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I don’t think that there’s really an issue with having 2 vaccines, especially if one is the J&J, rather it’s an issue because it’s taking away from someone else that needs a vaccine at all and also because you shouldn’t be taking multiple vaccines at the same time.

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I'm finally eligible Thursday and snagged an appointment for 9:36 a.m. that morning for a Moderna shot #1.  At the place I'm going, they are scheduled every six minutes!  Sigh of relief that the end o

Sounds like my wife on our honeymoon 

So I was conducting a job interview today.  I flat out asked if they had been able to schedule their vaccine.  The response was that they weren't because they didn't want to alter their DNA.  I was le

55 minutes ago, GroveDiesel said:

I don’t think that there’s really an issue with having 2 vaccines, especially if one is the J&J, rather it’s an issue because it’s taking away from someone else that needs a vaccine at all and also because you shouldn’t be taking multiple vaccines at the same time.

Wrong thing to do in every possible way.

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The whole multiple different vaccines thing is being tested by some of these companies to see if that increases effectiveness.  AstraZeneca is being tested with adding Sputnik V.  But that is a controlled trial done by researchers.  It's not something that people should try on their own authority.  I mean really people, did that need to be said?  Seems so obviously dangerous to roll your own.

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Got my 2nd Moderna yesterday. My arm is still sore, I was slightly more achy than usual when I woke up this morning (this has gone away) and I've been more tired than usual, but that's it. My wife, however, has a headache and is very tired. 

I took yesterday and today off work. 

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On 3/17/2021 at 2:15 PM, TLEF316 said:

On the list in NJ but they're still limiting it to seniors and those with preexisting conditions (including smokers....). I'm 37 and healthy, so I think its still gonna be a while. At this point, I just want to able to take some trips to golf/see out of state friends (guilt free)

My dad (71) has had both shots, as has my 96 year old grandmother (in a memory care facility. Bad Alzheimers).

My mom is 64 (divorced from my dad) and should be able to get the shot soon. But she's saying she's not going to. While not a full blown Qanon person (as far as I know)  she's been sucked down the far right social media rabbit hole a little bit.  She was a Trump supporter and was convinced that Biden "had been officially diagnosed with dementia"  so there's some craziness going on there.

At this point, I think the only chance she gets it is if my grandma's facility says only vaccinated family members can visit. She hasn't seen her in person in over a year now and its been really upsetting for her. She's been pressing them for an answer on that, but isn't getting anywhere.  She's already been exposed 3 separate times (her office opened up back in the fall for some reason so she's had 1st or 2nd hand contact with people who tested positive, requiring an emergency test each time...) so you'd think she'd want to just get it over with. But someone on youtube said something silly, so she's not.

Whatever.

 

 

Aaaaaaaaand my mom tested positive for COVID this morning.  May have caught out at dinner last weekend. She went house shopping this past weekend and had been in her office again (they re-opened yet again after their 3rd scare) so who knows how many people she maybe exposed.

Who knows if she could have swung a vaccine if she tried (64, but no underlying conditions) but obviously that's mostly a moot point now.

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1 minute ago, moleculo said:

Pfizer #2 is now coursing through my veins, killing stray COVID virus as it goes.

Fellas, it's a new day!

How's your wifi coverage?

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31 minutes ago, IvanKaramazov said:

Say hi to Gates for me.

@moleculo as you know him is no more.  He's now essentially a dumb terminal under the control of the master server.

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Yesterday I got a text message from Beth Israel Lahey Health, an organization with which I don't think I have ever been a patient.  I have no idea how they got my cell number, but the text was addressed to me by name and invited me to make an appointment for a COVID shot.  They supplied a link.  I clicked on their link and very easily booked an appointment for my shot for tomorrow at 3:30pm.  If it goes as easily tomorrow when I go for the shot as it did in making the appointment, I'll be impressed.  

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12 minutes ago, johnnycakes said:

Yesterday I got a text message from Beth Israel Lahey Health, an organization with which I don't think I have ever been a patient.  I have no idea how they got my cell number,

congrats man, this is a club where you must be asked to join ...  :lmao:

we sacrifice the weak, so that the strong may live.  

