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Wow. A bunch of people die from a madman with a gun, but hey, it's only about the same amount that have died from lightning, so no biggie holy ####

Mass shootings affect a far larger number of people than just those that are actually injured and killed. It traumatizes everyone present. It traumatizes first responders who are involved. It traumati

1 hour ago you were posting this.   Had to get that zinger in there first, then post a shot at me, but yeah turn it on me and make it seem like I don't care about people losing their lives.  It's a gi

1 minute ago, tonydead said:

MSNBC and CNN? 

I'll be taking bets this has zero to do with the vaccine just based on previous track record alone. 

Yep.  They should wait atleast 3 days until they have all the facts before reporting on what an eyewitness tells them.  

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25 minutes ago, ekbeats said:

No effect?  That’s laughable.  The gun I wanted to buy in July was sold out and not available until November.  And the gun I really wanted to buy - an AR-15 - can’t even be purchased anymore in my state.  9mm rounds have more than doubled in price from last Summer.  When I tried to buy some locally they were sold out entirely in my county.  

So that happened as a result of a mass shooting?  The current ammo shortage is a purposeful result of manufacturers shorting supply. It’s nationwide and has nothing to do with state legislation.

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3 minutes ago, Chaz McNulty said:

Yep.  They should wait atleast 3 days until they have all the facts before reporting on what an eyewitness tells them.  

Is that a bet?

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1 minute ago, Chaz McNulty said:

Yep.  They should wait atleast 3 days until they have all the facts before reporting on what an eyewitness tells them.  

..and maybe we should do similar?  We can't give it a couple hours without it turning into a pissing contest about media sites and who might be right about motivations.   

My hearts go out to the families who lost loved ones today.   Time to step away from the thread for the night.  

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3 minutes ago, tonydead said:

It couldnt have "started" in the pharmacy. People were shot outside the store. 

Geezus dude. It's a direct quote from a grandfather reporting what his son told him. Reported verbatim by the news site. Maybe he meant "that where it started for them."

Don't create a problem where there isn't one.

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6 minutes ago, Stoneworker said:

Geezus dude. It's a direct quote from a grandfather reporting what his son told him. Reported verbatim by the news site. Maybe he meant "that where it started for them."

Don't create a problem where there isn't one.

Problem?

Several people posting that from CNN and social media that people may have been targeted beczuse of getting a vaccine.  That's creating a problem where there is none. 

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2 minutes ago, the rover said:

So that happened as a result of a mass shooting?  The current ammo shortage is a purposeful result of manufacturers shorting supply. It’s nationwide and has nothing to do with state legislation.

Link?

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8 minutes ago, tonydead said:

Problem?

Several people posting that from CNN and social media that people may have been targeted beczuse of getting a vaccine.  That's creating a problem where there is none. 

Agree that prematurely speculating on motive is a huge problem. Carry on.

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3 minutes ago, Stoneworker said:

Agree that prematurely speculating on motive is a huge problem. Carry on.

I wasn't trying to speculate on motive with my question FWIW. Just have been busy and was curious if it was still being reported.

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8 minutes ago, Desert_Power said:

I wasn't trying to speculate on motive with my question FWIW. Just have been busy and was curious if it was still being reported.

Not you, the Bif guy likes to post without thinking. 

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1 minute ago, Desert_Power said:

I wasn't trying to speculate on motive with my question FWIW. Just have been busy and was curious if it was still being reported.

All good. It's a tense time. I'm somewhat local so was merely attempting to provide facts and wasn't aware of social media conjecture going on. 

Apologies to @tonydead if I came across somewhat terse.

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Mass shootings affect a far larger number of people than just those that are actually injured and killed. It traumatizes everyone present. It traumatizes first responders who are involved. It traumatizes communities. It traumatizes children that have to go through shooting drills in schools. 

Lightning strikes don't have similar wide reaching effects.

Plus, there's little to prevent current number of lightning strike deaths. Same can't be said for mass shootings. Other countries have figured out ways to significantly decrease the number of them that we haven't been able to here in the US.

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9 minutes ago, ekbeats said:

Link?

Demand is up 139% compared to this time last year.  Manufacturing is down across the board.  It has nothing to do with legislation.  Go do your own research.  Maybe you’ll stop spreading rumors and false information.

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Don Lemon going all-in on the political angle, interviewing all Democratic anti-gun people. Haven’t heard one Republican politician interviewed.  Rep. Joe Neguse saying that Americans “can’t even go grocery shopping anymore.  It’s time to act - now” Don Lemon responding, “Americans aren’t safe, and this is exhibit one.”  Imagine them talking about lightning strikes this way.  News porn meets political porn.  And meanwhile on Fox Sean Hannity is scaring the #### out of Americans that we are being overrun by hoards of illegals.  The sad thing is that the bulk of Americans in this country formulate their ideas of what constitutes good political policy based on this crap.

