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did you find it interesting ?Yenrub said:Thanks for the info
that handguns were used so much ? how people acquired their guns ?
did you find it interesting ?Yenrub said:Thanks for the info
A Russian MP says the weapon used was a semi-automatic shotgun - a type popular among hunters. Reports say Galyaviev had a license for it.-fish- said:school shooting in Russia yesterday. new gun control measures ordered today.
more lies.A Russian MP says the weapon used was a semi-automatic shotgun - a type popular among hunters. Reports say Galyaviev had a license for it.
The same type of gun was used by a teenager, who killed 20 people at a technical college in the city of Kerch in Russian-annexed Crimea in 2018, then shot himself.
Thank you for proving the progressive gun control agenda .... just as I've said .... Govt comes for semi-auto rifles, then semi-auto handguns then - semi-auto shotguns. the "bans" in Russia didn't stop people from murdering, they simply pushed people to use different weapons
That's a massive failure to address the real problem - typical and sad
Not particularlydid you find it interesting ?
that handguns were used so much ? how people acquired their guns ?
https://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-57079367more lies.
anyway, true facts: new gun control law is that in addition to psychological evaluation before purchasing certain guns gun owners would be limited to first purchasing a smooth-bore shotgun and would need to safely own it for a period of time before purchasing another shotgun or rifle.
Not particularly
Both of you: When you quote something, please add a link.more lies.
anyway, true facts: new gun control law is that in addition to psychological evaluation before purchasing certain guns gun owners would be limited to first purchasing a smooth-bore shotgun and would need to safely own it for a period of time before purchasing another shotgun or rifle.
I can't speak for fish or anyone else but my guess is that most people know that guns are used in most of the mass killings. I'm pretty sure you won't find many similar articles for different tools.most people have no idea handguns are the primary guns uses in mass killings and most believe the anti-gun spuke that Democrats say about "gunshow loopholes" and "assault weapons" and how these wacko get their guns
I bet -fish- didn't even click the link
Makes me think of the video I cannot find, the one of what an mass shooting in the office would look like if the shooter was using a colonial days rifle.I can't speak for fish or anyone else but my guess is that most people know that guns are used in most of the mass killings. I'm pretty sure you won't find many similar articles for different tools.most people have no idea handguns are the primary guns uses in mass killings and most believe the anti-gun spuke that Democrats say about "gunshow loopholes" and "assault weapons" and how these wacko get their guns
I bet -fish- didn't even click the link
“Where did they get the hammer? A comprehensive look at Colorado’s history of public hammer violence”
“Where did they get the golf club? A comprehensive look at Colorado’s history of public golf club violence”
Unfortunately, I can't link to SC's unsupported falsehoods. He makes up generalities about liberals banning guns and the results of those imaginary actions. When someone just makes something up out of whole cloth, it is a lie. There is no other way to describe it. He can't link to facts because he's making things up out of his perception of "liberal gun grabs" that have never happened. I can't prove a negative as to these false generalities. All I can do is point out the fact that it's false. You'll note that in addition to my correction of his lie, I posted the actual fact of what the Russian action was.Both of you: When you quote something, please add a link.
When you disagree, don't just call the other person a liar. Use links to back up what you're saying.
Thanks.
actually there are breakdowns in weapons used in most murdersI can't speak for fish or anyone else but my guess is that most people know that guns are used in most of the mass killings. I'm pretty sure you won't find many similar articles for different tools.
“Where did they get the hammer? A comprehensive look at Colorado’s history of public hammer violence”
“Where did they get the golf club? A comprehensive look at Colorado’s history of public golf club violence”
I link all the time to support my ideas and viewsBoth of you: When you quote something, please add a link.
When you disagree, don't just call the other person a liar. Use links to back up what you're saying.
Thanks.
now, -fish- responded with "Anyway, true facts: new gun control law is that in addition to psychological evaluation before purchasing certain guns gun owners would be limited to first purchasing a smooth-bore shotgun and would need to safely own it for a period of time before purchasing another shotgun or rifle."A Russian MP says the weapon used was a semi-automatic shotgun - a type popular among hunters. Reports say Galyaviev had a licence for it.
School shootings are relatively rare in Russia, partly because there are strict gun ownership regulations
you really think that's what Joe Bryant is doing ?Your site, Joe. You want people to be able to lie about people getting murdered, so be it. I'll just put SC back on ignore.