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30 minutes ago, johnnycakes said:

Yesterday I got a text message from Beth Israel Lahey Health, an organization with which I don't think I have ever been a patient.  I have no idea how they got my cell number, but the text was addressed to me by name and invited me to make an appointment for a COVID shot.  They supplied a link.  I clicked on their link and very easily booked an appointment for my shot for tomorrow at 3:30pm.  If it goes as easily tomorrow when I go for the shot as it did in making the appointment, I'll be impressed.  

Be sure you have both kidneys if you wake up in an ice bath.

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2 hours ago, cap'n grunge said:

16 year old has theirs scheduled for Saturday.

 

19 minutes ago, gruecd said:

Wisconsin making the vaccine available to anyone 16+ starting next Monday 

So jealous. My kids want it badly. :(

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33 minutes ago, Joe Mammy said:

For those with two modernas- do you have an arm choice on #2? My #1 was on lefty and I’d prefer #2 on lefty also. Going tomorrow.

Want gorilla arm righty ready for pickleball.

#1 was in left arm.

Going to try to stay on that with #2 in 3 weeks.

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My wife got in on an earlier group and has her second scheduled the day after Easter. I tried to get a slot yesterday when they opened up the state and it was a digital madhouse. I somehow lucked into a spot an hour or so away for first shot tomorrow. Had to help my 70+ yo mother figure out the chaos as well or she’d never find one. 

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My wife’s friend is a full blown conspiracy theorist and also an AP math teacher somehow. She is basically going to lie if the district requires vaccination of teachers.
 

We need more information on vaccines for children prior to the fall. My kids are 6 and 4, so probably not going to be approved until 2022, if ever, it seems. Scary that those responsible for the safety of our children when away from home may take a stance like this “friend” of my wife. 

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12 minutes ago, Leeroy Jenkins said:

We need more information on vaccines for children prior to the fall. My kids are 6 and 4, so probably not going to be approved until 2022, if ever, it seems. Scary that those responsible for the safety of our children when away from home may take a stance like this “friend” of my wife. 

I've been perusing information about when my 14-year-old might be able to get vaccinated. I really need to compile sources and get the information organized ... but from what I've informally gathered so far, I'm expecting that my son will have to wait roughly six months more.

Right now (see links above), there are concurrent ongoing Phase 3 trials for both younger teens (both Moderna and Pfizer are testing 12- to 17-year-olds) and for younger kids (Moderna is also testing 6 months old to 11-year-olds). Judging by how long it took for last year's Phase 3 trials of U.S. adults (e.g. Moderna started recruiting in May/June, got their EUA from the FDA in December), six months seems like a good guesstimate. I am hoping it can be a bit faster, even ... just not counting on it.

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8 hours ago, Doug B said:

I've been perusing information about when my 14-year-old might be able to get vaccinated. I really need to compile sources and get the information organized ... but from what I've informally gathered so far, I'm expecting that my son will have to wait roughly six months more.

Right now (see links above), there are concurrent ongoing Phase 3 trials for both younger teens (both Moderna and Pfizer are testing 12- to 17-year-olds) and for younger kids (Moderna is also testing 6 months old to 11-year-olds). Judging by how long it took for last year's Phase 3 trials of U.S. adults (e.g. Moderna started recruiting in May/June, got their EUA from the FDA in December), six months seems like a good guesstimate. I am hoping it can be a bit faster, even ... just not counting on it.

https://www.cbsnews.com/news/pfizer-covid-19-vaccine-found-safe-and-100-effective-in-12-15-year-olds-the-company-says/

 

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7 minutes ago, jobarules said:

I just don't see the point of vaccinating my child. Even in the study, only 18 kids who got the placebo got Covid.

yeah, thats the problem with studying effectiveness on kids.  The rate that the control group catches it is much smaller and therefore it's difficult to see a difference in the treatment.  That means, you have to have a huge sample size and it probably takes much longer.

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Yesterday was a little rough after getting Pfizer #2 on Monday.  However today I seem to be feeling much better.  

One notable side effect.  My lymph node under my left arm, same arm I got the shot in, is very swollen and tender.  I didn't notice it until putting on deo this morning.  That kinda smarted.  According to my google skills this is a normal side effect and I should let my doctors know if I go for a mammogram soon.  