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2 minutes ago, ekbeats said:

Don Lemon going all-in on the political angle, interviewing all Democratic anti-gun people. Haven’t heard one Republican politician interviewed.  Rep. Joe Neguse saying that Americans “can’t even go grocery shopping anymore.  It’s time to act - now” Don Lemon responding, “Americans aren’t safe, and this is exhibit one.”  Imagine them talking about lightning strikes this way.  News porn meets political porn.  And meanwhile on Fox Sean Hannity is scaring the #### out of Americans that we are being overrun by birds of illegals.  The sad thing is that the bulk of Americans in this country formulate their ideas of what constitutes good political policy based on this crap.

No surprise at all, this is what the prime time guys on those stations live for.

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9 minutes ago, tonydead said:

*Speculation Alert*

Another one where were it could have been much worse, imo, crowded store. Got to think that officer probably had something to do with it. 

Seeing as the perp had an apparent leg wound my guess is that the officer probably shot him in the leg.  I tell you one thing, if AR-15’s are going to be legal then every officer should have one in the trunk of their cruisers.

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2 minutes ago, Bottomfeeder Sports said:

Why?  (I am not disagreeing just wondering why it is a need?)

Too far from responders.  About 4 years ago I had a medical emergency in the middle of the night.  I called 911 and it was a good 20 minutes before an officer got to my house.  I had lived in highly populated areas my whole life and it wasn’t until I moved to the sticks that I truly understood the need for a gun.  It’s scary being out here in the middle of nowhere.  If I screamed no one would hear me.  And a cop once told me that this is the exact thing that makes my house an attractive target.

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6 minutes ago, ekbeats said:

Too far from responders.  About 4 years ago I had a medical emergency in the middle of the night.  I called 911 and it was a good 20 minutes before an officer got to my house.  I had lived in highly populated areas my whole life and it wasn’t until I moved to the sticks that I truly understood the need for a gun.  It’s scary being out here in the middle of nowhere.  If I screamed no one would hear me.  And a cop once told me that this is the exact thing that makes my house an attractive target.

Let me be honest.  When you posted this I figured that this was silly.   That there was almost no crime in such places to worry about.   Then I Googled and learned that apparently the violent crime rates are higher in rural than urban America.  And while it is going down everywhere else (at least in aggregate) it is going up in rural America.    Stay safe!

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1 hour ago, ekbeats said:

 And the gun I really wanted to buy - an AR-15 

You said you needed a gun because you live in a rural area. And I have no problem with that. If you lived in an urban area I wouldn’t have a problem with it either: it’s your right, and so long as you’re not a criminal it’s none of my business. 

But- I don’t think you need an AR-15. I don’t think anyone needs a weapon like this, and I believe that for the good of society these weapons should be banned. They’re too dangerous for private citizens to own. If we decide to ban them, we’re not interfering in your Second Amendment rights. 

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15 minutes ago, timschochet said:

You said you needed a gun because you live in a rural area. And I have no problem with that. If you lived in an urban area I wouldn’t have a problem with it either: it’s your right, and so long as you’re not a criminal it’s none of my business. 

But- I don’t think you need an AR-15. I don’t think anyone needs a weapon like this, and I believe that for the good of society these weapons should be banned. They’re too dangerous for private citizens to own. If we decide to ban them, we’re not interfering in your Second Amendment rights. 

I understand your point and I go back and forth on it myself.  The part of me that wants an AR-15 is the part that believes in the 2A protection against government tyranny or civil war.  I never in my life imagined thinking that was remotely possible, but the last 4 years have made me realize it’s not completely unreasonable that such a thing could happen in this country.  But to be honest I don’t feel that strongly about it.

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“And I have to tell you the heroic action of this officer when he responded to the scene. At 1430 hours, the Border Police Department began receiving phone calls of shots fired in the area,” the chief continued. “A phone call about a possible person with a patrol rifle. Officer Talley responded to the scene, was first on the scene, and he was fatally shot.”

HERO

Speculation below:

I'm guessing this guy didn't wait for backup, for SWAT to arrive. The video shows a guy in handcuffs, wounded and bleeding.  He took on fire away from other possible victims. May have stopped him.  Cant put a price on guys like this. First responders and police departments should be fully funded. 