That's not at all what I asked people to do. And honestly kind of discouraging you'd say that's what I want.Your site, Joe. You want people to be able to lie about people getting murdered, so be it. I'll just put SC back on ignore.
I have been hearing some version of “the democrats are going to take our guns away” for my whole life (I’m in my 50’s), typically during the presidential election cycles. I don’t recall taking guns away ever coming to fruition. It’s not something that I worry about, it’s just a phrase used to get people to vote for one party and not the other.actually there are breakdowns in weapons used in most murders
that's why you'll see people saying more people are beaten to death/strangled every year than are killed with semi-auto rifles - its true
and, this is my point ..... take away fully auto and people use semi-auto, take away semi-auto and people use revolvers', take away revolvers and people use single shot, take away single shot and people use knives ............. yet time and again, Democrats swear they'll not take hunting weapons right ?
-fish- is very anti-gun, and he posted just above the process that'll be used in Russia now ................ they're going to try and take people hunting weapons, and that slippery slope is what we've talked about for dozens of pages and people don't think its real :(
It has never happened.I have been hearing some version of “the democrats are going to take our guns away” for my whole life (I’m in my 50’s), typically during the presidential election cycles. I don’t recall taking guns away ever coming to fruition. It’s not something that I worry about, it’s just a phrase used to get people to vote for one party and not the other.
Many societies have. We're stuck with a questionable interpretation of the second amendment that places the right to gun ownership over human life. Plus due to nearly unrestricted lobbying and horrible campaign finance laws, we can't pass basic laws that even a supermajority of gun owners want, like red flag laws or expanded background checks.Why can't we as a society (and hence our elected officials) simply decide that enough is enough and most guns don't have a place in modern society?
Because as a modern society there is more than just you and your feelings to consider. Guns do have a place.Why can't we as a society (and hence our elected officials) simply decide that enough is enough and most guns don't have a place in modern society?
Seems pretty straightforward to me: https://youtu.be/RpeUznIhgLU?t=12Many societies have. We're stuck with a questionable interpretation of the second amendment that places the right to gun ownership over human life. Plus due to nearly unrestricted lobbying and horrible campaign finance laws, we can't pass basic laws that even a supermajority of gun owners want, like red flag laws or expanded background checks.
You're right. We should consider all the other negative effects of guns in society like murder and suicide rates.Because as a modern society there is more than just you and your feelings to consider. Guns do have a place.
Suicide rates? Sure. Then we need to take a long hard look at razor blades, pharmaceuticals, rope and bridges to see if they should be part of a modern society too.You're right. We should consider all the other negative effects of guns in society like murder and suicide rates.
About 75% of murders and 50% of suicides are by firearm. We can look at the other means, sure, but let's take a pareto approach and go after the biggest contribution first, eh?Suicide rates? Sure. Then we need to take a long hard look at razor blades, pharmaceuticals, rope and bridges to see if they should be part of a modern society too.
Let's look at all weapons used in murders too.![]()
I love how you always frame this as though even if current proposals go through you will have to hunt with your bare hands or something. You will still have guns to hunt, just maybe not the ones you exactly want.actually there are breakdowns in weapons used in most murders
that's why you'll see people saying more people are beaten to death/strangled every year than are killed with semi-auto rifles - its true
and, this is my point ..... take away fully auto and people use semi-auto, take away semi-auto and people use revolvers', take away revolvers and people use single shot, take away single shot and people use knives ............. yet time and again, Democrats swear they'll not take hunting weapons right ?
-fish- is very anti-gun, and he posted just above the process that'll be used in Russia now ................ they're going to try and take people hunting weapons, and that slippery slope is what we've talked about for dozens of pages and people don't think its real :(
One last time. Please drop it.but he just cant help himself about saying things that are blantanly untrue. there has never been a gun ban that has included confiscation. so his son's turkey gun is safe.
what he's claiming about the new regulations in russia in response to the most recent school shooting is 100% false. but so are almost all of his posts.