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8 hours ago, Doug B said:

I've been perusing information about when my 14-year-old might be able to get vaccinated. I really need to compile sources and get the information organized ... but from what I've informally gathered so far, I'm expecting that my son will have to wait roughly six months more.

Right now (see links above), there are concurrent ongoing Phase 3 trials for both younger teens (both Moderna and Pfizer are testing 12- to 17-year-olds) and for younger kids (Moderna is also testing 6 months old to 11-year-olds). Judging by how long it took for last year's Phase 3 trials of U.S. adults (e.g. Moderna started recruiting in May/June, got their EUA from the FDA in December), six months seems like a good guesstimate. I am hoping it can be a bit faster, even ... just not counting on it.

my understanding is that they started the trials several months ago.  I'm expecting them to roll out vaccine approval to the 12-16 age group before school starts in the fall - July/August time frame.

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20 minutes ago, jobarules said:

I just don't see the point of vaccinating my child. Even in the study, only 18 kids who got the placebo got Covid.

We've had 50 in our school :shrug:

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11 minutes ago, jobarules said:

I just don't see the point of vaccinating my child. Even in the study, only 18 kids who got the placebo got Covid.

One other point on why we want to vaccinate children: there is no way we can get to herd immunity without including kids.  herd immunity is when there are so many people vaccinated that probability dictates that the virus cannot spread and it eventually dies out.  for COVID, estimates are we need ~70% minimum.

Herd immunity is what we will use to protect those who either refuse the vaccine, those who cannot take it for medical/religious reasons, or for the very small population for whom it will not work (i.e. no vaccine is 100% effective). 

A quick google search shows 22% of US population is under 18 - to get to 70% of the population, we would need 90% of everyone else.  Because anti-vaxxers exist, I'm not sure that's possible.

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4 minutes ago, moleculo said:

One other point on why we want to vaccinate children: there is no way we can get to herd immunity without including kids.  herd immunity is when there are so many people vaccinated that probability dictates that the virus cannot spread and it eventually dies out.  for COVID, estimates are we need ~70% minimum.

Herd immunity is what we will use to protect those who either refuse the vaccine, those who cannot take it for medical/religious reasons, or for the very small population for whom it will not work (i.e. no vaccine is 100% effective). 

A quick google search shows 22% of US population is under 18 - to get to 70% of the population, we would need 90% of everyone else.  Because anti-vaxxers exist, I'm not sure that's possible.

Why do we have to get to herd immunity? That seems like an unrealistic goal. We don't get to herd immunity for the flu. I get this is not justaflu but still, it seems like we are going to be living with covid as an endemic. Adults get vaccinated, get boosters once a year, some will die, we live life. 

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4 minutes ago, jobarules said:

Why do we have to get to herd immunity? That seems like an unrealistic goal. We don't get to herd immunity for the flu. I get this is not justaflu but still, it seems like we are going to be living with covid as an endemic. Adults get vaccinated, get boosters once a year, some will die, we live life. 

See paragraph two of what you quoted

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Your own acknowledgment that this isn’t the flu.  It is much more deadly.

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59 minutes ago, The Z Machine said:

Amazing how well these vaccines work.  mRNA vaccines might be the future for the treatment of a lot of viruses.

100% they are, so long as they can code the right effective protein(s).

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2 minutes ago, Alex P Keaton said:

See paragraph two of what you quoted

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Your own acknowledgment that this isn’t the flu.  It is much more deadly.

yup - there is some percentage of the population that will not get vaccinated - anti-vaxxers, religious exemptions, people with medical conditions that prevent the vaccine, but also the population that simply falls through the cracks for various reasons - the homeless, migrant workers, etc.

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13 minutes ago, jobarules said:

Why do we have to get to herd immunity? That seems like an unrealistic goal. We don't get to herd immunity for the flu. I get this is not justaflu but still, it seems like we are going to be living with covid as an endemic. Adults get vaccinated, get boosters once a year, some will die, we live life. 