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1 hour ago, ekbeats said:

I understand your point and I go back and forth on it myself.  The part of me that wants an AR-15 is the part that believes in the 2A protection against government tyranny or civil war.  I never in my life imagined thinking that was remotely possible, but the last 4 years have made me realize it’s not completely unreasonable that such a thing could happen in this country.  But to be honest I don’t feel that strongly about it.

An AR-15 will not protect you from either government tyranny or a civil war. In fact if either of those extremely  remote possibilities actually occur, you’re much more likely to die for possessing such a weapon than it saving your life.

On the other, it might protect you, for a while, from the zombie apocalypse. 

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4 hours ago, ekbeats said:

Honest response and I appreciate that.  I used to be dead set against guns until I moved to a very rural area. Out here you have to own a gun.

What a sad reality that must be.  Must own a gun to feel “safe”.  

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6 hours ago, timschochet said:

You said you needed a gun because you live in a rural area. And I have no problem with that. If you lived in an urban area I wouldn’t have a problem with it either: it’s your right, and so long as you’re not a criminal it’s none of my business. 

But- I don’t think you need an AR-15. I don’t think anyone needs a weapon like this, and I believe that for the good of society these weapons should be banned. They’re too dangerous for private citizens to own. If we decide to ban them, we’re not interfering in your Second Amendment rights. 

Instead of trying to force your beliefs on everyone else, you should adopt the bolded thinking in just about everything...including my choice of weapons.....try it.

I choose to own a handgun to protect my family.

I choose to own an M4 to protect my handgun.
(and yes...it is a hill to die on)

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4 hours ago, timschochet said:

An AR-15 will not protect you from either government tyranny or a civil war. In fact if either of those extremely  remote possibilities actually occur, you’re much more likely to die for possessing such a weapon than it saving your life.

On the other, it might protect you, for a while, from the zombie apocalypse. 

There were people just like you at Concord....I'm sure.
I'm am also sure that in the case of government tyranny....people like you will fall right in line.

God save the King!

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8 hours ago, ekbeats said:

Too far from responders.  About 4 years ago I had a medical emergency in the middle of the night.  I called 911 and it was a good 20 minutes before an officer got to my house.  I had lived in highly populated areas my whole life and it wasn’t until I moved to the sticks that I truly understood the need for a gun.  It’s scary being out here in the middle of nowhere.  If I screamed no one would hear me.  And a cop once told me that this is the exact thing that makes my house an attractive target.

 

7 hours ago, Bottomfeeder Sports said:

Let me be honest.  When you posted this I figured that this was silly.   That there was almost no crime in such places to worry about.   Then I Googled and learned that apparently the violent crime rates are higher in rural than urban America.  And while it is going down everywhere else (at least in aggregate) it is going up in rural America.    Stay safe!

Just curious where you looked and found this.  I see that BS said "violent crime" which is all encompassing.   I looked at the FBI site under burglary, assuming that's was ek was worried about, and that was down overall 50% in the last decade, but didn't have a urban/rural breakdown.  

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8 hours ago, ekbeats said:

Too far from responders.  About 4 years ago I had a medical emergency in the middle of the night.  I called 911 and it was a good 20 minutes before an officer got to my house.  I had lived in highly populated areas my whole life and it wasn’t until I moved to the sticks that I truly understood the need for a gun.  It’s scary being out here in the middle of nowhere.  If I screamed no one would hear me.  And a cop once told me that this is the exact thing that makes my house an attractive target.

Do you have any dogs? That would be my first line of defense if I lived in the boonies. I once had 4 mid-sized dogs in a safe neighborhood and was worried about what Princess and my other dogs would do to someone who broke in.

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10 hours ago, KarmaPolice said:

I never understand these types of arguments and examples.   I don't even get the connection you are trying to make.   Just because 2 things might cause a similar # of deaths they need to get equal exposure in the news (nevermind that one is a natural occurance).    Are you annoyed that we don't have 600x the # of articles about the causes of heart disease over the exposure a mass shooting might get?

He’s just trying to say that because nature has killed people, it’s totally fair to compare it to something completely different where innocent people are dying for no reason and make a false equivalence because it suits him and allows him to completely dismiss any common sense discourse to keep assault rifles from being for public consumption. 
 

He did say he lives in a rural area, so I’m sure he threw 30 bullets into Bambi that one time to stay alive. 

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7 hours ago, tonydead said:

 

Speculation below:

I'm guessing this guy didn't wait for backup, for SWAT to arrive. The video shows a guy in handcuffs, wounded and bleeding.  He took on fire away from other possible victims. May have stopped him.  Cant put a price on guys like this. First responders and police departments should be fully funded. 

I agree on this, and this guy is likely a gosh darn ####### HERO.

