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In theory is it basically a wash if yeah, it doesn't raise it as much, but makes it so that companies at least have to pay some? I would think the 15% is higher than some of the companies are getting away with without a tax floor.
Both sides basically oppose what the other does. This will be the true test, comes down to the add-ons.
Positions like the Senate Parliamentarian, the GSA Administrator who "signs off" of the election winner, need to be eliminated.
It’s not just about the Republicans it’s about getting Manchin and Sinema.
Yes, these two also need to be appeased in their power plays because, well, they just do! Good party they've got there.
Law or Senate rules?
If Manchin and Sinema see good faith efforts for bipartisanship by Biden and the Republicans still refuse to cooperate (much like the Jan 6 Commission) then they may be more willing to move on filibuster reform. Manchin is very much in favor of a commission and the Dems gave the Republicans just about everything they asked for and still held it up.
Agreed. With Manchin, totally get it. If it wasn't him in there it would very likely be a Republican. Sinema? She is betraying her electorate.
We saw how well those "good faith efforts" work when they tried to get Trump with impeachment. No thanks.
Isn't this a direct result of Texas going it alone because it wanted to isolate itself from federal regulation (partly because they would have had to spend billions upgrading their power grid)? The federal government can't fix what's wrong with Texas.
A deal has been reached. Thank God. This nation is falling apart and we've had too many reminders the last couple of years in the form of cyber attacks just how vulnerable our critical facilities are.
Pelosi too. I wonder if Tim will have any criticism for them the way he always does for the GOP when he thinks they're obstructing.
Yep. This is 1,000% on the Democrats. There is absolutely nothing wrong with that bill that it shouldn't be passed on its own merits. It's the closest thing to a functioning government we've seen in 25 years.
Going right to retirement aged people, grandparents, great grandparents and showing the impacts was pivotal in the 2020 election cycle. They can do it again here if they choose. It's beyond stupid that they don't seem able to capitalize on the political gift being given them. They don't even have to unwrap it.
I think this is a moot point because it’s going to get done. If it fails, then I’ll offer an opinion as to why. But I don’t think it will.Stoneworker said:
Biden has the last move so he's covered. It's the Repubs who have no leverage. Once they see the 800 gazillion dollar reconciliation bill from the Progressives the 11 GOP moderates will be forced into a corner. Either be viewed as enablers of socialism or withdraw support. So they will withdraw support. And since they have to blink first Biden will pin the blame on them when it's really Biden who is the two-faced liar.
If Republicans walk away from a deal they negotiated, and which most of the Republican base agrees with, because later on the Democrats will pass other stuff on their own, Republicans will lose that public opinion war, badly. And they know it.
Strongly disagree on all counts. Anyone who's done any number of transactions knows what just happened. It's called a "re-trade." The minute Biden tied the two together it gave the GOP members a legitimate and honorable exit to the transaction. Public intuitively knows this.
As you already know, this was always the case. It's always been the case if they are going to pass via reconciliation, there's no real benefit to negotiating with any GOP senators. Unless Manchin or Sinema plan on not going on with the reconciliation part, there's not a whole lot that can change that. The D's have control of the government so it's really in their court. I admit I don't get the gambit though on Biden's part. It seems like this sets up well for the GOP candidates to run on an overreach by D's if they do reconciliation after this negotiation.
I think Biden hopes more people are like Tim and believe the GOP will have egg on their face when they walk away. The whole charade was way too choreographed and transparent for that IMO.
Stoneworker said:
A perfect example of the state of American politics today. Far more concerned with the other team not getting a win then they care about getting a win for themselves (god forbid the American people actually get one).The Commish said:Dems can't get out of their own way. Had posted this in the other thread on this topic and it's just as baffling now as it was a couple days ago.
Going right to retirement aged people, grandparents, great grandparents and showing the impacts was pivotal in the 2020 election cycle. They can do it again here if they choose. It's beyond stupid that they don't seem able to capitalize on the political gift being given them. They don't even have to unwrap it.
Amen.
100% of this is on us. We are the ones in power yet we vote teams first, brand name second and propaganda third. Voting for Self interest, actual policy (not the empty rhetoric) and accountability are completely non-existent. We are the problem not them.
Very true, the politicians are the ones we are sending. Says a lot about what a dire state we are in as a society.
Thought I was reading an article about the difference in voting populace from now to even 20 or so years ago. Basically people used to vote across party a lot more not too long ago, and were more unpredictable as far as their vote vs. their stances on policies. Now we are way more on teams and more likely to agree 100% along those party lines. Hell we even managed to turn a pandemic political FFS.
