Let them spread it. Let them develop anti-bodies naturally since they are at virtually zero risk.
moleculo
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General Malaise
Footballguy
Some people feel compelled to serve society and country. Do you feel this way about our military leaders past and present? Should Patton or Eisenhower chosen the dollar over duty? Would you call them 'clueless wonders' for any blunders or would you have a touch more respect? Fauci's net worth isn't a way to judge his career. He's been lionized for decades by several different institutions (Stanford for one) and US administrations under presidents of both parties. He's far from a "clueless wonder" and if said that of Trump, the report button would be mashed and I would be gone.
dkp993
Footballguy
The middle has completely washed away. A person is either a hero/god or complete hack/idiot these days. Completely faultless or completely to blame. Everything has become black and white. It’s a shame really because none of those things are true of anyone. Fauci’s made plenty of mistakes throughout this process and arguably his hands are dirty (his funding of GoF research likely put us in this mess). But he’s also unquestionably one of the most qualified people in the world to be dealing with this quagmire.
ignatiusjreilly
Footballguy
This virus killed my father-in-law and nearly killed my father. You’re damn right I’m scared of it. The moment I got my first shot — ie, the moment I knew it wouldn’t be the thing that killed me — was probably the greatest feeling of relief I’ve ever experienced
ignatiusjreilly
Footballguy
dkp993
Footballguy
For sure. Everyone should have a healthy fear of this. I got vaxed as soon as I could.
Dollar over duty. "The best scientists do not become administrators. The best scientists do not become coordinators of programs for other scientists in medical schools around the country. The best scientists stay in the labs, they don’t push paper." - Nussbaum
Let's discuss his record, I will start with these beauties:
Fauci said in January what "people need to realize" is that in "all the history" of respiratory-borne viruses, asymptomatic transmission has never been the driver of outbreaks. Ummmm, measles Dr. F?
Fauci called China's lockdown "draconian" and impractical in the US, only to change his tune two weeks later.
Facui said in March, "there is no reason" to wear a mask. By April he changed his tune following along with CDC and a chorus of other doctors.
That's a pretty clueless start to the pandemic. Should we go on?
Leroy Hoard
Footballguy
He’s not beyond criticism, that’s for sure. I put together a list of all the mistakes he made during Covid (wish I could find it) and it was pretty damning. Also, his denials (under oath) about funding GoF research at Wuhan is terrible. He’s using slight twists of words to completely deceive the American public on that. I can forgive mistakes but not lying.
ignatiusjreilly
Footballguy
If they’re ignoring you, they’re not your real friends. Or maybe you’re not their real friends
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GoBirds
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Agreed, the continued masking of children is ridiculous. At this point people have had the opportunity to get vaccinated, it’s time to move forward. It’s ridiculous.
This is the primary reason why making children wear masks is so dumb. Let them spread it. Let them develop anti-bodies naturally since they are at virtually zero risk.
MAC_32
Footballguy
I don't think that's true. The middle just doesn't represent a profitable business model. For-profit media need to choose a target market then produce content that fits their wants. Pragmatic, collaborative, compromising, critical thinking, and reasonable don't generate revenue. We're here. We just occasionally make jokes about the lunacy that exists in both directions of us then head to the next tee.
ignatiusjreilly
Footballguy
Lots of things have annoyed me this past year, but this faux machismo where fear of a deadly virus = weakness and refusal to acknowledge danger = strength has got to be near the top of the list. Trying to imagine if people applied that logic to other dangers: “If you’re scared of drunk drivers, stay home with your O’Douls and let the rest of us enjoy our freedom.”
General Malaise
Footballguy
You know what Tony, you're right. I read into this further today and Fauci has blood on his hands. I didn't know too much GoF Research until today, but this is his fault. He caused this. Full stop. Why? What was in it for him? So sad, a guy a respected and admired is not only responsible for Covid, but lied about his involvement. This sucks. We need to stop keeping lifelong public servants on our payroll and refresh every few years. This is demoralizing for me.
"The best scientists do not become administrators. The best scientists do not become coordinators of programs for other scientists in medical schools around the country. The best scientists stay in the labs, they don’t push paper." - Nussbaum
Let's discuss his record, I will start with these beauties:
Fauci said in January what "people need to realize" is that in "all the history" of respiratory-borne viruses, asymptomatic transmission has never been the driver of outbreaks. Ummmm, measles Dr. F?
Fauci called China's lockdown "draconian" and impractical in the US, only to change his tune two weeks later.
Facui said in March, "there is no reason" to wear a mask. By April he changed his tune following along with CDC and a chorus of other doctors.
That's a pretty clueless start to the pandemic. Should we go on?
Truth is out there....I wish our media wouldn't try so hard to repress it. Again, sorry I said anything - you were right, I was wrong and I am sorry.
Honestly cannot believe this isn't a bigger story. Dr. Fauci is the new Dr. Death.
Former Harvard professor Dr Haseltine suggested today that we should perhaps do what France is doing....you have the right to refuse to get vaccinated in which case you can't go to a restaurant, the movie theater or ride mass transit. He said you have the right to die of Covid, you don't the right to infect others.
If they're vaccinated they're not at significant risk. Them getting infected isn't on me.
I disagree, health officials are still suggesting that unvaccinated wear a mask for a reason. Given the option of being in a room of vaccinated people vs unvaccinated for health reasons I will choose being with the vaccinated all day.
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Not sure what you disagree with. It is not disputable that vaccinated people are not at significant risk of contracting the virus and, if they do, that their symptoms will most likely be mild.
As far as health officials suggesting unvaccinated people wearing a mask, I say that's a very general statement and everyone has an agenda or reason for suggesting whatever they suggest. Fauci had a "reason" when he lied to us and told us NOT to wear masks early on in this pandemic. In Los Angeles, they are currently mandating that people wear masks whether they're vaccinated or not. How is that following the science? I remember when we were just shutting things down so we wouldn't overwhelm the health system. Was supposed to be for a couple of weeks, which turned in to months and then significantly longer than a year and blew up our economy.
But everything is a balancing act and risk/reward. If we all wore masks all the time it would prevent a lot of disease, and not just Covid. If we got rid of cars that would save lots of lives too. The question is always where that balance lies. At this point anyone who wants to can get vaccinated. That seems like a reasonable point to say the rest of us can live our lives as we choose. If someone chooses not to get vaccinated they're accepting the risk that goes along with that decision.
General Malaise
Footballguy
Cannot argue with this. After I read about Fauci and his evil ties to unleasing this virus upon us, we should just reject all science reported to us - usually by FAKE NEWS - and live our best lives.
Bring back smoking in airplanes and restaurants too. Cut out my seatbelts too. Enough of this nanny state, run by socialists and Soros.
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