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I live in the town this kid lives in. He's been doxed on Twitter, and I'm seeing tweets about activists on the way here. Hope it's all smoke.
Yeah, 17 supposedly too. I know he's nearly an adult, but I have to play the game here: Who in the hell let's their 17 year-old kid out the door to go to a counter protest armed with an AR-15? Sweet Jesus.
Too many people are making some extremely dumb decisions, most likely driven by testosterone poisoning. The little short guy who thought it would be fun to get in peoples' faces and demand to be shot, and the kid who thought it would be fun to play wild west vigilante, both learned the hard way that this isn't actually a tabletop RPG or video game.
Open carry is not acting outside the law...using lethal force to defend properties that are not yours I think would get people in some trouble.
I work in Kenosha and have family (brother, sister, mom) that live blocks to miles from where the shooting happened last night. After last night to say I am on edge is saying it lightly. My 18 year old daughter has some grand illusion that she is going to the peaceful march tomorrow, we informed her that will not happen. My sister and her family live blocks from last nights shooting and my brother and his family live blocks from the Monday night fires. It is very depressing seeing all the activity and finding out this is people from other cities.
Again...that depends on who initiates what. Is the guy armed as well...too many circumstances to act as if its just black and white. If I punch a guy...does that give him a right to beat me with a bat?
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All three individuals who were shot last night were in the process of attacking the gunman, I believe all were with weapons. These were self defense shootings.
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Yet the gunman...was he legally carrying...was he there within the law himself? And yeah, all with weapons is a problem...and part of the problem that has now escalated way too far.
Same, stay the eff home. Nothing good comes from any of this. I'm convinced the majority of the protesters/antifa/blm are bored, disaffected people looking for some excitement in their lives. With lockdowns and school not really being in session, the situation is exacerbated that much more. Heck, many of these kids wouldn't be doing this if they simply had normal summer jobs.
The first individual chased the gunman as he ran through a parking lot and threw what looks like an object in a plastic bag (it was not clearly on fire, like Bozeman claimed, and it certainly doesn't explode on contact with the ground like a "molotov cocktail" would as some have claimed he threw). It appears from the live stream video that the gunman is already running through the parking lot with his rifle in his hands before the man shot in the head sees him and chases him. We also hear non-AR gunshots from somewhere nearby shortly after the man threw the object. The gunman then turns and fires 2-3 shots at the man, striking him in the head. The gunman then looped around the parked cars and pulls out a phone to call someone, before running from the scene and and is heard saying "I just killed someone."
Just for some clarifications: the below link has a ton of good photos of the event. In one of the lower pics, the guy who got his arm shredded (I've read since that he had to have that amputated), indeed, is holding a pistol.
He is considered a "fugitive from justice". Kid fled the stated with intent to avoid prosecution.
He has been arrested - as I understand it - in his hometown in Illinois, where he has been assigned a public defender awaiting extradition.
It's totally insane. It's because the law and order types want something done drastic (without touching the union, because the main law and order types love their union) while the defund types won't touch the union (because the main defund types love unions in the abstract).
https://www.ajc.com/news/3-shot-2-fatally-in-tuesday-night-wisconsin-protests/6P36YHUZBRCJTDAU3L45AJGC74/
This..most of the night time protesters don`t give a dam about George Floyd. Look at some of the ones who were arrested, many have been arrested 7-8 times before. This is just another rodeo for them..and one that is easier to wreck havoc without getting caught.
I actually think "we" collectively, know enough of the basic facts.
Well, his social media presence seems to indicate that he's been espousing white supremacist ideas publicly for quite a while.
Good to hear, I had read that he was considered a fugitive, but that may have been at the time of the charges.
I'm no attorney, but doesn't look like 1st degree to me. Which is why I'm thinking there is more to the story than the video.
It's extremely difficult to tell what happened with the first guy who got shot. I'm assuming that this charge is based on some information investigators have about that event that isn't clear on the video. Either that or it's just an over-charge.
I think this is a pretty good question.
You appear to be operating with incomplete info and are thus making fallacious assumptions.
Clearly struck the shooter with the skateboard.
Wounded man with pistol in hand.
There is 0% Chance a 1st degree murder charge sticks with a good jury in Wisconsin... and I'm happy to take anyones money who wishes to assert so.
It was white on white crime. Get over yourself dude.
I think there are several things in play here:There is 0% Chance a 1st degree murder charge sticks with a good jury in Wisconsin... and I'm happy to take anyones money who wishes to assert so.
1) He was reckless / dumb to travel from out of town and open carry with a rifle.
2) He never shot anyone that wasn't attacking him. We have zero evidence of him initiating violence (if you have it please feel free to share the link).
A successful self defense plea is pretty clearly in play here.
Fair enough...and now it seems the 17 year old came on from Illinois...does that change things to anyone? Does not appear he was there to protect his neighborhood or store.
His social media accounts have recently gone private/disabled.It was white on white crime. Get over yourself dude.
Also do you have any links to proof the kid was a white supremacist? I have seen posts supporting police (he was a police cadet at one point), but haven't seen any actual white supremacist stuff. (not saying there isn't, just that I hadn't seen it... and am asking for links).
Unless someone wants to draw a parallel that supporting law enforcement is akin to white supremacy... then I can laugh directly in their face.
I'm no lawyer however I am more well versed on gun law that many folks due to being an active 2A advocate and gun owner.
Okay so you CAN'T provide links showing he was a white supremacist.
Not really. There has to be an actual charge to make the arrest.
Just wondering - what would you be accomplishing by standing outside a business you have no connection to with a gun during what everybody probably could correctly guess is going to escalate to vandalism+?I strongly disagree
I assume 10 in the context of who is wrong in this specific scenario, not as is 10= wrong as in murder or something.
No... no they don't.
If a woman wears a revealing outfit to a nightclub and gets drunk, did she incite the rapist?
They need to extradite a suspect from another state - they needed to file a charge.
Gotcha!