But just want to point out you calling others out for speculating on the shooters motives, but here you are speculating on this officers motives. We all get to speculate in situations like this for it takes time for the truth to come out

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12 minutes ago, bigmarc27 said:

He’s just trying to say that because nature has killed people, it’s totally fair to compare it to something completely different where innocent people are dying for no reason and make a false equivalence because it suits him and allows him to completely dismiss any common sense discourse to keep assault rifles from being for public consumption. 
 

He did say he lives in a rural area, so I’m sure he threw 30 bullets into Bambi that one time to stay alive. 

Yeah not at all what I was saying but good try.  I was commenting on how people mistakenly say that mass shootings are common occurrences. The numbers don’t support that notion. It’s a non-data driven emotional reaction, kind of like your posts.

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5 minutes ago, ekbeats said:

I was commenting on how people mistakenly say that mass shootings are common occurrences.

They are common here in the US if you compare them to occurences elsewhere in the world. They aren't if you compare them to lightning strikes.

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16 minutes ago, the moops said:

They are common here in the US if you compare them to occurences elsewhere in the world. They aren't if you compare them to lightning strikes.

Also worth noting that if you look at the Washington Post link that guy sent over earlier in the thread, you’ll see the last 5 years have a much higher concentration of mass shootings than any other 5 year span. In the span of 1966-1970, there were only 6 total mass shootings according to that link. In 2020 alone (which looks to be a good year going off recent standards), there were 5 and that was the lowest number since 2016.
 

So sure, if you want to go all the way back to 60’s and 70’s where there were only 1 or 2 mass shootings a year (according to the definition that they’re using), you can skew the data to make it not look as bad but you’d really have to have your head in the sand to pretend that the number of mass shootings that have happened over the last decade or so is not a big deal.

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9 minutes ago, the moops said:

I agree on this, and this guy is likely a gosh darn ####### HERO.

But just want to point out you calling others out for speculating on the shooters motives, but here you are speculating on this officers motives. We all get to speculate in situations like this for it takes time for the truth to come out

What?  

Claiming witnesses or news outlets are saying something when they are not isnt speculation, it's a form of deception. 

Even if it was speculation, if you speculate something stupid and politically driven expect to get called out on it. 

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1 minute ago, tonydead said:

What?  

Claiming witnesses or news outlets are saying something when they are not isnt speculation, it's a form of deception. 

Even if it was speculation, if you speculate something stupid and politically driven expect to get called out on it. 

LOL reminds me of someone who used to hold office. 

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11 minutes ago, Summer Wheat said:

Will Biden and Harris go to Colorado now to speak to the community?

Hadn't they already planned to go to Atlanta before the shootings?

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9 hours ago, ekbeats said:

I understand your point and I go back and forth on it myself.  The part of me that wants an AR-15 is the part that believes in the 2A protection against government tyranny or civil war.  I never in my life imagined thinking that was remotely possible, but the last 4 years have made me realize it’s not completely unreasonable that such a thing could happen in this country.  But to be honest I don’t feel that strongly about it.

If you want agun to protect your house, buy a 12 gauge.

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One guy blows up a building with a fertilizer bomb, we make it harder to get fertilizer in mass quantities. Meth heads use over the counter meds to make meth, we make it harder to buy those medications. People shoot up a school, concert, club, supermarket? Crickets. 

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3 hours ago, Opie said:

Instead of trying to force your beliefs on everyone else, you should adopt the bolded thinking in just about everything...including my choice of weapons.....try it.

I choose to own a handgun to protect my family.

I choose to own an M4 to protect my handgun.
(and yes...it is a hill to die on)

1. Not on issues of public safety. 
2. I have no problem with you owning a handgun. I have no problem with you wanting to protect your family. 
3. You need an M4 to protect your handgun? Wouldn’t a safe be a better purchase? 
4. A hill to die on? Really? My idea at the moment is that we should ban all AR-15s (and AR-15 type weapons) amd institute voluntary buybacks on those already in circulation. Will this cause you to make a rebellious live or die stand against the government? 

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4 minutes ago, Snorkelson said:

One guy blows up a building with a fertilizer bomb, we make it harder to get fertilizer in mass quantities. Meth heads use over the counter meds to make meth, we make it harder to buy those medications. People shoot up a school, concert, club, supermarket? Crickets. 

I get what you are saying, but on the flip side there's not an Amendment addressing fertilizer and cold meds.  

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3 hours ago, Opie said:

There were people just like you at Concord....I'm sure.
I'm am also sure that in the case of government tyranny....people like you will fall right in line.

God save the King!

I don’t think there were any people at Concord arguing about AR-15s. 

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