I only know I'm so sick of this. Please drop the calling people liars or the "almost all of his posts are 100% false" stuff.You want people to be able to lie about people getting murdered, so be it.
literally take as in confiscations - not often, its done on red flag moves and of course, the fully auto military weapons were removed decades agoI have been hearing some version of “the democrats are going to take our guns away” for my whole life (I’m in my 50’s), typically during the presidential election cycles. I don’t recall taking guns away ever coming to fruition. It’s not something that I worry about, it’s just a phrase used to get people to vote for one party and not the other.
this is what gun control people say - I mean the USA could ban every gun and only allow flintlock muzzleloaders and still say " you will have guns to hunt with, just maybe not the ones you exactly want"I love how you always frame this as though even if current proposals go through you will have to hunt with your bare hands or something. You will still have guns to hunt, just maybe not the ones you exactly want.
because of the way they wrote the above, many sporting shoguns would be illegal in CAA semiautomatic shotgun that has both a folding or telescoping stock, and a pistol grip that protrudes conspicuously beneath the action of the weapon, thumbhole stock, or vertical handgrip;
what are "most guns" to you ?Why can't we as a society (and hence our elected officials) simply decide that enough is enough and most guns don't have a place in modern society?
Lets not: https://www.sprc.org/scope/means-suicideSuicide rates? Sure. Then we need to take a long hard look at razor blades, pharmaceuticals, rope and bridges to see if they should be part of a modern society too.You're right. We should consider all the other negative effects of guns in society like murder and suicide rates.
Let's look at all weapons used in murders too.![]()
I’ll speak specifically to your Chicago question because I know a little about gun ownership there (via relatives)literally take as in confiscations - not often, its done on red flag moves and of course, the fully auto military weapons were removed decades ago
but city laws absolutely ban citizens from owning certain guns - if not almost all guns
if I moved from Arkansas to Chicago tomorrow, I doubt any of my guns would be allowed there - do you consider than any kind of "taking away" ??
I remember giving up certain types of ammo (erroneously called cop killer bullets) .... bump stocks, silencers, age limits, background checks, now its the move on arm braces ... there is a long list of what gun owners have given
when reading the "assault" weapons bans .... you'll see that they cannot ban "assault" weapons because there are no such weapons. instead, they word these laws in such a way as to identify weapons that have certain traits and characteristics ...... like, if its semi-automatic, has a pistol grip and adjustable stock - it'll be banned
which is what I have by way of a 12 ga turkey hunting shotgun - in places "assault" weapons laws exists, my turkey hunting shotgun wouldn't be allowed
would you consider that a ban ?
Long guns of more than 4 or 5 rounds. All handguns unless directly used for employment (police, private security, ranchers, etc.) or for authorized sport shooting competitions. All firearm possession should require licensing, training, and period safety certification.what are "most guns" to you ?
its deeper than thatI’ll speak specifically to your Chicago question because I know a little about gun ownership there (via relatives)
Nothing stopping you from owning a gun and keeping it in your home. So if you want to move from Arkansas to Chicago feel free to take your guns with you if that is what you want to do. If you want to leave your new house with your gun(s) you will need a conceal carry permit.
There is a waiting period to purchase a new gun and I think you must be 21 to buy a new gun.
wowLong guns of more than 4 or 5 rounds. All handguns unless directly used for employment (police, private security, ranchers, etc.) or for authorized sport shooting competitions. All firearm possession should require licensing, training, and period safety certification.
FWIW, this is exactly the kind of posting I'm asking people to do.its deeper than that
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Chicago
Municipal Code of Chicago
CHAPTER 8-20 WEAPONS
https://codelibrary.amlegal.com/codes/chicago/latest/chicago_il/0-0-0-2485609
(5) A semiautomatic shotgun that has one or more of the following:
(A) a folding, telescoping or detachable stock;
(B) a handgun grip;
(C) a fixed magazine with the capacity to accept more than 5 rounds;
(D) a forward grip; or
(E) a grenade, flare or rocket launcher.
So again, my son has a 12 ga shotgun with a grip and a stock that matches "telescoping" above therefore, it would NOT be allowed in Chicago because according to their wordings, its an "assault weapon"
Do you agree ?
If your gun(s) fits their description and you aren't in the category below then you cannot own that gun in that city.its deeper than that
IL
Chicago
Municipal Code of Chicago
CHAPTER 8-20 WEAPONS
https://codelibrary.amlegal.com/codes/chicago/latest/chicago_il/0-0-0-2485609
(5) A semiautomatic shotgun that has one or more of the following:
(A) a folding, telescoping or detachable stock;
(B) a handgun grip;
(C) a fixed magazine with the capacity to accept more than 5 rounds;
(D) a forward grip; or
(E) a grenade, flare or rocket launcher.
So again, my son has a 12 ga shotgun with a grip and a stock that matches "telescoping" above therefore, it would NOT be allowed in Chicago because according to their wordings, its an "assault weapon"
Do you agree ?
