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1 hour ago, dawgtrails said:

If either of Clinton or Obama lost the house, the senate, and the presidency we would not have seen a gold statue of them being wheeled around at some socialism for America conference in San Francisco

Nor would they be called Father.

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Anybody saying this isn't news is arguing, again, like most of the Trump supporters have done for four years, in bad faith. The former president just called the head of the party he still seeks to inf

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I'd say this is a fissure, at least. Very rare to hear the top ranking members of a party speak about each other that way. Buckle up. We're going for the soul of the party with two soulless men fighti

Just now, sho nuff said:

Nor would they be called Father.

I mean technically, Chelsea, Malia and Sasha might refer to their dads as such, but that’s only if we want to get technical.

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4 hours ago, dawgtrails said:

If either of Clinton or Obama lost the house, the senate, and the presidency we would not have seen a gold statue of them being wheeled around at some socialism for America conference in San Francisco

True, they just no fun.

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1 hour ago, Sea Duck said:

But a Trump advisor told the outlet: “President Trump remains committed to the Republican Party and electing America First conservatives, but that doesn’t give anyone, friend or foe, permission to use his likeness without explicit approval.”

 

Seems reasonable. :shrug: The only odd part of the story to me is that some Rs who wanted to impeach him also want to fundraise off his name and image.

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3 minutes ago, NorvilleBarnes said:
1 hour ago, Sea Duck said:

But a Trump advisor told the outlet: “President Trump remains committed to the Republican Party and electing America First conservatives, but that doesn’t give anyone, friend or foe, permission to use his likeness without explicit approval.”

 

Seems reasonable. :shrug: The only odd part of the story to me is that some Rs who wanted to impeach him also want to fundraise off his name and image.

The bolded part is not mentioned in the linked story. Got a link for that claim?

The story in the Independent does say "Mr Trump was enraged that his name and likeness had been used to raise money for organisations that would then help reelect Republican members of Congress who voted to impeach him."

However, I'm sure that you are aware that "...organisations that would help Republicans..." is not the same thing as "...Rs who wanted to impeach him...".

It seems hasty to assume that someone like Mitt Romney would "want" to use Trump's name and image for fundraising.

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16 minutes ago, NorvilleBarnes said:
1 hour ago, Sea Duck said:

But a Trump advisor told the outlet: “President Trump remains committed to the Republican Party and electing America First conservatives, but that doesn’t give anyone, friend or foe, permission to use his likeness without explicit approval.”

 

Seems reasonable. :shrug: The only odd part of the story to me is that some Rs who wanted to impeach him also want to fundraise off his name and image.

The bolded part is not mentioned in the linked story. Got a link for that claim?

The story in the Independent does say "Mr Trump was enraged that his name and likeness had been used to raise money for organisations that would then help reelect Republican members of Congress who voted to impeach him."

However, I'm sure that you are aware that "...organisations that would help Republicans..." is not the same thing as "...Rs who wanted to impeach him...".

It seems hasty to assume that someone like Mitt Romney would "want" to use Trump's name and image for fundraising.

The bolded part of your quote is the only odd part of the story to me.

“President Trump remains committed to the Republican Party and electing America First conservatives, but that doesn’t give anyone, friend or foe, permission to use his likeness without explicit approval.” is not odd (or newsworthy) to me.

 

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27 minutes ago, NorvilleBarnes said:

The bolded part of your quote is the only odd part of the story to me.

“President Trump remains committed to the Republican Party and electing America First conservatives, but that doesn’t give anyone, friend or foe, permission to use his likeness without explicit approval.” is not odd (or newsworthy) to me.

Well, it seems to me that the RNC is obligated to support every Republican running for national office. Otherwise, the party's entire "big tent" talking point would become a source of mockery and derision from the other side, thus causing even more damage than if they just pretended that the impeachment votes didn't happen.

I do suppose, however, that it would have been prudent for the RNC to use better phrasing when invoking Trump's name. Perhaps they will add a disclaimer to each Trump-related fundraiser, noting that the money from that specific fundraiser will go to "Republicans who support Trump" (instead of just going to "Republicans"). That idea assumes, of course, that Mr. Trump is properly compensated for using his name and likeness.

If so, then they'd probably also need to separate the finances into two categories ("Impeached Trump" and "Didn't Impeach Trump") to ensure that the pro-impeachment Republicans won't get any Trump-related funds -- although I'd surmise that a third category might also need to be created, to account for all of the Republicans who didn't vote for impeachment, but still drew Trump's ire for one reason or another. I doubt the former President would like for his name and/or likeness to be used to support those people.