Or we could have the virus die out

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24 minutes ago, belljr said:

We've had 50 in our school :shrug:

My district "re-opened" last week.  The week prior, a student teacher was positive.  Then apparently a child tested positive after day 1 of everyone being back non-hybrid.  Kids will get and carry this thing.  So far we are lucky that the vast majority of children seem to not get severe illness.  Some do though. And then there are the long-hauler unknowns. 

I can't recall if I posted this here or elsewhere, but a colleague of mine's parents got COVID from their grandchild -- the grandmother was babysitting while parents were out of town, and during that time period, the kid's school was closed due to an outbreak.  Grandmother then brought it home to grandfather.

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1 minute ago, Leeroy Jenkins said:

My district "re-opened" last week.  The week prior, a student teacher was positive.  Then apparently a child tested positive after day 1 of everyone being back non-hybrid.  Kids will get and carry this thing.  So far we are lucky that the vast majority of children seem to not get severe illness.  Some do though. And then there are the long-hauler unknowns. 

I can't recall if I posted this here or elsewhere, but a colleague of mine's parents got COVID from their grandchild -- the grandmother was babysitting while parents were out of town, and during that time period, the kid's school was closed due to an outbreak.  Grandmother then brought it home to grandfather.

We've been hybrid since the beginning not sure when we shifted full time.  Granted most of the case were contracted out side of school with then it passing on to one or 2 other students per case.  But its bound to happen with so many kids.     

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With as many people not taking the vaccine I think herd immunity is unlikely. Heck, if 50% of frontline healthcare workers aren’t getting it, that’s a bad sign. I know plenty of people who have bought into any bit of uncertainty and have decided not to get it. Many in their 20s saying they’re not getting it because of the rumored fertility issues and lots of parents of teens/kids I know have said they won’t let their child get it for the same reason. Throw in all the other groups that can’t/won’t get it and I think 70% is more hope than anything.

And even if we can get to 70% in the US, what are the odds the rest of the world could get there within the next few years? The logistics alone make it tough. But large parts of Europe are even more anti-vax than the US.

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1 hour ago, moleculo said:

my understanding is that they started the trials several months ago.

What phase? And which age group?

I know Moderna’s Phase 3 for 6 mo - 11 years started on March 16th.

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1 minute ago, Doug B said:

What phase? And which age group?

I know Moderna’s Phase 3 for 6 mo - 11 years started on March 16th.

pfizer.  I don't recall where I read that.  I was looking into this a couple of weeks ago.

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1 minute ago, moleculo said:

pfizer.  I don't recall where I read that.  I was looking into this a couple of weeks ago.

Pfizer released data today that it is 100% effective and tolerated in adolescents 12-15 years old.

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36 minutes ago, GroveDiesel said:

With as many people not taking the vaccine I think herd immunity is unlikely. Heck, if 50% of frontline healthcare workers aren’t getting it, that’s a bad sign. I know plenty of people who have bought into any bit of uncertainty and have decided not to get it. Many in their 20s saying they’re not getting it because of the rumored fertility issues and lots of parents of teens/kids I know have said they won’t let their child get it for the same reason. Throw in all the other groups that can’t/won’t get it and I think 70% is more hope than anything.

And even if we can get to 70% in the US, what are the odds the rest of the world could get there within the next few years? The logistics alone make it tough. But large parts of Europe are even more anti-vax than the US.

Colleges are starting to require the vaccine for students for the fall.  Rutgers is the first domino.  

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11 minutes ago, jobarules said:

Not for kids

And what happens when COVID runs through a school and lots of kids get infected and bring that infection home to parents and grandparents?  What if some of those people cannot get a vaccine for medical reasons, or the vaccine the person was given did not give effective protection?  Why put those older people at necessary risk if the vaccine is proven to be safe and effective for children?

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1 minute ago, The Z Machine said:

And what happens when COVID runs through a school and lots of kids get infected and bring that infection home to parents and grandparents?  What if some of those people cannot get a vaccine for medical reasons, or the vaccine the person was given did not give effective protection?  Why put those older people at necessary risk if the vaccine is proven to be safe and effective for children?

Huh? You're talking about a very small % of people who cannot get the vaccine and the vaccine does provide effective protection 

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