This section shall not apply to corrections officers, members of the armed forces of the United States, or the organized militia of this or any other state, and peace officers, to the extent that any such person is otherwise authorized to acquire or possess assault weapons, and is acting within the scope of his duties, or to any person while engaged in the manufacturing, transportation or sale of assault weapons to people authorized to possess them under this section.
I never said it wasn't a ban. This is my opinion on how to make American society better. Get guns out of society.wow
from what you defined above, you would take almost every gun i have that I use for varmint hunting, small game hunting and large game hunting and self defense
you'd leave me I think with only a single shot 20 ga
that's not a ban to you ?
I think I found the videoMakes me think of the video I cannot find, the one of what an mass shooting in the office would look like if the shooter was using a colonial days rifle.
Yup - thats the one!!I think I found the videoMakes me think of the video I cannot find, the one of what an mass shooting in the office would look like if the shooter was using a colonial days rifle.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LORVfnFtcH0
If your gun(s) fits their description and you aren't in the category below then you cannot own that gun in that city.
Shootings and murders also rose this year. There were 706 shooting victims and 131 murders reported in the first three months of 2021, a steep rise from 2020, which saw 493 shooting victims and 98 murders over the same period.
Comparing March 2021 to March 2020 shows a similar increase. There were 298 shooting victims and 42 murders in March 2021, while there were 175 shooting victims and 28 murders in March 2020, according to the statistics.
Every metric for shootings and murders was higher in 2021 than in any of the years included in CPD’s report, which contained numbers going back to 2018.
Many cities suffer from violent crimes/murders and I have said a thousand times, its not the guns that's the problems, its not the weapons.
https://www.npr.org/2021/01/06/953254623/massive-1-year-rise-in-homicide-rates-collided-with-the-pandemic-in-2020
At the end of 2020, Chicago police reported more than 750 murders, a jump of more than 50% compared with 2019. By mid-December, Los Angeles saw a 30% increase over the previous year with 322 homicides. There were 437 homicides in New York City by Dec. 20, nearly 40% more than the previous year.
My point is, all that gun control and banning of certain weapons and its resulted in what? We could go the way of banning just about every semi-auto and people would kill people with revolvers' and illegal guns. We could try and ban those, and people would murder with knives and bats and illegal weapons. trying to take away a criminals choice of weapon is absolute insanity to me especially when you're disarming legal law abiding citizens in the process
I've posted over and over instances of people using guns to stop crimes - and mostly those posts get ignored. NOBODY wants to acknowledge or discuss just how much crime is stopped with civilians owning guns. why ?
Almost every state has concealed carry, many have it with no permit required. Our states that have that, including Arkansas, has not seen a wild wild west scenario like we were told we'd see.
1) October 1, 1997 Pearl High School.
2) January 16, 2002 Appalachian School of Law.
3) July 25, 2014 “Gun Free” Mercy Fitzgerald Hospital where a patient at a psychiatric clinic killed his case worker at point blank range and then turned his gun on his doctor, Dr. Lee Silverman, striking him several times, before Dr. Silverman drew his own concealed handgun and pumped three rounds into the goblin.
4) December 9, 2007 New Life Church Shooting, Colorado Springs, Colorado.
5) July 7, 1999 National Shooting Club Santa Clara, California
6) December 17, 1991, Shoney’s Family Restaurant Anniston, Alabama. (Side-note: Happened just 2 months after the “Gun Free” Luby’s Massacre.)
7) July 13, 2009, at the Golden Food Market Shooting Richmond, Virginia
8 ) Aug 03, 2012 Peach House RV Shooting, Early, Texas
9) College Park, GA, May 4, 2009.
10) May 27th, 2010 AT&T store New York Mills, New York.
11) February 12, 2007 Trolley Square Shooting, Salt Lake City, Utah.
12) 25 May, 2008 Players Bar and Grill, Winnemucca NV Shooting.
13) April 24, 2012 Destiny Christian Center Shooting.
14) June 26th 2016 Playoffz nightclub Lyman, SC
The above are examples of concealed weapons people stopping more murders by criminals - I'm certain there are many many more and I doubt anyone had heard of any of the above.