The entire endeavor would not be an easy undertaking, and it still wouldn't guarantee that the party would escape mockery from the other side. But in terms of cutting their losses, it's probably the best path.

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Maybe this iteration of the party will actually consume itself, and we can get a new group that’s actually concerned about small governing, fiscal responsibility, and maybe has some actual ideas for a change.

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1 hour ago, Sea Duck said:

Well, it seems to me that the RNC is obligated to support every Republican running for national office. Otherwise, the party's entire "big tent" talking point would become a source of mockery and derision from the other side, thus causing even more damage than if they just pretended that the impeachment votes didn't happen.

I do suppose, however, that it would have been prudent for the RNC to use better phrasing when invoking Trump's name. Perhaps they will add a disclaimer to each Trump-related fundraiser, noting that the money from that specific fundraiser will go to "Republicans who support Trump" (instead of just going to "Republicans"). That idea assumes, of course, that Mr. Trump is properly compensated for using his name and likeness.

If so, then they'd probably also need to separate the finances into two categories ("Impeached Trump" and "Didn't Impeach Trump") to ensure that the pro-impeachment Republicans won't get any Trump-related funds -- although I'd surmise that a third category might also need to be created, to account for all of the Republicans who didn't vote for impeachment, but still drew Trump's ire for one reason or another. I doubt the former President would like for his name and/or likeness to be used to support those people.

The entire endeavor would not be an easy undertaking, and it still wouldn't guarantee that the party would escape mockery from the other side. But in terms of cutting their losses, it's probably the best path.

Wow. Or they could, you know, just use his name and image when they have permission just like everyone else.

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3 hours ago, massraider said:

Most recent GOP president prohibits GOP from using his likeness to fundraise. 

That's newsworthy. 

Because he wants to fundraise and control the money.

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It’s exceedingly rare when I’m forced to side with Donald Trump- but in this case I do. 
Over the last 5 years the RNC has made a TON of money off of Trump- money that they never have would raised if he wasn’t there. The attraction is him- none of the other names in conservative or Republican circles has ever had Trump’s money raising powers- there’s not even a close second. And they’re continuing to use his name for their own purposes. If he disapproves of something they’re doing, I think he has every right to put a stop to it. 

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31 minutes ago, timschochet said:

It’s exceedingly rare when I’m forced to side with Donald Trump- but in this case I do. 
Over the last 5 years the RNC has made a TON of money off of Trump- money that they never have would raised if he wasn’t there. The attraction is him- none of the other names in conservative or Republican circles has ever had Trump’s money raising powers- there’s not even a close second. And they’re continuing to use his name for their own purposes. If he disapproves of something they’re doing, I think he has every right to put a stop to it. 

Whether or not he has the right, that has nothing to do with the price of tea  China.

This isn't, "How dare Donald Trump take back his name?!"  I couldn't care less. 

The newsworthy part is Trump positioning himself to control a sizable amount of their fundraising. 

The GOP is not only Trump. There will be candidates relying on money from the party's fundraising arm. Candidates that Trump couldn't care less about. Candidates that can help control the House, or state Senates. 

Maybe he's more generous than I'm giving him credit for. 

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ummmmm.......maybe the "war" isn't over yet??   :oldunsure:

 

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"I hope there's support for getting working people a fair shot. Most Americans — they don't want to be taken care of. They would like a fair shot though — to be able to get a job, be able to raise their family," Sen. Josh Hawley, R-Mo., said.

 

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Trump's email blast yesterday asked for donations to his PAC and not the RNC.

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On 3/6/2021 at 4:58 PM, sho nuff said:

Because he wants to fundraise and control the money.

 

32 minutes ago, joffer said:

Trump's email blast yesterday asked for donations to his PAC and not the RNC.

Yeah...he has been doing that for sometime with the attempts and changing the election too.  Trying to fund his defense/efforts vs what the party would do.

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On 3/6/2021 at 5:52 PM, Leroy Hoard said:

For those concerned about the modern GOP,  don't worry Father Trump will fix everything.

Yeah, you probably shouldn't be saying stuff like this with Joe Biden at the top of your ticket.  Dude couldn't fix anything for the 50 years he was in Congress.

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On 3/6/2021 at 6:52 PM, Leroy Hoard said:

For those concerned about the modern GOP,  don't worry Father Trump will fix everything.

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I trust Father Trump and you should too

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1 hour ago, BladeRunner said:

Yeah, you probably shouldn't be saying stuff like this with Joe Biden at the top of your ticket.  Dude couldn't fix anything for the 50 years he was in Congress.

We aren’t the greatest nation? :kicksrock:

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