The 2nd amendment says we have the right to bear arms. The Chicago law does not prevent us from bearing arms.thank you - its a banned gun then in Chicago, right ?
literally just a 12 ga shotgun used for turkey hunting - banned in Chicago because since there are no "assault weapons" they had to create a broad definition that also included hunting guns, the one thing said over and over they're not going to do (pass legislation towards people's hunting guns)
if you're a non-hunter or non-gun owner, it doesn't affect you but for the people who own guns and hunt and fish, its really really important because we're being targeted and the same guns on those lists are what we use to hunt with, sport shooting with and self defense with and those laws have meant what in Chicago (gun/murders) ?
https://chicago.suntimes.com/crime/2021/4/1/22361767/chicago-police-department-crime-statistics-march-2021
Many cities suffer from violent crimes/murders and I have said a thousand times, its not the guns that's the problems, its not the weapons.
https://www.npr.org/2021/01/06/953254623/massive-1-year-rise-in-homicide-rates-collided-with-the-pandemic-in-2020
At the end of 2020, Chicago police reported more than 750 murders, a jump of more than 50% compared with 2019. By mid-December, Los Angeles saw a 30% increase over the previous year with 322 homicides. There were 437 homicides in New York City by Dec. 20, nearly 40% more than the previous year.
My point is, all that gun control and banning of certain weapons and its resulted in what? We could go the way of banning just about every semi-auto and people would kill people with revolvers' and illegal guns. We could try and ban those, and people would murder with knives and bats and illegal weapons. trying to take away a criminals choice of weapon is absolute insanity to me especially when you're disarming legal law abiding citizens in the process
I've posted over and over instances of people using guns to stop crimes - and mostly those posts get ignored. NOBODY wants to acknowledge or discuss just how much crime is stopped with civilians owning guns. why ?
Almost every state has concealed carry, many have it with no permit required. Our states that have that, including Arkansas, has not seen a wild wild west scenario like we were told we'd see.
1) October 1, 1997 Pearl High School.
2) January 16, 2002 Appalachian School of Law.
3) July 25, 2014 “Gun Free” Mercy Fitzgerald Hospital where a patient at a psychiatric clinic killed his case worker at point blank range and then turned his gun on his doctor, Dr. Lee Silverman, striking him several times, before Dr. Silverman drew his own concealed handgun and pumped three rounds into the goblin.
4) December 9, 2007 New Life Church Shooting, Colorado Springs, Colorado.
5) July 7, 1999 National Shooting Club Santa Clara, California
6) December 17, 1991, Shoney’s Family Restaurant Anniston, Alabama. (Side-note: Happened just 2 months after the “Gun Free” Luby’s Massacre.)
7) July 13, 2009, at the Golden Food Market Shooting Richmond, Virginia
8 ) Aug 03, 2012 Peach House RV Shooting, Early, Texas
9) College Park, GA, May 4, 2009.
10) May 27th, 2010 AT&T store New York Mills, New York.
11) February 12, 2007 Trolley Square Shooting, Salt Lake City, Utah.
12) 25 May, 2008 Players Bar and Grill, Winnemucca NV Shooting.
13) April 24, 2012 Destiny Christian Center Shooting.
14) June 26th 2016 Playoffz nightclub Lyman, SC
The above are examples of concealed weapons people stopping more murders by criminals - I'm certain there are many many more and I doubt anyone had heard of any of the above.
Center for American Progress? What? That's like getting the info directly from the DNC website.lets see a link to the number of crimes stopped by a "good guy with a gun" and not to Kleck, who admits he's wrong, or John Lott, whose numbers have been debunked.
then compare that with the number of times guns are stolen from "good guys with a gun" or how often gun ownership results in a shooting of the gun owner or a member of their household.
"good guy with a gun" is a myth and a favorite NRA talking point.
Since 1997 when 14 jurisdictions adopted concealed carry laws, gun crimes went up in every one of those states.
facts, not anecdotes: https://www.americanprogress.org/issues/guns-crime/reports/2019/04/24/468951/guns-lies-fear/
the article has citations to each study and statistic. it doesn't matter what site hosts the article. the facts are what they are.Center for American Progress? What? That's like getting the info directly from the DNC website.
Sure, I'll read it. But citing "facts" from the Center for American Progress website is like citing "facts" from DJT.the article has citations to each study and statistic. it doesn't matter what site hosts the article. the facts are what they are.
Fair feedback: https://mediabiasfactcheck.com/center-for-american-progress/Sure, I'll read it. But citing "facts" from the Center for American Progress website is like citing "facts" from DJT.the article has citations to each study and statistic. it doesn't matter what site hosts the article. the facts are what they are.